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Hi, Bertie and others,
Are you meaning me? I do not have any trouble with Nathan's
records. He served a year in a NY Regt. from 1862-1863 during which he
was sick most of the time in Louisiana. He was over 40 when he signed
up and probably did not even need to serve. Then he served a year in
the Veterans Reserve Corp in New Orleans. At the end of the war, his
mailing address was Pulaski, NY. But you are right that your knowledge
will help others.
I am more disturbed because I have not seen the apology I emailed
the list and Carole Williams after she posted her good knowledge of
Nathan J Chase. I don't understand why neither her post to the list or
mine (about 7 AM EST Fri May 10) appeared on the list yesterday or is in
the Archives now.
Should I re-post?
I feel so close to finding out something after weeks of frustration. I
am sure this frustration and my long post to the mailing list, a
collection of my research and frustrations over that time, made me sound
rude and hostile. I have Asperger's and have a difficult time
remembering manners that come naturally to others.
Elizabeth
On 5/11/2019 3:16 PM, chase-request(a)rootsweb.com wrote:
Date: Sat, 11 May 2019 19:15:54 +0000 (UTC)
From: Bertie Williams<obnn9119(a)yahoo.com>
Subject: [CHASE] Re: Nathan Chase and civil war records
To:chase@rootsweb.com
> Elizabeth:This is probably more information that what you need, but this forum reaches a lot a people and the following may be able to help others struggling with civil war issues as well.
Tamara:must be a William descendant- my Aquila descendants made good husbands and dads!
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1. Re: Nathan J Chase, said to have been born June 1822 in Albany Co., NY
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Subject: [CHASE] Re: Nathan J Chase, said to have been born June 1822
in Albany Co., NY
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This deserting wives seems to be a thing with these Chase men...
On Fri., May 10, 2019, 1:06 a.m. Carole Williams, <wmsmtpl(a)bellsouth.net>
wrote:
> I have been blessed with a much more positive impression of Nathan Chase;
> I don't have him listed as a carpetbagger who possibly fibbed about his
> age when marrying, deserted his wife in New York, and took up with a young
> widow in Georgia.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elizabeth W Knowlton [mailto:knowltonew@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2019 7:39 AM
> To: chase(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: [CHASE] Nathan J Chase, said to have been born June 1822 in
> Albany Co., NY
>
> Hi, I apologize for posting here what I have already posted on the
> Ancestry Chase surname message board, but I feel I will find the more
> experienced researchers here (plus the message boards are so buried
> that I doubt few know they exist).
>
> I am searching for parents of Nathan J Chase (I have his records from
> 1850 until his death in 1886 in Catoosa Co., GA). He was in Oswego Co.
> by 1850; married three times; worked as a farmer, lumberman, and
> mechanic; and served in some capacity in the Civil War. He appears to
> have been a carpetbagger, to have deserted his second wife in New York,
> and to have taken up with a young widow in Georgia. She produced the
> first sons he had, James and William.
> In the 1855 NY census, Nathan says he was born in Albany Co. When he
> mustered into the war, he listed his birthplace as Guilderland, which is
> in the same county. After the war, the county clerk's notes on his war
> record say that he was born in Herkimer, but I do not think that was
> true. It is also possible he fudged his age, pretending to be a little
> younger when marrying. So he might be in one of those Albany Co. Chase
> 1830 census households as 10-14 instead of under ten.
> I had looked especially at the household of Job Chase who died in Knox
> in 1842. Trees show a gap in his children's births around the time
> Nathan would have been born. In 1880 he said his parents were both born
> in New York, but who knows who provided that information.
>
> Later I said:
> I am sure now that Job Chase was not his father, having examined that
> man's will in Albany Co., NY. In 1850 Nathan is living with the John P.
> and Nancy A. Claflin Clark family in Oswego Co., but I find no
> connection with them.
