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Chase/Chamberlain show the Samuel designated here as #223 as being born in
Tisbury about 1759, and do indicate he married and lived in England. They
are in agreement that the father Samuel was born 26 May 1734 in Tisbury, and
died in Livermore, ME 2 Aug 1801. Spouse and marriage date also agree with
the below information. Only added tidbit is that he served as a private in
Capt. Jeremiah's company from 6 Apr to Nov 1 1759. (The Seven Years War)
Dick Chase
-----Original Message-----
From: chase-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:chase-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
Behalf Of LYLA HORLEY
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 2:13 PM
To: chase(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [CHASE] Chace family Martha's Vineyard
Hi
I found this site http://history.vineyard.net/chase.htm whilst googling but
the contact name on there no longer works. It is entitled The History of
Martha's Vineyard by Dr. Charles Banks: Volume III Family Genealogies: pp.
71 - 80 and I was hoping that someone on this list might have a little more
information about this family, in particular the following entry.
100. SAMUEL CHASE, (Thomas,4-3 Isaac,2 Thomas1), b. 26 May 1734; res. T.
farmer. He m. JEDIDAH MAYHEW (200) who was b. 3 Mch. 1733 and d. 23 Feb.
1807. He rem. to Livermore, Me. and d. there 2 Aug. 1801.
220. SARAH, b. 9 Sept. 1753; m. WILLIAM MERRY (37) 27 Oct. 1774.
221. THOMAS, b. 30 Sept. 1755.
222. ELIZABETH, b. (1757); m. WARD TILTON.
223. SAMUEL, b. (1769); m. and lived in London, Eng.
224. LOTHROP, b. (1760); rem. to Virginia and m. there.
225. TRISTRAM, b. (1762); m. MARY MERRY (122).
226. SARSON, b. (1764).
227. OLIVE, b. 12 Aug. 1766; m. JAMES NORTON (571) 26 Mch. 1789.
228. LYDIA, b. 4 Feb. 1772; m. MOSES HILLMAN (198) 11 Sept. 1794.
229. PAINE, b. (1774); lost at sea, never heard from.
230. PRUDENCE, b. 6 July 1776; m. NAPOLEON JONES.
I am very interested in the Samuel No. 223 who lived in England. I have a
hunch that he could be the same Samuel Chase whose career I have been
following. He was a master mariner but the earliest definate record I have
found is when his ship was captured by the Spanish off the coast of Chile in
1796. Samuel did marry in England in 1806 and had children named Lothrop and
Olive. He died in 1841 aged 75 which makes him born around 1766 which all
sort of fits with the Samuel above.
Any information would be gratefully received
Regards
Lyla
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Speaking of William the Younger, it has always been something I have kept in
the back of my mind, but I wonder where his will is? William the Elder's
will is well known and is in Plymouth Plantations archives. And, in my line,
the will of William the Younger's son, Joseph, is also known and recorded in
the microfilm of NEHGS. So, what happened to William the Younger's will in
between? Anyone have a lead on that one?
I don't know about the Native American wives theory. Did Burt give any other
evidence for this than that William the Younger was alway in trouble and
that there weren't many white settlers around? William the Elder was also
always in trouble. Seems a bit of a leap to me. One of William the Younger's
sons, Abraham, was disciplined by the Quakers for answering to his name at
the roll call for the Militia: "Thomas Earle accused Abraham Chase with
going to the train band & answering to his name which Abraham Chase owned &
condemned it before us, which we also condemn to be contrary to our
profession, Thomas Earl further charged Abraham Chase to be amongst ye
soldiers which Abraham Chase Denyed but upon search & evedence from the
Captain of the company & several other evidences Doe find yt Abraham Chase
was there a mongst soldiers & others near there about & came & answered to
his name." (you can find these records at my website under the "Quakers"
area - I transcribed them from the microfilm at the Rhode Island Historical
Society). Would a militia at the time have accepted a "half-blood" as
Abraham would have been had both wives of William the Younger been Natives?
