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In a message dated 5/10/01 3:03:13 PM !!!First Boot!!!,
thewilson(a)dingoblue.net.au writes:
<< William Cheeseman, son of Thomas Cheeseman (brickmaker) married Ann
Cheeseman, daughter of Stephen Cheeseman (brickmaker) in Aug 1855, both of
age and bachelor and spinster.
They had a son Charles Cheeseman b. May 1856. >>
You know Theresa, this is suspect.
I know I thought we had no connection but to think that 2 different William
Cheesmans who both had fathers named Thomas could marry to different Ann
Cheesmans who both had fathers named Stephen is incomprehensible.
Tell me about this marriage info you have......is it a certificate? And if
so from where?
What was the AGE of the "Ann" Cheesman who was living with Adeline Spellor in
1881?
This is another key that is impossible to think we are not in the same
line/family.
My Adeline Cheesman married Sydney Speller. That's a fact. It may be
coincidental that they lived next door to "a" Charles Cheesman.
Where were your William and Ann married? And where does it say William was
born? And Ann?
I suspect that marriage info you have is wrong.
Can you send me via email a scanned copy of the marriage certificate?
Please come back to me soon for I leave for England on May 22 for a
month............I may be able to help us there.
Stephen Cooper
My ancestor was William George Cheesman b. 1863 Stockbury, Kent and was at
various times an Agricultural Labourer, Labourer, and Bricklayer.
Brothers/Sisters of William George Cheesman:
Shirley b. 1850/51 Hucking
Richard b. 1852 Stockbury, d. 1880 Leeds, Kent
Elizabeth b. 1854 Stockbury
Augustus b. 1858 Stockbury d. 1872 Leeds, Kent
Edward b. 1862 Stockbury
Augusta M b. 1865 Stockbury
Frances E b. 1870 Leeds, Kent
Children of William George Cheesman:
Kate Elizabeth b. 1886
John b.1887
Ernest Richard b. 1889
Nellie b.1891
Shirley Augusta b. 1893
William George b. 1895
Percy Edward b. 1897
Ethel May b. 1899
Winifred Dorothy b. 1902
Frederick Charles b. 1904
Stephen James b. 1907 d. 1920
William George Cheesman was son of John Cheesman b. 1823 Stockbury.
John Cheesman was son of William Cheesman b. 1796? Staplehurst?
There is also a Joseph Cheesman b. 1843 Hucking, who I believe was John's
brother.
I seem to have hit a brick wall with this William Cheesman b. 1796. He was
married to Henrietta and was a farmer in 1849. His mother was Dorothy b.
1767 East Sutton and his father possibly another William Cheesman. Does
anyone have any further information?
Tracy Leonard
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Cheeseman [mailto:forever_fossicking@bigpond.com]
Sent: 05 May 2001 02:50
To: CHEESEMAN-UK-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [Cheeseman-UK] William Cheeseman (Brick Wall)
Surprisingly though I have traced many of my family
branches back to the 1500's and 1600's, my family surname
line is my brick wall.
My ancestor William Cheeseman as listed on his sons
1878 marriage certificate was a Bricklayer probably
born circa 1780-1810.
His son my 2 x great grandfather Edward Frederick
Cheeseman based on age on 1881 death certificate
was born circa 1836. He was a Gasfitter in 1878,
had married before stated as a widower in 1878
marriage certificate.
I have no idea who he was married to first or if
he had any children but they may have been all
grown up by then anyway.
When he married again, it was at Notting Hill,
Kensington London in 1878 to Catherine A. Brown.
>From this marriage they had children Catherine
Eliza Francis Cheeseman b 1878 and Edward Frederick
Cheeseman b 1881.
Edward F Cheeseman Snr died early in 1881 from
Typhoid while his wife was only a month or two
pregnant. I found his widow Catherine A Cheeseman
and daughter Catherine E.F. Cheeseman in the 1881
Census under the incorrectly spelt name Charman
which was taken from Catherine's occupation of
Charwoman (Domestic Servant). It looks as if the
Enumerator stuffed up the entry.
Later that year at the same address my great grandfather
was born named after his father Edward Frederick Cheeseman.
In 1883 Catherine remarried to William Henry Samuels.
Had two more sons before travelling with her family to
Western Australia. William the son of an Army Captain
at Kensington palace, had been offered a job as a warder
in Western Australia. This according to family tradition
was why they left England.
The Second marriage and subsequent early death has made this
branch difficult to trace. William b 1780-1810? and son
Edward b c1836 may have been from Kent or Sussex or Surrey
where Brickmaking Cheeseman families were known. Does any
of this sound familiar to anyone.
