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I have CROSS & BLOWER on record as the names I'm mainly researching but I'm
wondering if anyone can tie up a loose end for me in connection with these
names. My grandmother Elizabeth CROSS (1875-1956) married George RATHBONE
(1873-1950) in 1897 at Witton, Northwich. They had 2 daughters but also
adopted the son of George's brother, Robert Ernest, after his parents'
deaths in 1917. Robert Gordon RATHBONE married Lily BAYNES in 1934. They
had 2 sons, George Geoffrey (1935-) & Donald (dates unknown). They lived in
Wilmslow & I think Robert Gordon was Registrar for some period. If there is
any kind person out there for whom these names ring a bell, I would be very
glad to receive any information you can give me as to what happened to them
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For the past several months I have been researching my maternal
grandmother's ancestors in Chester. This has given its own set of problems,
not only because of the size of the city and its many parishes, but also
because my grandmother's parents were named JONES and WILLIAMS, the second
and third commonest surnames in England and Wales. Nevertheless, I've made
more progress than I expected and I wonder if there is anyone else
researching similar lines.
In order to distinguish my Jones and Williams families from the many others
in Chester, I need to go into a little more detail than is normal on the
list. I trust that you can bear with me.
So far, I've gone back to my ggg grandparents. First, James and Catherine
JONES had seven children between 1814 and 1827, all baptized in St Johns'
parish. The children were John, Samuel, Richard, Thomas, Catherine,
Elizabeth, and George.
John and his wife, Ann Warren, had ten children between 1841 and 1862, most
baptized in St Peter's parish. The children were Thomas, Margaret, James,
William, George, Richard, Henry, Joseph, Charles, and Arthur. John also had
a son, John, by a first wife, name, as yet, unknown.
Of these eighteen children, only three were girls. So there must be many
Jones descendants roaming about. One, my great uncle Warren JONES,
emigrated to Australia shortly after the First World War.
The Jones families lived right in the centre of the city, in Fourgate
Street, Watergate Row, and Goss Street. James and John called themselves
labourer, chairman, and cabinet maker (John only) in the various parish
records and censuses.
Ann Warren was born in Barnsley, so there doesn't appear to be a Cheshire
So on to Simeon WILLIAMS who married Elizabeth PICKERING of Tarporley in
1809. The only child I know about so far is James, born 1820. But I know
that there were others as I've seen a grandchild in the censuses. James
WILLIAMS married Elizabeth HARTLEY in 1854 in Chester. They has just three
children, Simeon, Joseph, and Catherine born between 1854 and 1859.
Simeon was a publican in St Bridget's parish in 1820, but was a baker when
he died in 1837, three days before the beginning of civil registration.
James was a tailor, who intriguingly was also the superintendent of the
City Baths near Tower Wharf in 1871.
Elizabeth PICKERING's parents were Bernard PICKERING, a yeoman farmer from
Utkinton, Tarporley, died 18 April 1817, and Hannah ?. From three Pickering
wills, she had these siblings and siblings-in-law:
Bernard Pickering (died 22 December 1838) and Sarah, children John and
John Pickering (died 16 November 1821) and Ann, children Martha, William,
Mary Pickering and Robert Chaloner
Lydia Pickering and Joseph Dutton
Nancy Pickering and Thomas Walker
Elizabeth HARTLEY's parents were John and Catherine HARTLEY. John was
baptized in Kirkby Overblow, WRY, in 1789. However, he was working as a
shoemaker in Handbridge, Chester in 1824. The only child I know about so
far is Elizabeth. But, again, I know that there were more as there was a
grandchild (Jones!) in the census.
By 1854, John HARTLEY was working as a turnpike toll collector, which is
probably why he was not in the 1851 census for Chester; he was out on the
road somewhere. That road, in 1861, was the Wrexham to Mold road in
Flintshire, for I found John living in Abermorddu by an extraordinary piece
of luck while searching for one of my Welsh ancestors.
I also have one other Cheshire ggg grandparent on my father's side. She is
Ann PICKSTONE of Cheadle, baptized in 1780, parents being Joseph and
Deborah PICKSTONE. I haven't begun researching this line. There are no
wills in the Cheshire index with this name in Cheadle, but there are
several in nearby Altringham.
So if anyone has any JONES, WILLIAMS, PICKERING, HARTLEY, or PICKSTONE
ancestors who they think might connect, do please drop me a line.
