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Author: faerypirate
Surnames: Chavis
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John:
Saw an old poting of yours on the Chavis board - have you been able to find any more information on your Chavis lines and their Native American backgrounds.
Contact me
ltlhawk01(a)yahoo.com
Misty
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Author: faerypirate
Surnames: Chavis clan
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Barbara:
Evening : have had lots going on and genealogy research hasn't been one of the things that I have had much time - almost fried my hard drive at one point so I lost a good deal of the info that I had - I'm just now getting to were I can start to put the info back on the computer -- give me a shout -- ltlhawk01(a)yahoo.com
Misty
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Author: faerypirate
Surnames: Chavis - Eli
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Good evening:
My great-great granddaddy is Eli Chavis - Born in 1860 - Marlboro county, SC - his daddy was Eli Chavis Born in 1833, Brightsville, Marlboro county SC - and your James T is one of the brothers that I have been looking for -- would you be kind enough to contact me at ltlhawk01(a)yahoo.com
Misty Chavis
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Author: faerypirate
Surnames: Chavis
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I think that if you trace the Jordan Chavis that is on the 1812 voters register in Richmond County, NC and then follow the one that is in Cooke county, Tn - up into Indiana and then into Mississippi, you may find the one that you are looking for - he is on the 1812 register of deeds in Marlboro County SC records where an Aquilla/Aquiller Quick passes away and his land is distributed to his children - one of which is an Elizabeth Quick - I elieve that she is the wife of this Jordan Chavis - I also believe that this Jordan Chavis is the same as the one that is on the 1790 Cheraw census and listed as a Mulatto ( Native American) -
I know this information because I have spent the last few years digging through the records in the Marlboro area looking for my own Jordan Chavis and tracked this one for a while only to find that he is not mine.
Feel free to contact me if you so desire: ltlhawk01(a)yahoo.com
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Author: marystory741
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If anyone may have any information on the family of Rufus Doc Chavis who was married to Babe Peavy both from the Laurinburg NC area(Scotland county). There son Rufus Julius Chavis who Married Mary Magelline Jones Chavis. They lived around Cheraw and Bennetsville SC as well as in NC. I know at one time they where sharecroppers. They had 8 children before he was killed in a car wreck. Then my G-great grandma Mary was re-married to his cousin. Her 2 boys Bud chavis and Buddy Chavis were also killed in car accidents as well (not the same ones). There other children where Mary(my grandma) Betty, Mickey, Carolyn,Margert, Florence. She also had a child from her 2nd marriage her name was Marilyn. I don't have much more than this to go on at this time since I am just starting my reasearch, but if anyone knows anything please let me know...Thank You
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Author: wachsl
Surnames: chavis-Hutto
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I know this is an old post...I am Liane Chavis and there is the Hutto/Chavis connection on my end as well, my grandpa Hilly should have actually carried the Hutto name. If you still read this contact me lianewachs(a)cfl.rr.com
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Author: wachsl
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My name is Liane. I am also a Chavis...through and through lol anyway I too am not Lumbee. I come from the Hilly Chavis line ( he was my great-grandfather ). I actually have done alot of tracing beyond Hilly because up through grandpa Hilly we had all the info and pics so I started with his parents. Hilly was also born in SC but everyone before him was pretty much NC/VA.... I was always told ( and still lol my dad is still alive thank goodness lol )that we are Tuscarora that is who me, my children, and siblings etc are. Let me know if I can help.
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Author: N_Percival
Surnames: Chavs
Classification: queries
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Hi,
There are lots of DNA companies but, as in anything we have our favorites. Mine is http://www.FamilyTreedna.com when you go there input your surname. that will tell you if a surname project is ongoing. You get a discount if you join a surname project.
Your son can be tested but for his father's Y-DNA or your MT-DNA not your father's YDNA.
YDNA is from the male sex chromosome, so is only passed via the male although, a male inherits his MT-DNA from his mother it is only passed in the egg so he can not pass it to his children.
Your Aunt will have her mother's mtdna and all her daughters will too... but you carry your mother's MT-DNA... and have passed it on to your children but only your daughters pass it on..
Y dna is easier to work with in genealogy due to the surname not changing and the dna having few mutations.. Where mt-dna the maiden name changes with each generation if the daughter marries.
