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Just back on the list - could some kind soul take a look at 9 Queen Street for me between 1880 & 2001 on any of the censuses available.
I am trying to track down my Great Grandfather Charles David Cruse who may have been related to the Cruse's at the above address - his father was Francis Cruse a Publican. Charles was 30 years old in 1905 according to his marriage certificate. He may well have been out of the country during the census period. He later became Workhouse Master at Westbury upon Severn near Gloucester.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Lance Serdiville Cruse
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Does anyone know where I would find the death cert for a sailor who died during World War 1?
I have found his burial information on the Commonwealth Graves site, he was born in Chester and his wife was living in Chester at the time of his death, The death is not listed on the Chester BMD site. Any ideas where to look ??
Thanks in advance for your help
In New Jersey
ALL OUR MILKY YESTERDAYS: AND SOME CHESTER NAMES
"Our ancestors lives? This is making me feel very old -- we still have our
milk delivered here in north Norfolk. ... "
So, too, is our milk delivered on the White Highlands of Surrey. But in
my lifetime in Chester, there were changes not so far mentioned in this
thread. In reverse order:
Top colours: Around about 1965 a bit of a fast one was pulled on the
Chester public. Before then it wasn't Silver = pasteurised, Red
= homogenised, Green = unpasteurised (and subject to suppression by
the farmers' friends in MAFF/DEFRA) and Gold = Jersey/Guernsey.
Red meant Tuberculin Tested (and a higher price). But, once the whole
UK herd was officially TT, Red and Silver were the same thing and a
price cut threatened. So, unannounced, the dairies delivered
homogenised milk with a red top at the higher price. We only noticed
when I heard about it in Oxford, came home to Chester and found that
Mr JAMES, our milkman in Hoole, had had to do the same to us. (Not
his fault - MAFF and dairy policy!!)
Non-metal tops: Before the foil tops came in, in about 1952/3 I think,
our milk was delivered in bottles with inserted stiff waxed cardf tops.
As kids, we collected those tops and played "Milk Bottle Tops" against
walls in the playground (at Hoole and Newton Primary School - any other
listers there then?). One top was propped up against the wall; in turns we
flicked a top at it from 1st and middle fingers; and the first to knock
the target top over scooped the pool of failed shots. Tin foil killed the
Milk in the jug: Earlier still, at my grandparents in Boughton, the milk
delivered by horse and cart, in the churn by "Old SHORTRIDGE". Mr
Shortridge would dip the churn and measur our milk out into a jug; my
aunt then put a beaded cover over it to keep the flies out; and put it on
a thick, cool slate slab in the back kitchen (a technical term usually
translated down South here as "scullery" - but really a cross between
a larder and work room accessible only via the kitchen. I think that
Shortridge was a local independent dairyman, an officially anathematised
trade. But I associate him - probably wrongly as these are childhood
memories - with the Boughton area market gardens which supplied
Chester (e.g. Walter and Cicely PEMBERTON and their stall in the long-
ago demolished market).
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Neil and Sarah Jackson............. Coulsdon, UK
* * * * * * *
Hear our new Christmas CD -
see concert dates at St Martin in the Fields
Come and hear us live!
"Well, I'll go to the foot of our stairs" is an expression shock or surprise,
as I know it.
My grandma used the phrase, and she was a Broad-Lancashire speaking woman, so
it was pronounced "...go t' foot of our stairs". Hope this helps.
* ACRES, DICKINSON, HEYES, HOLDEN, MURRAY, QUINN, SALTHOUSE, WALMSLEY &
WILD, all in Lancashire.
* TURNER in Lancashire & USA.
* SIMCOE in Cheshire.
* TANSEY in Cheshire & Lancashire.
I saw a posting from someone researching the name PLUM, poss. June Harrison.
I have a fact sheet from Liverpool Record office.
Under the title WHAT RECORDS DO WE HOLD.
It says FAMILY and ESTATE. PLUMBE-- Tempest deeds and papers 13th -19th centuries.
now I do not know if you want to follow this up, but if you do the contact is.
0151-233-5817. or Email Recoffice.central.library(a)liverpool.gov.uk
Hope this helps.
>Website for following names in Cork (a limerick):...
