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Hi everybody!
Sorry I've been quiet for a whilw I've been off line due to 'phone line problems. Here is part of the information I promised in my rollcall. These are the entries in the 1841 census returns for Yalding where my Cheeseman ancestors come from. There are many Cheesemans in this list who are not in my family but they may be of intereset to others! If anyone wants more details le tme know - may be able to pick up more on my next visit to the Family Records Centre in London.
If this goes through OK I'll send more.
Census Returns for Yalding 1841 PRO Piece number 464
book
folio
page
parish
place
surname
forname
sex
age
profession
born this county
8
18
8
Yalding
Bellany
Cheesman
William
m
39
farmer
y
elizabeth
f
41
y
Humphrey
m
21
y
Daniel William
m
14
y
8
19
10
Yalding
Mile Ham
Cheesman
Henry
m
36
Agricultural labourer
y
Elizabeth
f
37
y
Henry
m
15
y
Thomas
m
8
y
William
m
5
y
Elizabeth
f
2
y
8
29
9
Yalding
Sprech
Cheesman
Sarah
f
37
y
George
m
14
y
Mary
f
12
y
Eliza
f
11
y
Francis
f
9
y
Charles
m
7
y
Mary Ann
f
5
y
8
38
2
Yalding
The Village
Cheesman
John
m
60
y
Elizabeth
f
60
y
Jane
f
15
y
8
43
11
Yalding
Lock Lane
Cheesman
Mary
f
45
illegible
n
Edward
m
15
Agricultural labourer
y
Robert
m
13
Agricultural Labourer
y
Elizabeth
f
12
y
William
m
11
y
Harriett
f
9
y
Alfred
m
7
y
Emily
f
4
y
8
44
14
Yalding
The Village
Cheesman
William
m
50
Agricultural Labourer
y
Elizabeth
f
60
y
Richard
m
20
y
I was just sent this info. It may help someone.
Anyone else welcome to post Cheeseman details
regardless of if it's your family or not.
Parish records, census etc. regards Michael
Marriages in Parish Church, Faversham
25.12.1875
Thos.Jemmett (22) lab. Londs?Pl. John/painter
Emma Frances Cheesman (19) Well Lane James/lab
(Eliza Annie Jemmett witness)
Baptisms at St.Marys, Faversham
7.6.1874 Alfred George George & Mary Elizabeth Alfred Place Lab.
24.12.1876 Eliza Ann Elizabeth George Alfred & Mary Eliz. 4 Alfred Place
Labourer
27.2.1878 William Henry Henry & Winifred West St. Grocer
19.5.1878 William Richard Alfred George & Mary Eliz. Davington Labourer
16.11.1879 Ernest George George & Eliza Ann Abbey Brickfields Lab.
1.5.1881 Winifred Ethel George & Eliza Ann Abbey Brickfields Lab.
25.6.1882 Clara Sarah Rachel Alfred George & Mary Eliz. 13 Davington Rd
Lab.
20.8.1882 Christiana George & Eliza Anne 4 Abbey Brickfields Lab.
24.4.1887 Kate Rebecca George & Mary 15 Priory Rd,Preston Lab.
4.1.1894 Bertha John & Sarah Jane Abbey St. Grocer
1.4.1894 George Edison George & Ellen Cheesman Chapel St. Brickmaker
24.12.1897 Sarah Emily Alfred George & Sarah Emily Davington Stoker RN
Brents Church
16.8.1882 Lilian Emily Henry & Winifred 117 West Street Grocer
bn.22.7.82
14.4.1889 Flossie Emily George & Mary Priory Road Labourer
bn.20.2.89
26.4.1891 James Henry George & Mary Priory Road Labourer
bn.21.2.91
28.1.1894 Albert Ernest George Alfred & Mary Eliz. Priory Road Labourer
bn.1.12.93
1861 CENSUS FAVERSHAM
Brickfields
Jas. Cheeseman hd m 36 brick temperer
Eliza w m 33 Munton
Wm. W son 13 brick lab.