Would Abraham have been inclined to be part of the militia with the double
constraint of being, 1) Quaker and 2) Half-native? Not definitive proof
that he isn't half-native though, certainly.
I am going to surmise that both of William the Younger's wives were Dutch
because he was always in trouble and therefore in need of a Dutch Uncle!
By the way, the wills of both William the Elder and his grandson Joseph can
be found at my website if anyone is interested (check left panel under
Wills).
Cheers,
Jeffrey
http://www.chace.demon.nl
On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Judy Needham <judyneedham(a)comcast.net>wrote:
> I have just returned from the dedication of the (late) Pauline Wixon Derick
> Room in the Dennisport, MA Public Library, sponsored in part by the Dennis
> Historical Society. This room is a repository for an incredible amount of
> genealogical material on the early history of Dennis as well as of the
> Chases. I had the chance to finally meet in person her son (he himself
> past
> retirement age at 73) Burt Derick, pre-eminent native-born Cape Cod
> Genealogist and a Chase many times over. William 2 Chase actually lived in
> that part of Yarmouth which is now Dennis, and many Chases lived right in
> the area where the line for Dennis and Harwich was drawn and changed and
> drawn again.
>
> I took the opportunity to ask Burt a few questions in the limited amount
> of
> time we had. Unfortunately, he has not studied the ancestry past William
> the Immigrant and so could offer no help/ideas/suggestions regarding Essex,
> England roots.
>
> But on the subject of the two wives of William 2 Chase, he was adamant that
> they were both Native American. As his argument, he used the fact that
> William was always in trouble, always doing something outside the law;
> there
> is absolutely no record of any kind for either of the marriages; and no
> white families other than the Bells and the Gages lived anywhere around
> where William lived. He believes that anyone who descends from William 2,
> if tested, will find that they have a certain percentage of Native American
> blood. (I've been tested, hazel-eyed blonde that I am, and have about 10%
> NA, the rest European.) This is not the DNA test, but an ancestry test.
>
> Burt is not the type to make something up from whole cloth, or take a wild
> guess at something. Everything he does is precise and extremely
> well-documented.
> Anyway- not proof or definitive answers, but I thought I would pass this
> on.
>
> Judy
>
> Judy Chace Needham
>
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Jeffrey Chace
http://www.chace.demon.nl
Hello Rex,
In your browser, hit and hold down the CTRL key and then the letter H. This
will bring up your browsing history so that you can find the site you are
talking about which houses the images from St. Mary's in Wivenhoe.
Cheers,
Jeffrey
On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 10:34 PM, <Rexchase(a)aol.com> wrote:
> Good day,
>
> Keith recently mentioned a forgotten website that cites parishes and the
> distances between same.
> Maybe this be the website:
>
> _http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/churchdb/search.html_
> (http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/churchdb/search.html)
>
> It is the parishes as of about 1837 so it may not be the one. But perhaps
> it would give a hint.
>
> Also, I found a source online a few minutes ago that provides images of all
> the records of St. Mary's in Wivenhoe and other parishes in Essex.
> However, I did not really note the website and accidentally hit the exit .
> Now, like Keith, I am trying to find "where was that site??" Damn, damn.
>
> Rex Chase
>
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Hi,
Well Done.Rex!
I do recall now having been prompted by Rex that it was a Genuki site.
The significance of the date of 1837 is probably it was from that date that
Births Deaths and Marriages had to be registered centrally. Thus making it
easier not only to administer but also easier to find people born from 1837
onwards.
The database I saw many years ago allowed you to ented a Radius in miles
and listed the churches in alphabetical order
Keith Hume
On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 10:34 PM, <Rexchase(a)aol.com> wrote:
> Good day,
>
> Keith recently mentioned a forgotten website that cites parishes and the
> distances between same.
> Maybe this be the website:
>
> _http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/churchdb/search.html_
> (http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/churchdb/search.html)
>
> It is the parishes as of about 1837 so it may not be the one. But perhaps
> it would give a hint.
>
> Also, I found a source online a few minutes ago that provides images of all
> the records of St. Mary's in Wivenhoe and other parishes in Essex.
