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Making corrections to the book should be a great + to all of us.
On pp. 42, the surname for the husband of Flora Jane CHAUDOIN should be
REDING. Also, his middle initial should be R. I have records with it
being B. & R but his father gave it as being R. in his Will when he
named his grandchildren as heirs. George R. REDING was born in 1825 &
died on 3 Jul 1862 at Camp Riceville, MS "of camp fevor".
The eldest son was named Alfred Maxwell. The 2nd son was born 13 Jul
1858 and did not die as a child. he was a Framer & died after 1900.
The 3rd son was named William Walter.
There was another unnamed child to this marriage that died prior to 1860
or was born after 1860 & died prior to the 1870 census.
Flora Jane & George R. REDING are my ancestors & I have most of their
descendants.
Wayne
They don't make it easy !!
>> >
>> >CNN has reported that within the next two weeks Congress is
>> >going to vote on allowing telephone companies to CHARGE A TOLL FEE for
>> >Internet access. Translation: Every time we send a long distance e-mail
>> >
>> >we will receive a long distance charge. This will get costly.
>> >
>> >Please visit the following web site and file a complaint.
>> >Complain to your Congressperson. We can't allow this to pass! The
>> >following address will allow you to send an e-mail on this subject
>> >DIRECTLY to your Congressperson.
>> >
>> > > http://www.house.gov/writerep
>> >
>> >Pass this on to your friends. It is urgent! I hope all of you will pass
>> >this on to all your friends and family. We should ALL have an interest
>> >in this one. WAIT, THERE'S MORE. IN ADDITION, The last few months have
>> >revealed an alarming trend in the Government of the United States
>> >attempting to quietly push through legislation that will affect your
>> >use of the Internet. Under proposed legislation the U.S. Postal Service
>> >will be attempting to bilk email users out of "alternate postage fees".
>> >Bill 602P will permit the Federal Govt to charge a 5 cent surcharge on
>> >every email delivered, by billing Internet Service Providers at source.
>> >The consumer would then be billed in turn by the ISP. Washington D.C.
>> >lawyer Richard Stepp is working without pay to prevent this legislation
>> >from becoming law. The U.S. Postal Service is claiming that lost
>> >revenue due to the proliferation of email is costing nearly
>> >$230,000,000 in revenue per year. You may have noticed their recent ad
>> >campaign "There is nothing like a letter". Since the average citizen
>> >received about 10 pieces of email per day in 1998, the cost to the
>> >typical individual would be an additional 50 cents per day, or over $180
>> >dollars per year, above and beyond their regular Internet costs.
>> >
>> > Note that this would be money paid directly to the U.S. Postal
>> >Service for a service they do not even provide. The whole point of
>> >the Internet is democracy and non-interference. If the federal
>> >government is permitted to tamper with our liberties by adding a
>> >surcharge to email, who knows where it will end. You are already paying
>> >an exorbitant price for snail mail because of bureaucratic
>> >inefficiency. It currently takes up to 6 days for a letter to be
>> >delivered from New York to Buffalo.
>> > If the U.S. Postal Service is allowed to tinker with email, it will
>> >mark the end of the "free" Internet in the United States. One
>> >congressman, Tony Schnell (r) has even suggested a "twenty to forty
>> >dollar per month surcharge on all internet service" above and beyond
>> >the government's proposed email
>> >charges. Note that most of the major newspapers have ignored the
>> >story, the only exception being the Washingtonian which called the
>> >idea of email surcharge "a useful concept who's time has come" (March
>> >6th, 1999)Editorial.
>> >
>> >Don't sit by and watch your freedoms erode away! Send this e-mail to
>> >EVERYONE on your list, and tell all your friends and relatives to write
>> >to their congressman and say "No!" to Bill 602P. It will only
>> >take a few moments of your time, and could very well be instrumental
>> >in killing a bill we don't want.
>> >
>> >PASS THIS ON TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW WHO USES EMAIL REMEMBER
>> >THESE ARE TWO SEPARATE ISSUES THAT EFFECT ALL OF US ONLINE LET YOUR
>> >VOICE BE HEARD NOW, NOT AFTER.
Jim & Others,
Thank you. I wasn't sure who Linda directed her comments to, so maybe I was
the one confused. As you have read...I am in the midst of flu...sitting
here with a fever and coughing profusely. My hubby (the CHAUDOIN
descendant) had it last week, and the week before we both babysat with our
two little sick grandchildren in the area! Not sure who we caught this
from. Dave is a pharmacist so he is filling lots of prescriptions for sick
people these days...so possibly he got it from a customer(s) or from our
grandchildren. At least I'm not teaching any more to catch all these "bugs"
from the school kids. Chatting helps me keep my mind off feeling so bad.