Geo.A son 10 barrow loader
Jane dau 9
Caroli? Dau 6
Frances E. Dau 5 Bapchild
Thomas T. Son 3 mths Faversham
1871 Census Faversham - Cheeseman
3 Abbey Street
John Cheeseman hd m 25 grocer bn.Newington
Sarah Jane w m 26 Faversham
Ammy Ellis step-dau 7 scholar
Eliza Fuller m.-in-law wid 61 retired greengrocer
Charles Golding servant 15 grocers servant Whitstable
1 Well Lane
James Cheeseman hd m 52 lab.unemployed bn.Tong
Liza w m 43 Faversham
Jane dau 20 unemployed Milton
Alice dau 17 scholar
Emma dau 15 Tong
Thomas F. son 12 Faversham
Caroline A. dau 8
William G. son 2
George A.Cowel g/son 9 days?
2 Well Lane
Alfred G.Cheeseman hd m 21 lab.unemployed bn.Sittingbourne
Mary w m 19
24 West Street
George Cheeseman serv unm 15 bootmakers assist. Bn.Teynham
Nashes House
Alfred Cheeseman hd m 27 lab.powder works bn.Davington
Harriet w m 35 Reculver
Albert H. son 1 Davington
Ada M. dau 6 Davington
Sarah Jordan wifes mum wid 60 Chislet
Herbert Jordan wifes brother 20 lab.powder works Seasalter
3 East Street
Jane Cheeseman serv unm 39 gen.domestic bn.Isle of Sheppey
17 Wyther? Brick Field
Ann Cheeseman hd wid 49 bn.Hockley, Kent
George son 16 lab.in brickfield Kemsley
Martha dau 13 Sittingbourne
1871 census - Preston next Faversham
Nelson Street
John Cheeseman hd m 59 ag.lab bn.Throwley
Lucy w m 57 laundress Hernhill
Harriett Dennett sister wid 57 housekeeper Throwley
73 Preston Street
Sarah A.Cheeseman serv unm 20 bn.Throwley
Ospringe
Tyndale ? Bottom
Henry Cheeseman hd m 43 coachman bn.Throwley
Amelia w m 37 Stalisfield
Amelia dau 14 scholar Throwley
Dawsons Road
Timothy Cheeseman hd m 31 ag.lab bn.Bapchild
Eliza w m 27 Charing
Daniel son 5 Bapchild
Ellen dau 2 Ospringe
Eliza E. dau 8mths
Oare
Oare Street
Edward Cheeseman hd m 36 ag.lab bn.Borden
Ellen w m 45 Milton
David E. son 14 Bobbing
Elizabeth dau 10 Sheerness
Louisa dau 8 Milton
Walter G. son 6
Horace M.G. son 4
Luddenham
Ashes farm
Samuel Cheeseman hd wid 60 farm servant bn.Stalisfield
Oare Mill
Mary A.Cheeseman serv 6? Bn.Teynham
Conyer
Silvanus Button Hd m 50 blacksmith b. Portsmouth
Eliza Button ? b.Lambeth
Esther Cheesman dau wid. 23 shopkeeper b. Ramsgate
John Button son 21 blacksmith Ramsgate
Thomas Bishop son 20 mariner b. Conyer Kent
Jane Button dau 16 b. Ramsgate
James Bishop son 14 b. Conyer
Alfred Cheeseman g/son 3mths b. Faversham
I hear people are interested in a roll call, so I thought I'd add my little bit of information for the Cheeseman-uk list.
Charles Cheeseman married to Jane Emily Cheeseman (maiden name unknown), information found in a family bible.
Charles Cheeseman, father, born May 9 1856
Jane Emily Cheeseman, mother, born June 9 1862
Joseph Edward Charles, son, born 8 April 1880
Ann Esther Emily, dau, born 26 Sept 1882
Charles Browne, son, born 3 Nov 1884
Welcome Robin Victor, son, born 29 Mar 1887
William George Christian, son, born 17 Apr 1889
George Harrey, son, born, 12 Dec 1891
Edward Albert, son, born 20 Apr 1893 (my grandfather)
Roseina Adelaide Jane, dau, born 11 Aug 1894
Alfred James Watter (?Walter), son, born 7 July 1896
Ivy Florence, dau, 24 Apr 1898
Cicel BP (stands for Baden Powell), son, 10 Mar 1900
Other little notations in the bible suggest that some of these are deceased, but there is no date of when these notations occurred or when the info was sent to my grandfather.
Edward Albert Cheeseman married Phyliss Maud Parr ( born 27 May 1902) and they had 6 sons, most of whom are still alive, and live in the UK, my father is the only reprobate to leave the country.
Let me know if this helps other genealogists, and feed back would be appreciated.