> However, I did not really note the website and accidentally hit the exit .
> Now, like Keith, I am trying to find "where was that site??" Damn, damn.
>
> Rex Chase
>
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Hello all -
Just to add a thought about Mary Townley -- who, incidentally, also shows up in the geneology work I inherited from my grandfather, Jason Frank ("J. Frank") Chase -- I wonder if the name "Mary" was simply used more than once amongst siblings, since the noted Mary had died at a relatively young age (12)? Possibly this was done in honor and memory of the deceased child. For example, I have another line (not Chase) where the name "Phoebe Jane" was used THREE times, in the later part of the 1800's -- first for a child who died at 3 months, then for a child who died at age 11, and finally again for a child who died at age 19! There was no distinguishing feature given to each occurrence, but I have no doubt this was correct, since the person who recorded it was nephew to each of the Phoebe Janes. To use a name with the popularity and religious significance of "Mary" more than once would not be surprising. Just a thought --
-Barbara
________________________________
From: Kieth Hume <keith.hume(a)sky.com>
To: chase(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Wed, February 17, 2010 2:58:47 AM
Subject: Re: [CHASE] Mary Townley
Hi
This is a very old Chestnut.
I am a member of the British Library which allows access to rare books. The
book referred to is in the Rarea Book section.
The subject of Mary Townley is covered in considerable depth and the writer
concluded that he could find no substantive evidence that Mary Townley
married William "...of the First Fleet"
Nice to see this group is now more active again andsuch stalwarts as Lonnie
and Jeffrey and not forgetting Dick are still answering questions a lot of
them for the second or third time! Family history is the REAL never ending
story
Keep well everyone!
Keith
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 5:36 PM, L. Chase <chase(a)netecin.net> wrote:
> The book with the title listed below was written by an attorney who was
> retained by unnamed persons to go to
> England and do an in depth search for the facts about Mary Townley and the
> fortune supposedly left
> for the Chase heirs, which turned out to be a scam. For those who have Mary
> Townley for William Chase's
> wife: His wife's surname has never been discovered.
>
>
> HISTORY
>
> -OF THE-
>
> LAWRENCE-TOWNLEY,
>
> -AND-
>
> CHASE-TOWNLEY
> Estates In England.
>
> -WITH-
>
> Copious Historical and Genealogical Notes of the
> Lawrence, Chase, and Townley families, and much
> other valuable information.
>
> < BY >
> JAMES USHER,
> 9 Murray Street, New York City.
> -1883-
>
>
>
> " I also ask for any proof that Thomas and Mary Townley came. to New York,
> or that any Mary Townley married Joseph or John Lawrence, or William Chase,
> or anybody else, it being an indisputable fact that Mary Townley, daughter
> of Richard Townley and Margaret. Paston, died in 1680, at the age of 12
> years."
>
>
> "Mary Townley, born 1668, died 1680, and was buried as aforesaid in the
> Catholic Cemetery at Forde, near Little Crosby, which is located about ten
> miles north-east of Liverpool, in Lancaster County, where the Townleys have
> been buried for generations past; they being a noted Catholic family, and
> where they have a magnificent mausoleum.
> Unscrupulous parties have represented that Mary Townley married Joseph or
> John Lawrence, and William Chase, whereas she married neither, but died as
> above stated; also, that the Townley property was unclaimed, whereas it
> never was unclaimed, but simply on the death of William, passed to his
> brother John, who had only one son who predeceased his father (see page
> 79),
> and on the death of John the property then reverted to the daughters of Sir
> Charles, who are now rightfully owning and enjoying the same."
>
>
> ( these paragraphs are from the above listed book. Pages 102 and 103)
>
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Rex wrote:
<<<Also, I found a source online a few minutes ago that provides images of
all
the records of St. Mary's in Wivenhoe and other parishes in Essex.
However, I did not really note the website and accidentally hit the exit .
