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We have received a couple of messages enquiring whether we would like
any details thrown up during searches of the 1891 Census when the
online trial starts.
We have, of course, accepted these generous offers with almost
indecent haste and it occurred to us that there may be others of you
who would be willing to contribute from this source. If so, may we
impose upon you one further step - could you please try to remember
the Census/PRO reference, along with the more obvious items, ie, name,
name of premises, address (as fully as possible), how the occupation
is recorded and the age.
We need these details only for the head of the house or the individual
whose occupation is appropriate.
Many thanks in anticipation and good hunting!
Stan & Rob
The Pubs, Inns and Taverns Index for England, 1801-1900
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Well Gayle, now we know....into the list you go!
Canada was made "officially metric" about 1978, under the arrogance of a
Prime Minister for whom to this day, many, (perhaps a majority of those who
lived in his years) do not have
a kind word.
Retailers, wholesalers, manufacturers, businesses, the public, were forced
to adopt the metric standard of litres, metres, pascals, whatever else. The
reason given was that it would facilitate trade with Europe. Of course,
Canada's largest "customer" was and continues to be the U.S.A. which is
There was a good bit of resistance but the government thumb was heavy on the
scale and most Canadians seemed to accept the new standards law. A notable
exception (bless them) was the buildings trades and building supplies
manufacturers which refused to change to mm, cm, metres from inches, feet,
yards, and continues to this day to work in the English scale. A "2 by 4"
is still approx. 2" x 4" x 8 ft. standard measure. (Actually it measures 1
1/2" x 3 1/2" x 8 feet.)
Over a short time, a year or close to, prices of measurable commodities such
as gasoline, meat, canned goods, began to climb at an alarming rate.
Gasoline, which had been selling for under 50 cents a gallon, was now being
sold by the litre (liter ?) and the price jumped to 25 cents a liter, about
$1.10 a gallon.
Meat was sold in kilograms and went from $1.50 - $2.00 a pound, for
instance, to $5.00 - $6.00 a kilogram.
The general public was very much confused by the changeover and slow to
react. They did, however, know that everything was costing more under this
new enlightened system.
Today gasoline is costing upwards of 80 cents a litre...about $3.40 an
Imperial gallon (we produce vast quantities of it in Canada you know).
There was a backlash about three/four years ago by the shopping public,
which was appalled by and began to resist the high prices of "kilogram"
products posted in stores. The public wanted to know what the weights and
prices were in English, that is, in POUNDS.
The retail giants soon realized it was to their disadvantage to continue to
post prices only in kilograms and began to price in both Imperial and Metric
measure. After all, the public would be more amenable to buying a POUND of
meat for $3.00 than it would be to paying at the rate of $7.50 for a
Meats are now widely priced in kilos and pounds with the pound price usually
being the more prominent displayed. Prices vary from approx. $4.00 lb
(cheapest cuts) to $16.00 lb, and more..
A last illustration of the double standard made necessary in order that the
public can readily understand. The Police publish descriptions of wanted
fugitives in Imperial measure.
But, on our Driver's Licenses the measure is in cm.
Thus I am noted as being Ht.191 (I assume that's 191 cm).
But if I were to go missing they'd be looking for a male, 6'3", weighing 205
Television and radio stations would describe me similarly.
By the way, the temperature right now in east/central Ontario at 11:00 p.m.
(non-metric ) is 33' Fahrenheit.
There was/is? an Over Lane in Over/Winsford
In fact a few older people gave "Over Lane Winsford" as place of birth in
We have just looked at the maps we downloaded from the old maps site (before
it changed) and Overlane is written as one word.
The area is marked on the current map as "High Street" and is part of the
A54 between Over and Winsford.