I'd say the 37 marker test is best as it gives enought points of comparison for a good reading. A good explaination was created by a guy named Charles, he says DNA results called a Haplotype is like a zip code the first 12 give you a state the next 25 the county and city, the next up to 37 the street address. There are more up to 67 markers (actually more if you test at different companies and then gather the results..ignore this) the 67 marker test is sort of an over kill in my estimation unless you have a lot of members in the project with close matches then 67 markers can break down the family relationship to individuals..
Now don't go into testing thinking dna is the absolute answer... it won't tell you when your related those are estimates done from the estimated distance in generations (time between generations). The average time is 25 years.. so if you were estimated as related to some one with in 20 generations you go from 0- 500 years estimated..
It will tell you if your not related... with in the time frame of the use of surnames... say... 2000 years.
hope that helps...
why FTDNA as a company? they help the most with good support and volunteer administrators.. they also have the largest data base in the world...
Nelda
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Author: rycasey
Surnames: Chavis
Classification: queries
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My only problem with DNA testing on males is that my siblings are all female! There are 6 girls in my family. Thank goodness my father is still alive! He is the only male left of his generation. There is no one from the previous generation. It is just him and 1 sister. He is at a Veterans home in Spokane Washington and I will see the next time we go to visit with him if we can get a DNA test on him. I do have male cousins but I don't see them that much and the one cousin I do see a lot is Chavis in name only. We share the same grandmother but not the blood of the Chavis line.
What is the web site for finding out more about the DNA testing? Would my son work? I really find this DNA stuff interesting.
Thanks for any information.
Michelle Chavis Smith
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Author: N_Percival
Surnames: Chavis
Classification: queries
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Hi,
A good DNA test of 37 markers at FamilyTreeDNA could help you identify a relationship with another line of Chavis.
What happens is the Yline DNA (males only) changes very little over hundreds of years. So It could tell you if your related by comparing the results to another individual's results. The 37 marker test is the best, as it gives enought points of comparison to actually nail down a pretty clear picture of the distance between the people tested and what could be their common ancestor.It will definately tell you if you are not related as there will be to many differences to be related within the time frame of the use of surnames, which is about 2000 years ago...
It will not tell you exactly when there was a relationship, it just gives estimates... like from zerro to twenty generations.. the average of 25 years for a generation, and the percentage of chance it happened with in this time frame...0-5,5-10,10-15,15-20 and the like...
Personally, I believe a genetic test to lock down relationships is a must for good genealogy. of course a lot of people would rather not for various reasons.. one thing testing the Y-STRs of the dna string, does not give medical information, other types of tests are needed for that...
Think about it
Nelda
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Author: rycasey
Surnames: Chavis
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I have been reading these Chavis posts with a lot of interest. I am a Chavis. I have done the research of my family and they came from Eastern Tennessee. My dad, Samuel Merlyn Chavis was born here in Washington State in 1928, his dad, Samuel Mynatt Chavis was born in Clinton, Roane County, TN. on Feb. 22, 1890, his father, Robert Mynatt was born in either Anderson Co, Roane Co or Campbell Co TN. (I have found them in all 3 counties through the years). He was born on May 30, 1864. Robert's father was Peter Chavis who was a twin to Issac, they were born in October of 1837 in TN and were the sons of Sarah Chavis who was born around 1804 in TN. That is as far back as I seem to be able to find.
I have read all of this stuff on Native Americans, the Lost Colony etc. and have not been able to tie any of that stuff to my family.
This is just to show that not all people with the last name of Chavis are part of the Lumbee controversy.
But if anyone has any information on my line of Chavis' please email me at ralphandmichelle(a)aol.com
Sure would like to get beyond 1804 and find out who Sarah was married to and who the rest of the clan is!
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Author: baltic11
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The chavis name is not on the list of the lost colonists, but a name similar to it, and as far as is known, no one has been able to prove descendency to that person.
I live smack dab in the middle of oodles of Locklears, and they have tribal cards from the Lumbees. So they do definitely feel they are lumbee and drive around with lumbee on their vehicles and wear shirts saying lumbee.
