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You don't say if you have accessed the 1881 census. I have, I think, found
your Eli before he got to NZ. I looked for his father, Joseph, but there are
86 listed for Staffordshire. Regarding Frost there are over 60 listed for
Macclesfield in the 1881 census. If you get anymore info and require a
further search of the 1881, please come back to me off-line.
Dwelling: Fenton Park
Census Place: Stoke Upon Trent, Stafford, England
Source: FHL Film 1341654
PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2730 Folio 34 Page 10
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Eli SALT M 31 M Kingsley, Stafford,
Occ: Ag Lab
Emma SALT M 26 F Macclesfield, Cheshire, England
Ellen SALT 3 F Leek, Stafford, England
Emma SALT 11 m F Leek, Stafford, England
A big thank you to all who replied, (seems like I have shown my ignorance)
Only a few weeks would have been enough to be "of this parish" in the parish reg. for a marriage.
though I bet it was longer for the parish to except them as "of the parish"
My Mum moved from town to village and reckoned about 20 years.......... ahhhh rural life :o))
Which sad to say doesn't get me any further, so if anyone has any connection with the names below...........
catherine Salt in Cheshire
SALT North staffs Moorland
DRURY shrops and Liverpool
ROYLE Northwich Area
BATTERBEE Flint/Ches Border and Liverpool
RICHARDS Worthenbury flints and Malpas
In a message dated 26/05/01 15:53:19 GMT Daylight Time,
> (piece no 2166) be
> able to transcribe the 3 references tothe surname COWAP for me ?
> The references are : 039, 070, 134
I went to the library yesterday but found that the above is
actually kept at Winsford Library about 7 miles away. I will probably make
an appointment now at Chester Records Office as they have records for the
whole of Cheshire there and it will be easier than flitting about <G>
Just for future reference, Northwich Library has various census indexes both
on microfiche and film, the areas that are actually covered being:
Delamere, Eddisbury, Oakmere, Cuddington, Wallerscote, Weaverham. Crowton.
Acton, Little leigh, Barnton, Hartford, Winnington, Anderton, Cogshill,
Marbury & Marston, Lostock, Wincham, Witton, Northwich (township), Castle,
Lostock Gralam, Nether Peover, Allostock, Leftwich, Shurlach.
ps I will let you know what I find!
Hello. I am a new subscriber and would like to post my interests. I am
interested in the family of Mary Ann BIRCH and James COWSILL who lived on
Palatine Road, Northenden in 1921-23 to possibly 1938. James was a
bricklayer. I have a few questions to start me off:
- On a birth cert. of one of their children it reads Northenden R.D. What
does R.D. mean?
- Their sons were probably baptised at St. Wilfrid in Northenden. Are
parish registers available anywhere?
- How could I find if James was self employed as a bricklayer or working for
Are there trade directories for that time frame?
I'm sure I will have lots more, but I think that should get me started. Nice
to meet you all.
These certainly are my George and Isabella (my g-grandparents). It was
thrilling to receive your E-mail and I am so grateful.
Can I please ask a little further advice. I'd like to do firther digging but
don't know quite where to start (obviously further details are obtainable
from the PRO given the Source details). Any ideas appreciated.
Thank you again.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 8:33 PM
Subject: [CHS] SHAW / MEADLEY (MEADLY)
> Dear Allan,
> Are these your George and Isabella in 1881?
> Dwelling: 40A Beacon Lane
> CensusPlace: Everton,Lancashire, England
> Source: FHL Film1341877 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 3662
> Folio 125 Page 39
> Marr Age Sex
> George SHAW M 27 M Lawton,
> Cheshire, England
> Rel: Head
> Occ: Quarryman
> Isabella SHAW M 30 F
> Lancashire, England
> Rel: Wife
> Jane SHAW 5 F OddRode, Cheshire,
> Rel: Daur
> Occ: Scholar
> Ellen SHAW 8 m F Everton,Lancashire,
> Rel: Daur
> Regards, Penny
As listowner I aim to promote the free expression of views, provided they
are views on the subject under discussion and do not descend into personal
The most recent message on the subject of "geography" has gone too far.
Please do not continue down this path (a request to all subscribers).
Carl, Listowner, Cheshire list.
thank you to everyone who helpfully answered what I thought was a reasonable question. Of course I know that Liverpool is in Merseyside now but as I thought it was different back then. We all need a little help from time to time even on the simplest things.
As the Liverpool boys them selves said 'I'll get by with a little help from my friends'
I wonder if anyone has access to a Kelly Directory for CONGLETON anytime
about 1930's ( possibility earlier or later ). I am trying to find John
James ALBINSON who had a general store type of shop.
A big thank you to EVERYONE who has answered my St.
Catherine's Index and DEARN family inquiries,
especially; Ron, Bruce, Sue, Natalia, Antoinette, and
Speaking personally as a list member not living in the
UK, these are the type of people who have encouraged
and educated me, through patience and understanding.
They continue to create excitement about genealogy
each time they help me with another missing piece to
my family tree.
My genealogy friends and local members cannot believe
me when I tell them about this fabulous Cheshire List.
Keep up the good work.
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On 4 May I posted a letter (snail-mail) to the Cheshire Central Register
Office with a request for a marriage certificate. I gave the certificate
reference, a completed form from the Cheshire BMD site, a self-addressed
envelope and 2 International Reply Coupons and my VISA account number.
I received my VISA statement on 24 May and it showed that I had been
debited by the Central Office for the appropriate amount on 8 May. I wrote
that day to the Registrar to say I had not yet received the certificate and
wrote again on the 28 May. I had a reply yesterday to say that the
counterfoils for marriage certificates had been checked and the document
was prepared and despatched on the 8 May. The envelope was passed on to the
Office Service Unit for correct airmail franking.