Shalom
Theresa
Perth, Western Australia
CHEESMAN, Catherine Christening
Sex: Female
Christening Date: 23 Jul 1643 Recorded in: Horsmonden, Kent, England
Father: Henry CHEESMAN
Mother: Catherine
Source: FHL Number 992521 Dates: 1558-1732
CHEESMAN, Catharine Christening
Sex: Female
Christening Date: 26 Jul 1646 Recorded in: Horsmonden, Kent, England
Father: Henry CHEESMAN
Mother: Catharine
Source: FHL Number 992521 Dates: 1558-1732
CHEESMAN, Judey Christening
Sex: Female
Christening Date: 25 Mar 1655 Recorded in: Gillingham, Kent, England
Father: Lewis CHEESMAN
Source: FHL Number 1042490 Dates: 1558-1812
CHEESMAN, John Christening
Sex: Male
Christening Date: 4 Feb 1660 Recorded in: Horsmonden, Kent, England
Father: John CHEESMAN
Mother: Bridget
Source: FHL Number 992521 Dates: 1558-1732
CHEESMAN, Elizabeth Christening
Sex: Female
Christening Date: 16 Jan 1660 Recorded in: Gillingham, Kent, England
Father: Lewis CHEESMAN
Source: FHL Number 1042490 Dates: 1558-1812
CHEESMAN, Anne Christening
Sex: Female
Christening Date: 23 May 1661 Recorded in: Horsmonden, Kent, England
Father: Henry CHEESMAN
Mother: Elizabeth
Source: FHL Number 992521 Dates: 1558-1732
CHEESMAN, Richard Christening
Sex: Male
Christening Date: 27 Mar 1663 Recorded in: Horsmonden, Kent, England
Father: John CHEESMAN
Mother: Bridget
Source: FHL Number 992521 Dates: 1558-1732
CHEESMAN, George Christening
Sex: Male
Christening Date: 31 May 1663 Recorded in: Horsmonden, Kent, England
Father: Henry CHEESMAN
Source: FHL Number 992521 Dates: 1558-1732
CHEESMAN, Robert Christening
Sex: Male
Christening Date: 2 Apr 1665 Recorded in: Hadlow, Kent, England
Father: Robert CHEESMAN
Source: FHL Number 992517 Dates: 1558-1800
CHEESMAN, Elizabeth Christening
Sex: Female
Christening Date: 25 Jun 1665 Recorded in: Horsmonden, Kent, England
Father: John CHEESMAN
Source: FHL Number 992521 Dates: 1558-1732
CHEESMAN, Elizabeth Christening
Sex: Female
Christening Date: 19 Feb 1665 Recorded in: Gillingham, Kent, England
Father: Lewis CHEESMAN
Source: FHL Number 1042490 Dates: 1558-1812
CHEESMAN, Ellen Christening
Sex: Female
Christening Date: 8 Dec 1666 Recorded in: Saint George, Gravesend, Kent,
England
Father: Will. CHEESMAN
Source: FHL Number 992465 Dates: 1650-1727
Regards
Michael Cheeseman
-----Original Message-----
From: John Jenner [mailto:john@jenner2.freeserve.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, 26 June 2000 5:31 AM
To: CHEESEMAN-UK-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [CHEESEMAN-UK] Roll Call
Hi everybody!
This is for the Roll Call
I am John Jenner the great Grandson of Elizabeth Cheeseman who married my
greatgrandfather, Ernest John Jenner (of Cranbrook, Kent) on 30th November
1897 in Sheerness before they both embarked for Hong Kong where my great
grandfather took up a posting as a sergeant in the Hong Kong and Singapore
Battalion. Ernest John died in Hong Kong on 26th October1900 just 9 months
after my grandfather was born.
Elizabeth Cheeseman was born 19th September 1870 in Lattingsford Street,
Yalding, Kent. She was the third child of William Thomas Cheeseman and Mary
Skinner. Williams second name "Thomas" only appears once in the records, on
Elizabeth's registry of birth. Elizabeth had two elder sisters Millicent (b.
1866) and Louisa (b.1868), a younger brother Henry (b.1875) and a younger
sister Agnes (b.1878).
William Thomas was also born in Yalding in 1836, the third child of Henry
Cheeseman and Elizabeth. He had two elder brothers, Henry (b.1826) and
Thomas (b.1833) and one younger sister Elizabeth (b.1839).