Anyone got possible candidates in their family lines for
William and Edward?
regards
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In a message dated 5/10/01 3:03:13 PM !!!First Boot!!!,
thewilson(a)dingoblue.net.au writes:
<< William Cheeseman, son of Thomas Cheeseman (brickmaker) married Ann
Cheeseman, daughter of Stephen Cheeseman (brickmaker) in Aug 1855, >>
Well, too bad, so close yet so far.........
Believe it or not, the William CHEESMUR (whose father was Thomas) and married
Ann CHEESMAN (whose father was Stephen) in MY family is definitely NOT the
same ones as in yours.............too bad!
I'd be glad to hear from anyone who does have a connection.
Stephen Cooper son of
Doris Speller dau of
Percy Walter Speller son of
Sidney Speller son of
Joseph Hanikin Speller
and also Doris Speller dau of
Beatrice Emily Eggleton dau of
Charles Eggleton and Sarah Emily CHEESMUR dau of
William Thomas CHEESMUR son of
Thomas CHEESMUR
Ok listeners,
This is proving to be a very lateral and interesting and hopefully enjoyable
discussion here. Feel free to join in..............
Your right Stephen I was wrong. The term was suppose to be descendents NOT
ancestors. My apologises for that.
William Cheeseman, son of Thomas Cheeseman (brickmaker) married Ann
Cheeseman, daughter of Stephen Cheeseman (brickmaker) in Aug 1855, both of
age and bachelor and spinster.
They had a son Charles Cheeseman b. May 1856. Charles married Jane Emily
Lock in St Peters, Norbiton, Surrey (1879). No other siblings known yet!
Children of this couple (from family bible):
Joseph Edward b. 1880 East Molesey, Surrey m. Rose Vidley
Ann Ester b. 1882 m. William Cole
Charles Browne b. 1884, Lyne, Chertsey m. Gertrude Bishop
Welcome Robin Victor b. 1887 m. Trot Ballard
William George Christian b. 1889 m. Gladys ?
George Harry b. 1891 d. as child
Edward Albert b. 1893, Thames Ditton (my grandfather) m. Phyliss Maud Parr
Roseina Adelaide Jane, b. 1894 m. William Hill
Alfred James Walter b. 1896 d. 1900
Ivy Florence Sabina b. 1898 m. James Wyeth
Cecil Baden Powell b. 1900 d. 1900
My cousins (from the UK, and so-many-times-removed) are trying to find the
ancestors (got that right I think?) of William and Ann. We have found that
there were so many Cheeseman's in Surrey at that time that it is difficult
to ascertain who belongs to whom.
But hopefully persistance will pay off. Oral history states that someone
came from the Kent area, but wether that was the Cheeseman side or not is up
for grabs.
We obviously are newer than you are at this hence have not gone back as far.
Lets hope we can come up with something soon.
I hope this helps you try and decipher them. I guess that my William and Ann
Cheeseman are related at some level.
By the by was Welcome a common name in that era? I'd never heard of it.
Shalom
Theresa
In a message dated 5/9/01 9:50:27 AM !!!First Boot!!!,
thewilson(a)dingoblue.net.au writes:
<< Do you have William and Ann's marriage certificate but it is dated 1855? I
have this one but am not sure if it fits in with the family.
I did see that Ann Cheeseman lived with Adeleine Spellor on the 1881 census
as a neighbour to Charles Cheesman >>
I don't see that any certificate for them dated 1855 could be good since they
started having children in 1835 through 1852 which is one of my grandmothers.
As far as I have, Ann CHEESEMAN's siblings are as follows:
Mary Aug 17 1810 Chertsey father labourer
Mercy Nov 25 1812 " while sgl. had Maria Nash C
Dec 30, 1831
Ann Dec 10 1816 " = Willm ThomasCHEESMUR
William Aug. 1, 1819 = Harriett Howard Apr 15 1843
Harriett Dec 3 1822 = Robert Kail July 17 1847
Maria Feb 19 1824 = James Barlow Dec 15 1849
Stephen Mar 16 1826 = Sarah Hone Apr 11 1847
Elizabeth Mar 25 1831
Richard Jan 27 1833 = Lucy Chipping May 10 1856
Susanna Nov 1 1835 who had George CHEESMUR while
single Dec 15 1853 and who died 8 days later on Dec 23 1853
Stephen CHEESMAN and his wife, Ann GRAY, lived at Chertsey Lane End in 1841,
both 50 yrs old
They lived at Bosley's House, Chertsey in 1851 with dau Susanna age15
I show them living in Addlestone in 1861 but his age shows 76, and that he
was born in South Ditton. He was living with Dau Harriett Kail/Hail age
33.........wrong age if she is the dau that married Robt in 1847, cause that
Harriett was born 1822 and would be 39 in 1861.......but it shows grandson
Edwin 11 and Eleanor 10 scholars.