> He marries Sarah Landrus, and she soon dies (buried in Redfield Village
> Cemetery), leaving him a widower on the Albion 1855 state census. That
> first page of the census was filmed with some of the first names
> covered. I can make out that he heads a household, aged 34, b Albany
> Co., in Oswego since 1849. His daughter (Rosalia) is next, aged 4. Then
> follow two people named Herrick who are listed as his cousins, a female
> and a male, single, aged 22 and 21, born in Schoharie Co., which is next
> to Albany. I have contacted the Oswego Co. clerk, hoping someone can
> look at the original. The young female cousin is obviously there to help
> out a working widower with young child. She has been living there for
> two years, the amount of time since Sarah Landrus Chase has died. [see
> below for Herricks]
> His next wife is Jane Elizabeth (AKA Elisa Jane or Elizabeth) Wood,
> daughter of Harvey and Cynthia Sackett Wood of Jefferson Co., who is
> working as a servant in Richland, Oswego Co., in 1855 for the Weed
> family (into which Rosalia later marries). By 1860 Nathan has two more
> daughters, Clara Eva and Ella Mary (AKA Mary Ella). He musters into the
> 110th NY Regt. in 1863 and switches to the Veterans Reserve Corps in
> Baton Rouge the next year after some sickness.
> By 1867 Nathan is taking the loyalty oath to the federal government in
> Catoosa Co., GA, where, by 1870, he has married a widow, Narcissa
> Eveline Raper Page, who also has a daughter. However, Jane Elizabeth is
> not dead. She is back in Richland, NY, supporting herself as a
> seamstress, with her stepdaughter Rosalia and her daughter Clara. Ella
> M. is living with her father in Georgia. All I can imagine is that
> Nathan's whole family moved with him to Georgia for the lumber business
> right after the war; and when they split up, Ella wanted to stay in
> Georgia with her father.
> Nathan is still in Georgia in 1880, now with two sons and a daughter by
> Narcissa. He dies in 1886, and the cemetery gives his dates as 4 June
> 1822 - 5 Mar 1886.
> Jane Elizabeth Chase somehow becomes Jane E Abbott by 1880 and is living
> in Nashville, TN, with her sister and brother in law, Louisa Wood and
> Orville Goodrich. She continues to live there until her death in 1918,
> enumerated twice in 1910, once with her daughter Ella Williams and once
> with her grandson Edward Stockman. She even has the nerve to contest
> Nathan's pension, already claimed by Narcissa, in 1910.
> But where did Nathan come from? All suggestions welcome.
>
> And, finally I posted:
> Well, no reply by any Chase researchers. However, thanks to the great
> Oswego County Archives Clerk & County Historian, Justin White, who has
> already found the originals and better copies of the poorly filmed and
> digitized first page of the 1855 NY state census for Oswego Co., town of
> Albion--thanks to him, we now know that Nathan's cousins were Martha and
> Horace Herrick, aged 22 and 21, born in Schoharie Co., and only recently
> living in Oswego. Martha led me right to her family on the 1850 census
> in Wright, Schoharie Co, John and Lucinda Herrick, born in CT and NY.
> And, according to some trees in Ancestry, not confirmed yet, Lucinda WAS
> a CHASE. I need to look at Job Chase's will again, but I believe
> Lucinda may have been his daughter.
> When I checked them on the 1855 (Martha of course absent), they were in
> Carlisle, Schoharie Co., and right below them was Maxsom Chase, spelled
> various ways throughout the censuses and other records. I really thought
> I was on to something. However, every census showed him and his wife,
> Betsey Hogan Chase, to have been childless. On that census, both he and
> Lucinda Chase Herrick say they were born in Albany Co., NY.
> I had assumed that Martha and Horace were siblings (had guessed his
> first name by the . . .ce showing on the poor scan), but I see no signs
> of that being true.
> Also, on all these pages I see many Claflins and Cheesbros and
> Silvernails--keep thinking someone reading this will have an illuminated
> moment. Nathan may have been cast out by his family, be older than he
> said, had children before he appears in Oswego in 1850, be adopted, or
> any number of things. Curiouser and curiouser, as said Alice.
>
> I am really hoping this list is more active than the message board.