Hope this helps
searching BRIGHT, CRUMP, WHITEHEAD, WATKISS, SHORE, HOPE EDWARDS, WRIGHT
(all Salop) INSKIP (Salop/Staffs), MARTIN (Staffs), MITCHELL (SCT and
CHS/Lancs), SMITH, AITCHISON, THORBURN (all DFS), McRAE (Lewis/L'pool),
HOWARTH (Lancs), OLSEN (N'way,L'pool), WESTON (Salop/L'pool),
EDWARDS(Flint), and VIGGOR (CHS/L'pool/Salop)
>From: "Alan L Bennion-Rowe" <alanbennionrowe(a)onetel.net.uk>
>Subject: [CHS] Overlane Cheshire
>Date: Sat, Mar 31, 2001, 5:05 pm
> Despite numerous searches I cannot find where Overlane, Cheshire is located.
> I have several births, marriages etc from this location. Anyone able to
> help? Please.
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This message is not for Cheshire area, but I am hoping that someone out
there knows where Ordley Shropshire is.
On the 1851 census I have a Mary Eleanor TRAVER, stating her place of
?Ordley Shropshire. There could be a miss spelling of it
Hope someone can help me. Thank You
Margaret Ontario Canada
>From: "Wesley Pemberton" <wespem(a)telpacific.com.au>
>Hello, my name is Wesley PEMBERTON and I live in Sydney, Australia.
>I have been researching the Pemberton name for some time. I have been
>relatively successful back to about 1800 but as usual there are still a
>few names to confirm
>and am now in the "difficult" zone.
>Wesley have you got anything on a Thomas Pemberton who married Elizabeth
>Gooch in 1854. Elizabeth died in 1880 and is buried at Overleigh cemetery
>in Chester. There was a daughter Ann but I have know other children.
>I haven't found this family on any census. All I have is the marriage was
>registered Great Boughton and Elizabeth death was registered West Derby.
>Elizabeth is a sister of my husband GGrandmother Margaret Eliza Gooch.
Chris from Perth W.Aust
I've just seen someone willing to do lookups in the
Dumfriesshire area, for "Pigots 1837" and don't know
what it is, I'm new to all this,
Regards Pamela, sunny Queensland
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Yesterdays is a summary of some of the stories which appeared in the Ashton
Reporter one hundred years ago. They are mainly about the events in lives of
the people who lived in that area of south east Lancashire and north east
Cheshire, although I make no apology for the occasional non-gen story. A
couple of stories this week include Lancashire dialect - apologies if this
is confusing to anyone unfamiliar with it.
The is a searchable archive of Yesterdays on my website at
Yesterdays 30 March 1901
THE DIESEL ENGINE AT GUIDE BRIDGE
The first exhibition of the Diesel engine at work in England was made on
Monday afternoon at the engineering establishment of Messrs SCOTT and
HODGSON close to Guide Bridge Station. The demonstration took place with a
20 to 22 horsepower engine which was subjected to severe tests before a
large and critical gathering of experts, about 130 in all, who had journeyed
from London by a special saloon train. Amongst them was Professor W G UNWIN
who is probably the best authority in England on this particular branch of
Whilst the inspection was going on, the engine was working at a pressure of
550lbs to the square inch, but is capable of being worked at 750lbs. The
heavier the load, the greater the pressure required and vice versa.
The engine has been invented with the object of demonstrating the theory
propounded a few years ago by Mr R DIESEL of Munich, that steam, oil and gas
engines in their present form have reached the limits of possible
improvements. Messrs SCOTT and HODGSON have constructed the engine to the
order of the company which has been founded to take over the English patent
for the inventor.
* * *
VIOLENT WORKHOUSE INMATE AT ASHTON
Attempt to Stab the Taskmaster
At the Ashton Borough Police Court, an inmate of the Ashton Union Workhouse
named William HIBBERT was in the dock charged with committing an assault
upon Richard REYNOLDS, taskmaster at the Workhouse, also with disorderly
behaviour on March 26th.
Richard REYNOLDS stated that on Tuesday, the inmates were assembled in the
dining hall, preparatory to dinner, and the children were singing grace when
the prisoner got up and began bawling and shouting. On finishing singing, he
Witness told him they should not have such behaviour in the dining hall,
where upon he started cursing. Witness got hold of him by the shoulder and
tried to put him outside, but he got hold of a knife (produced) and made a
lunge at him. With the assistance of Mr SHORE, the knife was taken from the
prisoner and they got him outside the dining hall.