Thanks to all of you for your support.
Audrey
-----Original Message-----
From: James E. or Diane S. Tanner <jtdtjtdt(a)concentric.net>
To: CHAUDOIN-L(a)rootsweb.com <CHAUDOIN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Thursday, January 27, 2000 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: [CHAUDOIN] Attn: George Carver
>Hi Audrey and all the gang: I just read Linda's message and your reply.
>It struck me how right Linda was if what she said was aimed at the right
>person.
>Jim Tanner
OOOPS, sorry, Linda, and others,
You aren't George are you? This happens to me alot since as you can see I
am Audrey but because things come to me with Dave's e-mail, I am Dave many
times. With the flu, I'm not zeroing in on things as I should be. Do check
the archives, as this subject has been discussed SOOO many times, and now I
would just like to have us move on with all the wonderful information of
CHAUDOIN input.
Love and Friendship to All,
Audrey
-----Original Message-----
From: Audrey Shields Hancock <davehancock(a)worldnet.att.net>
To: CHAUDOIN-L(a)rootsweb.com <CHAUDOIN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Thursday, January 27, 2000 6:59 PM
Subject: [CHAUDOIN] Attn: George Carver
>Hello, George,
>
>I think you are confused here. I don't know who you are addressing, but
the
>book, "CHAUDOINS of Virginia," was written by Gloria Cowan Smith, and
Gloria
>is the one threatening to sue ANYONE who uses the information from her
book,
>as she perceives it. If you will review CHAUDOIN archives you will see
that
>this has been discussed numerous times.
>
>Audrey
Thanks, Carson, for the article. How sad! Does anyone know the ancestry of
this poor CHAUDOIN?
Audrey
-----Original Message-----
From: Carson Ray <rayc(a)iquest.net>
To: CHAUDOIN-L(a)rootsweb.com <CHAUDOIN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Thursday, January 27, 2000 9:37 PM
Subject: [CHAUDOIN] Tommy P. Chaudoin
>Anyone know who this poor relative was related to?
>
>>From The Indianapolis Star Jan. 23, 2000 -- A homeless man died Saturday
>after a fire started in a vacant house in which he was staying.
> Tommy P. Chaudoin, 45, had started a fire to try to keep warm in the house
>in the 3800 block of E. 9'th Street, said Lt. Bill Brown of the
>Indianapolis Fire Department.
Thank you very much for this insight. Really appreciate another's
viewpoint...and knowledgeable viewpoint at that.
Looks like we need to create a web page just to deal with corrections to the
book, "CHAUDOINS of Virginia." Thank you for sharing the true information
about your family, I have "taken up my pen & ink" and made corrections to
your family. If you will also note on p. 12, a whole series of children of
Benjamin S. CHAUDOIN & Henrietta GUPTON are left out...#85 Melinda Ann is on
p. 12 then skips to #92 Phebe & Elizabeth on p. 13. Benjamin & Henrietta
are my husband's ancestor and was Jeter GRIMSLEY's ancestors.
Audrey
-----Original Message-----
From: bartlett <bartlett(a)netusa1.net>
To: CHAUDOIN-L(a)rootsweb.com <CHAUDOIN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Thursday, January 27, 2000 10:53 PM
Subject: RE: [CHAUDOIN] look-ups
>As I have a masters degree in history and have written an extensive number
>of papers to get this degree, I feel I may have some insight on this
matter.
>Copyright laws extend only to your work and your ideas as a whole, and as
>long as whoever is getting information from your work does the right thing
>and gives you the credit you so painstakingly deserve, you do not have the
>right to sue anyone for passing along information to assist someone in
>helping them find their ancestry. I stress that the person MUST give you
>the credit, giving the citation, page number, and the like. Citing
passages
>from your book IS NOT IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM copyright infringement and,
>therefore, not actionable in a court of law. Therefore, someone who owns
>your book and references it for another person giving a citation and
>information is doing nothing illegal. To make it illegal to cite someone
>else's work is to completely disregard the basis of the scientific process
>to which all academic disciplines adhere. Without being able to point out
>someone else's work and describe what the main ideas of the author are, we
>cannot put forth an argument supporting or refuting the author's point.