If this above entry for 1861 is the right one, then South Ditton is good for
I show "a" Stephen CHEESMAN bap to an Edward CHEESMAN in Long Ditton &
Talworth, Surrey on Mar 29 1789 which would make him "about" the correct age.
As you know, I have all of Ann and William Thomas CHEESMUR's children except
the one you have.
I have all the children for William CHEESMAN and Harriett HOWARD
He had 12 children and remarried sometime to a "Frances" by the time of the
1871 census. I have them in the 1841, 51, 61 and 71 census
I have Harriett CHEESMAN at home age 20 with parents in 1841
and with her husband in 1851, and with her father in 1861
I have Stephen CHEESMAN at home age 16 in 1841, with wife and son Samuel age
8 mos in 1851, and in 1871 with his wife and son Frederick age 16 and dau
Mary age 11.
Frederick = Mary Ann MATHEWS July 14 1877
Mary = Charles DENNY April 24 1880
I have Richard CHEESMAN (also son of Stephen C and Ann G) along with his Lucy
Chipping and their 12 children.
Wow, got excited there for an instant for one of THEIR children is a Charles,
but he was born Oct. 19 1866 and married Eliza Ann Doe in Ottershaw on Nov 19
1892 so he couldn't be Ann's neighbour could he?
Charles and Jane Emily had 11 children of which I have most of their
ancestors.
Do you actually mean most of their ancestors OR descendents? And why do you
have them? Do you or DID you think they were relatives?
They may be, but not so far as my records show..........as you can see.
Richard and Lucy 's son Charles , born 1866, = Eliza Ann DOE, dau of John D.
and the marriage witnessed by Alfred and Harriett CHEESMAN, his brother and
sister. They had Alice Maud on May 6 1894 and Gertrude Annie June 2 1895.
Now, I have a record of an "Edward CHEESMAN" (parents unknown) who married
Sarah MOORE in Byfleet, Surrey June 3 1805 and had eleven children whose
names and baptism dates I have. No Charles however, but that's not to say
one of their 5 sons did not. All their children were Baptised in Chertsey
......And Edward was a brickmaker, the same as William Thomas CHEESMUR and
Stephen CHEESMAN.
It is likely that Edward was Stephen's brother or at least a close cousin.
Okay, I'm too old to figure out in the middle of the night, exactly what
relation we are to each other.
Obviously your ggg grandparents were Ann CHEESMAN and William Thomas CHEESMUR
and they were my gg grandparents........you are on the same line as my two
sons. So what number of cousins does that make my sons and you and you and I?
Hope all those reading these posts are enjoying this!
Stephen G. Cooper
P.S. I would like to collect all those ancestors (if that's what you have)
and/or descendants for my genealogy and of course in exchange for what I have
for you.
Hi Stephen,
Do you have William and Ann's marriage certificate but it is dated 1855? I have this one but am not sure if it fits in with the family.
I did see that Ann Cheeseman lived with Adeleine Spellor on the 1881 census as a neighbour to Charles Cheesman (without the e), wife and son (this is my gggrandfather). Charles and Jane Emily had 11 children of which I have most of their ancestors.
We would be hard pushed to find 2 William Cheesemans married to 2 Ann Cheesemans?????????????? With respective parents of Thomas and Stephen????
Let me know what you think.
Shalom
Theresa
To JGlanville or Stephen Clarke,
I've got confused here who had the below info.
Does that mean that your William Cheeseman and Ann Cheeseman that are my
(?)ggggrandparents are the same?
William's father was Thomas Cheeseman and Ann's father was Stephen
Cheeseman, all from Molesey Surrey. Their son was Charles Cheeseman born
1856.
Shalom
Theresa
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Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 5:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Cheeseman-UK] Chees(e)man interests posted
> In a message dated 5/5/01 10:52:48 PM !!!First Boot!!!,
> JGlanville(a)compuserve.com writes:
>
> << jglanville(a)compuserve.com >>
> all my Cheesemans seem to come from Chertsey, Surrey........zillions of
'em.
> Brickmakers mostly but the farthest back ran a beerhouse in Lyne, Surrey
in
> 1851 with his wife Frances while they were 64 and 65 respectively. Their
son
> William Thomas was born May 13, 1806 in Chertsey and he (being a Cheesmur)
> married Ann Cheeseman whose parents were Stephen Cheeseman and Ann Gray
whose
> parents were Henry and Mary. I have records of most children and
descendants
> of these families.
>
> Stephen C ooper
>
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In a message dated 5/9/01 3:40:06 AM !!!First Boot!!!,
thewilson(a)dingoblue.net.au writes:
<< William's father was Thomas Cheeseman and Ann's father was Stephen
Cheeseman, all from Molesey Surrey. Their son was Charles Cheeseman born
1856.
Shalom
Theresa >>
It sure looks like we may have a winner.