> Elizabeth Knowlton
> --
> Elizabeth
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Elizabeth:This is probably more information that what you need, but this forum reaches a lot a people and the following may be able to help others struggling with civil war issues as well. There is a wonderful book called "Maine's first, tenth and 29th Volunteers" written by a gentleman named Gould. Major/Mr. Gould was a journalist by hobby and in Maine we had only one "working" state militia group, based out of Portland. He was in it, and being the round peg for the round hole he was assigned to the regimental Adjutants office. Each week as reports were sent back to Maine's Adjutant General he would send back to his family the pages he had written about what the regiment was doing, orders concerning his Brigade and chain of command etc. It is a good source of information about what was really going on within the 'rank and file' structure of the army. And he wrote about the other units they fought with particularly NY and Mass brigades. He started out in ME's `1st but losses had it reorganized as the 10th before Gettysburg, after the Gettysburg losses caused it to be restructured as the 29th. The 29th also was sent to New Orleans area in the latter days of the war and malaria was a huge problem. The 29th ended its service in 1866 doing "reconstruction" in North Carolina and he sent all that information home except a couple weeks around the time of the Winchester retreat, prior to the Battle of Gettysburg when everyone was "skettadaling" to save their own necks and personal items were lost in the retreats. After the war he got together with other officers to collaborate and pick memories to write his book. He even mention the first Thanksgiving when wives came down from Oxford County to the Relay station on the B & O railroad where the regiment was doing duty and there was even a marriage performed. That was how my friend in Maryland and I began swapping civil war data- I told him where and when a Whitney ancestor had gotten married-something not known at the time!. I have encountered several of the issues you mention when researching the civil war for myself and others. The national archives civil war repository has a wealth of information most people are not even aware of. I have a research buddy connected with Whitney group who lives in Silver Springs MD and does all their civil war era research. We used to exchange information. I live in Maine and went to Boston regularly. In exchange for deeds, probate, court cases etc related from early 1700s & 1800s, he would find records for me and send. I learned my DUV ancestor Cyrus Chase b. 1836, had a pension and I didn't even know it since he lived to be over 90 and appeared to be in good health. He and his stepbrother, Levi Reed were caught in the '63 draft and had to serve 2 year enlistments which lasted long after the war was over., Some had to serve 3 year enlistments. Within those pension records, in order to prove his dependents and marriage; is a copy of the Journal his father kept that contained family vital records [his father Jonathan was a jr b. 1790 d. 1865 and in turn was his father's estate administrator so those records went back a long way complete with the names, dates and places of all his cousins born during his lifetime and any stepchildren]. I also did research for a man in Mississippi who had ties to Maine. His ancestor's brother was part of the Mobile Blockade and fell in love with a Southern Belle who's father [not an active Confederate] was in danger of losing the family homestead near the end of the war. By then the brother was starting to feel the effects of long term southern exposure and brought the fiancee back to Maine to meet his parents and his ancestor- a younger brother and a wounded civil war vet himself. The three of them [ ancestor, older brother and fiancee ] headed to California where the older brother died, leaving his ancestor with a death bed promise to marry the Southern Belle and use the Union/Veteran connection to protect the family homestead in Alabama. Obviously the ancestor had a pension file as a wounded veteran with a lot of that information on it as well as a file on the older brother. 3d case is Dudley Pike Chase of Lincoln, ME and Minneapolis MN. Dudley is the peer of my Cyrus and their grandfathers were "sibling buddies" from Newbury. I live in Lincoln, where Dudley's parents and siblings are buried. Dudley and a group of extended family members [wife's family] went to Wisconsin and then Minnesota in the 1850s. Dudley lost his wife in Wisconsin in 1856. Dudley was also one of 5 brothers who took up arms to protect the Northeastern Boundary in March 1839 serving in Capt Geo Towle's Lincoln Rifle Company. He left his minor children in the care of one of his wife's family members in Minneapolis and joined the US 2d Sharp Shooters. At the battle of Chancellorville he caught a shot in his shoulder the same day Stonewall Jackson caught his shot and the consequences were the same- both men died. I was sent his records as well and it lists not only marriage records, but affidavits from the family members who accompanied the group in Minneapolis regarding events that occurred in Lincoln such as births, baptisms, marriages, when they traveled, where and when his wife died, as well as their connection to him and where his children were in 1866. 