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Hello Everyone! Can anyone tell me whether or not the Church of the
Undivided & Holy Trinity Church sometimes called "Holy Trinity" still
exists in CHESTER?
Thanks a lot. Dennis Phillips. Binalong Bay. Tasmania.AU
I've recently noticed that several of my predecessors have died
relatively close together in time which naturally caused me to think of
epidemics such as the influenza epidemic after WW1. Does anyone know where
I might be able to look up possible epidemics that occurred in the
North-West (Manchester-Lancashire-Cheshire) area ?
Any help will be appreciated.
Mike Hewitt #9316
from a wet Berkshire UK
On Tue, 30 Jun 1998 21:09:04 +0100 Peter Hesketh <pbh(a)phesk.demon.co.uk>
>> >For those of you who don't know the area, these days Thelwall
>> >is (in)famous for the viaduct (recently doubled) that carries the
>> >M6 motorway over the valley containing the Manchester Ship
>> Cough Splutter Splutter! Not just the Canal! Only the second most
>> famous river in Britain - the Mersey!
What a mistake to make!!!! You are quite right of course. I'll be
driving over it tonight but don't think I'll have much of a chance to
Holmes Chapel, Cheshire, England
Alan's Genealogy and Cheshire, England Page:
>Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:43:36 -0700 (PDT)
>From: "Ann Wright" <anwright(a)wavenet.co.uk>
>Subject: Runcorn Surnames
>X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list
>Here are some surnames - linked by marriage - to the KIRKHAM family, mainly
>PARISH OF RUNCORN
>Enquiries welcome from anyone researching these names -
>Fathers generation (born circa 1900): WATSON, ACTON, COVENTRY, EVANS,
>FRANE, MILLER, GANDIDGE, WILLIAMS, ALLONBY, ARMSTRONG, WARD, HARDWICK,
>SHERRATT, BRIGGS, TOMLINSON, LLOYD, BOOTH
>Grandfathers generation (born circa 1860): ELLISON, WATSON, ACTON,
>COVENTRY, BIGGS, SMITH, EVANS, FRANE, MILLER, BONHARD
>Greatgrandfathers generation (born circa 1830/40): CASE, ELLISON,
>HAZLEHURST, SALKELD, POTT, PYE, EVANS, GIBSON
>2xGgrandfathers generation (born circa 1800/10): JONES, CASE, SALKELD,
>HAZLEHURST, HALL, WEBSTER, OLIVER, BATEMAN, JANION, GIBSON, PYE
>3xGgrandfathers generation (born circa 1770/80): JONES, SALKELD, YEARSLEY,
>4xGgrandfathers generation (born circa 1735/50): LEE, BRADSHAW
>5xGgrandfather THOMAS KIRKHAM married MARY KING 4.5.1730
>6xGgrandfather RICHARD KIRKHAM married MARY BRADSHAW 15.7.1709
>Best Wishes, Ann Wright, Fylde Coast, Lancashire
Please do not confuse Bootle as being part of Liverpool.
Geographically you maybe correct but for records it's a NO No!
Liverpool have their own council and Bootle comes under Sefton.
There is however an overlap around the Kirkdale area where it is
actually in Liverpool (for censuses etc.) and so you maybe lucky as I
once was but don't count on it.
Bootle Library have their own records.
Hope this helps.
To John Williams, Michael Bebbington & Amette Ley
A BIG BIG SORRY.
I ran out of time.
The RO misbooked my appointment on the film reader and I was late
To the others who asked. What little I found has been e-mailed direct.
Will keep you queries on file and hope to go again in another month or
so. Is that OK with everyone.
Regards to all.
>Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 13:08:51 -0700 (PDT)
>From: "Wendy S. Bennett" <wendysb(a)leabennett.demon.co.uk>
>Hi to the Bowden researchers,
>I've just sneaked back on to the list for five minutes.
>England 2 Argentina 2.
>But enough of all that.
>I have just discovered a witness on one of my spare marraiges
>certificates with a FRANCES BOWDEN/DOWDEN .
>If you are interested in the details please email me privately.
>Wendy S. Bennett
>Reply to wendysb(a)leabennett.demon.co.uk.
In message <24986947.35988069(a)aol.com>, ARicka7565(a)aol.com writes
>For those of you who don't know the area, these days Thelwall
>is (in)famous for the viaduct (recently doubled) that carries the
>M6 motorway over the valley containing the Manchester Ship Canal.
Cough Splutter Splutter! Not just the Canal! Only the second most
famous river in Britain - the Mersey!
Regards, Peter Hesketh Monmouthshire UK
Twenty reasons why chocolate is better than sex: number 5
"If you bite the nuts too hard the chocolate won't mind."
>I have just tried filling in the form for queries but unfortunately the space
>allocated is not long enough for my e-mail address - how can I over come this
>without changing my address?