Paul, Stockholm, Sweden.
Hi. I have no luck finding my great grandmother, Catherine Drummond Hodge
who was born in 1854 in Birkenhead, England in LSD online. So any better
information to locate her and her ancestors. What about Census? Your help
would be appreciated.
I'm new to the list and have been waiting for a marriage cert. from
England before subscribing, but couldn't hold out any longer. I'm a Kiwi
from the city of Nelson, which has the second highest sunshine hours in
the whole of New Zealand. I'm a reserve teacher/principal who gets sent
all over the top of the South Island of New Zealand as required, so I am
sometimes home for a whole term indulging in my interest in genealogy.
My Cheshire interest is in the area of CONGLETON, with a gentleman by
the name of EDWARD JOYCE b. abt. 1820 Congleton, occupation printer and
In the 1851 cencus he is married to MARIANNE ? aged 24 b. abt. 1827
Eton. They resided in Little St. (sth Ward) Cheshire. Others in
residence included BRIDGET MOORE 19 general servant and JAMES DEAN 13
In the 1861 cencus EDWARD JOYCE is residing in Bridge St. (nth ward)
married to ELLEN PERRY (she was previously married to a WILD) with
daughter from first marriage ANN JUNE WILD, also the children SARAH
ELIZABETH JOYCE 3yrs b. 1858, EDWARD JOYCE 8 mths. b. 18 July 1860
Congleton. A drapers asst. and house servant were also in residence.
Edward went to Germany to "finish off" his education, which was totally
inappropriate to life as a young man as a settler in NZ. Any names ring
bells here? I would also be interested in anyone with access to records
in Congleton. In anticipation
Bampton area, Devon: BESLEY, ESCOTT, VENNER
War: KINZETT, BOULTER, EVETTS
Sturminster Newton area, Dor: MAJOR CLUETT, NEWMAN, ROWLANDS
Brough area, Westmor: GRANGER, SANDERSON, DICKYNSON, SMYTH
Yorks and Durham: FLEETHAM, SPENSLEY, SMIRFITT, WILLAN, GRAINGER
Ulswater area, Cumbr: LEWTHWAITE
Chepstow area, Monm: HARRIS, HURCUM
Nairn area, Scot: LESLIE
Hello, may I introduce myself?
My name is Pat Smith (nee COOK). I live on the Southern Highlands of NSW
Australia. Migrated from Lancashire, in the early 1950s with my brother and
parents. I am currently researching the surname,
To date, I have the following information and I am wondering if any one else
is researching the same family line.
Robert the son of Frank DICKENSON, found on the 1851
census, in Bury, Lancs., was born in Scotland. There are no Robert
DICKENSON / DICKINSON on the 1881 for Lancashire born in Scotland.
But on the 1881 CDs, information as follows.
Dwelling: Brunswick St
Census Place: Dukinfield, Cheshire, England
Source: FHL Film 1341968 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 4051 Folio 99 Page
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Robert DICKENSON M 40 M Renfrewshire, Scotland
Mary DICKENSON M 39 F Hurst, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth E. DICKENSON 11 F Hurst, Lancashire, England
Occ: Weaver 1/2 Time
Rachel DICKENSON 6 F Hooley Hill, Lancashire, England
William DICKENSON 4 M Hooley Hill, Lancashire, England
Robert DICKENSON 1 M Dukinfield, Cheshire, England
Does any one tie in with the above? Or has any person any further knowledge?
Waiting in hopeful anticipation of a reply.
I am looking for a book or publication that might give me a bit of
history on Welsh migration into Britain, Post-Roman ocupation, 400 ad -
It is said that my Yarwood ancesters were originaly from the Welsh clan
called Iorwerth. I am hoping that someone over on that side of the pond
is a historian.
Thank you much,
Kim James Yarwood
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Sidelights on Tranmere has been re-printed and is available in
bookshops in Wirral eg WHS, Waterstone's et al.
Re Ellison's book, not available these days. Why not OCR scan it
and edit it into Word? I did this quite successfully for the
Tranmere Wesleyan (Pepperpot) centenary booklet of 1962 using
photocopies as originals. I know one of the lay members (a
fellow shareholder at Prenton Park!) there and he was delighted
to get a copy of my effort on disk for their archives - they
have no stocks now of course!