>
>For instance, I know this to be fact so get your pens and correct your
>copies of "Chaudoins of Virginia" now. Page 45, individual #481 John
Casper
>spelled his last name "Shadowens." Further, on page 88, his wife's name
was
>Isabelle Davis, NOT Harriet. This has been confirmed by all her living
>grandchildren including my father-in-law, Donald R. Cravens. All marriage
>records and birth records of the children of John Casper and Isabelle
>Shadowens show her name to be Isabelle. The "Chaudoins of Virginia" book
is
>the first and only place we have seen her name to be "Harriet." When asked
>where she got her information, the author (Gloria) would not tell us where
>she got her information, only that she was correct and we were misinformed,
>even though she never met Grandma Shadowens and our sources knew her well
>for over twenty years.
>
>"Chaudoins of Virginia" has sent us in new directions for our research and
>is therefore a valuable tool. It, as any other copyrighted work, may be
>quoted and cited without the author's permission, but credit must be given
>when it is used.
>
>
As I have a masters degree in history and have written an extensive number
of papers to get this degree, I feel I may have some insight on this matter.
Copyright laws extend only to your work and your ideas as a whole, and as
long as whoever is getting information from your work does the right thing
and gives you the credit you so painstakingly deserve, you do not have the
right to sue anyone for passing along information to assist someone in
helping them find their ancestry. I stress that the person MUST give you
the credit, giving the citation, page number, and the like. Citing passages
from your book IS NOT IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM copyright infringement and,
therefore, not actionable in a court of law. Therefore, someone who owns
your book and references it for another person giving a citation and
information is doing nothing illegal. To make it illegal to cite someone
else's work is to completely disregard the basis of the scientific process
to which all academic disciplines adhere. Without being able to point out
someone else's work and describe what the main ideas of the author are, we
cannot put forth an argument supporting or refuting the author's point.
For instance, I know this to be fact so get your pens and correct your
copies of "Chaudoins of Virginia" now. Page 45, individual #481 John Casper
spelled his last name "Shadowens." Further, on page 88, his wife's name was
Isabelle Davis, NOT Harriet. This has been confirmed by all her living
grandchildren including my father-in-law, Donald R. Cravens. All marriage
records and birth records of the children of John Casper and Isabelle
Shadowens show her name to be Isabelle. The "Chaudoins of Virginia" book is
the first and only place we have seen her name to be "Harriet." When asked
where she got her information, the author (Gloria) would not tell us where
she got her information, only that she was correct and we were misinformed,
even though she never met Grandma Shadowens and our sources knew her well
for over twenty years.
"Chaudoins of Virginia" has sent us in new directions for our research and
is therefore a valuable tool. It, as any other copyrighted work, may be
quoted and cited without the author's permission, but credit must be given
when it is used.
Anyone know who this poor relative was related to?
>From The Indianapolis Star Jan. 23, 2000 -- A homeless man died Saturday
after a fire started in a vacant house in which he was staying.
Tommy P. Chaudoin, 45, had started a fire to try to keep warm in the house
in the 3800 block of E. 9'th Street, said Lt. Bill Brown of the
Indianapolis Fire Department.
Shortly after 8 a.m., a motorist saw smoke coming from the house and
called 911. When firefighters arrived, they were able to contain the fire
to a front room, where it had started.
They found Chaudoin, dressed in four layers of clothes, in a room in the
back of the house. Chaudoin was taken by ambulance to Wishard Memorial
Hospital, where he died.
Brown said it appeared the house had been vacant for a while. The gas and
electric meters had been removed, and there were no other utilities
connected to the one-story house.
Chaudoin likely died of smoke inhalation, Brown said, but an autopsy will
determine the cause of death. Chaudoin was the first person to die in a
fire this year in Indianapolis.
Firefighters have ruled that the blaze was accidental.
Carson Ray
grandson of Nancy J. Chaudoin of OK & AR
Jim, You are absolutely sooooo funny!!!
and
Audrey, I support you 100%!!!!
There was a lady who left the list because Gloria had hurt her feelings very
badly--about the same stuff as what she pulled here!! Can't wait to tell
this lady she can now rejoin!!
Donna
----- Original Message -----
From: JAMES/TAMRA SHADOAN <shadoan(a)uswest.net>
To: <CHAUDOIN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 10:00 PM
Subject: [CHAUDOIN] Gloria's book
> I would like to say a couple of things and then it is done. I bought her
> book in 1996. I at that time was told in no uncertain terms her thoughts
> about copywriter laws. I called the LDS Church and talked at some length
> with an individual in their Copywrite Law Department. I will not digress
> now about what I was told as Dave & Audrey has addressed the matter many
> times.