I am not a Lumbee, but have ties to the Chicora Waccamaw of South Carolina, My GG Grandfather was a Chavis and have never been able to find any info on him, except on a 1900 census in Marl. Co SC. he was listed as being born in NC
The lib info in Rob. Co lists them in early 1900's as Croatan, because the Indian people themselves said they were, They were later Named Lumbee, for the Lumbee River, which is now believed they traveled from South Carolina up the river. That sure is a roundabout way, to find one's self in if they were ever originally in Va. It is more likely the Lumbees were from South Carolina, with no connection to Va or the Lost Colony. Some of the traders from up north traveling down this way, intermarried with them so to speak.
Karen
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Author: wachsl
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Nelda,
Thank yo for understanding. If it were not for some ( and I do mean some ) of the info I would be so excited for any tribe that get's back reconition because more then anything I can't stand the gov. saying to a people "no, you do not exisist anymore" LOL Anyway, most of the info. is already out there it is just not all together and I know I am going to have to be the one to put it together and put it out there. I do not want to make an exuse but this last couple year's have been really difficult. My health was bad and I am just now starting treatment and feeling better. I was just diagnosed with lupus and fibromyalgia. It has been about 2week's since I started treatment and I am feeling much much better now and am getting back to myself so I hope to have the time and energy to do this when the kid's go back to school( the 18th) and after my son's bar mitzah at the end of the month. I have no problem testing my dna in fact, I would love to and I will try to talk atleast one !
of the boy's into it. LOL( they are a stubburn group ) As far as them removing my surname from the Lumbee paper's I do not know, because there are surname's much more important then mine being used and they do have documentation all together and out there ( as well as info on the Chavis' ) and people alive and well and making video's and waving their arm's in protest so to speak lol and it has done no good, I believe because of the one treaty ( that really is not valid) keep's the gov. from ever having to reconize the Tuscarora in NC. There are so many very educated Tuscarora and they do have SE Indian Confrence's and they talk and show the proof of what they are saying and they have requested time on the floor just like the Lumbee have been allowed to do and they have been turned down time and time again. The gov. will not even allow them to speak to them !! They have applied again and again. I would be happy to send you some of the video's of the confrence's if you want,!
some are very long but I find them very educating and interesting. It
really does bring a light to the whole thing. They have documented proof of migration of Tuscarora.
I do understand that the 2nd and 3rd half cousin's are related to Hilly as well, believe me I love having lot's and lot's of family. I only get ticked when they say they are the only decendant's left. Most, atleast the one's from Fl. ( anywhere in Fl really ) know about my dad and myself and sibling's and children etc...they just got upset that we would not agree to being Lumbee or even Pee Dee ( that's another tribe ) to get Indian card's and have gone on like we no longer exisist even though they have address' and name's and dob's on us all. Some just feel it is more important for them to have that card to prove they are native and we feel it is not worth it to be called another tribe and we do not need a card to tell us who we are kinda thing. Henry Berry Lowrie's grandson said it perfect I think, he said I do not need a card, if the gov. need's me to have a card then I will get one but I won't need to do anything they will just send it to me. That's how my dad feel's. !
To him it is just a way for the gov. to keep track of ya !! LOL There really are so many issue's going on and so much work to be done to correct the thinking and it is being worked on. Like everything where the gov. is involved it will take time and persistance.
Anyway if you want to contact me directly feel free. lianewachs(a)yahoo.com I will be working on putting all my doc. into the computer so I can publish it prob. the first of Sept. I do know of your work and it is great. Anytime you help people know who they are it is wonderful and you should be commended for helping other's. Hope to talk with you soon.
Oo-neh( see - ya lol )
Liane
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Author: N_Percival
Surnames: Chavis, Bonstein
Classification: queries
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Dear Liane,
I am so glad you wrote back. I would be upset too if someone was writing down incorrect genealogy information on my family.
What I was saying was to publish your family info. Where you find it incorrectly written then give them the corrections. This is a problem in almost any part of genealogy, people want so much to be part of something that they just grab what they can find.. and the modern person wants instant gradification instead of taking time to do the research.
This is not a Native American problem it is a problem of bad genealogy research.
I guess, if I was told I was descended from one type of Native American all my life and along comes a section of my family (second or third cousins) who want to declare they are a different type of Native American, then it wouldn't bother me, except in your type of circumstances... Where using the ancestral history for membership will cause the whole tribe to lose status.. for government recognation...