This is as far as I can go with my family so far - so I am sorry Micheal I
cannot give link to your family at present. I am interested in hearing from
anyone who thinks they may be descended from any of the above.
I also have a number of spurious entries in the census returns for the
yalding and Crabrook areas of Kent in the name of Cheeseman which I will
post as soon as I can gather them all together.
Regards,
John Jenner
Does anyone have any connections to Peter and Caroline, eldest daughter
Clara (Caroline) living in Nettlestead
in 1881, but originally from Wateringbury? Clara is my grandmother.
Any info would be appreciated. Thank you.
Linda, Ontario, Canada.
Greeting list
We have a new member looking for Kent
Cheeseman's. So I will repost the Kent
Cheeseman research interests.
If members have additional information
that could help on Cheeseman research
in the UK or new info for their line.
It may just help connect you to another
researcher on list.
Regards
Michael Cheeseman
In the 1881 census there is William 50, printer with his wife Esther 50 and
their sons George 20, paper ruler and James 13 living at Clerkenwell. There
is also a younger William 25, printer and his wife Eliza living at St Lukes,
67 Lever St. My knowledge of London is not sufficient to know how close
these addresses are?
See my posting about Ann Sarah to see why I feel these people are connected
but I need to be able to prove it. The 1841 census seems to be the key but
does anyone have any other suggestions?
Thanks
Margaret Parkes
My g-grandmother Ann Sarah CHEESEMAN was born on 10 Feb 1838 at 5 Waterloo
Place, Clerkenwell in the parish of St James. Her parents were William,
printer's warehouseman and Mary, formerly HARSTON.
I thought this would make them easy to find in the 1841 census, but I could
not find them at that address. As it was a film I viewed several years ago
when a 'newby' I feel that I should look at it again. However, before doing
so I thought I would try this list to see if any one has a connection with
this family, has an index to the 1841, or has anything on a database which
might help me.
Regards
Margaret Parkes
ps Annie's obit. stated that she emigrated to Australia with three sisters
but
I have only confirmed one of these, Jessie Maria who married Geo Clark
REDMAN in Aus. One sister marr. a SMITH and had sons Vernon, Frank & Sid in
Eng.
My grandmother used to correspond with her cousin in England but contact has
been lost with the family. He was Fred CHEESMAN a.k.a Fred Gwyn and 'Dimples
the clown' who lived at Harrow. His nephew Frank CHEESMAN was known as
Frank Norris and he was involved with entertaining the troops during the war
and later worked on cruise ships. Frank's wife Hylda had a Dancing School at
Ilford.
Other information I have gleaned from his old letters are that he had a
brothers Lewis, Alf (died in the Boer War), Frank and a sister Gertie.
Does anyone recognise this family?
I would love to hear from you.
Margaret Parkes
Has anyone heard of Frank CHEESEMAN who was a bandsman and musician? I
believe he was the brother of Ann Sarah b1838 and possibly the father of
Frank and Fred mentioned in my other postings.
Margaret Parkes
Margaret
As far as I know, no 1841 census records have
been indexed. Unless done by private individuals
and those are rare. Most people have concentrated
on 1851 and 1881 and a bit has been done on the
1891 census in some counties. Dorset is almost
complete so I have heard for 1891. Apparently the
1901 census will be put online but access will
incur a fee. Schedule for 2002 as I understand it.
If successful I would not be surprised if the others
get done as well. Unlike census indexes you will get
a full copy online of the entry as it appeared on the enumerators page.
Have you locate them in the 1851 census? From that
you would have rough idea of places of birth of any
other children and where a certificate was registered.
Also Ann's siblings birth certificates would provide
some clues. Trade directories may provide details of
William if the family moved business premises.
Not sure if the UK had Post Office Directories
and if so back then but they usually list
addresses under surname and first name. These
came out yearly here. Our census records were
destroyed and still are after the statistics
are gathered.
We are campaigning the govenment to change this
for the next one. So here we have to search many other alternative sources
such as Electrol Rolls etc
Others on the list may also have suggestions of other
sources which may help you.
regards
Michael Cheeseman
-----Original Message-----
From: M & P Parkes [mailto:m.p.parkes@xtra.co.nz]
Sent: Tuesday, 18 July 2000 12:10 PM
To: CHEESEMAN-UK-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [CHEESEMAN-UK] Ann Sarah b 1838 Clerkenwell
My g-grandmother Ann Sarah CHEESEMAN was born on 10 Feb 1838 at 5 Waterloo
Place, Clerkenwell in the parish of St James. Her parents were William,
printer's warehouseman and Mary, formerly HARSTON.