My record of William Thomas CHEESMUR and Ann CHEESEMAN is that they had the
following children:
Frances circa 1835 and named for William's mother
William Stephen bap. Jan 7 1837 Brox while William was a labourer
Ann c 1839 = William Light on 12-24-1871
Thomas Edward born Apr 17 1840 Lyne midwife Frances CHEESMUR
Celia c 1843 Lyne, Chertsey, Surrey
Walter c 1845 "
Christian c Mar 1848 "
Sarah Emma (Emily) May 19 1850 " William was a brickmaker
Adelaide (Adeline) Elizabeth Apr 20, 1852 Lyne "
Ann was living with Sidney Speller (my G grandfather) and his wife Adeline in
East Molesey (sch 219) at time of the 1881 census along with grandchildren;
Christian 7, Mabel 5, Jessie 3, Edwin 1 and Percy 6mos.
6 mos old Percy is my mother's father.
Bit of interesting family stuff is: Sarah (Adeline's sister) married Charles
Eggleton and, among other children, had Beatrice Emily who married her first
cousin Percy and begot my mother Doris Speller.
So you see, my records don't show any son named Charles born in 1856 but
that's only 4 years after Adeline so why not?
Hope to hear more from you Theresa
Stephen G. Cooper, son of
Doris Speller dau of
Percy Walter SPELLER son of
Sidney SPELLER and Adeline Elizabeth CHEESMUR dau of
William Thomas CHEESMUR son of
Thomas CHEESMUR and Frances ? he possibly the son of Edward and Mary
CHEESMUR born 1787 in Kingston, Surrey
William's wife Ann CHEESMAN was the dau of
Stephen CHEESMAN and Ann GRAY
Ann GRAY was born to Henry and Mary GRAY in Chertsey on Feb 19, 1790 while
Stephen CHEESMAN may be the one born Mar 29, 1789 in Long Ditton to Edward
and Mary CHEESMAN.
wITH any luck, we are related and you have the info I have spent 20 plus
years looking for that will get me back earlier than the 1790s.
Sincerely
Stephen G. Cooper
In a message dated 5/5/01 10:52:48 PM !!!First Boot!!!,
JGlanville(a)compuserve.com writes:
<< jglanville(a)compuserve.com >>
all my Cheesemans seem to come from Chertsey, Surrey........zillions of 'em.
Brickmakers mostly but the farthest back ran a beerhouse in Lyne, Surrey in
1851 with his wife Frances while they were 64 and 65 respectively. Their son
William Thomas was born May 13, 1806 in Chertsey and he (being a Cheesmur)
married Ann Cheeseman whose parents were Stephen Cheeseman and Ann Gray whose
parents were Henry and Mary. I have records of most children and descendants
of these families.
Stephen C ooper
In a message dated 5/5/01 1:50:05 AM !!!First Boot!!!,
forever_fossicking(a)bigpond.com writes:
<< he Second marriage and subsequent early death has made this
branch difficult to trace. William b 1780-1810? and son
Edward b c1836 may have been from Kent or Sussex or Surrey
where Brickmaking Cheeseman families were known. Does any
of this sound familiar to anyone.
Anyone got possible candidates in their family lines for
William and Edward?
>>
Sorry about this, but my Cheesemans are from the right era and brickmakers
too but no Fredericks appear in the families.
Closest is Thomas Edward born April 17, 1840 in Lyne to Ann Cheeseman and her
husband William Thomas Cheesmur, brickmaker.
I also have an Edward Cheeseman born Dec. 31, 1815 in Weybridge to Edward
Cheesman, brickmaker and his wife Sarah Moore who were married in Byfleet
June 3, 1805.
Sorry 'bout that.