I wonder if they are claiming on their maternal lines or paternal lines??
So how do you fight that? You have to publish your history... You have to document it where you can and give the family oral history where you can. Then you present it to the different organisations so your section of the family with that surname is excluded from that tribes records, if possible.
If you know the families of the different wives then document them too... a third cousin can be just as direct a descendant of Hilly as you are.. Hilly and wife "A" all his children's children are direct line descendants. Hilly and wife "B" or wife "C" all are direct descendants of Hilly, just not direct descendants of the wives....
Now back to The Lost Colony Genealogy and DNA Research Group, first we don't want to get into Tribal business, second we are not really sure where the lost colonist went, they could have just as easly been taken into the Tuscarora tribe, as the Crotan (spelling not corect)tribe. The Croatan tribe was the first governmental name given the Lumbee tribe back in the 1800's. They have been trying for governmental recognation for over 100 years too... Why they changed thier name to Lumbee is not known to me... but I'm sure they had thier reasons.
What we want, is to find the colonists' descendants... So anyone with surnames of interests are people we would like to see get tested, and to hear thier / see their genealogy.
If you thought that I think oral history isn't important, you have also misunderstood me...Of course it is... Just like my mother said we were jewish I believe her and hunt for the genetic connection to the Jewish Bonsteins. One day I'll get them to test and find the connect between the two..
And someday, I hope you and all descendants of your Grampa Hilly are reconcilled and become a close family...
We would welcome your testing and or a male CHavis of your line to test and record your genealogy on the website as well as any others persons' who says they descend from Hilly Chavis.
Debate about your lineages is not our project, we just record, and look for connections to the descendants of the English sibblings of the Lost Colonists.
Most of what I have stated here about genealogy research is my opinion and not that of the group.
Ihope to see you test..
Nelda
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Author: wachsl
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First I am sorry I forgot my name, I am Liane Chavis-Wachs. Second, I am not "hollering" or upset. I was just stating some facts as I know them. I know all the Chavis' of the world are not related. My family has always had many "marriages" creating many different lines. I have met Native Chavis' some related some not I have met white Chavis' again some related some not, and african American Chavis' and mixtures of all of the above. I myself am Native from my father and Spanish ( from Spain ) Jew from my mother's side, We are on the roll's in an old Temple in Spain and I do follow the Jewish religion. It fit's in with the Native American religion since we both pray to Creator and follow the lunar calendar with holidays etc.. My oldest son will have his Bar-Mitzvah at the end of this month. At the same time my children ( 3 of them ) are all dancer's here in Fl. They dance and demostrate and teach people about native American's.
On the issue of why I do not agree with the reconition of the Lumbee at this time. I have no problem with them wanting reconition or even getting it except for and I have said this before, some of the information that is being used for the reconition is not true and the truth is well documented as well as the fact that there are in fact direct desendant's that do have the information both in documentation and verbal history. You are so set that verbal history has little meaning but as a Native it has alway's been a very important part of our culture and our elder's are not to be questioned and we do not need the paper's that white people wrote in their language which did not translate very well not to mention everything that was written was to benifit the white settler's and not the Native's. It will not help the 125yr battle of the Tuscarora, it will in fact basically put an end to the battle because some of the information being used is our's and incorrect. If they use the!
same family name's and history how will another tribe use it again for their reconition ?? Most of the people using the incorrect information are distant relative's and not direct desendant's and are saying they are the closest living realative's to certain people which again, is not true. You are under the understanding that the Lumbee have been there for a long time but in fact had you been able to ask the people's along the Lumberton river back in the 1800's who they were they would not have said Lumbee that was the river not the people. The name lumbee was given to them by the white goverment in 1956. A specific example of what is going on is people that are saying they are Lumbee are saying they are the closest living relative's to Henry Berry Lowrie but they are not. His closest living relative's are his great-grandchildren who have memory and say Henry Berry never never said anything of Lumbee or being Lumbee he died saying he was Tuscarora now his identity is being!
changed to give a few distantly related people an Indian card. I just
do not feel that is right and it is an insult to the elder's that are his family.
