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Ruth, I'm sorry I haven't saved your e-mail address so have sent this
through the Cheshire List.
Would it be possible for you to look up the Rostherne Parish files for John
Ardern bapt. 9 July 1769 at Timperley? died 17 April 1857 buried at
Rostherne Parish Church. I am interested in obtaining his wife Martha's
surname and any detail of his parents, James and Elizabeth.
I understand that this family have been listed in other documents under the
name of Arderne, Ahern, Athern, Hardern and Arderon
Katikati, Bay of Plenty, New Zealand
Surname ARDERN James & Elizabeth, Altrincham/Timperley
Cheshire, UK mid 1700's
Hi Charles Hancock,
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I can not help with your family history, but I can tell you about these
places:both are in Yorkshire, near Harrogate. Hampsthwaite is a stone
built village with real character, and Fewston is a much smaller hamlet,
now dominated by a large resevoir, round which there are public rights of
way for walkers.
They are on the edge of the James Heriot country, if you ever saw the TV
series about the Yorkshire based vet.
I can not give you any great detail as I live about 120 miles away (not far
to you but a long way in this crowded island), but my wife comes from those
parts, and we often visit the area when staying with relatives.
They are well worth a visit if you decide to come over and do any personal
Let me know any specific questions you have, and I will try to answer them.
At the time you are interested in they were in the West Riding of
Yorkshire, and records, if available, are probably at Wakefield.
Liz and or Barry Wakelin inquired if anyone else was researching
YES -- HERE.
I have been doing a one- namer on Holbrook ( often Houlbrook in Cheshire
The Holbrook of Walgherton appear to have moved there from Little
Budworth. Ralph, of Hough, and several of his family are in the
Some of the families they married with are:
WILLCOCKSON; HOGEKISSON; WESTON; BRASSY; STANWAY; REPTON; DANNPORT (
DAVENPORT probably); MASSYE; VENABLES; FAULKNER; KNIGHT; DONE; PARSON;
ACTON; RIGBIE; KELLSALL; SAYER; MORREY; BOULTON; VENABLES; WILKINSON;
DAVIES; COLLING; LEACH; HATTON; CHURCHILL; MORTON.
I have issue of many of these daughters and their Holbrook husbands.
Some evidence indicates that the JOHN HOLBROOK, given 7 years to come and
claim his portion of the estate ( will of Ralph Holbrook, 1725) is the
John Holbrook who died 1733 in K ing George County Virginia, naming
Randolph Holbrook of Stafford County as brother.
There is a William Holbrook who died 1754 in Stafford Co. Virginia,
whose son was killed Summer of 1755 at Ft. Cumberland ( what is called
Braddock's Defeat in American history). William (Sr.) may be the
William Chr. 1699 Nantwich, s. of William Holbrook. ("attorney" after
1695) and Elizabeth Weston.
I would be interested in swapping info with any interested parties.
Liz Wakelin: you said you had a name listing of names appearing in
various documents. I would be interested to learn if any
Holbrook/Houlbrook are in your listing.
JC Halbrooks ( see how far a name can change? There are also Halbrook
here descending in same line. I believe the "Cheshire dialect" gave rise
to Houlbrook in records there and these spellings here.)
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Hi from California.
Have you considered REUNION for your family files? I have had nothing
but good results, and a cousin of mine in Edinburgh, Scotland, finds it
equally excellent. Practically all of my family records are British.
I appear to be related to many (if not all!) of the Gentry of Wybunbury, near Nantwich from circa 1500 through to the mid 1800's. I was born in Wybunbury, although a dissoloute ancestor had lost the family wealth!
Is anyone else researching any Wybunbury families pre 1850? I would be very interested in sharing research as many of the families are connected in some way. Even if they are not related they seem to borrow money from one another, and even take each other to court to claim unpaid debts.
The names I am researching are: (but I am interested in any Wybunbury families)
COBBE; EDWARDS; SLADE; VENABLES; TREVIS/TRAVIS; GIBBONS; PLATT; WAREHAM;
ELLISON; HARWAR/HARROWER; LANDER; SPARROW; WHITTINGHAM; BRESSIE; DUNSTERFIELD; LANE; LARGE; PROUDLOVE; WEAVER; DEAKIN; LEA; FFITHIAN; SHERWIN; FFLETCHER; CREWE: SALMON; HALL; SMYTH; DELVES
Some of these names are from the area around Wybunbury but are connected in some way with the families I am researching. I have an even longer list of all the names mentioned in the Wills and Court cases I have written by or regarding Wybunbury Gentry.
Although I was born in the village, I now live in the South of England. Any information would be gratefully received.
>Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 07:37:49 -0800 (PST)
>From: "Arthur Hales-Owen" <halbop(a)email.msn.com>
>Subject: New Subscriber
>Hi I'm Arthur Hales-Owen.
>I am researching into my father's family who were from Crewe .
>My grandfather Arthur Owen (born 1882), came from branches of OWEN living
>in Worleston and BEBBINGTON living in Wettenhall, during the 18C.
>My grandmother Minnie Hardern (born 1880), was one of thirteen children, of
>the family of Thomas and Mary (nee Jones) Hardern, uncles and aunts who
>sadly my father and his two brothers never met. They lived for many years at
>20 Middlewich St. Crewe, her eldest brother William Robert, at 136 Henry
>The branch of HARDERN originated from Macclesfield in the 18C, and JONES,
>Barmouth in Wales.
>I will be pleased to hear from anyone who has any interest in this lineage.
I have been watching with interest the postings to the "Family Origins Users" group over the past few weeks in order to learn whether I such use "Family Origins" as my main genealogy software program. Whilst I have learnt about things and of areas of which I should be aware, I have decided that "Family Origins" is too much geared to American information whereas I, having mainly British ancestors, probably require a program more geared to British records.
For the last year or so, I have been using the "Family Tree" program, which I have found immensely capable and useful, albeit with a number of irritating flaws. I wanted to find a replacement and so started using "Brothers Keeper", about which I had heard so much. I must say that I was very disappointed with "Brothers Keeper". I find it not very flexible, its charts are not very well formatted and its ability to read GEDCOM files was seriously flawed (certainly in my case).
I have a number of questions:
1. What do other users of "Family Tree" think of the program?
2. Are there newsgroups which cover programs as extensively as that for "Family Origins" and, if so, how might I subscribe to them?
3. Is there set out anywhere, either on the internet or in some magazine, a professional comparison of the various genealogy software programs?
Many thanks in advance.
>According to my "List of all known Cheshire graveyard transcriptions
>and their locations" Wilmslow church was done by J H Nicholson in
>1890 and published by the Lancashire and Cheshire Parish Record Society.
What list is that - and how up-to-date is it? I have a *lot* of folks
e-mailing me with queries about MIs and it would be nice to have a
definitive list. Is it copyrighted, or could we maybe get permission to put
it on the web? - with links to the people who sell them (where appropriate).
Just a thought.
The Cheshire Record Office are experiencing some difficulties with
their e-mail addresses:
They would like to hear from anyone who's e-mailed them within the
last couple of months, but received no response. If this has happened
to you, perhaps could you e-mail me at
telling me the date and time of the message(s) you sent. This
information will help the record office to determine the extent of
the problem, and whether it lies with their incoming or outgoing
mailboxes (or both!).
The Family History Society of Cheshire
Dear John Redfern
Thanks for the email re your Brough's. I cannot yet make a connection as I have little info at this stage. My grandfather, Samuel BAMFORD married his second wife in 1928. Her name WAS Winifred BROUGH, d. of Ebenezer BROUGH; the marriage took place in Congleton, Cheshire but they lived in Macclesfield from then on. In fact my grandfather's family go back to at least 1850 in Macclesfield.
Keep in touch
Jenni Gay ( Sunny Adelaide, Australia)
My friend Stuart Shakeshaft of Grange Farm Cottage, Raby, Wirral is looking for Cheshire
Shakeshafts as follows:-
SHAKESHAFT Ann Died Nether Knutsford Spinster
" Hugh Died1686 Crowley Yeoman
" Issac Died1838 Hegh Ligh Wheelwright
" James Died1843 Grappenhall
" John Died1857 Altrincham Innkeeper
" John Died1781 Antrobus Yeoman
" John Died1781 High Legh Yeoman
" John Died1826 Rostherne Shopkeeper
" John the Elder Died1855 Tranmere Cowkeeper
" Margaret Died1760 High Legh Spinster
" Margaret Died1771 High Legh Spinster
" Richard Died1770 Gt.Budworth Carpenter
" Richard Died1846 High Legh Farmer
" Thomas Died1830 Lymm Chapman
Also - Thomas Shakeshaft (occupation Tailor) married Jane 30 April 1772 at Middlewich.
Sorry. Late night transcription error. The book is "Thomas Janney, 1633-1697 Quaker
publisher of truth" by Polly Grose. c1995
Let me know if you have read it, if you have it, or if you know how I might contact Ms. Grose.
Thanks for your patience,
Does anyone on the list have a copy of the book "Thomas Janney 1633-1697" by Paula Grace?