Stephen G. Cooper
Santa Cruz, CAlifornia
Here's hoping this connects with someone else's research
Henry CHEESMAN, b. between 1651 and 1671, d. after 10 Jun 1696
+Anne CHARLWOOD, b. between 1656 and 1672, m. 25 Jun 1691 Ardingly, SSX,
d. after 10 Jun 1696
+-- Henry CHEESMAN, bap. 28 Mar 1692 Slaugham, SSX, d. Jun 1763
¦ +Anne FOORD, b. between 1682 and 1692, m. 1712, d. after 16 May 1722
¦ +-- George CHEESMAN, bap. 10 Apr 1716 Nuthurst, SSX
¦ +-- Edward CHEESMAN, bap. 17 Feb 1717 Nuthurst, SSX
¦ +-- Mary CHEESMAN, bap. 09 Dec 1718 Nuthurst, SSX
¦ +-- Ann CHEESMAN, bap. 29 May 1721 Nuthurst, SSX
¦ +-- Robert CHEESMAN, bap. 16 May 1722 Nuthurst, SSX, d. Apr 1800
¦ +Elizabeth LINFIELD, b. 07 Apr 1717 Nuthurst, SSX, m. 24 Dec 1745
Nuthurst, SSX, d. after 21 Mar 1756
¦ +-- Henry CHEESMAN, b. before 10 Aug 1746, d. Aug 1746
¦ +-- Betty CHEESMAN, bap. 19 Jan 1748 Nuthurst, SSX
¦ +-- Mary CHEESMAN, bap. 11 Nov 1750 Nuthurst, SSX, d. Sep 1755
¦ +-- Robert CHEESMAN, bap. 21 Mar 1756 Nuthurst, SSX, d. Apr 1831
¦ +Elizabeth FRANCES, bap. 22 Jan 1763 Burton, SSX, m. 04 Jun
1782 Nuthurst, SSX, d. after 1828
¦ +-- John CHEESMAN, bap. 03 Nov 1782 West Grinstead, SSX
¦ +-- Mary CHEESMAN, bap. 07 Nov 1784 West Grinstead, SSX
¦ +-- Robert CHEESMAN, bap. 01 Jul 1787 West Grinstead, SSX
¦ +-- George CHEESMAN, bap. 13 Aug 1789 West Grinstead, SSX
¦ +-- Sarah CHEESMAN, b. 1791 Nuthurst, SSX
¦ +-- Elizabeth CHEESMAN, bap. 24 Dec 1793 West Grinstead, SSX
¦ +-- Catherine CHEESMAN, bap. 29 Nov 1795 West Grinstead, SSX
¦ +-- Ann CHEESMAN, bap. 04 Sep 1798 West Grinstead, SSX
¦ +-- William CHEESMAN, b. 1802 Horsham, SSX, d. Nov 1879
Speldhurst, KEN
¦ ¦ +Mary Ann SPINKS, b. between 1802 and 1803 not KEN, m. 22
Feb 1825 Fulham, MDX, d. 16 Aug 1849 reg'd Tonbridge, KEN
¦ ¦ +-- Robert James CHEESMAN, b. between 1825 and 1826
Fulham, MDX
¦ ¦ +-- George CHEESMAN, b. between 1828 and 1829 KEN
¦ ¦ +-- Henry CHEESMAN, b. between 1830 and 1831 probably
Speldhurst, KEN
¦ ¦ +-- Ann CHEESMAN, b. between 1830 and 1831 Speldhurst, KEN
¦ ¦ +-- Charles CHEESMAN, b. between 1833 and 1834 Speldhurst,
KEN, d. after 1881
¦ ¦ ¦ +Sarah READ, b. 1828 Brothertoft, LIN, m. between 1851
and 1868, d. after 1881
¦ ¦ ¦ +-- William CHEESMAN, b. 21 Apr 1868 Penge, SRY
¦ ¦ ¦ +-- Charles CHEESMAN, b. circa Aug 1871 Penge, SRY, d.
after 1881
¦ ¦ +-- Frederick CHEESMAN, b. 1834 Speldhurst / Tun Wells,
KEN, d. 16 Feb 1919 Croydon, SRY
¦ ¦ ¦ +Elizabeth ROBINSON, chr. 04 Aug 1841 Lewes, SSX, m.
22 Mar 1863 Penge, SRY, d. 1918
¦ ¦ ¦ +-- Frederick William CHEESMAN, b. circa Jan 1864
reg'd Croydon, SRY, d. circa Feb 1950 reg'd Horsham, SSX
¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ +Sally (--?--), b. between 1854 and 1874, m. after
1884
¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ +-- Bessie CHEESMAN, b. after 1885
¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ +-- May CHEESMAN
¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ +-- William CHEESMAN
¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ +-- male CHEESMAN
¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ +Alice Maud COOPER, b. between 1879 and 1880, m.
16 Sep 1919 Bayswater, London, d. after 1954
¦ ¦ ¦ +-- Arthur George Charles CHEESMAN, chr. 26 Nov 1865
Penge, SRY
¦ ¦ ¦ +-- George Luke CHEESMAN, b. circa May 1868 reg'd
Croydon, SRY, d. before 06 Feb 1926
¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ +Mina GORDON, b. between 1866 and 1868, m. 16 Jul
1892 Croydon, SRY
¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ +-- Stanley Richard CHEESMAN, b. 06 Nov 1901 reg'd
Croydon, SRY, d. circa Nov 1971 Croydon, SRY
¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ +Mary BRADLEY, b. circa Feb 1899 reg'd
Croydon, SRY, m. 06 Feb 1926 Croydon, SRY
¦ ¦ ¦ +-- Elizabeth Josephine CHEESMAN, b. 28 Oct 1870 South
Norwood, SRY, d. 15 Nov 1957 reg'd Thanet, KEN
¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ +William Henry THOMAS, b. between 1865 and 1866,
m. 26 Jun 1892 Selhurst, SRY, d. circa May 1940 reg'd Croydon, SRY
¦ ¦ ¦ +-- Harry CHEESMAN, b. circa Feb 1873 Croydon, SRY, d.