I was so adaminate, as you say about "the lady who says she also desends for Hilly" because I was talkinf of myself. I do desend from Hilly. I am his great-granddaughter. My dad grew up knowing "grandpa Hilly" who passed a some year's before I was born in an old age home about an hour from where I live. We have family pic's of grandpa Hilly as well as many many stories of him. The local paper did a story about myself and my children and talked about him as well. I know that he was my great-grandfather just as I know who and went to the funeral of my great-grandfather on my mom's side. He was real and he was my great-grandfather. It is very disconcerning to go to a tribal office and find nothing but distant barely related people claiming him to try to get reconition to tribe's my great-grandfather had nothing to do with and this has happened to me and my children. We went to one office because we were invited to a Pow-Wow and when I looked at a board they had showing genealog!
y requirment's of this tribe and saw my great-great-grandmother's name as well as my great-grandpa Hilly's name. The chief almost fell over when one of my children said " why is grandpa-Hilly's name up there ?" We did not belong to that tribe and we do not belong to the Lumbee. My father has always ademently denied being part of any tribe but Tuscarora so why should people be allowed to use his grandfather's name to benifit them ??
Another problem with reling on "paper's" is they are written by people. I will give one example of how that can steer you in the wrong direction. My dad and I went to a family reunion/Pow-Wow and there was a woman, a wife to a half 2nd or 3rd cousin. Grandpa Hilly had many children with different woman, some white my great-grandmother was not white and grandpa Hilly stole her from a ranch she birthed my grandfather and a set of twin boy's. Most of the other "wives" were white. Anyway she decided to get into genealogy to try to get some Native reconition for her children. Because she did not talk to our family, because we did not reconize the tribe she decided to go with, she mixed up my grandfather and my uncle who died about 20yrs apart. My uncle who had carried my granfather's name as his middle name started using it as his first after my grandfather passed. She did not know there were in a sense 2 Levi's and ended up changing paper work to show my uncle as my grandfather.!
Not only were their death's yr's apart but in different state's as well but it is in black and white so should I deny my grandfather and claim my uncle as grandfather. I lived with this uncle and when I moved I kept in touch through phone call's on the daily until his death. I know the paper's that show him as grandfather are wrong. People that do not have our family stories cannnot poss. figure out the genealogy. There are way too many name's that are used time and time again, way too many multiple marriage's, nickname's etc....without oral history it is all guess work. We are taught as Native's to listen to those stories, remember them and repeat them to our children, nephew's, nieces etc...The reason, so they know the truth. If you need paperwork, it is there. Look at the history and migration of the Tuscarora. It is there. There are some very educated Tuscarora who have brought this proof of migration and other information. They just had a SE Indian confrence where all!
this was disscussed. I would be happy to send you the video if you ar
e interested in the fact's of the other side of this issue. You may contact me directly at lianewachs(a)yahoo.com anyone can.
I do know about the many name's of Cherokee, we the Tuscarora were considered Cherokee I know and we did not claim to that either, so there is another instant where the gov. and many people were wrong. about who we are. My family has always claimed one tribe.
Although I agree go back far enough you will prob. find the Chavis' were of spanish desent but not mexican, not my line, believe me. It was more likly spain and at that a poss. of being the same sphardic Jew's like my mom's side, but after many intermarriages that is no longer in our blood, from the Chavis side. I did marry a full blood and have kept the native blood going with my children as well as the Judaism. I try to stay very close to my heritage and keep my children there as well. So yes I may sound passionate but know I am not angry or hollering. I do not give it that much power. I know who I am I just do not think it is right that people exploit other people's family history to benifit them. Like I said, feel free to contact me anyone can and please do not feel I am angry, I have strong opinions on the subject ( but how could I not ? ) but I am not angry I am sorry if I come off that way, I tried hard not too, I kept saying I was not looking to upset anyone it is j!
ust the fact's as I know them. nothing more.
Liane
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Author: N_Percival
Surnames: Chavis, Gilpin, Bonstein
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Hi,
I wish I knew to whom I was speaking; you did not sign your message board post.
I'm Nelda Percival, I'm the Web Master at "The Lost Colony Genealogy and DNA Research Group".