G i l UPTON, Southport, England
From: CP & IR Williams <cpwill(a)globalnet.co.uk>
To: CHESHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com <CHESHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: 31 May 1999 13:37
Subject: [CHESHIRE-L] "The Wirral Peninsula" and "Sidelights on
>The book I have "The Wirral Peninsula" by Norman Ellison was
>in May 1955 and reprinted afterwards.the copy I have is from
July 1962. The
>Publishers are Robert Hale Limited 63 Old Brompton rd London SW
>My copy is an old ex library one that I was fortunate enough to
get my hands
>There are many references such as the one I posted here the
other day, it's
>also full of history, wild life of Wirral, old Wirral customs
and more. It
>is part of the "Regional Books" series.
>I'm sorry I have no idea if it is available any more.
>For those of you who live overseas have you tried
>If they don't have one in stock they as far as I'm aware,
>network of used book suppliers and get back to you about it.
>I also have another book some of you might be interested in
>"Sidelights on Tranmere" by J.E Allison M.A.it was published by
>Birkenhead History Society, my copy of this is again second
hand and I have
>no idea if the Society still print this book, maybe someone
>advise you better. It contains references to inhabitants of
Tranmere, a lot
>of history, photographs and maps, it doesn't have any
photographs of the
>==== CHESHIRE Mailing List ====
>The Family History Society of Cheshire:
Photocopies of Cheshire Wills can be obtained from the Chester Records
Office at 35p per A4 sheet. Information about this can be found on the
(then click on 'photocopies')
This is a link from the homepage of the Cheshire FHS which is
Hope this is of some help
Researching JOHNSTON, Birkenhead & Wallasey
> MOSTON, MILLER, BRADBURY, Lymm & Manchester
> CALLAGHAN, TABERN, St. Helens & Sutton,
> WOOTTON, GRATWICH, Staffordshire
> RICHARDSON, PERCIVAL, Lymm & Warrington
From: Bruce Whitehead <Bruce_Whitehead(a)tvo.org>
To: CHESHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com <CHESHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: 31 May 1999 12:21
Subject: [CHESHIRE-L] Wills
>For the benefit of those of us who are far from UK and with little
>experience in obtaining official records, could someone explain the
>process of purchasing copies of wills?
>Information to be provided to registry office?
>Approximate processing time?
>Is proof of relationship required?
>One correspondant mentioned that the cost was very reasonable.
>Should this information be included in the Cheshire Wills site
>(forgot to check last visit)?
>Thanks again to all the contributors to this list for the generous
>donation of time and expertise, as well as those asking interesting
>Bruce in Toronto Ontario Canada.
>==== CHESHIRE Mailing List ====
>Cheshire County Record Office:
Hello all Listers
I have in my possession all the HIBBERT wills of Cheshire dating
from the 1600's and 1700's. Whilst browsing through them for the
umpteenth time the other day, it occurred to me that there were
many other names mentioned in them which could be of interest to
other people. Sometimes relationships are mentioned, sometimes
a place where they lived etc.
I will put on the list all the names mentioned in one will at a time,
and if anyone is interested in any names, they can contact me for
further information. If it is successful, maybe others could follow
suit? (There may even be a Hibbert or two in there!)
Here goes for the first one. These are the names mentioned in the
will of JOSIAH HIBBERT of Stockport, proved 1739.
John BROWN of Stockport
Mary SHITTLEWORTH, wife of Joseph SHUTTLEWORTH of
Thomas RATCLIFFE of Manchester
Mary THUMSTONE (or could be THONELEY)
Sarah HYDE of Prestbury, widow
Catherine PLUMKITT, wife of Alexander PLUMKITT, and Isaac
PLUMKITT their son
John TURNER (deceased) of Stockport.
I will post another list later in the week
I've just joined the list and thought I'd introduce myself....
My name is Erin Goldsby, and I'm just outside of Vancouver, BC, Canada. I'm begun searching my family tree and have started with the branch that I have the most information for - the Okell family of
My grandfather had (which my mother now has), a The Cheshire Book from 1904. It lists in it all of the gentry, magistrates, doctors and lawyers of Cheshire at the start of the century, with little
write-ups about each and their photos.