4] Back to Cyrus and how I learned he had a pension: Cyrus' eldest son married a woman who had 3 uncles serving in the civil war- two died, one at the Battle of Baltimore and one at the Battle of Cedar Mt/Culpepper Courthouse. The 3rd lost an arm at the Battle of the Wilderness- one of the last battle of the war. Yet they all three enlisted Oct 1861. Freeman, the wounded one, contracted either pneumonia or malaria soon after arriving in the south and spent his entire enlistment in a hospital. If a body in not in the actual parade at muster the reason is noted on the roster. Sickness or illness or wounds did not mean automatic discharge. AWOL or death was just about the only reason one got out of the military prior to completion of enlistment. Even POWs were considered on active duty, absent from Muster. Somewhere in the National Archive repositories there is a record of where he was physically, while he was not at muster. Lastly- my mom's father's grandfather turned 21 in 1864 [living on Long Island in Casco Bay, Maine] was drafted for 3 years and sent to the South for reconstruction duties. In 1866 he joined Gen. Custer's newly formed 7th Cavalry and shortly thereafter was headed for Texas.The 1930 census of Jefferson, Maine says my grandfather's father was born in Georgia. Obviously, my gr gr grandfather, met and married a Southern Peach, had a child and then was killed somewhere out west as my gr grandfather ended up back in Maine living with his paternal grandparents. I haven't found where the post civil war records are kept, they are not in Washington and there is no central listing that tells what records are kept where. I have been told there are over a dozen different sites around the country that have military records in them which is why if St Louis doesn't have the records because of the fire, they maybe in some smaller location elsewhere. Bertie
I descend from Aquila and Ann Wheeler. Until about 5 years ago I focused on lines central to Newbury and Essex Co. Mass. I understand there is no genetic connection to William Chase and Buckingham Chases. I knew that the John and Francis-the ship Thomas and Aquila crewed coming over here had a connection to an uncle John Chase and had been granted a lettre of marque by Charles I in 1626 and sailed out of Cornwall and was one of the last voyages to New Hampshire for a number of years. About 5 years ago I started searching maternal lines associated with marriages contracted after Jonathan [Hannah Merrill] and his brother Edmund[Esther Merrill] moved from Newbury to Maine following the Revolution and discovered that among the "revolutionary war baby boomers" at least 6 married into families that traced back to the series of conflicts labeled The War of the Three Kingdoms-1638-1660 and Scottish Prisoners of War transported to Boston by Cromwell. It also explains why there were no more trips to New Hampshire, and perhaps why Thomas and Aquila didn't return home- Cromwell's forces were blockading Royalist ports and not allowing ships to leave. My line is focused primarily on the Jordan family. Not only my ancestor Jonathan Jr [who married two different Jordan daughters with 2 different McKinney line mothers] but one of his sisters and one of his daughters married into the family as well. [The Jordan family residence is in Worcestershire, Eng Rev Robert lost both parents in a 1637 small pox plague and went to stay with Uncle and be trained to the Church before accompanying the John Winter settlement to Richmond Island, Casco Bay, Maine- and very connected to Royalist Bishop there] through 4 Dominicuses that married Gray, Simonton, Douglas,& several McKinney wives. The next generation marriage brought in a wife with a McKenney grandmother as well as Libby, Larrabee and Cooper. the next generation brought in a wife with Campbell, Nelson and Bubier/Boobar from Guernsey-another Stuart hotspot for Cromwell. Even my dad married a woman who's grandmother was a Welsh Leonard whose direct ancestor Henry was one of the trainers at Saugus and was so disgusted with the whole process at the Restoration he got permission from Charles II to take his family charter for Ironworks and moved to New Jersey to build its first ironworks in Monmouth County.
So- just how Celt are we?... 'Of Cornwall' marrying anglican royalists, highland scots, Welsh ironworkers, crewing ships that sail for the Stuart king in war and signing petitions in support of men who are facing gaol time for challenging Boston's Puritanical government....hummmm. I have been invited to join the Chairman - a very learned man named Richard Shaw- at the Battle of Worcester Society's Sept 3rd, 2019 ceremony in Worcester before proceeding on to attend the Sept 14-16th Re-enactment at Dunbar. Since that leaves a week-10 days to spend freely,. Mr Shaw informed me that Pontypool, Wales was only a hour away [Leonard Family home]; then I thought to spend a day or two in the area looking into my Jordan family but also thought I would take the opportunity to visit Cornwall. I may never get another opportunity like this again. I have received several communications from Cornwall Maritime Authorities over the years regarding tracking down where the John and Francis was berthed. There is no central database for this information- first thing I need to find out is where the ports were circa 1630-1650, then visit the best possibles and track down if and/or where those records might be kept for berthing information or Chase family in locality. I was hoping someone reading this may have already started looking for that information and can give me some tips, or maybe was thinking about doing the same thing but needed a good excuse to do so and would like to collaborate & travel with me- two heads are better than one in this instance and can search documents faster than me alone. Bertie WilliamsLincoln, Maine
Hi, William, Thanks for checking for me. I guess I was not clear enough
when I said I had collected the records from 1850 until his death in 1886.