Prisoner: Aw want t send for witnesses and see whether they tell t truth
or not; thats way t decide the thing correctly.
Magistrates Clerk: What were you making a noise for?
Prisoner: Wi as to ate hash and aw war axing where t mate (meat) war and
they said they would not have that noise (Laughter in court).
Clerk: I suppose this hash was the usual hash?
Prisoner: Theres never any mate in it; they said it wor a new diet.
The Presiding Magistrate: You will be committed to prison for 14 days on
each of the charges and then you will have an opportunity of trying another
* * *
ALL THROUGH THE ORGAN
James POTTS was summoned for being drunk and disorderly in King-street,
Dukinfield. I had some drink, he said. Because the organ started, the
childer got agate o dancin, and he (the officer) locked me up. I dont
plead guilty to disorderly, except dancin for the childer.
An officer stated that the defendant was drunk with a crowd of children
around him. He told POTTS to go away, but he refused. Alderman BEELEY said:
POTTS, I dont know how many times you have been here when I have been on
the bench. You seem to be a regular attender.
Superintendent COOPER said the defendant was an intolerable nuisance. He was
fined five times in 1899 and was dealt with leniently that time, being fined
no more than 2s 6d. This time, he was fined 10s and costs, at which he said:
Youd better pension me off.
* * *
AWFULLY SUDDEN DEATH AT DUKINFIELD
The police have received information of the death of Harry LLOYD, aged 23,
dry cleaner, residing at 23, Malpas-street, Dukinfield which took place on
Thursday evening very suddenly. The deceased was employed at the dry and
cleaning works of Mr J T HOLDERNESS, Tame Valley, and he attended to his
work in apparently his usual health. He was in the act of leaving the room
where he worked and when in the doorway, he was seen to fall suddenly
forward upon his face.
His fellow workmen were speedily at his side and lifted him up. It is said
that the deceased gasped or coughed twice and died before medical aid could
be obtained. Death was supposed to be due to sudden failure of the hearts
Evidence was given by William LORD of 115 Park-road and Christopher BARKHAM
of 63 Crescent-road. Dr CLARKE said of the deceased: Nothing unusual had
occurred in the works that day to excite him. He was about his usual stamp
and did not show any signs of fatigue. He was not running when he fell. The
jury returned a verdict of death from natural causes.
* * *
ASHTON WOMAN FOUND DEAD IN BED
Sarah COWLEY, single woman, 72 years of age, was found dead in bed at her
home, 33 William-street, Ashton on Saturday morning. Deceased was always
strong and healthy, and her sudden demise came as a surprise. She retired to
bed at nine oclock on Friday night and made no complaint of feeling unwell.
It was her custom to remain in bed longer than usual on Saturday mornings,
but as she did not get up, her brother went upstairs at 11.30 am to waken
her and found her dead in bed with her arms folded.
Evidence was given by the deceaseds sister-in-law, Sarah COWLEY of the same
address and Alice CHORLTON of 110 Victoria-street, They said she was always
in good health, although she was "very stout. It was four years since she
had seen a doctor and she had cleaned at the Ashton police office for 50
years, never having been off through illness. She had been employed under
three chief constables. A verdict of death from natural causes was returned.
* * *
SERIOUS FIRE AT GORTON
An alarming outbreak of fire occurred about half past three oclock on
Thursday afternoon in Cross-street. In the house adjoining Mr DUTTONs
drapery establishment dwelt Mr Isaac McEWAN, a blind man, and his wife. He
was also the tenant of the next house as he carried on the business of a
broker and second-hand furniture dealer and used the tenement as a shop or
stores. It was in this that the fire started.
Mr and Mrs McEWAN had gone out for the afternoon and consequently were away
when the fire was discovered. It gained strength with alarming rapidity. Mr
Fred QUARMBY who was on business on the street ran to the Town Hall and sent
a telephone message to the Manchester Fire Brigade. Councillor Edward
SCULLY, whose place of business is not far from the house that was on fire
also ran to the Towns Building, summoned the men who were at work in the
yard, and they got the hose and stand pipe belonging to the township, hailed
a cab that happened to be passing, and drove rapidly to the scene.