>
> But with all that has transpired I want everyone on the net to know what
> I am going to do with Gloria's book , "CHAUDOINS of VIRGINIA." I am
> going to donate it to the Pulaski County Historical Society. Just think
> of all the wonderful people that will now be able to have access to the
> information contained in her book! Hope she can keep track of them all.
> Jim
>
>
Hello, George,
I think you are confused here. I don't know who you are addressing, but the
book, "CHAUDOINS of Virginia," was written by Gloria Cowan Smith, and Gloria
is the one threatening to sue ANYONE who uses the information from her book,
as she perceives it. If you will review CHAUDOIN archives you will see that
this has been discussed numerous times.
Audrey
-----Original Message-----
From: George Carver <carvergr(a)mnsinc.com>
To: CHAUDOIN-L(a)rootsweb.com <CHAUDOIN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Thursday, January 27, 2000 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: CHAUDOIN-D Digest V00 #6
>After reading the messages about Gloria and how you wanted to sue her about
>the copyrights I would like to ask two question was Gloria using your book
>for financial gain for her self or was it like she said that she was trying
to
>help
>others. If sueing her makes you feel good because you feel she did you
wrong
>then I really feel sorry for you because over all you will lose out.
>
>Be grateful that someone did buy your book or even bother to read it and
>was willing to share it with others. Those who selfishly use information
they
>gain for financial purpose will lose out in the end. Please don't get me
wrong
>those
>who take something from others is not right but was it intentionally or
was it
>that she really didn't know that what she was doing was wrong.
>
>Linda
Hi Audrey and all the gang: I just read Linda's message and your reply.
It struck me how right Linda was if what she said was aimed at the right
person.
Jim Tanner
Yes, to all of your questions. I have documentation on all but proof of the
link from Singleton to Dorcas other than the family bible. Can you help with
this link?
Sharon
Sorry. It should say "I would not look at it now"
Edward
-----Original Message-----
From: Reynolds, Edward [mailto:EReynolds@syntellect.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 10:40 AM
To: CHAUDOIN-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [CHAUDOIN] I seem to be missing something.
While the format of the information in Gloria's book is
certainly
copyrighted, much of the information is not.. Name's birth
and death dates
and other public type information are not copyrighted.
This information
may be shared if the original public documents are the
origin of the
information, regardless of the inclusion in her book. Its
inclusion in her
book does not give her ownership of the data. I have all of
my info from
sources other that her book. I will share it with whom I
choose and she can
sue if she wants. I have a cousin who is a copyright lawyer
and she can
deal with him! It is a shame that she feels the way she
does. I might have
purchased her book. Would look at it now. I think that
my next book just
might have to be this line. Anyone willing to co-author, or
how about a
group effort?
Edward Reynolds
A descendant of the Green CO KY line.
Chaudoin->Duren->Perkins->Reynolds
While the format of the information in Gloria's book is certainly
copyrighted, much of the information is not.. Name's birth and death dates
and other public type information are not copyrighted. This information
may be shared if the original public documents are the origin of the
information, regardless of the inclusion in her book. Its inclusion in her
book does not give her ownership of the data. I have all of my info from
sources other that her book. I will share it with whom I choose and she can
sue if she wants. I have a cousin who is a copyright lawyer and she can
deal with him! It is a shame that she feels the way she does. I might have
purchased her book. Would look at it now. I think that my next book just
might have to be this line. Anyone willing to co-author, or how about a
group effort?
Edward Reynolds
A descendant of the Green CO KY line.
Chaudoin->Duren->Perkins->Reynolds
Doris,
Your intentions were meant well, and I recognize that. I know how grateful
you have been to have received your connection information, and that you
only desired to help others.
We can still help others without violating the copyright code. You can
still ferret out the information that you have, present it in another way,
and share with others. Just give your source to the person you write, and
if you write that person directly, it would not be public. This is not
copyright infringement. There are even free searches done on the web with
volunteers doing this from FTM CDs. The way I understand it, it's when
something is copied word for word the way an author has presented it is
there a copyright infringement. I'm sure you are not copying the whole book
to share the way the author presented it.
Hope this helps.
Audrey
-----Original Message-----
From: Doris Irwin <elvis511(a)earthlink.net>
To: CHAUDOIN-L(a)rootsweb.com <CHAUDOIN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: [CHAUDOIN] THREATS are unacceptable
>Audrey, Is it not allowed for me to give out information from my book? I
>did purchase it and now own it. I really did not think about anything
>concerning copyright laws. It is just that so many wonderful people really
>helped me, not only on this group, but in other family groups I joined. I
>just want to do the right thing, but I also want to help others who do not
>have the money to buy books and such.