>No Fhinnettia though!!
There was a young girl called Fhinnettia
Who's favourite flower was a poinsettia
She was sometimes known as Phinetta
But whatever it was, I think it's so sad
Because no one could find our Finetta
Trevor [in Sussex, UK]
From: jane rea [mailto:email@example.com]
Sent: 28 February 2002 18:02
Subject: [CHS] Websites
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The Cheshire List subscriptions, archives, etc.
Hello John, Terry, Roy and Penny -
Thanks to all of you for each of your explanations of this expletive.
I know that its about right and will leave it on record of one of the family
expressions, that we don`t hear much of now. I don`t like the ones they
use now. Joyce
hope you don't mind me asking this ,but.....
the two BARBARA TERRACE are getting each others mails.
our husbands are cousins and they each chose a Barbara for a bride.
we always forward on to each other but can we ask you to have a closer look before you reply.
to make sure we get our OWN mail please.
thank you .
Barbara Terrace Northwich.
Ian - do you know if there is any interest in Staffordshire ? When I go to
Leek the registrar goes to her computer and does a quick look at her index -
I believe she has all hers on computer.
Would it be proper if you offered to host her index ??
I dont know, but it would help us on t'other side of the border to give
them a bit of a kick start
you could try writing to the LANDICAN CEMETERY OFFICE
Arrowe Park road
they have Burials from 1934 onwards. of most denominations.
and I am sure someone will be happy to help you, if you supply full name and
date of death.
you could ask in your letter for the addresses of other likely places where
they may be buried, in Wirral.
hope you gain the information and then you can write to southport to apply
for the Death Certificates.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Farrall" <jfarrall(a)cox.rr.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 2:04 AM
Subject: [CHS] Birkenhead Obituaries - 1950's
> Hi All,
> I am trying to gather information on two great aunts - Susan and Mary
FARRALL. Susan was the oldest sibling in the family of eight and was born
c. 1873 in Bebington (according to the 1881 census). No one knows when or
where Mary was born. Since Susan's birth is unavailable in St Catherine's
Index or any other index, I am left to seek out the death records or the
obituaries for her and sister Mary. Susan corresponded with my parents,
aunts, and uncles until 1954. She lived at 3, Barnard Road, Oxton -
Birkenhead from the turn of the century until her death. Her last letter,
dated 17 July 1954, lamented the fact that her younger sister Mary Farrall
died of a heart attack on 12 January 1954. I am attempting to obtain a
death certificate for her sister Mary based on that date. As for Susan, no
one knows when she died, but it had to been after 1954. I have written the
church that Susan attended - St. Saviour's - and received a
"never-heard-of-her" letter in response. !
> This only leaves the possibility of obituaries being reported in local
Birkenhead newspapers. Any ideas as to where I should search or write? I
value your input and recommendations.
> Thanks and regards,
> John Farrall
> Burke, Virginia
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> Cheshire Surnames Interest Directory:
I'm pleased to report that the Society's web pages are back on-line,
but using a temporary address for a day or two:
The 'www.fhsc.org.uk' address should be reactivated within 24 hours.
Until then I can't update the site, so please ignore the banner for
last Saturday's Northwich Fair :-)
The Family History Society of Cheshire
Our Pownall Family History
James Pownall (1) age 28 married Mary Davies age 26 on 31st August 1850 at St Michael's Church, Macclesfield. His occupation was a Cotton Spinner. James' father John Pownall was a Cotton Spinner. Mary's father John Davies was a Cotton Worker.
>From the 1851 census I have
Cuckstoolpit Hill, St.Paul's area, Macclesfield
James Pownall head 30 Cotton Spinner born Rainow, Macclesfield
Mary " wife 27 Cotton Worker born Wigan, Lancashire
James(2) " son 4 months born Macclesfield
James(2) born 24th November 1850 at Cuckstoolpit Hill.
I have found a Mary Davis on the IGI born in Wigan who was baptised on 9th May 1824, father John, mother Elizabeth. (apart from Davis as opposed to Davies all other details fit in)
James(1) and Mary also had a daughter Martha on 3rd March 1861. James' occupation is now down as a Hawker. They lived in Eastgate, Macclesfield.