15 Nov 1946 reg'd Surrey Mid E (Epsom), SRY
¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ +Emma Louisa BLUNT, b. circa Aug 1874 reg'd Thame,
BCK, m. circa Aug 1898 reg'd Croydon, SRY, d. Dec 1945 reg'd Croydon, SRY
¦ ¦ ¦ +-- William CHEESMAN, b. 16 May 1875 Croydon, SRY, d.
10 Nov 1957 Crawley, SSX
¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ +Rose Alice ONGLEY, b. 16 Feb 1879 West Green,
Ifield, SSX, m. 25 Dec 1898 Belvedere, KEN, d. 08 Oct 1967 Brighton, SSX
¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ +-- Rose Alice Theodosia CHEESMAN, b. 07 Dec 1899
Croydon, SRY, d. 23 Jun 1986 Carshalton, SRY
¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ +Alan Alfred GOFF, b. 26 May 1901 Dulwich,
London, m. 12 Sep 1928 Ifield, SSX, d. 06 Jun 1975 Brighton, SSX
¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ +-- William Charles CHEESMAN, b. circa Aug 1904
reg'd Dartford, KEN, d. circa Feb 1951 Fleet, HAM
¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ +Ida Henrietta BOUSFIELD, b. 19 Jun 1904
Stone, KEN, m. 28 May 1941 reg'd Dartford, KEN, d. before 1997
¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ +-- Living CHEESMAN, b. 16 Jan 1907 Dartford, KEN
¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ +-- Daisy Mary CHEESMAN, b. 03 Jan 1911 Erith,
Dartford, KEN, d. circa Feb 1957 Redhill, SRY
¦ ¦ ¦ +-- Albert Edward CHEESMAN, b. circa Aug 1877 Croydon,
SRY
¦ ¦ +-- William CHEESMAN, b. between 1835 and 1836 Speldhurst,
KEN
¦ ¦ +-- Betsy CHEESMAN, b. between 1838 and 1839 Speldhurst,
KEN
¦ ¦ +-- Edward CHEESMAN, b. 26 Jan 1839 Speldhurst, KEN, d.
after 1881
¦ ¦ ¦ +Ellen LINDFIELD, b. circa Nov 1840 Maidstone, KEN, m.
30 May 1859 Tonbridge, KEN, d. after 1881
¦ ¦ ¦ +-- Ada Alice CHEESMAN, b. circa May 1864 Uckfield,
SSX, d. after 1881
¦ ¦ ¦ +-- Edward John CHEESMAN, b. 18 Sep 1865 Penge, SRY
¦ ¦ +-- John CHEESMAN, b. circa Aug 1841 Speldhurst, KEN
¦ ¦ +-- William CHEESMAN, bap. 15 Jul 1827 Fulham, MDX, d.
1827 Fulham, MDX
¦ ¦ +-- Aaron CHEESMAN, b. 08 Dec 1845 Speldhurst, KEN, d. Oct
1927 reg'd Godestone, SRY
¦ ¦ +Emma AKERS, b. 16 Feb 1843 Fulham, MDX, m. 24 Jan
1867 Brighton, SSX, d. after 1883
¦ ¦ +-- Alfred Harry CHEESMAN, b. 28 Dec 1868 Brighton,
SSX, d. after 1950 Torquay, DEV
¦ ¦ ¦ +female (--?--), m. after 1888
¦ ¦ +-- Elizabeth Annie M. CHEESMAN, b. circa Feb 1872
Norwood, SRY, d. after 1881
¦ ¦ +-- Lilly Kate CHEESMAN, b. circa Feb 1874 Norwood,
SRY, d. after 1881
¦ ¦ +-- Arthur CHEESMAN, b. between 1876 and 1877
Woodgreen, MDX, d. after 1881
¦ ¦ +-- Nellie CHEESMAN, b. between 1878 and 1879 Peckham,
SRY, d. after 1881
¦ ¦ +-- Herbert John CHEESMAN, b. 08 Apr 1883 Camberwell,
SRY, d. Oct 1940 reg'd Hendon, MDX
¦ ¦ +Edith Blanche PAYNTER, b. 19 Apr 1880 Paignton,
DEV, m. 02 Jun 1907 London
¦ ¦ +-- Edward Paynter CHEESMAN, b. 25 Oct 1908
Paignton, DEV, d. 03 Sep 1963 Torquay, DEV
¦ +-- Lucy CHEESMAN, bap. 14 Jan 1805 West Grinstead, SSX
¦ +-- Frances CHEESMAN, bap. 02 Mar 1806 West Grinstead, SSX
+-- Edward CHEESMAN, bap. 10 Jun 1696 Nuthurst, SSX
Regards
Jay
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Frank of 20 Richmond St, St Lukes died on the 7th Nov 1915 and his widow was
named as Sara Jane. Information from family (contact now lost) said that he
was aged 37/38 when he died which means that he should have been listed on
the 1881 Census but I have been unable to find him.