The form is set up to accept e-mail addresses up to 30 spaces long. As
yours is only 25 (eu004358(a)pophost.eunet.be), I'm not sure why you should
have experienced any difficulty.
Have another go - and e-mail me privately if you have any more trouble.
>From: "Gilbert Upton" <uptonga(a)cybase.co.uk>
>I would GUESS (and so I am open to correction) that their church would be
>the one in Bebington which is the
>only one old enough to be around at the time. I am finding it hard to
>think of any church in Storeton itself.
>In Sulley's "Hundred of Wirral", first published in 1889, his section on
>Storeton fails to mention a single
>church and just says "The township is in the parish of Bebington and the
>tithes, commuted at £156, are paid
>to the rector." - he spends most of his text describing the quarries .
>Sulley suggests Bebington St Andrews' is Norman in origin at least
>(although the present building contains
>few traces). He goes on "The parish anciently comprised the townships of
>Bebington, Higher and Lower,
>Poulton-cum-Spital, Storeton and Tranmere".
>I would think this is one where you should ask Cheshire Record Office for
>something more definitive than I
>Gil Upton, Southport, England
>From: Andrew Sutton <andrew.sutton1(a)virgin.net>
>Subject: [CHESHIRE-L] Storeton near Birkenhead
>Date: 29 June 1998 13:31
>For some time now I have bee attempting, without much success, to establish
>the antecedence of one JOHN SUTTON who married in Bidston Parish in 1783.
>I believe that he is the issue of John SUTTON and Anne GRICE who married on
>16 October 1763 in Bebington Parish Church and they may connection with an
>area know as Storeton.
>The question is this: where would people who lived in the Storeton area of
>the Wirral, in the mid 1700's, have gone to church?"
>Researching the SUTTON families of the Wirral Hundred in Cheshire.
>SUTTON connections with Wallasey, Bidston, Moreton, Bebbington, Eastham and
>any strays across the water in Liverpool.
>The name STEEL(E) and ROSS in Liverpool.
>==== CHESHIRE Mailing List ====
>Index to Cheshire Wills:
I have just tried filling in the form for queries but unfortunately the space
allocated is not long enough for my e-mail address - how can I over come this
without changing my address?
Helen Parsonage wrote:
> I've just finished uploading a whole bunch of new queries to the Cheshire
> message board at:
> You never know - an unkown cousin may be just waiting to hear from you.
> There have also been one or two additions to the Cheshire Look-Up Exchange at:
> So, if you've not been by for a while, come and see what's on offer. Or
> maybe you have something you could add?
> ==== CHESHIRE Mailing List ====
> Cheshire County Record Office:
Storeton is the village between Hr Bebington and Barnston, and is
surrounded by land owned by Lord Leverhulme.
In my experience, and I also have ancestors from this area, it was in
Bebington parish and came under St.Andrews in Lwr Bebington. Quite a
walk, but not too far in the 1700's. St.Andrews was the parish church
(also the oldest on the Wirral ?) until Christchurch was built c1860.
This is on Kings Road, I think, near the roundabout at Broadway.
Storeton is where a lot of the buildings on Merseyside got their
distinctive red sandstone from, and it was quarried there extensively.
It is also where a dinosaur's footprint was found which is now on
display at Christchurch. My ancestors around the turn of the century
where all, it seamed, Masons from Hr Bebington and Storeton.
>Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 04:43:50 -0700 (PDT)
>From: "Laura McDuff" <lmcduff(a)i.net.au>
>X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list
> Information about anglican churches in Tintwistle.
>I am researching the Rev. Edmund Chalmer who was a curate at Tintwistle
>in the 1850s. How many anglican churches would there have been in
>Laura McDuff, Melbourne, Australia
Cyril Blount wrote:
> Only once have I tried to attach at GEDCOM file. It failed. I had to send
> it on a disk snail-mail. I wondered if this has anything to do with the
> fact that i use AOL. I have spoken to someone who uses DEMON and they never
> have any trouble sending GEDCOM by e-mail. Or - could it have anything to
> do with the size of the file ?
There seems to be a particular problem with AOL but all Attachments are at risk of being corrupted. The problem arises because
our emails are first converted to Unix binary code and compressed for sending and uncompressed and unencoded on receipt.
I understand that it is the compression / decompression routines which can introduce errors and cause corruption of files.
[Those with scanners will know how a picture loses information when compressed into JPEG format - something similar can happen
The best way of minimising the problem is to ensure files are pre-compressed by your routines - such as WinZip or similar - so
the Unix routines have less chance to (unintentionally) change the data.
Hope this simplified explanation helps.
Neville Arrowsmith wrote:
> To prove your point I have a letter written IN 1836 by my gg grandfather,
> Richard ARROWSMITH, to the mayor of Wigan applying for the job as Gaolkeeper
> and Constable, he was constable at Weaverham at the time. The job was to pay
> £40 per year.