There are a number of military records. He mustered in Aug 1862
but then was Absent sick in Brashear City, LA, "since Apr 9, 1863. Then
it says MR Apr '63 - Apr '64. Does this mean he is on the muster roll
those times? How can that be when he was sick Apr '63? Next he
transfers to 20th Regt Veteran's Reserve Corps April '64 and is there at
least through fall in New Orleans.
The man had three daughters when he enlisted in 1862. He was about
40 years old. Why would he enlist that early in the war, no danger of
draft at his age?
I had noticed that another Chase, a William Chase, had enlisted
from this area and had died in Louisiana early in the war. [need to
check on details] Could Nathan have had a child around 1840, this
William, and enlisted after his son's death, gone to investigate things
in Louisiana? This was my thought a while ago when I first looked at
military records.
/Town Clerks' Registers of Men Who Served in the Civil War, ca
1865–1867/. These records are always interesting. Nathan's address is
given as Pulaski, Oswego Co., NY. Perhaps the data was collected on him
when he was discharged right after the war because by 1867 he was in
Georgia taking the Loyalty Oath to the federal government as all adult
white Southern men had to do in order to gain certain things after the
war (I think ability to vote, bear arms, etc.). This is the record that
gives his birthplace as Herkimer Co., different from two other sources.
There are two records of Jane E Abbott as "remarried widow" filing
for Nathan's pension in 1910. Of course she had to contest Narcissa
Raper Chase's right to it.
Is there anyone on this mailing list who descends from Chases in
Albany Co., NY, in the early 19th century.
Elizabeth
On 5/9/2019 12:02 PM, chase-request(a)rootsweb.com wrote:
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> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 9 May 2019 14:58:52 +0000 (UTC)
> From: William Hughes <nysv107th(a)aol.com>
> Subject: [CHASE] Re: Nathan J Chase, said to have been born June 1822
> in Albany Co., NY
> To: chase(a)rootsweb.com
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> I found.... Nathan J Chase, born 1820 or 21, Enlisted Pvt Co B 110th New York, 8/6/1862, Albion, NY, Mustered in 8/25/1862.
> In a message dated 5/9/2019 7:38:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, knowltonew(a)earthlink.net writes:
>
>
I found.... Nathan J Chase, born 1820 or 21, Enlisted Pvt Co B 110th New York, 8/6/1862, Albion, NY, Mustered in 8/25/1862.
In a message dated 5/9/2019 7:38:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, knowltonew(a)earthlink.net writes:
Hi, I apologize for posting here what I have already posted on the Ancestry Chase surname message board, but I feel I will find the more experienced researchers here (plus the message boards are so buried that I doubt few know they exist).
I am searching for parents of Nathan J Chase (I have his records from 1850 until his death in 1886 in Catoosa Co., GA). He was in Oswego Co. by 1850; married three times; worked as a farmer, lumberman, and mechanic; and served in some capacity in the Civil War. He appears to have been a carpetbagger, to have deserted his second wife in New York, and to have taken up with a young widow in Georgia. She produced the first sons he had, James and William.In the 1855 NY census, Nathan says he was born in Albany Co. When he mustered into the war, he listed his birthplace as Guilderland, which is in the same county. After the war, the county clerk's notes on his war record say that he was born in Herkimer, but I do not think that was true. It is also possible he fudged his age, pretending to be a little younger when marrying. So he might be in one of those Albany Co. Chase 1830 census households as 10-14 instead of under ten.I had looked especially at the household of Job Chase who died in Knox in 1842. Trees show a gap in his children's births around the time Nathan would have been born. In 1880 he said his parents were both born in New York, but who knows who provided that information.
