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Author: cj1862
Surnames: Cherry
Classification: queries
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More research, and some interesting notes: Burke's Peerage is generally never wrong, but it occasionally takes research to read: eg, it lists de Cheries---states that one of them got the king's permission to enter Normandy from France proper in 1407. Burkes state that the de Cheries held several small estates or villages in Normandy. But obviously this person needed permission go there. Burke's then goes on to say the de Cheries went from there to Northamptonshire, and had numerous holdings because of the persecution of Hugenots in France. Well---it's not that simple. The Hugenot movement got its start in the 1530's, and it's 1407. So M'sier Jean de Cheries was NOT a Hugenot. He may not have crossed the Channel, either, but his lifetime is only one generation from Cherrys who were, according to some records, living in Berkshire, including the ancestors of Thomas II Cherry, whose parish record cites his relationship to the de Cheries of Normandy.
A lookup of the era shows some interesting items: the king Jean de Cheries would have asked for permission might well have been Charles VI of France, who started out Charles the Beloved and ended up, by 1407, as Charles the Mad---with Burgundy and Orleans assassinating each other in the streets and jockeying for power left and right. By 1422, Charles VI was dying, his son Charles who would be VII was being set on the throne amid the Joan of Arc matter---he was a young man, overwhelmed by the machinations of the Duc de Burgundy and the Duc d'Orleans AND the French de Courtenays, who were apparently served by and closely attached TO---one Jean de Chery, of the village of Chery, of Cher, in the Centre district of France, about 200 k from Paris---and NOT that far from the politics thereof. In about 1407, Burgundy assassinated the duc of Orleans, publicly---and Burgundy is also the one who betrayed Joan of Arc to the English, whereupon she was, of course, burned at the stake as a!
heretic. It is not unreasonable that someone who was tied into this mess, between 1407 and 1422, would LIKE to get out of France proper and perhaps to use connections to get over to England. If they were then, in the terrible Hugenot wars in France, joined by others, that is reasonable---but there is certainly ample reason that the popularity of "John" as an early name in the family, and these two historic 'Jean de Cheries' and 'Jean de Chery' are related.
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Author: cj1862
Surnames: Cherry
Classification: queries
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This is a bit off the wall, but just for the sake of thought. THere are 2 versions of how the Cherry family got to England...one involving a name Chei'rei' which just cannot have that many apostrophes in any known European language. I don't buy it with that spelling. The other involves a Jean de Cerisy, from the village of Cerisy in Normandie, which does exist. But that is again, rather full of questions such as why, at that time? or was it earlier? And was it economic need---or what?
So I thought about it, and decided to check out a likely Norman French way of spelling the name. I know French---tolerably; so I went into the French Wiki, and looked for de Chery. Bingo. There was a Jeanne de Chery from Chery, Cher, Centre, France, who married the lord of Arrabloy, Charles de Arrabloy of the house of Courtenay. Now THAT is interesting. This was in the 1600's---but Courtenay is a very important family, very, as in claimants to the throne of France---who had a tiff with one of the King Louis's around the 1100's, just AFTER the Norman invasion, and took advantage of a relationship with a Norman family in Devon, to marry their way into England. They set up in Devon and Berkshire, and IF the de Cherys were close enough to the de Courtenays to be part of their household (sounds as if they ran the town of Chery, in central France) ---then if a de Courtenay picked up and went to England his retainers, aides, bodyguards, knights, etc, would pack up and go with him. !
If a de Chery was part of that group, settled down to English life and the locals, over the years, began to say de Cherry, there it would be.
It's just a thought, but maybe worth a little digging into where the de Courtenays were, where the Cherrys are heard of---
It could provide a fresh look at how, whereas the Cherrys weren't part of the Norman Invasion, they ended up in England.
The Courtenays pretty well died out in France---though surviving in a distaff line. But
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Author: cj1862
Surnames: Cherry, Hiley
Classification: queries
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My paternal great-grandfather, William Pinkney Cherry, son of David, who was the son of Maj John Hiley of Antrim Ireland, had a lot of kids: John Ransofer, Silas, Willie, Frank, Edna, Mary, Katie, Allen, Ben, Isaac...and Robert Edward, who was my grandfather. I think Mary died in childhood. He was born in San Augustin TX, spent time in Grayson Co, and died in what would be Payne Co OK: he was a rancher. Just thought the info might be useful.
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Author: t42Vietnam_ParkerCoTX
Surnames: CHERRY
Classification: military
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CHERRY James L - Vietnam Wall section 7E
Honor our Veterans. This is one of many photographs of the Vietnam Memorial Wall in Parker Co, TX. Feel free to use this picture for your personal records. This is one of the 227,290 photos free at http://teafor2.com where they are listed in order by state(Texas), county(Parker), cemetery(Vietnam) and Surname.
If you know more about this person please reply here instead of contacting me because this is not my family.
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