Did he get the job?
My ancestor John JOHNSTON (b. abt 1801) was also gaolkeeper and constable at Weaverham for a time - possibly immediately prior to Richard ARROWSMITH's application - so I too would be interested in the location of any service records.
Have any list members sighted such records? Do they give information on date and place of birth?
All the detail I have for John, from his marriage cert., is that he was born in Scotland - which makes it difficult to ttrack him down unless I can find another record with more information.
Hi Helen and everyone I think I have mentioned this before but there is a site
called Trenches on the web and it contains masses of information about WW1.
Hope someone out there will find it useful.
Helen Parsonage wrote:
> Soldiers Died in the Great War
> Now published on CD -Rom
> The essential reference work for genealogists, librarians, family and
> military historians, medal collectors etc.
> Pre-publication price of 150GBP.
> " In 1921 81 volumes embracing every regiment and corps of the British Army
> were published listing approximately
> 635,000 Soldiers and 37,000 Officers who died in the war, and it is this
> immense undertaking which is now published by
> The Naval & Military Press on one fully-relational database CD-Rom.
> Soldiers Died on CD-ROM contains the complete set of all 81 volumes with
> software that allows searching of every
> element in each record. Searches can be executed for Regiments, Battalions,
> surnames, christian name(s), initial(s), born
> (town), born (county), enlisted (town), enlisted (county), regimental
> number, rank, killed in action, died of wounds, died,
> theatre of war of death, date(s), supplementary notes.
> Searches of element(s) can be made by one or as many elements as you wish.
> For example, you could search for every
> soldier who died of wounds on the second day of the Battle of the Somme,
> every soldier killed at the Battle of Ancre, all the
> soldiers born in Belfast, all the men killed in actions in France and
> Flanders, all the men died in India, all the men with the
> surname Buckland. As you will see, you will have at your fingertips what
> would have been months of toil
> and a very hefty card index system on the screen in a matter of seconds.
> The software package has been designed with scroll down menu bars for
> Regiments and Battalions and on screen
> buttons for you to click on with your mouse for other elements within the
> search field to keep typing to a minimum. In fact,
> if you can read and type with one finger, however slowly, you will be able
> to use this database to its full potential.
> After completing your search you can view and sort the data on screen and
> print out your results."
> ==== CHESHIRE Mailing List ====
> Index to Cheshire Wills:
Michael Holman wrote:
> 1844 Murtay Stenton married Sarah Gibbons at RC Gt Boughton,
> Chester. Both give Steven Street, John parish, Chester as abode.
> Anyone done 1841 census for this location, would appreciate any info
> of occurrence.
I have attached all the census info on the name of Gibbon incase it is
any use to your or anyone else on the list. I am also looking for info
on the surname of Gibbon. My gr x 3 grandparents were called Thomas and
Sarah (????) Gibbon. One of their children was called Hannah, my gr x 2
grandmother. They were from the Altringham area in Cheshire.
1871 29 New Street, Altringham
John Gibbon 25
Alice Gibbon 27
1871 16 New Street, Altringham
Henry 54 Gardener, Bowden
Diana 57 Lancashire
Mary 31 Dressmaker Urmston
Peter 23 Schoolmaster Altringham
Helen T Pearson (Grand Daughter)
1871 13 Hill Street, Altringham
Edwin 8 Scholar
James A 6
Samuel Gibbon Labourer 25
1841 Bri(u)cklins, Altringham
Thomas Gibbon 40 Gardener Altringham
Sarah 40 "
James 20 "
Hannah 15 "
Thomas 12 "
William 10 "
Henry 8 "
1841 Chapel Street, Altringham
Adam Shaw 35 Weaver "
Jane Shaw 35 Weaver "
Mary Shaw ? "
Hannah Gibbon 15 Weaver "
Hope this may have helped someone. If anyone recognises any of these
names please get in touch.
DUGUID - Pre 1854 -Scotland, Northern England, South Africa
GIBBON - Circa 1820 Altringham area, Cheshire
GOODIER - Pre 1850 - Manchester, Cheshire
HERBERT - Pre 1889 Northern England
KEELING - Any - Newton, Chester, Northwich, Cheshire
NEWMAN - Pre 1850 - Worcester/London's East End
NEWMAN - After 1850 Northern England
OAKS - Pre 1889 - Manchester, Northern England
PEARSON - Pre 1861 - Northern England, Lymm, Cheshire, Lancashire &
SIMMONDS - Pre 1927- Croydon, Brighton, England
WHITWELL - Pre 1800 London area
WRIGHT - Pre 1820 - Altringham, Timperley, Mobberley, Cheshire &
Helen Parsonage wrote:
> > and Richard Hough was listed as a "chapman".
> agrees with me. Different centuries, different usages? Who's got the OED
> with some 17thC examples?
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