Later I said:I am sure now that Job Chase was not his father, having examined that man's will in Albany Co., NY. In 1850 Nathan is living with the John P. and Nancy A. Claflin Clark family in Oswego Co., but I find no connection with them.He marries Sarah Landrus, and she soon dies (buried in Redfield Village Cemetery), leaving him a widower on the Albion 1855 state census. That first page of the census was filmed with some of the first names covered. I can make out that he heads a household, aged 34, b Albany Co., in Oswego since 1849. His daughter (Rosalia) is next, aged 4. Then follow two people named Herrick who are listed as his cousins, a female and a male, single, aged 22 and 21, born in Schoharie Co., which is next to Albany. I have contacted the Oswego Co. clerk, hoping someone can look at the original. The young female cousin is obviously there to help out a working widower with young child. She has been living there for two years, the amount of time since Sarah Landrus Chase has died. [see below for Herricks]His next wife is Jane Elizabeth (AKA Elisa Jane or Elizabeth) Wood, daughter of Harvey and Cynthia Sackett Wood of Jefferson Co., who is working as a servant in Richland, Oswego Co., in 1855 for the Weed family (into which Rosalia later marries). By 1860 Nathan has two more daughters, Clara Eva and Ella Mary (AKA Mary Ella). He musters into the 110th NY Regt. in 1863 and switches to the Veterans Reserve Corps in Baton Rouge the next year after some sickness.By 1867 Nathan is taking the loyalty oath to the federal government in Catoosa Co., GA, where, by 1870, he has married a widow, Narcissa Eveline Raper Page, who also has a daughter. However, Jane Elizabeth is not dead. She is back in Richland, NY, supporting herself as a seamstress, with her stepdaughter Rosalia and her daughter Clara. Ella M. is living with her father in Georgia. All I can imagine is that Nathan's whole family moved with him to Georgia for the lumber business right after the war; and when they split up, Ella wanted to stay in Georgia with her father.Nathan is still in Georgia in 1880, now with two sons and a daughter by Narcissa. He dies in 1886, and the cemetery gives his dates as 4 June 1822 - 5 Mar 1886.Jane Elizabeth Chase somehow becomes Jane E Abbott by 1880 and is living in Nashville, TN, with her sister and brother in law, Louisa Wood and Orville Goodrich. She continues to live there until her death in 1918, enumerated twice in 1910, once with her daughter Ella Williams and once with her grandson Edward Stockman. She even has the nerve to contest Nathan's pension, already claimed by Narcissa, in 1910.But where did Nathan come from? All suggestions welcome.
And, finally I posted:Well, no reply by any Chase researchers. However, thanks to the great Oswego County Archives Clerk & County Historian, Justin White, who has already found the originals and better copies of the poorly filmed and digitized first page of the 1855 NY state census for Oswego Co., town of Albion--thanks to him, we now know that Nathan's cousins were Martha and Horace Herrick, aged 22 and 21, born in Schoharie Co., and only recently living in Oswego. Martha led me right to her family on the 1850 census in Wright, Schoharie Co, John and Lucinda Herrick, born in CT and NY. And, according to some trees in Ancestry, not confirmed yet, Lucinda WAS a CHASE. I need to look at Job Chase's will again, but I believe Lucinda may have been his daughter.When I checked them on the 1855 (Martha of course absent), they were in Carlisle, Schoharie Co., and right below them was Maxsom Chase, spelled various ways throughout the censuses and other records. I really thought I was on to something. However, every census showed him and his wife, Betsey Hogan Chase, to have been childless. On that census, both he and Lucinda Chase Herrick say they were born in Albany Co., NY.I had assumed that Martha and Horace were siblings (had guessed his first name by the . . .ce showing on the poor scan), but I see no signs of that being true.Also, on all these pages I see many Claflins and Cheesbros and Silvernails--keep thinking someone reading this will have an illuminated moment. Nathan may have been cast out by his family, be older than he said, had children before he appears in Oswego in 1850, be adopted, or any number of things. Curiouser and curiouser, as said Alice.
I am really hoping this list is more active than the message board.
Elizabeth Knowlton-- Elizabeth
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Hi, I apologize for posting here what I have already posted on the
Ancestry Chase surname message board, but I feel I will find the more
experienced researchers here (plus the message boards are so buried
that I doubt few know they exist).
I am searching for parents of Nathan J Chase (I have his records from
1850 until his death in 1886 in Catoosa Co., GA). He was in Oswego Co.
by 1850; married three times; worked as a farmer, lumberman, and
mechanic; and served in some capacity in the Civil War. He appears to
have been a carpetbagger, to have deserted his second wife in New York,
and to have taken up with a young widow in Georgia. She produced the
first sons he had, James and William.
In the 1855 NY census, Nathan says he was born in Albany Co. When he
mustered into the war, he listed his birthplace as Guilderland, which is
in the same county. After the war, the county clerk's notes on his war
record say that he was born in Herkimer, but I do not think that was
true. It is also possible he fudged his age, pretending to be a little
younger when marrying. So he might be in one of those Albany Co. Chase
1830 census households as 10-14 instead of under ten.