I want to address the person who is so upset about the Native Americans who at this time are trying to be recognised as the Lumbee Tribe. (I will say I am not Native American, out of twelve plus years researching I have never found any connection to a Native American.) I am a Gilpin. Five years ago I started a Y-DNA (Male surname study) for Gilpins, The first thing that happened with only three men tested, there were two different genetic lines... This did not make since every Gilpin in the World knew KNEW they were related. BUT.... genetics proved they were not. I only write this to show you how two people with the same last name may not be related. To this day this project has four distinct different genetic lineages.
No one is saying that all Chavis are related, no one is saying that all Chavis are One Type of Native American. No one is even saying that all Chavis are even Native Americans. When I see the name, I think Mexican American or even Spanish.
As you may well know, being of the Tuscarora Tribe(?). That Native Americans' have been unfairly treated since the Great White man discovered the Americas. Why would you object to another group finally being recognised. Instead of being so adaminate about the lady who says she also descends from Hilly, is it possible? Have the two of you compared genealogical records? Tribal records? Census records? I know you say you have verbal family history, but how accurate is it? (Not saying its not so don't start screaming!) I have a sister and a brother, I also have a half sister. Untell I was in my twenties I did not know my father had been married before my mother. He had a daughter, Mary Jane Gilpin. She was married twice and in her fourties when she decided to go to Europe with her husband Jake... Well you have to have a birth certificate to get a pass port...she got hers and found out her birth name was Jaqulene not Mary Jane. She was married twice under Mary Jane went to scho!
ol and college as Mary Jane... but her birth certificate proved different. Now Im not saying this is your problem it might not even be her problem. BUT.. you two need to compare to see who is wrong.. You might even need two males one from each line to test to see if your related. Genetics do not lie..
Now as far as "The Lumbee" are concerned I do not know enough about them to argure with you.. other then this group of Native Americans have been around a long time from before the white man, they just have never been recognised as Native Americans. And they have been trying since way before they started calling them selves Lumbee.
As an example look at the Cherokee Nation. They were called by many different names. see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherokee
There are three different groups of Cherokees.
The Cherokee Nation and United Keetoowah Band of Cherokee Indians have headquarters in Tahlequah, Oklahoma. The Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians is located at Cherokee, North Carolina. All three are federally recognized.
Related ethnic groups: Tuscarora, Iroquoians, Cherokee, Chickasaw, Choctaw, Muscogee (Creek), and Seminole.
Lumbee:
http://www.lumbeetribe.com/
Below from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lumbee
The Lumbee are a Native American people of North Carolina, though their origins are disputed. While Lumbees today identify ethnically as Indians, according to documentary sources they are in origin a mixture of Native Americans, European Americans, and African Americans. The name "Lumbee" is derived from the region near the Lumber River (or Lumbee River) that winds through Robeson County, North Carolina.
Ancestors of today's Lumbee tribe were recorded in the 1790 census as "free persons of color", indicating uncertain ethnic origin but probably an admixture of African, European and Native American blood.[citation needed] In 1885, (NOTE SEE IT ISN"T A GROUP STARTING UP IN 1956 THAT WAS JUST WHEN THEY PICKED A NEW TRIBE NAME)
the Lumbee were recognized by the State of North Carolina as Croatan Indians.
They unsuccessfully sought federal recognition. In the early 1950s, they once again adopted a new tribal identity, naming themselves for the nearby Lumber River. More recently, the Lumbees have claimed to be an offshoot of the Tuscarora or Cheraw tribes.
In 1956, the United States Congress passed House Resolution 4656, known as the Lumbee Act, which acknowledged the claimed Native American origin of the Lumbees but withheld recognition of the group as a "tribe." The Lumbee Act is a major stumbling block to desired federal recognition. The Lumbees are not eligible to apply for federal recognition through the Bureau of Indian Affairs.[1][2] Recognition is opposed by several recognized tribes.
AS Native Americans you all should be helping them, not hindering... Thats like Jews in Isirel saying American Jews aren't Jewish...
By the way my family History says I'm Jewish... Haven't proved it... but we do share a surname with a Jewish family.. Bonstein..
So before you start hollaring, try working with each other..
If she is wrong then show her how she is wrong and help her find her lineage, If your wrong, work together.. but my suggestion is to test your genetics with a 37 marker Y-STR test at FamilyTreeDNA. At least you would know if you were related..