Is there anyone out there who has easy access to the 1891 C who would be
kind enough to check the St Lukes/Clerkenwell areas for any likely family,
probably with a 'printing' connection (see my other posting)
Many thanks
Margaret Parkes
Hi everyone I am still completely stuck with my CHEESEMAN family.
Anne Sarah was born 1838 at 3 Waterloo Pl, Clerkenwell - parents William,
printer's warehouseman & Mary. I hoped to find them there in the1841 Census
but did not - I wasn't sure if I had missed them but have just had a look at
the Censearch fiche and cannot find them on that.
In the 1881 C there is a William aged 50, printer (with wife & family)
living in the same neighbourhood at Corporation Row, Clerkenwell and another
younger William 25 (?son) printer at Lever St, St Lukes.
If any one has kept any sort of database of CHEES(E)MANs they have found in
various places I would be grateful if they could do a check for me please.
Regards
Margaret Parkes
Surprisingly though I have traced many of my family
branches back to the 1500's and 1600's, my family surname
line is my brick wall.
My ancestor William Cheeseman as listed on his sons
1878 marriage certificate was a Bricklayer probably
born circa 1780-1810.
His son my 2 x great grandfather Edward Frederick
Cheeseman based on age on 1881 death certificate
was born circa 1836. He was a Gasfitter in 1878,
had married before stated as a widower in 1878
marriage certificate.
I have no idea who he was married to first or if
he had any children but they may have been all
grown up by then anyway.
When he married again, it was at Notting Hill,
Kensington London in 1878 to Catherine A. Brown.
>From this marriage they had children Catherine
Eliza Francis Cheeseman b 1878 and Edward Frederick
Cheeseman b 1881.
Edward F Cheeseman Snr died early in 1881 from
Typhoid while his wife was only a month or two
pregnant. I found his widow Catherine A Cheeseman
and daughter Catherine E.F. Cheeseman in the 1881
Census under the incorrectly spelt name Charman
which was taken from Catherine's occupation of
Charwoman (Domestic Servant). It looks as if the
Enumerator stuffed up the entry.
Later that year at the same address my great grandfather
was born named after his father Edward Frederick Cheeseman.
In 1883 Catherine remarried to William Henry Samuels.
Had two more sons before travelling with her family to
Western Australia. William the son of an Army Captain
at Kensington palace, had been offered a job as a warder
in Western Australia. This according to family tradition
was why they left England.
The Second marriage and subsequent early death has made this
branch difficult to trace. William b 1780-1810? and son
Edward b c1836 may have been from Kent or Sussex or Surrey
where Brickmaking Cheeseman families were known. Does any
of this sound familiar to anyone.
Anyone got possible candidates in their family lines for
William and Edward?
regards
Michael Cheeseman
List Administrator
G'day listers
I have had a number of queries directly and a few posted
to some lists recently about the lists going very quiet.
It is up to members on the list to post details about the
families you are researching. No one can know who you are
researching by sitting on the fence. If you are new to the
list or have been on it for a while, I encourage
you to introduce yourself and your research interests.
You may know others are researching the same family on the
list. If they have been the main one sending queries we
would still like to hear from others as well.
Dont post just a list of surnames or vague info with no
dates or area. These are usually ignored by most listers
especially experienced ones. But if you dont know something,
ASK. No question is too stupid, only those not asked.
Replies in the main to queries are hopefully being done
back to the lists. This often helps generate other
questions and replies. It is not common to find a cousin
on lists so you should not expect to. If you do find a
cousin researching the same family, great. Replies back
to the list can help other researchers not just the person
asking the question.
A friendly reminder. These lists are for PRIVATE RESEARCH
PURPOSES ONLY. If someone shares their research notes on
list or off list with you. That person still has copyright
ownership of the info and the message.
If anyone on list is a pro researcher or going to write a
book about their family. Put details on a Website or
send info to a commercial site such as Ancestry.com,
Family History.com or sending it to the LDS you must get
permission from the person you got the info from before
you do so.
Lastly please keep your queries relevant to the list you
are on. So lets get chatting and keep the messages friendly.
Everyone is still learning including me.
