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Author: Cheeseman_of_Kent
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I have in my notes possibility of Sarah Dawkins b 1829 Waltham married 1848 but this is not confirmed and doubt
is raised by the entry of George Cheeseman in 1851 being listed as single man if that's the right George?
This will need to be further explored.
I Think I found George's eldest daughters Mary Ann and Rebecca Cheeseman
Births Dec 1852
CHEESMAN Mary Ann Milton 2a 535
Births Dec 1853
CHEESMAN Rebecca Milton 2a 507
Wonder if there were elder children that died before the 1861 census?
Some things to consider anyway.
I want to check a few things with you.
Your Grandfather was the son of William Edward Mirams
and Sarah Ann Cheeseman. They married in 1887. Do you have a copy of the 1887 marriage certificate, Parish marriage entry or death certificate that states Sarah's father was George Cheeseman?
I have issue was:
1 William Edward Mirams (1888-1957) married Alice Dorothy Brockman - 2 daughters details limited
2 David Ernest Mirams (1892-1970) married ???? Berkley
- 2 daughters 1 son details limited
3 Ellen Mirams (1895-???) married ???? Harmen
- 2 sons details limited
4 Frederick Thomas Mirams (1898-1918) Died on active service due to illness. No issue
5 Walter Albert Mirams (1900-1911) little details known
6 Other children unknown
I would appreciate a copy of the 1919 photo of Sarah you mentioned and one of William Edward Mirams if you have one.
If you'd like I can be contacted direct - forever_fossicking at bigpond dot com
Yes George Cheeseman had a daughter Sarah Ann Cheeseman
but no daughter Caroline. The 1881 census entry for Sarah
you mentioned has Sarah as sister-in-law to the head of the household which I assume means his wife was her sister.
This doesnt match though the age is right.
I could not find the 1891 Census entry. Can you send me details. Also can you detail your find for Richard, Thomas
and Edward after William's death please.
There is no evidence Stephen Cheeseman and Mary Wickham were Thomas Cheeseman's parents.
regards
Michael Cheeseman
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Author: michaelmirams
Surnames: cheeseman
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Hello again, Michael,
After a fortnight of frenzied internet activity, I'm no nearer to finding out any more about William Cheeseman (1794-1849), or his son George (1829-83), who was my great-great grandfather (I do have a picture of his daughter Sarah Ann, at my grandfather's wedding on Christmas Day 1919 in Ramsgate.) Totally unable to find out George's wife Sarah's surname, but think it might be Rogers or Dawkins - a Sarah Rogers was baptised at Waltham, Kent in 1832, the village which Sarah Cheeseman gave as her birthplace in the 1861 and 1871 Census returns (George gives his birthplace as neighbouring Petham, but I have been unable to confirm this.)In 1841, 1851 and thereafter, George names this as his place of birth. If either Sarah Rogers or Dawkins was his wife,then he was married at Bridge Parish (Barham) in 1848. However - in 1851, George was living at a pub in North Lane, Canterbury, which would have been either the Blue Anchor, the Steam Packet or the Woolpack (the Falstaff Tap was!
not built then)- so the mystery deepens, for me at any rate. Williams' wife's name too has eluded me so far, although I found out that his three younger sons Edward, Thomas and Richard were then living in St. Mary Bredin's Parish following William's death, perhaps with foster parents or relatives. Finally, I have read somewhere that Stephen Cheeseman (b.1660) died in 1735. Can you help me out with any info here, would be extremely grateful,
Regards,
Mick Mirams
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Author: michaelmirams
Surnames: cheeseman
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Sorry, Michael,
tied myself up in knots with the previous message. It was GEORGE CHEESEMAN'S wife Sarah's maiden name I'm looking for, not William's!! I don't know the name of William's wife at all, but a mysterious Eliza Cheeseman appears in the 1841 census with William and his sons. His wife? 2nd wife? Daughter?
Regards
Mick
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Author: michaelmirams
Surnames: cheeseman
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Hi, Michael,
Good to hear from you. My descent from William Cheeseman is through his son George(1829-83), whose daughter Sarah Ann Cheeseman (1868-1931) married my great-grandfather William Edward Mirams. Sarah's mother, also Sarah (maiden name unknown as yet)died when she was just 41, and Sarah was thereafter 'fostered' by a Mr. Tritton until at the age of 19 she came to Ramsgate to work at the new St. Lawrence College. She and William were married in 1887, and had 6 children, including my grandfather.
Do you know William's wife's maiden name? She was apparently born in Waltham Kent, the neighbouring village to Petham where George Cheeseman was born in 1829. I have seven 'Sarahs' baptised in Waltham between 1831-33, but haven't yet found out which of them married William. Their surnames were Stickels,Croucher, Rogers, Marshall, Potts, Pemble and Boughton.
I got my info from Ancestry, picture of St. Dunstan's Church on a Message board led me to it. I do know that George Cheeseman, a railway porter, continued to live in the St. Dunstans' area until his death. His son, also William, born c.1859, lived in Ramsgate with his sister and her husband and family, both in the 1891 and 1901 census returns.
Can you tell me where the info is incorrect?
Look forward to hearing from you,
Mick Mirams
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Author: Cheeseman_of_Kent
Surnames: Cheeseman
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Hi Cousin? Michael,
Funny how so many Carpenter Cheeseman descendants are named
Michael. Can you explain how you are descended from William Cheeseman 1794-1849? There can be only a few possibilities.
Where did you get your descendancy info. It's partially correct.
regards
Michael Cheeseman
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Author: michaelmirams
Surnames: cheeseman
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Hi, I'm trying to find out more about the Cheesemans of Canterbury, Kent, many of whom are my direct ancestors.My g-g-great grandfather was William Cheeseman (1794-1849) Can't find out who his wife was. His father and mother were George Cheeseman (born 1768 or 1770) and Sarah Steel (died 1846), and George's father was Carpenter Cheeseman (1735-1800) Apparently, Carpenter's father and mother were Thomas Cheeseman (1694-1744) and Jane Carpenter (born 1700), and, finally (so far) Thomas's parents were Stephen Cheeseman (born 1660) and Mary Wickham. She is recorded as being born in 1670, but this has got to be wrong, as she was apparently married to Stephen in St. Mildreds Church Canterbury in 1679, and, if born in 1670, had her first child in 1681, at the age of 11!! Also, she was allegedly born in Kent, Delaware, US, but this is also likely to be wrong, as that settlement was only founded during the 1670's- she was probably born in Kent UK. Likewise, they were not married in C!
anterbury New Zealand as has been suggested, as it did not exist until 1848, and was not even discovered in 1679. Can anyone shed further light on this tangle of Cheesemans, such as Stephen's parents etc
Thanks
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