I thought this would make them easy to find in the 1841 census, but I could
not find them at that address. As it was a film I viewed several years ago
when a 'newby' I feel that I should look at it again. However, before doing
so I thought I would try this list to see if any one has a connection with
this family, has an index to the 1841, or has anything on a database which
might help me.
Regards
Margaret Parkes
ps Annie's obit. stated that she emigrated to Australia with three sisters
but
I have only confirmed one of these, Jessie Maria who married Geo Clark
REDMAN in Aus. One sister marr. a SMITH and had sons Vernon, Frank & Sid in
Eng.
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In my ancestry I have the following:
William Cheesmer d 10 Jun 1720, Rolvenden, Kent, Eng. He m Elizabeth Druery 23 Apr 1701 Rolvenden. She was chr. 7 Apr 1687 Rolvenden, daughter of Thomas Drury. Children of William and Elizabeth: William chr 12 Apr 1702 Rolvenden, d 5 Jun 1713, Rolvenden; Sander chr 29 Oct 1704 Rolvenden, m 9 Apr 1730 Rolvenden, Catharine Norris; Thomas Cheesmer chr 23 Feb 1706 Rolvenden; Mary Cheesmer chr 26 Feb 1709 Rolvenden, d 15 May 1721, Rolvenden; Samuel Chasmar b 25 Jan 1712 Rolvenden, d 14 Mar 1778 Benenden, Kent, m 5 Oct 1737 Staplehurst, Kent, Mary Willard; George Cheesmer chr 12 Jun 1712 Rolvenden, Kent, m 26 Jul 1736 Rolvenden, Ann Russell; Elizabeth Cheesmer chr 15 Jun 1718 Rolvenden, Kent, m 6 Nov 1740 Rolvenden, John Jury.
Samuel Chasmer/Chasmar b 25 Jan 1712 Rolvenden, Kent, d 14 Mar 1778, Benenden, Kent, bur 21 Mar 1778, Benenden, m 5 Oct 1737, Staplehurst, Kent, Mary Willard. Mary b ca 1711, d 29 Dec 1794, Benenden, Kent.
Children of Samuel and Mary:
Mary Chasmond bur 21 Dec 1807, Staplehurst, Kent, m 25 Sep 1757 Staplehurst, William Ingram; Anne Chasmar m James Jennings; Elizabeth Chasmar m 15 Apr 1762 Benenden, Kent, Joseph Couchman; Samuel Chasmar b 5 Nov 1744, m 29 Aug 1770, Benenden, Kent, Mary Colebrook; Charles Chasmar b 8 Oct 1746 Benenden, Kent, bur 9 Feb 1817 Benenden, m 5 Mar 1782 Sandhurst, Eng, Elizabeth Holland; Catherine Chasmar b 21 Dec 1748, m 4 Nov 1769 Benenden, Kent, William Saunter; Robert Chasmar b 1750 m 1 Aug 1774 Benenden, Kent, Abigail Hinkley; Sall Chasmar b 1753 m 17 Aug 1772 Benenden, Kent, James Hinkley; Thomas Chasmar b 27 Nov 1755, bur 9 Sep 1827 Benenden, Kent, m 21 Dec 1776, Benenden, Kent, Ann Primer; William Chasmar b 2 Feb 1758 Benenden, Kent, bur 4 May 1758, Benenden.
The line daughters out for me at this point as I descend from the Mary Chasmond who married William Ingram.
Iris Grimmett
irisg(a)proaxis.com
Forwarding message
-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Tisdall [mailto:tisdall@pacificrim.net]
Sent: Saturday, 15 April 2000 10:51 PM
To: michaelc(a)tower.net.au
Subject: Cheesman
Michael:
Here are the details:
Mary Matilda Cheesman made an inscription in a family bible as a birthday
gift to her daughter, Mary Matilda on her 21st birthday, 29 Oct 1852 and
she married Edwin Buss 2 days later.
Now per the legend, Mary Matilda Cheesman-Buss had a brother Edwin who was a
colonel and also had a sister, Eliza, who was widowed and then emigrated to
Australia where she married a Adams or Ridley and were horse racers.