Happy Hunting
regards
Michael Cheeseman
List administrator
BUNTER, CHAPPEL, CHAPPLE, CHANT, CHEESEMAN-UK,
CORNWALL ( Surname not county), CROXFORD, DOGGETT,
FREEBODY, HANCHARD, LARK, LARKE, MUDFORD, SAMUELS,
SARGEANT, THOMAS-UK, TOMLINSON
Hi all:
Yes, it has been quiet. My CHEESEMAN's are my brick wall. My great
grandfatherThomas William says he was born in 1843 in Denton. I'm assuming
it's the one near Dover as he married Elizabeth GOODBAN from East Langdon,
very close to Denton. They married October 13, 1866 in Waldershare.
Thomas' father was William, labourer.
Thomas and Elizabeth went on to have 8 children all born around the
Waldershare, Eythorne areas:
William George born 1867, Eliza Ann born 1868, John Edward born 1870, Louisa
born 1873, Thomas George born 1875, Clara born 1877 (my grandmother), Alice
born 1879 and George born 1880
I cannot find my Thomas' birth registration, nor can I find him and family
in the 1851 or 1871 census's.
I'd love to hear from anyone with even a remote connection!
Linda, Canada
Your right Michael! I was thinking how quiet the CHEESEMAN list was but
realised that I hadn't stuck in my five-pennorth - that's showing my age!
My CHEESEMAN is Sarah ch.1802 in East Horsley Surrey who married Henry
FREELOVE 1823 in Abinger. Her father was Abraham CHEESEMAN b 1777 in
Ticehurst Sussex who married Mary EDWARDS 1798 in Ticehurst
I'd love to hear from anyone who has any info to share
Good Luck to the list!
Kay
Now living on the beautiful Isle of Anglesey in North Wales
Why not visit my site at: http://www.geocities.com/kayhitchen/index.htm
Researching: FREELOVE (wherever they may be in UK) and BUNGARD, CHEESEMAN,
COE, COOPER, DEAN, ELLIOTT, ERRIT, FAITHFUL, FULK, JAMES, JELLY, LANDREGAN,
LUFF, MAIDMAN,RAPLEY, TULLETT and WILSON all in Surrey or Sussex HITCHEN
(Lancs.)
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Cheeseman <forever_fossicking(a)bigpond.com>
To: <CHEESEMAN-UK-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 12:45 PM
Subject: [Cheeseman-UK] Lists quiet
> G'day listers
>
> I have had a number of queries directly and a few posted
> to some lists recently about the lists going very quiet.
>
> It is up to members on the list to post details about the
> families you are researching. No one can know who you are
> researching by sitting on the fence. If you are new to the
> list or have been on it for a while, I encourage
> you to introduce yourself and your research interests.
>
> You may know others are researching the same family on the
> list. If they have been the main one sending queries we
> would still like to hear from others as well.
>
> Dont post just a list of surnames or vague info with no
> dates or area. These are usually ignored by most listers
> especially experienced ones. But if you dont know something,
> ASK. No question is too stupid, only those not asked.
>
> Replies in the main to queries are hopefully being done
> back to the lists. This often helps generate other
> questions and replies. It is not common to find a cousin
> on lists so you should not expect to. If you do find a
> cousin researching the same family, great. Replies back
> to the list can help other researchers not just the person
> asking the question.
>
> A friendly reminder. These lists are for PRIVATE RESEARCH
> PURPOSES ONLY. If someone shares their research notes on
> list or off list with you. That person still has copyright
> ownership of the info and the message.
>
> If anyone on list is a pro researcher or going to write a
> book about their family. Put details on a Website or
> send info to a commercial site such as Ancestry.com,
> Family History.com or sending it to the LDS you must get
> permission from the person you got the info from before
> you do so.
>
> Lastly please keep your queries relevant to the list you
> are on. So lets get chatting and keep the messages friendly.
> Everyone is still learning including me.
>
> Happy Hunting
>
> regards
>
> Michael Cheeseman
> List administrator
> BUNTER, CHAPPEL, CHAPPLE, CHANT, CHEESEMAN-UK,
> CORNWALL ( Surname not county), CROXFORD, DOGGETT,
> FREEBODY, HANCHARD, LARK, LARKE, MUDFORD, SAMUELS,
> SARGEANT, THOMAS-UK, TOMLINSON
>
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My apologies, William Cheesman was transported to
Tasmania in 1820, not 1920!
Regards
Julie
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Hi to all
I have a William CHEESMAN/CHEESEMAN who I am hoping is
my great great grandfather.
He was a convict sent to Tasmania (Van Diemen's Land
in those days) on board the 'Guildford' in 1920. He
was about 18 years old, so born about 1802. Convict
records state he was from Sheerness. He married Eliza
Kennedy in Tasmania in 1836. (If I've got the right
man!)
Does anyone have William in their family tree?
Regards
Julie
Auckland, New Zealand
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