Now, like Keith, I am trying to find "where was that site??">>>
Was this the Website?
http://seax.essexcc.gov.uk/
This is the one with all the Essex Records that I mentioned in my first
email on the 18th about the Chases of Wivenhoe and Elmstead. There are
directions on the site as to how to go about a search. It's difficult to
make out some of the writing in some of the records - and, I think some the
records, at least the years in which we are interested, is in Latin.
I also tried that website you mentioned.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/cgi-bin/churches You can actually put in a date - I
chose 1540, Anglican Church (Church of England) and 15 miles. It gave me a
great list as well as this statement: "N.B. There are many churches for
which we have no date, so they always appear in the list."
This looks like another great resource. Thanks for sharing it!
Judy
Judy Chace Needham
Good day,
Keith recently mentioned a forgotten website that cites parishes and the
distances between same.
Maybe this be the website:
_http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/churchdb/search.html_
(http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/churchdb/search.html)
It is the parishes as of about 1837 so it may not be the one. But perhaps
it would give a hint.
Also, I found a source online a few minutes ago that provides images of all
the records of St. Mary's in Wivenhoe and other parishes in Essex.
However, I did not really note the website and accidentally hit the exit .
Now, like Keith, I am trying to find "where was that site??" Damn, damn.
Rex Chase
I have just returned from the dedication of the (late) Pauline Wixon Derick
Room in the Dennisport, MA Public Library, sponsored in part by the Dennis
Historical Society. This room is a repository for an incredible amount of
genealogical material on the early history of Dennis as well as of the
Chases. I had the chance to finally meet in person her son (he himself past
retirement age at 73) Burt Derick, pre-eminent native-born Cape Cod
Genealogist and a Chase many times over. William 2 Chase actually lived in
that part of Yarmouth which is now Dennis, and many Chases lived right in
the area where the line for Dennis and Harwich was drawn and changed and
drawn again.
I took the opportunity to ask Burt a few questions in the limited amount of
time we had. Unfortunately, he has not studied the ancestry past William
the Immigrant and so could offer no help/ideas/suggestions regarding Essex,
England roots.
But on the subject of the two wives of William 2 Chase, he was adamant that
they were both Native American. As his argument, he used the fact that
William was always in trouble, always doing something outside the law; there
is absolutely no record of any kind for either of the marriages; and no
white families other than the Bells and the Gages lived anywhere around
where William lived. He believes that anyone who descends from William 2,
if tested, will find that they have a certain percentage of Native American
blood. (I've been tested, hazel-eyed blonde that I am, and have about 10%
NA, the rest European.) This is not the DNA test, but an ancestry test.
Burt is not the type to make something up from whole cloth, or take a wild
guess at something. Everything he does is precise and extremely
well-documented.
Anyway- not proof or definitive answers, but I thought I would pass this on.
Judy
Judy Chace Needham
Once again using the marriage records that Jeffrey has posted on his web
site and other materials available to me, I found this interesting
connection:
>From "The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633,
Volumes I-III" (Online database: NewEnglandAncestors.org, New England
Historic Genealogical Society, 2002), (Orig. Pub. New England Historic
Genealogical Society. Robert Charles Anderson, The Great Migration Begins:
Immigrants to New England 1620-1633, Volumes I-III, 3 vols., 1995), Robert
Charles Anderson makes this interesting observation:
<<ASSOCIATIONS: Late in his life William Chase was frequently associated
with Robert Dennis and his wife Mary. On 3 October 1654 Robert Dennis acted
"in the behalf of William Chase" in settling a debt [ PCR 7:72]. Mary Dennis
witnessed the will of William Chase, Robert Dennis was one of the appraisers
of the estate, and Robert Dennis was ordered to divide the estate. This is
merely suggestive, and may only reflect a friendship developed after having
resided for several years in Yarmouth.">>
RCA obviously found this "association" worthy of remark. When we look at
marriage records in Essex, England, we find:
1577 CHASE John & Elizabeth DENNIS Wyvenhoe
Was it a simple friendship, or was there a familial connection? As an
appraiser, and being ordered to divide the estate, Robert Dennis could be
implied to be more than just "friend" as Anderson suggests.