The men got to work with commendable speed and worked with a will, assisted
be several onlookers. By this time, the interior of the house was one mass
of flames and it leaped through the windows into the street in a threatening
and alarming manner. There was a strong wind blowing towards
Wellington-street and the flames were sent in that direction.
At nine minutes to four oclock a tender from the Upton-street (Longsight)
Fire Station came tearing up at a tremendous speed. The driver said they did
not get the call until 15 minutes to 4. At six oclock, Mr and Mrs McEWAN
had not returned to their ruined home and it is not known whether or not the
premises and their contents were insured.
* * *
THE EDUCATION OF A DEAF MUTE
The Clerk read a communication from the Board of Education regarding Jane
CHAPMAN, a deaf mute residing at Kob-lane asking what steps the Council were
going to take with regard to her education. The sanction of the Board should
be obtained to any contribution to a certified school under the Act.
The Chairman, Mr LEES said she was a rather weakly girl and was at present
receiving instruction to a considerable extent. The Attendance Committee did
not think it was wise that she should be sent to a certified school in her
present state of health.
* * *
On Saturday last, John HADFIELD of Rider Bank, Chinley, was working at
Messrs J J HADFIELDs bleachworks when his hand got caught in the machinery
and badly injured. The last we heard of the case, the youth was doing well
as could be expected.
* * *
COMMENT ON THE CENSUS
Throughout the country, a vast army of enumerators has been engaged during
the week, delivering census papers, or schedules, as they are officially
called, amongst householders in every rank of life, and these will be
collected as far as possible on Monday next.
The distribution of the papers is a comparatively easy matter. It is the
collection that the enumerators may be expected to find the real difficulty
of their work. There will be incomplete and inaccurate returns to make right
and a vast amount of ignorance and prejudice to overcome in some of the poor
districts before the enumerators can hand in their papers to the registrar,
Mr Percy BRIERLEY.
Householders will greatly facilitate matters and assist the accomplishment
of a correct census if they will, before filling up their schedule,
carefully study the five examples which appear on the back of each. It is
required that the precise occupations of every person enumerated must be
given in the minutest detail and vague terms such as contractor, manager,
foreman, dealer, mechanic, machine worker, weaver, spinner, labourer and the
like, must not be used alone.
They should clearly state, for instance, that their occupation is that of
cotton or woollen weaver, an operative cotton weaver, outdoor or
ironworks labourer, mill mechanic, boilerworks foreman, provision
dealer, sewing machine worker, mill manager, public works contractor
&c. On these points, the requirements of the Registrar General are most
* * *
DEPARTURE OF ASHTON VOLUNTEERS FOR THE FRONT
Ashton people were early awake on Saturday morning bent on witnessing the
departure of the local volunteers for the front and to give them a hearty
send-off. By 7 oclock crowds were wending their way in the direction of
Charlestown Station from which point the local detachment were timed to make
their departure at 7.50 am. The names of the selected volunteers were:
Captain G LUPTON, Sergeant H SHELDON, Corporals E EATON and W E SAXON,
Lance-Corporal S BOOTH, Bugler J S STRINGER, Privates H GREAVES, J OULTON, F
ROGERS, W ROBINSON, P H WILLIAMSON, J WALKER, A JONES, A BROWN, T BOWDEN, W
HIBBERT, R HADFIELD, J W SMITH, A S HOLT, C BOARDMAN, H ELLISON, A MARLAND,
F GORLE, R MARTIN, G HACKLEY, J H LEES, S ROWBOTTOM, A LEONARD, W H
PRIESTLEY, V R CHADWICK, R ALTHORPE, W H GRANT, P MANGNALL, F HULLEY and J W
On the previous Wednesday night, the Volunteers were given a farewell and
toasted in a right handsome manner at the George and Dragon Hotel.