As airmail does not take as long as this to get to New Zealand, even at the
worst of times, I can only assume that it is coming by sea - which these
days can take anything up to 3 months. The one thing I did NOT do was to
put "Air Mail" on the self-addressed envelope. I suppose I assumed
(foolish, with hindsight) that the appropriate airmail sticker would be put
on the envelope at the Cheshire end along with the appropriate postage.
This letter is just to warn others who do not live in the UK that this is
something to be wary of.
I am not usually inclined to get involved with the bickering on the list, but this is too much. This list is for genealogy matters, not for people to air their bombastic views in critisism of others.
If you dont like the message, then DELETE it and then FORGET about it. So someone didn't know where Liverpool was. Big deal, Has it hurt anyone? If its still anything like it was when I was last there 15 years ago, they are not missing much!!
Like many other people, we in SA have to pay to download emails and am tired of having time and money wasted with this type of rubbish.
When I read this pompous drivel I know why I emigrated 20 years ago.
Please, let's use the list for what it's intended for and cut out this nonesense!!
A look at this posting underlines why we all need to help whether it's a
silly request in some eyes or a serious request.If you dont like the posting
I have read and read every one of the e-mail about this
subject. I can not speak for anyone else but in my case I had a Stroke 5
years ago lost my speech for over 2 years. Then got it back slowly my memory
span does not work like yours anymore, I am only able to retain about 4
lines at a time so when I go onto Go ogle that you all rave about and I just
get frustrated, by the time I have sat at this machine for over 2 hours and
still not found what I went on for in the end I have usually forgotten what
I was looking for in the first place.Maps are the same I look at them and
can`t visualise how many miles from one town to the other.Only for the fact
that I have a spell check on I would not be able to send you this letter. I
am not asking for sympathy I am not asking you to do it for me. There is
nothing more wonderful than finding it yourself. But I do need a little help
sometimes. With how many miles from here. Or what does this mean. So all I
ask is be a little tolerant sometimes because some of us can`t find out our
self and as for Sue who asked the Question she is one of the first people to
help I know as she has helped me a few times, and I say Thank you to her
again. Sorry for going off on one I apologies for any upset I might cause
but I thought you might like to hear it form the other side just for once.
Best Wishes to you all Hannah
G day to you all
I am still very new to this hobby I am trying to trace a JOHN HARTSHORN of Macclesfield he could possibly be from the Sutton or John St area he died prior to 1932 aged 50 so he should be on the 1891 census could a kind lister do a look up for me
GEOFF Vic Oz
Roy Stockdill wrote, among other comments I fully agree with:
> Then later at grammar school, we had a
>teacher of physics (a subject I particularly disliked and was sadly
>deficient in) who could stun you at 20 paces with a well-aimed piece of
>chalk or blackboard rubber (that's an eraser for our American friends).
Yes, at my grammar school we had a French teacher who was equally
proficient with the blackboard rubber, and added insult to injury by
requiring the unfortunate pupil to bring it back to his desk!
Lest there be any misunderstanding over the water, the blackboard rubber
was a wooden block with a thick felt pad attached to one side. Painful!
Research: LAWTON, LEECH, POTT(S), SMALLWOOD Cheshire/Staffordshire mainly
BATTISHILL, CARWITHEN, LUKE, RICHARDS Devon/Cornwall
ROCHFORT worldwide, mainly Ireland
In a message dated 31/5/01 in CHESHIRE-D-request(a)rootsweb.com Lynda writes: "
> you could get round even that inconvenience by a special licence."
No Lynda - an "ordinary licence". The "special licence " was intended to
allow you to get married in a building which was not registered for marriages
- and was very rarely issued. It was used for prison cells and hospital
wards and things like that. I am not even sure that it exists now.
The "ordinary licence" was to allow you to marry in a "licenced" or
"registered" building, by swearing an affidavit before a Commissioner for
Oaths that there was no legal reason why you could not be married. It could
be obtained in as little as 72 hours. The minister is then issued with a
"licence & certificate" which allows him/her to perform the ceremony.
Hello again Beverley,
I had a few minutes to spare while I was at the library so did a bit of checking up on the BDM's and came up with a few possibles for you:-
I could find no marriages for Thomas Dearn in this area around 1857-1863 (But I did find one for a Thomas Dearn in Great Boughton (Chester) in the Jun Q. 1859 cert. No. 8a 487). I also found one for Thomas Dearn in the Mar.Q. 1878 certificate No.8a 262 in Altringham. I could not cross-reference it with Mary as I do not know her maiden name. It is possible that Mary was his second wife. I did not have the time to check the Deaths for the years 1862-1878 the time between the 9year old Ernest and the 1year old Sarah. but I will if you want me to.
I found the birth of William born Altringham in the Mar.Q. 1860 cert. No. 8a 173 (if all else fails, his birth certificate will give his mothers maiden name and his place of birth also his fathers name and profession) I also found Harriet born Altringham in the Sep.Q. 1866 cert no. 8a 143.
I also found a few Dearns' at Tenbury on the border of Shropshire/Worcestershire also at West Drayton.
Hope this helps. Happy hunting, Antoinette
Valid points have been made on both sides of this discussion, but it has
lasted some time and is becoming a bit repetitive. Perhaps it is time to
called a truce on this subject.
Carl, Listowner, Cheshire List.
trying to advance my search using Cheshire BMD.
Does some kind soul have any of the following in their tree?
James Dale Turner b abt 1860 of Prestbury
Charles Henry Scott do of Witton
Oliver Booth do of Over Tabley
George Curry do of Crewe
They could have married my missing g-aunts
NEWTON, HOWARD, JONES, KNOX, Newton NASON
(WHATTON-)BROOKER, HOYLE, BYRNE,