Nelda
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I am a Chavis....direct line. I can give proof of who I am and I just need to say we ( my family ) do not reconize being Lumbee. I know that the Lowrie and Locklear's do not either. Of course there are some people with those name's that do but most of them have no current connection to family that can tell them different. I do not want to argue with anyone everyone has to be who they are comfortable being but ask yourselves how could people that lived in the area in the 1700's and 1800's be from a tribe that was not created until 1956 ?? and why is it that there are so many people that have been told by grandparent's and great-grandparent's and aunt's and uncle's etc that we are Tuscarora ?? Why did these elder's not mention once being Lumbee ?? As I said I do not want to argue with anyone or upset anyone but when it come's to my line of Chavis' I would really apprecitate it if people would stop using my family to prove we are something we do not reconize. My line goes like !
this ( and this is a combo of family info and research ) Philip -> Ishmael -> Elisha -> James/Jim -> Josiah -> Marthena -> Hilly -> Levi -> Jimmy -> Me. I did not put spouces it's just the short version, I know this is my line I have pic's of Hilly, who was my great-grandfather and my dad has his stories which he has handed down to myself and children. There is a family story of why Hilly even carried the Chavis name. This is something you will not find on the internet, because it is a family story. All I ask is that you respect our name's as OUR name's and not decide for us who we are. We have a rich colorful history and would glady share,if you listen. I have video of the great-grandchildren of Henry Berry Lowrie yet people say there are no direct desendants left. These people are willing to talk and have, just listen. This subject is fustrating because the Lumbee are getting ready to get Fed. recon. and some are using family name's that they are not DIRECTLY related to s!
aying they are the closest kin left and it just is not true. It is onl
y that the true kin do not reconize being anything but Tuscarora and some of us will not except being labled as Lumbee just so the goverment will give us a card saying we are Indian, I know all I need to do is look at my 3 beautiful children or just look in the mirror and think of the stories I have been told if I need confirmation of who I am. The Tuscarora have been fighting for 125yrs because of a treaty that took our right's to fed.recon. away and now all our information will be used to reconize a tribe that never existed until 1956. It just does not make sense.
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I am a Chavis....direct line. I can give proof of who I am and I just need to say we ( my family ) do not reconize being Lumbee. I know that the Lowrie and Locklear's do not either. Of course there are some people with those name's that do but most of them have not current connection to family that can tell them different. I do not want to argue with anyone everyone has to be who they are comfortable being but ask yourselves how could people that lived in the area in the 1700's and 1800's be from a tribe that was not created until 1956 ?? and why is it that there are so many people that have been told by grandparent's and great-grandparent's and aunt's and uncle's etc that we are Tuscarora ?? Why did these elder's not mention once being Lumbee ?? As I said I do not want to argue with anyone or upset anyone but when it come's to my line of Chavis' I would really apprecitate it if people would stop using my family to prove we are something we do not reconize. My line goes like!
this ( and this is a combo of family info and research ) Philip -> Ishmael -> Elisha -> James/Jim -> Josiah -> Marthena -> Hilly -> Levi -> Jimmy -> Me. I did not put spouces it's just the short version, I know this is my line I have pic's of Hilly, who was my great-grandfather and my dad has his stories which he has handed down to myself and children. There is a family story of why Hilly even carried the Chavis name. This is something you will not find on the internet, because it is a family story. All I ask is that you respect our name's as OUR name's and decide for us who we are. We have a rich colorful history and would glady share,if you listen. I have video of the great-grandchildren of Henry Berry Lowrie yet people say there are no direct desendants left. These people are willing to talk and have, just listen. This subject is fustrating because the Lumbee are getting ready to get Fed. recon. and some are using family name's that they are not DIRECTLY related to sayi!
ng they are the closest kin left and it just is not true. It is only t
hat the true kin do not reconize being anything but Tuscarora and some of us will not except being labled as Lumbee just so the goverment will give us a card saying we are Indian, I know all I need to do is look at my 3 beautiful children or just look in the mirror and think of the stories I have been told if I need confirmation of who I am. The Tuscarora have been fighting for 125yrs because of a treaty that took our right's to fed.recon. away and now all our information will be used to reconize a tribe that never existed until 1956. It just does not make sense.
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