The photographers of the Australian pictures were:
Albert Nichol, Sydney
Henry Muller, Ruthven St., Toowoomba
J. Watson, Queen St., Brisbane
J Herbert Newman, Oxford St., Hyde Park, Sydney
Freeman and Co., George St, Sydney
There are also lots of pictures from York, Chicago and plenty of Military
uniforms.
Rob
Forwarding message
-----Original Message-----
From: Linda Martin [mailto:lmmartin@home.com]
Sent: Monday, 13 December 1999 10:52 AM
To: michaelc(a)emerge.net.au
Subject: CHEESEMAN FAMILY
Hi Michael:
I saw your message on the Dorset list, but I'm interested in the
CHEESEMAN name from Kent, so I hope you don't mind me replying
personally.
Do you have any connections to Peter and Caroline, eldest daughter Clara
(Caroline) living in Nettlestead in 1881, but originally from
Wateringbury? Clara is my grandmother.
Any info would be appreciated. Thank you.
Linda, Ontario, Canada.
Forwrding Message
-----Original Message-----
From: Oobowls(a)aol.com [mailto:Oobowls@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 26 January 2000 7:41 AM
To: KENT-ENG-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Cheesmans in Kent
In a message dated 1/24/00 6:03:54 AM !!!First Boot!!!,
KENT-ENG-D-request(a)rootsweb.com writes:
<< Seeking William Cheeseman a Bricklayer >>
Well, today is my day to find bits to respond to :
I have strong connections to the CHEESMAN name but almost consistently from
Chertsey in Surrey.
However, the tie here, (if there is one) is that they were heavily into
BRICKMAKING!
Thomas CHEESMAN(MUR) = Frances ? and I have them in the 1841,51 and 61
censuses living in Lyne and 3 Barrows Hill, Chertsey. Their son William
Thomas C was born 13 May 1806 in Chertsey. He married Ann CHEESMAN who was
the daughter of Ann GRAY and Stephen CHEESMAN who was a "brickmaker".
William and Ann lived in Lyne also during 1841 and 1851 censuses but had
moved away by 1861. They had Frances 1835, William Stephen 1837, Ann 1839,
Thomas Edward 1840, Celia 1843, Walter 1845, Christian 1848, Sarah Emma
1850,
and Adelaide Elizabeth 1852.
At the time Sarah and Adelaide were born their father was a brickmaker.
Sarah and Adelaide were my maternal grandmothers because:
Sarah married Charles Eggleton 13 Oct 1867 and they had 5 children ending
with Beatrice Emily in 1882.
Adelaide married Sidney Speller 11 Aug 1873 and they had 7 children of which
Percy Walter was the 5th and born in 1880.
Beatrice married Percy 2 Jan 1904.
So you can see that I have a William CHEESMAN (UR) who was a brickmaker and
who was born 1806 and had 3 sons.
William Stephen married Maria ? and had Frances Wilkinson in 1855 in
Chertsey
and Clara Emma in 1862 and George Alfred in 1863 in Wexham, Bucks.
Thomas Edward lived in Chertsey during 1841, 1851 and 1861 census and had
moved by 1871.
Walter married Mary Howard 31 May 1868 and had Emily and Catharine Cecilia
and I don't know his trade and Cat. was born in Kingston?
Does any of this help? Is there a connection outside of the brickmaking
trade? I dunno. Do you?
Stephen George Cooper of Westcliff-on-Sea, Essex, son of
Alfred George Cooper of Halling, Kent, son of
Herbert Alfred Cooper of Beckenham, Kent, son of
Samuel Thomas Cooper of Gillingham, Kent, son of
Samuel James Cooper of Gillingham, Kent, son of
Richard Cooper and Elizabeth Kemp nee Fox of ?
Forwarding Message
-----Original Message-----
From: Lesley Durrant [mailto:lesleyd@arpac.ca]
Sent: Friday, 9 June 2000 3:49 PM
To: SUSSEX-PLUS-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: CHEESEMAN
Hi Michael,
There were Brickmaking Cheesemans in Kent too I believe.