On the 1881 Census
10 Goodwin Green,
James Pownall head W 60 Macclesfield. Occ. Glass Blower
Martha Pownall daur U 20 " Occ. Silk Piecer
I don't know when Mary Pownall died but it must have been between Martha's birth in 1861 and 1881,
I think Martha married Henry Byrne at Prestbury, St Peter in 1882. (see later).
James Pownall (2) age 21 yrs married Hannah Royle age 20 yrs on 7th December 1870 at St Michaels Parish Ch., Macclesfield. His occupation was Glass Blower and their address was given as just Macclesfield. James (1) was still a Hawker.
James and Hannah had two children -
Mary born 3rd December 1872 at 138 Waters Green, Macclesfield. James(2) was down as a Cotton Factory Operative.
John born 28th March 1880 at 54 Pickford Street, Macclesfield. James (2)was now down as a Fishmonger.
I find it interesting to note the changes in occupation and the number of address changes between 1870 and 1880.
On the 1881 Census -
54 Pickford Street, Macclesfield
Ann Royle head W 60 Occ. Charwoman born Macclesfield
Ann (Hannah) Pownall M 30 Occ Silk Piecer born "
Mary Pownall Grand Daur 8 born "
John Pownall Grandson 1 born "
No 3 Court King Street No 2, Macclesfield
James (2) Pownall M 30 Occ. Fishmonger
I have nothing more on this marriage except more address and occupation changes.
James (2) Pownall . Widower Marriage 2. 7th April 1896 to Mary Elizabeth Eastwood age 30 yrs at The Register Office, Macclesfield. They were both living at 1 Hawthorn Street, Macclesfield. James occupation is now Master Glass Blower and his father James (1) is the Fish Dealer.
Mary Elizabeth Eastwood 's father was John Eastwood, deceased, a Licenced Victualler.
James (2) amd Mary Elizabeth had three children -
Ernest born 26th November 1896 at 1 Hawthorn Street, Macclesfield. His father registered the birth and gave his occupation as Fish Dealer.
Lily born 20th January 1898 at 1 Hawthorn Street. Her mother registered the birth and gave her address as 43 Commercial Road, Macclesfield. Her father's occupation is given here as a Glass Blower.
Robert born 29th December 1902 at 2 Bunkers Hill, Macclesfield. His father registered the birth and his occupation here is given as Master Glass Blower.
Even more problems with addresses and especially occupations.
I don't know when Mary Elizabeth died.
Ernest Pownall married a Maud or Maude - date not known, place probably Wilmslow. They lived at Mount Pleasant in Wilmslow and had one daughter Jean born about 1933. Ernest was killed in an accident at work when a dumper truck turned over and crushed him. The accident happened one Eastertime between 1940 and 1950, probably at Alderley. I don't know when Maud died or anything about Jean since 1954. I have tried in vain to find out about Ernest's accident and his death with no luck as yet.
Lily Pownall married Joseph Knight in 1929 at St. Peter's, Prestbury. They lived for many years in Shaw Street, Macclesfield where their daughter Brenda was born. Brenda was an extremely talented dancer with Jean Patterson's Dance School in Macclesfield. I think she married and went to live in Glasgow.The family later moved to Blackshaw Street, Macclesfield. I do not know when Lily or Joseph died.
MY FATHER- ROBERT POWNALL married LUCY AMELIA NOCK on 17th October 1931 at St Michael's Church, North Rode. He was 29, she was 24. Robert's father James (2) was still alive I think and he was down as a Glassblower. My mother's father is not named.
Robert and Lucy had a daughter, Jean in 1933, born at Higher Works, Bosley but died at only three days old.
I, CYNTHIA POWNALL was born 10th September 1935 at Higher Works, Bosley and my brother CHRISTOPHER ROBERT POWNALL was born 29th December 1943 at 3 Penn Bridge, Bosley.
I married Cyril John Edwards on 23rd January 1954 at St. Mary's Church, Bosley and lived in Bosley until 1983, for many years at The Harrington Arms, Bosley. Then we went to the St Dunstan Inn, Langley for two years, then to Anglesey from 1985 to 1990, then to Kinmel Bay from 1990 to 1999. Cyril died in 1996 and in 1999 I decided to move to Cotteridge, South Birmingham to be nearer to my older son Kevin and his family. My younger son Gary lives in London.