Ian Rhodes, Stockport UK
Family history website: http://www.gravelbank.co.uk
Researching: RHODES in Flockton, Yorks and Mottram and Dukinfield, Ches,
(Associated families: BRADDOCK, CROSLAND, GODDARD, HARRISON, INGHAM,
RAMSBOTTOM, RATCLIFFE (possibly GREENWOOD) and SHEPLEY
BINNIE in Falkirk, Ashton-under-Lyne, Lancs and Dukinfield, Ches,
(Associated families: AIKEN, BELL, FORGIE, HARDIE, KAY, NICHOL, RAMSAY,
SHORROCKS, SMITH and SQUAIR
HARROP in Glossop, Derb and Mottram, Ches. Associated families: BOOTH and
TURNER in W Yorks and THORPE in Lancs, DEWSNAP in Cheshire
PRESTWICH in Manchester, Audenshaw and Ashton-under-Lyne, Lancs. Associated
families: CARTWRIGHT, HARROP and STANLEY,
CRABTREE in Haughton and Denton, Lancs and Hyde, Ches. Associated families:
RIDGWAY, ROWLAND, STANSFIELD, WARDLE
MOLESDALE in Cadishead and Ashton-under-Lyne, Lancs and Dent County,
Missouri. Associated families: CHATTERTON, CRAMOND, WALKER, WHITTAKER
Does anyone have any info as to the existence of any lists of passengers on boats sailing between Liverpool and Ireland in 1846
If there are such lists where are they and are they easily accesable?
A retailer of Beer was not a Publican, he was a person with
permission to sell beer from his premises.
In Pigot's 1834 Directory
A, William BRERETON, Church Street, Runcorn, was a listed as a
Retailer of Beer.
Also listed as a Brewer in Church Street
Perhaps William was Ralph's Father.
Nothing listed for Appleton!!
From: DeeDee1 [mailto:email@example.com]
Sent: Saturday, 31. March 2001 10:26
Subject: [CHS] Inn, Appleton, 1840
Can anyone give the name of the Inn(s) in Appleton around 1841 my
Gtx2Grandfather (Ralph BRERETON) was Inn keeper and I have been
to find the Inn name. I have also found him in Runcorn in 1861
occupation Beer House Keeper, is this just another term for
The address is High Street, Runcorn and I can see (I think) Raven
Do Do - does anyone know if this might be the name the
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> Looking for information on the families of Thomas SELLERS and wife whose
> maiden name was GODDARD from a place called "Furnis Hill." They married 29
> December 1854. Thomas had family at both Dukinfield Hall, Cheshire,
> and areas around Huddersfield, Yorkshire.
Jack W Rumpel
Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA
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To all those who replied to my request re the above. Thanks, at least I know
what the Numbers stand for although it does not help me to change these to
people. You have been most helpful.
Could someone do a lookup in the 1841 or 1861 Cheshire census for George
This is all the info I have: George Lowndes & Mary Oddy had a son
(William G. Lowndes) in 1840 in Brunswick Square, Macclesfield,
Cheshire. (only child, as far as I know).
George was later married to Sarah Ann Hamlin and they had a son (James)
born in1847 in Tamworth, Staffordshire. There were 7 other children
from this marriage - George - Samuel - William - Joseph - Annie - Sarah
-Emma. I believe James was the first born but I'm not sure.
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Hi Ch Listers
I would like to thank everyone who responded to my request for
information on the above.
Special thanks to James HOUGH who provided numerous web sites. I would
add that having looked through some of them they are useful address for
general research. I did manage to find the circus I was looking for.
Thanks again for the time taken to reply.
I am needing advice on how to proceed. My Thomas DEARN
family is listed in the 1871 & 1881 census for
Timperley. They have at least 9 children listed as
being born, Timperley, between 1857-1880. I feel these
children are from two wives. I have one certificae on
my grandmother, Edith, b. 26 Dec. 1880. I do not have
any definite dates on the other family members and
have not found them in the Cheshire BMD, or the IGI.
Would the CD-Rom I read about be helpful for this area
and these dates? Can you obtain Birth Cert. with only
info from the census? Would it be best to try the
local office and where would that be? Appreciate any
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