>Doris Irwin (a true Chaudoin descendant)
>elvis511(a)earthlink.net
----------
> From: Bob Righter <spatch(a)righter.org>
> To: CHAUDOIN-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: [CHAUDOIN] RE:AUDREY is my hero.
> Date: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 8:25 PM
>
> Audrey,
> I think you have made a good decision regarding Gloria.
> I know it was a very difficult action for you to take.
> However, as I have told you before, I don't really think
> she is related to us anyhow.
>
> She certainly is not representative of the Chaudoin family
> I belong to.
>
> Thank you Audrey.
>
> bob
Bob, Here is a obit that was in our local paper. I believe she is a
granddaughter of Luther Penick and Mary Ellen Bray Chaudoin.
Mavis Conley
Mavis Conley, 81 of Charlotte, died Monday Jan 10, 2000. Mrs Conley was
born on Oct 4, 1918, in Malta, Mont., the fourth daughter and fiftth child
of Charles and Susan (Chaudoin) Stonesifer. She was a manager of Arnolds
Drug Store before retiring in 1980.
Surviving are a son Terry Conley of West Bloomfield; daughter Tamara
(Dennis) Hulsebos of Nashville; six grandchildren and 15 great grandchild.
She is preceded in death by husband Ray Conley in 1993. Funeral services
were held Jan 13, at Pray Funeral Home, Charlotte, with Rev. Dr. Charles
Moore officiating. Interment was at Clarence Center Cemetery, Clarence
Township.
Paper was Charlotte Shopping Guide, of Charlotte, Michigan. Jan 16, 2000.
I am a desendant of John (Chaudoin) Shadowens, Andrew twin.
Nancy J.
HOORAY!
I can't do that, as I use it so much and have many notes and corrections in
it. It is not without errors, but I am sure they were unintentional. I did
send info to Gloria so she could correct the information regarding my own
Mother, Irma Nadine Foster and her sister, Florence Irene Foster. Their
father , Owen Herbert was married to my grandmother, Zada Happle Shadoan in
New Jersey, not in New York as the book states. Also, Irma and Florence
were both born in Trenton New Jersey, Mercer county, as I have my own
mother;s original birth certificate.
----- Original Message -----
From: JAMES/TAMRA SHADOAN <shadoan(a)uswest.net>
To: <CHAUDOIN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 8:00 PM
Subject: [CHAUDOIN] Gloria's book
> I would like to say a couple of things and then it is done. I bought her
> book in 1996. I at that time was told in no uncertain terms her thoughts
> about copywriter laws. I called the LDS Church and talked at some length
> with an individual in their Copywrite Law Department. I will not digress
> now about what I was told as Dave & Audrey has addressed the matter many
> times.
>
> But with all that has transpired I want everyone on the net to know what
> I am going to do with Gloria's book , "CHAUDOINS of VIRGINIA." I am
> going to donate it to the Pulaski County Historical Society. Just think
> of all the wonderful people that will now be able to have access to the
> information contained in her book! Hope she can keep track of them all.
> Jim
>
>
I would like to say a couple of things and then it is done. I bought her
book in 1996. I at that time was told in no uncertain terms her thoughts
about copywriter laws. I called the LDS Church and talked at some length
with an individual in their Copywrite Law Department. I will not digress
now about what I was told as Dave & Audrey has addressed the matter many
times.
But with all that has transpired I want everyone on the net to know what
I am going to do with Gloria's book , "CHAUDOINS of VIRGINIA." I am
going to donate it to the Pulaski County Historical Society. Just think
of all the wonderful people that will now be able to have access to the
information contained in her book! Hope she can keep track of them all.
Jim
Was Singleton the son of Thomas G. Chaudoin who was 1st married to Martha
Penich .......and 2nd married to Elizabeth Carr Young?
Did Singleton H. marry Elizabeth M. Gaddie(daughter of James S. Gaddie and
Emily M. Sympson?) on the 27th of December, 1859?? And did Singleton have 9
children?
----- Original Message -----
From: <SGTPW(a)aol.com>
To: <CHAUDOIN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 7:41 PM
Subject: [CHAUDOIN] Singleton H. Chaudoin & Dorcas A. Chaudoin
> I'm looking for documentation linking Singleton H. 3 b.Jan 18, 1840; d.
Sep.
> 16, 188
>
>