I had looked especially at the household of Job Chase who died in Knox
in 1842. Trees show a gap in his children's births around the time
Nathan would have been born. In 1880 he said his parents were both born
in New York, but who knows who provided that information.
Later I said:
I am sure now that Job Chase was not his father, having examined that
man's will in Albany Co., NY. In 1850 Nathan is living with the John P.
and Nancy A. Claflin Clark family in Oswego Co., but I find no
connection with them.
He marries Sarah Landrus, and she soon dies (buried in Redfield Village
Cemetery), leaving him a widower on the Albion 1855 state census. That
first page of the census was filmed with some of the first names
covered. I can make out that he heads a household, aged 34, b Albany
Co., in Oswego since 1849. His daughter (Rosalia) is next, aged 4. Then
follow two people named Herrick who are listed as his cousins, a female
and a male, single, aged 22 and 21, born in Schoharie Co., which is next
to Albany. I have contacted the Oswego Co. clerk, hoping someone can
look at the original. The young female cousin is obviously there to help
out a working widower with young child. She has been living there for
two years, the amount of time since Sarah Landrus Chase has died. [see
below for Herricks]
His next wife is Jane Elizabeth (AKA Elisa Jane or Elizabeth) Wood,
daughter of Harvey and Cynthia Sackett Wood of Jefferson Co., who is
working as a servant in Richland, Oswego Co., in 1855 for the Weed
family (into which Rosalia later marries). By 1860 Nathan has two more
daughters, Clara Eva and Ella Mary (AKA Mary Ella). He musters into the
110th NY Regt. in 1863 and switches to the Veterans Reserve Corps in
Baton Rouge the next year after some sickness.
By 1867 Nathan is taking the loyalty oath to the federal government in
Catoosa Co., GA, where, by 1870, he has married a widow, Narcissa
Eveline Raper Page, who also has a daughter. However, Jane Elizabeth is
not dead. She is back in Richland, NY, supporting herself as a
seamstress, with her stepdaughter Rosalia and her daughter Clara. Ella
M. is living with her father in Georgia. All I can imagine is that
Nathan's whole family moved with him to Georgia for the lumber business
right after the war; and when they split up, Ella wanted to stay in
Georgia with her father.
Nathan is still in Georgia in 1880, now with two sons and a daughter by
Narcissa. He dies in 1886, and the cemetery gives his dates as 4 June
1822 - 5 Mar 1886.
Jane Elizabeth Chase somehow becomes Jane E Abbott by 1880 and is living
in Nashville, TN, with her sister and brother in law, Louisa Wood and
Orville Goodrich. She continues to live there until her death in 1918,
enumerated twice in 1910, once with her daughter Ella Williams and once
with her grandson Edward Stockman. She even has the nerve to contest
Nathan's pension, already claimed by Narcissa, in 1910.
But where did Nathan come from? All suggestions welcome.
And, finally I posted:
Well, no reply by any Chase researchers. However, thanks to the great
Oswego County Archives Clerk & County Historian, Justin White, who has
already found the originals and better copies of the poorly filmed and
digitized first page of the 1855 NY state census for Oswego Co., town of
Albion--thanks to him, we now know that Nathan's cousins were Martha and
Horace Herrick, aged 22 and 21, born in Schoharie Co., and only recently
living in Oswego. Martha led me right to her family on the 1850 census
in Wright, Schoharie Co, John and Lucinda Herrick, born in CT and NY.
And, according to some trees in Ancestry, not confirmed yet, Lucinda WAS
a CHASE. I need to look at Job Chase's will again, but I believe
Lucinda may have been his daughter.
When I checked them on the 1855 (Martha of course absent), they were in
Carlisle, Schoharie Co., and right below them was Maxsom Chase, spelled
various ways throughout the censuses and other records. I really thought
I was on to something. However, every census showed him and his wife,
Betsey Hogan Chase, to have been childless. On that census, both he and
Lucinda Chase Herrick say they were born in Albany Co., NY.
I had assumed that Martha and Horace were siblings (had guessed his
first name by the . . .ce showing on the poor scan), but I see no signs
of that being true.
Also, on all these pages I see many Claflins and Cheesbros and
Silvernails--keep thinking someone reading this will have an illuminated
moment. Nathan may have been cast out by his family, be older than he
said, had children before he appears in Oswego in 1850, be adopted, or
any number of things. Curiouser and curiouser, as said Alice.
I am really hoping this list is more active than the message board.
Elizabeth Knowlton
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Elizabeth