There are a lot of unanswered questions in this short family history but one day I hope all will be resolved and also that I can go much further back with the Pownalls.
Back to the beginning - My starting point with James(1) was a birth in 1822 , in Macclesfield, father John Pownall, mother not named. I plumped for this one because of his age of 28yrs at marriage in 1850. But when the age started to differ I took another look and came up with this possibility James Pownall, 20th February, Over Alderley, Cheshire, father John Pownall, mother Jane. John and Jane were married 5th August 1818 in Prestbury, Cheshire. I think James was their only child. I know that James birth place in 1851 was given as Rainow but I have a great interest in him being born in Alderley.
When my father Robert and my uncle Ernest were small boys they were fostered out with a William Jackson and his family in Nether Alderley. My father used to tell me that he went to Nether Alderley School. What I would like to find is a marriage connection between a Pownall and a Jackson that would tie in.
There were five children in the Jackson family and I remember all of them as a small child when Jane Jackson had married Joseph Barber and they were living at Mottram Hall Farm.
I think that
Martha Pownall married Henry Byrne in 1882 and they had two children.
William born 13th August 1882 in Macclesfield.
James born 9th December 1888 in Macclesfield
I think that
William married Laura Annie Swain in 1902 at St Pauls, Macclesfield
James married Louisa Harvey on 3rd August 1912 in Macclesfield.
None of the above is proven yet.
Good day to all,
I have found the marriage cert of my grx3 uncle ROBERT AXON who married SOPHIA SIMISTER 22 Mar 1842. Robert also immigrated to the US in 1842 but without Sophia.
Could SKS please look-up the 1841 and 1851 census for Compstall and Stockport, Cheshire for ROBERT AXON (1841) and also TIMOTHY SIMISTER (1841 & 1851) and who was living with them.
I lose track of Sophia after the wedding and seems that Robert did also.
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Is it feasible to ask for a look up in the 1891 census for the Monks Coppenhall district of Crewe.
If it is could/would SKS look for Johnson BARKER ,
Age 46 occ cordwainer his wife Emily age 36 and the following children Ada 19,Albert 18, William 12 and Joseph 2. They were living at 31 Hope St. in 1889.
My Dad was from Salford, but I don't think I could put a lot of his sayings
on here, LOL. He did have one little joke that he used to say: "Were you in
the boat when the boat tipped over? NO, I was in the water!"
We always got a kick out of that.
Kathy (Porter) Wagner
Researching: PORTER, ROBERTS, DOLAN, MURPHY, MILLS, WYNN, RIMMER, COWBURN,
DENNON, BERRY and, HODGSON so far.
The Rag and Bone Man came around the streets calling out for any old rags or
woollies. People wanting some extra money would look into their cupboards
and drawers to see what they could find for him. He would sometimes give a
few pennies for some old clothes. "Donkey stones" were also often given in
exchange.For a rabbit skin he might give twopence. Children were sometimes
given a balloon for things like an old saucepan. The Rag and Bone Man would
take almost anything if he thought he could sell it. Most Rag and Bone Men
had a wooden hand cart on two wheels. The two legs on the cart were used to
stand it on when he stopped to collect things, others used a pony and trap.
In the 1950's many would offer a goldfish for rags or scrap metal. Empty jam
jars were another item they used to collect. Rag merchants were also located
in many Lancashire towns, these people purchased items in the same way as
the Rag & Bone man. Small jam jars brought in a halfpenny, large ones a
penny. The merchants also collected rabbit skins. These were times when many
items were re-cycled all pop bottles were returnable bringing in up to 3 old
Hurrah - I actually know the answer to something! This is a first for me! I was raised in Warrington and as a child (in the 50's and 60's) we had a weekly visit from a rag and bone man on a horse and cart. Pots for rags was a common phrase and was used to denote that somebody was stupid. The rag and bone man would give a plate in return for any old clothes or household goods etc and would rattle two plates together as he was driving along and shout 'rag and bone' to herald his arrival. Some rag and bone men would not offer plates but 'donkey stone' a white stone that women used to clean and stain back door steps - Catherine