My GGgrandmother Thirza DURRANT (nee REYNOLDS) was the daughter of Richard
REYNOLDS - he owned the Chart Seal Brickworks - near Sevenoaks. Well Thirza
had a son - Edward Richard DURRANT - (Thirza married Edward DURRANT - so
their only son had his fathers name and her fathers name - nice combo)
Anyway - to get to the Cheeseman part: in 1881 my then 15 year old
Ggrandfather (the above Edward Richard Durrant) was living with his Aunt -
Frances CHEESEMAN. Frances is shown as 53 and married, but no male
Cheeseman is with them. (Frances is shown as Head of household)
And Thirza had a sister - Frances christened in 1825
So - the reason why I'm emailing you this very long story is that clearly a
Cheeseman had married into the brickmaking Reynolds family. Perhaps your
Cheeseman is related?
In the same 1881 census there is a William CHEESEMAN living at the Broom Inn
in Seal age 52 and shown as an Ag Lab. I have wondered if Frances had
thrown her husband out (or he had left her) and he was living at the Inn.
If he had previously been a bricklayer, perhaps he became an Ag Lab after
the marriage broke down?
Might not be much help - but if William was born in 1829, he could have been
the father of your Edward.
Hope I've entertained you, even if I haven't helped!
Best wishes,
Lesley (Durrant)
In Burnaby on the mountain, BC, Canada
Researching DURRANT and related families STYANT, REYNOLDS, SALES, CHEESEMAN,
LOVELL, FORREST, GUNTER in Kent and Surrey
Forwarding Message
-----Original Message-----
From: Marion Clare [mailto:marionclare@home.com]
Sent: Saturday, 10 June 2000 5:05 PM
To: Michael Cheeseman
Subject: Re: Cheeseman, Freebody and lots of other names
Hi Michael,
I have Oliver Cheeseman who married Elizabeth Jane Fanhall Murrell in 1905
Old Kent Road. Elizabeth was born 1871 but I have no idea of Oliver's birth
date. They had two daughters, Kathleen and Grace.
Thought the info might help you.
Regards,
Marion
Victoria, BC. Canada
Forwarding Message
-----Original Message-----
From: Kenneth Gregory Baldwin [mailto:kennethb@melbpc.org.au]
Sent: Monday, 26 June 2000 8:51 PM
To: Michael Cheeseman
Subject: RE: [Lon] Brown, Cheeseman, Chant, Freebody and Miles family
G'day Michael,
Am searching CHEESEMAN for my sister in law, who doesn't have web access.
Heather has the following CHEESEMAN interest:
1891 Census:
William H. CHEESEMAN Head M 36 Paper Dryer Journeyman born Wrotham
Mary A. Wife M 28
Farleigh
Rosa K.? Dau S 4
Ightham
Lilly Dau S 1
Ightham
Henry Son S 3mon? (might be 2)
Ightham
I have a copy of a marriage certificate in front of me for the marriage of
William George Francis HOLLIDAY and Rosa Kate CHEESEMAN. Her parents are
given as William Henry CHEESEMAN, Paper Maker, and Mary Ann HODGE. His
parents are given as William James HOLLIDAY and Mary Francis LARFE.
Any connection?
Regards
Greg Baldwin
12th June 2000
Michael
Here are the Cheesemen:
Christofer, 6. Motcombe Tithing.
Dorothy, 1. Morden Tithing.
George, 1. Liberty of Alton Pancras.
Giles in ye house of Mr French, 3. Lillington Tithing.
John, 2. Yetminster Tithing.
John, 1. Borough of Wareham.
John, 2. Winfrith Tithing.
Robte', 1. Mooreden Tithing.
Willm', 2. Litchen Minster Tithing.
Wdd', 2. Yetminster Tithing.
Hearth Tax was 2s per hearth. Paupers exempt, and people who appear on the
list as Paup' are those who were entitled to exemption. Owners of
goods/earnings of over £10 p.a. or a house worth over 20s. paid, often
unwillingly. They did all sorts of things to avoid paying. To have one
hearth was, usually, to be reasonably prosperous. Tithingmen and constables,
who collected the tax, were often abused. They were ordinary men who could
write. Spelling at that time was not set, so you can hear their accents in
the way the individual tithingmen spell! William Shakespeare, a bit earlier,
spelt his surname in 6 or 7 different ways.
The county was divided into divisions, hundreds and tithings for the
administration of poor law and national tax purposes, but for us these are
deceptive, so am just putting the tithing, which is as close to a parish as
it needs to be. A hundred, for example, could contain the Cernes, and also
Hawkchurch, nearly in Devon in those days! Tithings are less misleading.
Hope this helps!
Happy hunting!
Viv