My great-great grandfather is listed, George Okell, as is his cousin, also George Okell. According to the book, my great-grandfather was:
Justice of the Peace Over Lodge, Over. Son of the late Ralph Kirkham of Brynn Bank, Weaverham. Born at Weaverham, 1837. Graduated from King¹s College, London, first class London Univ. Metriculated
1858. MRCS England (doctrine) 1861. LSA 1862. General prcctiioner, Member of British Medical Assoc. Medical Over District. Northwich Union. Certifying factory surgeon. Surgeon for Winsford District
West Cheshire Railway, lecturer examiner and honorable member SJAA. Surgeon Lieut.-Col. 3rd Vol. Batt. Cheshire Regiment. Justice of the Peace for County of Chester. Married Margaret, daughter of
William Darlington of Weaverham and has issued 4 sons, George LRCP practicing in Over and Thomas Fryer LRCS & LRCP of Long Ditton, Surrey and three daughters.
The info on his cousin, also George was:
The Manor House, Great Barrow. Son of the late George Okell of Barrow. Born at Barrow in 1823, educated at a private school in the county, member of the firm Okell & Owen, East Indian merchants,
Liverpool. Director of Chester United Gas Company. Married in 1872 to Alice, daughter of the late Joseph Jackson of Merfield.
If anyone can give me some direction as to where to go from here, that would be much appreciated!! I look forward to learning more about Cheshire and meeting all of you :-)
The book I have "The Wirral Peninsula" by Norman Ellison was first published
in May 1955 and reprinted afterwards.the copy I have is from July 1962. The
Publishers are Robert Hale Limited 63 Old Brompton rd London SW 7.
My copy is an old ex library one that I was fortunate enough to get my hands
There are many references such as the one I posted here the other day, it's
also full of history, wild life of Wirral, old Wirral customs and more. It
is part of the "Regional Books" series.
I'm sorry I have no idea if it is available any more.
For those of you who live overseas have you tried www.amazon.com
If they don't have one in stock they as far as I'm aware, contact their
network of used book suppliers and get back to you about it.
I also have another book some of you might be interested in called
"Sidelights on Tranmere" by J.E Allison M.A.it was published by The
Birkenhead History Society, my copy of this is again second hand and I have
no idea if the Society still print this book, maybe someone else could
advise you better. It contains references to inhabitants of Tranmere, a lot
of history, photographs and maps, it doesn't have any photographs of the
Greetings from mild autumnal Tasmania!
Samuel Humphres (1) (b1703?) m. Mary Maddock (b.1724) at Frodsham P.Ch in
Their 4 surviving children were - Mary b.1753, m. Artinstall
-Ralph b.1755 m. Mary
-John b.1762 m. Betty
-Samuel (2) b. 1778 , m.
Samuel (2) Humphries and Ellen's children were
John 1801 Cuddington? ch. William , Thomas
Robert 1803 ch. John, Ann, Elizabeth Collins
Samuel (3) 1806 Tarporley ch. .....see below
Ellen 1809 m. Beckett, ch. Thomas, George, Martha Parr
Mary 1811 m. Haddock, ch. Ellen Williams, Mary Ockhill, Elizabeth
Harriot 1805 m. Jomes or Jones ch. Ellen, William, Edward
Andrew 1819 m. Sarah Nickson ................ ( He is my ggf3)
Re Samuel (3) - his childen include Harriet Smith
I believe that Harriet Smith and her family emigrated to Australia.
Perhaps a fellow lister may recognise some of these names?
For the benefit of those of us who are far from UK and with little
experience in obtaining official records, could someone explain the
process of purchasing copies of wills?
Information to be provided to registry office?
Approximate processing time?
Is proof of relationship required?
One correspondant mentioned that the cost was very reasonable.
Should this information be included in the Cheshire Wills site
(forgot to check last visit)?
Thanks again to all the contributors to this list for the generous
donation of time and expertise, as well as those asking interesting
Bruce in Toronto Ontario Canada.
Thank you everyone who wrote to me about Threapwood and my
surname interests. I did slip up with saying ROBERTS in
Bangor, Flintshire. I should have said BANGOR ON DEE which is about
5 miles from Threapwood, just over the county border.
> Kay <ksa297(a)xtra.co.nz> wrote;
> To: CHESHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com
> I am having a problem with the 1881 census
> I went back to National Index and asked for a search of all the name
> using Place of Birth Sutherlandshire and the same for the Place of
> Census. I got a "modify your research" message.
This may be the cause of your problem. There are a number of entries where no county
is shown for Place of Birth so an entry of Sutherland in the search form will miss
I have found very many place names misspelt - this also causes difficulties finding
Auckland, New Zealand