Judy Chace Needham
Hi,
In my original Chase Web Site,( The remains of which were picked up by a
Web Crawler and archived), Ginger had a page written by herself about her
research.
I am ever remoreseful that I never backed the site up BEFORE it was
abruptly closed due to " Astrage System Failure"
I have the address of the remains of the site and will look it out but
doubtless the industrious Jeffrey will beat me to it! :)
Keith Hume. "Ginger" did send me a photocopy of the original William entry
in the Wivenhoe birth register.
Again I will have to search it out,
I have a Book published by "Ginger" with all this and a wealth of other
information.
Keith Hume
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:16 PM, <Rexchase(a)aol.com> wrote:
> Hello all,
> In Keith's note he mentions that Ginger "actually got copies from the
> original Wivenhoe Register." And Jeffrey said that Ginger told him to look
> for
> some little pieces of paper at the ERO.
>
> Who has Ginger's notes? Some member of her family or did she donate them
> to some genealogy organization?
>
> Let's hope that the friend of Jeffrey's sends him a photograph of the
> records well before the end of the year - while the interest in this issue
> is
> still there.
>
> Rex chase
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> .
>
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I have been doing a bit of on-line searching in Wivenhoe and Elmstead.
Elmstead is a neighboring parish to Wivenhoe, 5 minutes by auto or 35
minutes by foot. Go to Google maps to check this out - where you can also
see pictures of the countryside. On the map, you may be able to locate
other nearby parishes, home to Chaces, to study.
ELMSTEAD RECORDS re: Pagespightell
In 18 March 1499 Richard Baldewyn and William Killer DEMISED to John
Huberd, junior, William Chace senior, James Turnebulle, William Stevyn
junior and John Huberd senior of Elmstead 2 crofts (2 acres) in Elmstead,
called "Boures Pightele" or Pagespightell" by the lane leading from "Sabbes
Lane" to the tenement of John Sayer called "Hathe House". (DEMISE in this
case is a conveyance of property usually an interest in land such for a
certain term of years.)
On 20 December 1522 John Chace of Elmstead, son and heir of William Chace
GRANTED to Margery Heke, widow, of Thorington, John Page junior and William
Huberd at Ketuls the property "Pagespightell" at Elmstead. (GRANT means to
transfer rights in real property.)
The next day, 21 December 1522, these same people turned around and GRANTED
to William Chace of Elmstead, senior, John Lokke and William Hubbard at
market of the same, junior the same property which they had of the FEOFFMENT
of John Chace, son and heir of William Chace, late of Elmstead 20 December
1522. Witnesses on DORSE: William Pyrton, esq.; Sir William Pyrton, John
Bovyr; John Chace of Elmstead; Hugh Brown.
(FEOFFMENT is the total relinquishment and transfer of all rights of
ownership in land from one individual to another. New owner has a right to
sell the land and to pass it on to his heirs.) (I am not sure to what the
phrase "at market of the same" actually refers - the value, or something
about William Hubbard, junior.)
On 14 September 1539, William Chace son and heir of William Chace of
Elmstead, at the request of his brother John Chace, and in fulfilment of his
father's will, DEMISED this property to John Chace and Joan his wife.
On 16 September 1541 the property was DEMISED from William Hubbard, formerly
of Elmstead, now of Brightlingsea, at request of William Chace, to William
Chace.
Now, this takes us back quite a bit before "our" William Chace/Chase, but it
does prove that there was indeed a Chace family close by to Wivenhoe.
And, for those of you who have read this far, you can see more of the Essex
records online. Right now, I am studying a digitized copy of
records/registers from the parish of Elmstead, which as well as being
occasionally in Latin, are in a handwriting which takes time to decipher.
Go to http://seax.essexcc.gov.uk
Happy hunting!