I found the book listed in the British Library's catalog. Does anyone know Ms. Grace and how
to get in touch with her?
Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA
Any of you out there researching the Hindleys of Great Budworth parish
(Antrobus and Appleton) or Weaverham? If so I would love to hear from you.
Also the Gandys of Frandley (Quakers).
>Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:02:25 -0800 (PST)
>From: "Lesley Haddon" <brznalh(a)ntn1.sonm.nottingham.ac.uk>
>X-Confirm-Reading-To: "Lesley Haddon" <brznalh(a)ntn1.sonm.nottingham.ac.uk>
>X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list
>I am a new subscriber to list and give details below of my interests:
>Cheshire - g.g.grandfather William WAKEFIELD believed to live in
>Chester or County of Cheshire at the time of the birth of his son
>George Henry Millen (or Millin) Wakefield in around 1856.
>Staffordshire - George H.M.WAKEFIELD later lived in Rugby (rumour has
>it that he went to Rugby School), he became a Railway Wagon
>Builder and on 08.11.1974 he married Emily DIPPER of Rugby in Long
>Eaton, Derbyshire (apparently they ran away to marry). In 1881 they
>were living in Burton on Trent, Staffordshire and at the time of my
>grandmother's birth Violet May WAKEFIELD on 27.08.1894 they were
>living at Fancy Walk, Stafford. George and Emily are believed to have
>had 15 children.
>Nottinghamshire - Violet May WAKEFIELD moved to Bulwell, Nottingham
>(with two of her brothers who obtained work in Nottingham) sometime
>before her marriage on 05.06.1911 to George Pearson of Basford ,
>To date I am researching DICKS, O'CONNOR,PEARSON, STEVENSON,
>WAKEFIELD in Nottinghamshire. HADDON in Leicestershire and Scotland.
>ARMITAGE, LIVERSEDGE,TAYLOR, WOODS in Yorkshire. I started in mid
>September 1997 and already have 200 names added to my computer files
The message <l03010d00b0f586e78141(a)[126.96.36.199]>
from Helen Parsonage <parsonag(a)isnet.is.bgsm.edu> contains these words:
> My list of MIs available for Cheshire does not include Wilmslow Parish.
> Could someone nearer to the heart of things (Richard? Brett?) tell me if
> they are 'in process' or nowhere on the horizon. There could be MOTTRAMs
> there, and it would certainly be nice to get any insciptions. So often they
> clear up uncertainties very nicely : - )
> If it is not a huge churchyard I might write to the present incumbant - but
> I suspect it will be quite a sizable one. Anyone know it?
> Any information would be gratefully received,
> ==== CHESHIRE Mailing List ====
> Cheshire Queries Board - World GenWeb Project:
According to my "List of all known Cheshire graveyard transcriptions
and their locations" Wilmslow church was done by J H Nicholson in
1890 and published by the Lancashire and Cheshire Parish Record Society.
>From: Billingham <gbillingham(a)sympatico.ca>
>Subject: Re: Cheshire
>X-Diagnostic: Already on the subscriber list
>X-Diagnostic: 206 gbillingham(a)sympatico.ca 32734
>Hi My name is Jackie Billingham, I am doing research in Cheshire about
>the Kingan family. My great Grandfather was born in Birkenhead Sept.25,
>1876. His father was Willian Kingan, his mother was Joanna Kingan,
>formerly Hayes. His name was James Kingan. In the 1881 english census
>William is listed as widowed and living in Manchester with his two older
>children. I would like to be able to find out where James was living. I
>also Know that it eventually married Margaret Butler in 1902 in the town
>of Hanley. Please e-mail me at gbillingham(a)sympatico.ca if anyone as any
>and living in Manchester with two of his older children
I'm new to the Cheshire rootsweb.
I'm researching several families in the Hyde, Bredbury, Romiley,
Brinnington, Denton, Ashton area. The main one in question at the moment
is the Oldhams who were from Hyde and Bredbury, and in particular Orlando
Oldham b.1856 and his father Joseph who began the Oldham Battery Co. I
have a brief history of the company which gives Orlando's age incorrectly.
Possibly Joseph's is also.
Can anyone help please with Joseph's parentage details. I believe the
family came from Hyde although the company was and still is at Denton. I
understand Joseph had several brothers, including an Alexander.
Pam - Cheshire.
COCKS - Romiley, Bredbury, Woodley, Denton, Ashton
BOWKER - Hyde, Denton
BURGESS - Woodley, Northenden
POWELL - Hyde, Stockport, Denton
CATLOW - any descended from Alice Catlow's family 1700's (married John Cock