Judy
Judy Chace Needham
Hello Laurence,
Wow. So, if William and Mary were in Wivenhoe having a baby boy named James
in 1639, it would be difficult for them to be the parents of Benjamin who
was being born in 1639 on the other side of the ocean. Hmmmmm. And, since
their first son appears to have been Benjamin who was born in 1624, it means
that they are not the William and Mary for whom we are looking. Strange that
the Rector of Wivenhoe didn't report this to Banks since the records had
been transcribed in 1890. I guess this all means we need to keep looking. I
found the entry for D/P 277/1/18 at the ERO website, but nothing more than
the reference to it. You don't happen to have any copies of the
transcription do you?
Cheers,
Jeffrey
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 6:23 PM, Laurence Chase
<ldccmail-roots(a)yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
> I am not one of William's descendants, but follow the messages with
> interest. R.H. Browne of Stapleford Abbotts in Essex transcribed the
> Wivenhoe Registers in 1890. They can be found in Essex County RO under ref
> D/P 277/1/18, and have been filmed by FHL ref 1565609, so are accessible to
> all. The transcript shows 21 Chase baptisms between 1566 (John son of John)
> and 1639 (James son of William and Mary). They include William son of
> Benjamin Chase on 20-11-1597, one of five children. There is another
> sequence of eight baptisms between 1624 and 1639. The first is for Benjamin
> son of William and Mary Chase bp 5-7-1624. The obvious but not definite
> conclusion is these records show three generations of the same family in
> Wivenhoe (Benjamin-William-Benjamin), and that William was still in Wivenhoe
> in 1639.
> Laurence
>
> --- On Wed, 17/2/10, Jeffrey Chace <j.b.chace(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Jeffrey Chace <j.b.chace(a)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [CHASE] William Chase
> To: chase(a)rootsweb.com
> Date: Wednesday, 17 February, 2010, 11:52
>
> Hello All,
>
> As Keith said, I have been to Chelmsford (England) to the Essex Records
> Office and spent some very interesting days there. I wrote a small piece
> about this experience which can be found at my website. Also, I recorded
> all
> of the mentions of Chases/Chaces that I could find in their records and
> posted this at my website too. Essex, and particularly the six square miles
> surrounding Wivenhoe, was a hotbed of Chace family activity in the
> 1300-1600s as you will see if you look at these records. My website is
> http://www.chace.demon.nl and you can find most of the information I am
> mentioning under the "He Came from England" folder on the left-hand
> navigation panel. While at the ERO, I didn't find the "small pieces of
> paper" that have Wivenhoe Parish records on them that Ginger told me to
> look
> for. However, I have been in contact with someone who has seen birth and
> death records in Wivenhoe which record the birth of a William Chase and
> took
> photographs of them and has promised to send me digital copies sometime
> this
> year. This contact of mine is 100% convinced that this is the correct
> William and that he was born in Wivenhoe and that the birthrecords are
> definitive. So, I will keep you posted about that. Interestingly, Colonel
> Charles Banks, author of The Winthrop Fleet of 1630 and dedicated
> researcher
> of the early English emigrants of the 1600s, sent a letter to the Wivenhoe
> Parish to attempt to locate records of William's birth, but the response he
> received is as follows:
>
> The Rectory
> Wivenhoe, Essex
> May 22nd 1929
>
> ---------------------
>
> Dear Sir,
>
> I have received your letter (with enclosure for which I thank you)
> and have made an exhaustive search of our transcribed registers.
> There is no record of the baptism of any person named
> William Chase or Chace. The only baptism recorded in the
> name of Chase or Chace between the years 1566-1807 is
> John Chase in 1566.
> The further following, mainly negative, information
> may be of interest or use to you.
> In 1591, a Benjamin Chase was married to Hellen Harvie.
> I sought for the record of the burial of Benjamin Chase -
> but no Chase was buried between the years 1600-1700.
> I sought also for the marriage of William Chase, the emigrant.
> It is not recorded, but there is a hiatus in our marriage register
> from 1624-1647 - owing either to the loss of a few pages or
> to neglect on the part of my predecessor during those years.
> You will not also that there is alos no record of the
> baptism of Benjamin or William, sons of the emigrant.
> I am sorry I can give you no more helpful information.
>
> Yours truly
> Robert H. Jack.
> ----------------------
>
> Colonel Charles E. Banks.
> Boston
> -------------
> So, it is interesting that there have been subsequent successful attempts
> to
> find these records. I have also visited Wivenhoe, also in Essex, and to my
> surprise found a good dozen buildings that date from the period when
> William
> would have walked the town. I put an album of photos from my trip online.
> If
> you are interested, you can find it here:
>
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/j.b.chace/Wivenhoe?authkey=Gv1sRgCODJ9LeZgKrXLA#
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jeffrey
> http://www.chace.demon.nl
>
> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:06 AM, Kieth Hume <keith.hume(a)sky.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > I think the more likely date of William's birth is earlier at around
> 1597
> > at Wivenhoe in Essex,
> > Although this is only 1 hours drive from my home I made one attempt to
> go
> > there but my car got smashed up by a big lorry backing into me and I
> never
> > tried again.
> > However exhaustive searching of Essex county records
> > ,( Jeffrey Chase ) did a lot of work there still suggests that "the late
> > "Ginger" Christensen who lived in England and did a great deal of work
> > around the country concluded that it wa 90% sure that William came from
> > there and the Name of Benjamin was also recorded as his ancestor.
> > She actually got copies from the original Wivenhoe Register.
> > Keith Hume
> > On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 7:29 PM, Philip Walls <Phil_walls(a)msn.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > My understanding is that William Chase is the start of one of the 3
> Chase
> > > lines in the US. I am not totally sure who this person was. It seems a
> > > likely candidate based upon what I have for the Chase family is a
> William
> > > Chase b.1607 in England and d.1659 in MA. Is this the correct William
> or
> > can
> > > another be identified?
> > >
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> > quotes
> > > in the subject and the body of the message
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> >
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>
>
> --
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> http://www.chace.demon.nl
>
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I am not one of William's descendants, but follow the messages with interest. R.H. Browne of Stapleford Abbotts in Essex transcribed the Wivenhoe Registers in 1890. They can be found in Essex County RO under ref D/P 277/1/18, and have been filmed by FHL ref 1565609, so are accessible to all. The transcript shows 21 Chase baptisms between 1566 (John son of John) and 1639 (James son of William and Mary). They include William son of Benjamin Chase on 20-11-1597, one of five children. There is another sequence of eight baptisms between 1624 and 1639. The first is for Benjamin son of William and Mary Chase bp 5-7-1624. The obvious but not definite conclusion is these records show three generations of the same family in Wivenhoe (Benjamin-William-Benjamin), and that William was still in Wivenhoe in 1639.
Laurence
--- On Wed, 17/2/10, Jeffrey Chace <j.b.chace(a)gmail.com> wrote:
From: Jeffrey Chace <j.b.chace(a)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [CHASE] William Chase
To: chase(a)rootsweb.com
Date: Wednesday, 17 February, 2010, 11:52
Hello All,
As Keith said, I have been to Chelmsford (England) to the Essex Records
Office and spent some very interesting days there. I wrote a small piece
about this experience which can be found at my website. Also, I recorded all
of the mentions of Chases/Chaces that I could find in their records and
posted this at my website too. Essex, and particularly the six square miles
surrounding Wivenhoe, was a hotbed of Chace family activity in the
1300-1600s as you will see if you look at these records. My website is
http://www.chace.demon.nl and you can find most of the information I am
mentioning under the "He Came from England" folder on the left-hand
navigation panel. While at the ERO, I didn't find the "small pieces of
paper" that have Wivenhoe Parish records on them that Ginger told me to look
for. However, I have been in contact with someone who has seen birth and
death records in Wivenhoe which record the birth of a William Chase and took
photographs of them and has promised to send me digital copies sometime this
year. This contact of mine is 100% convinced that this is the correct
William and that he was born in Wivenhoe and that the birthrecords are
definitive. So, I will keep you posted about that. Interestingly, Colonel
Charles Banks, author of The Winthrop Fleet of 1630 and dedicated researcher
of the early English emigrants of the 1600s, sent a letter to the Wivenhoe
Parish to attempt to locate records of William's birth, but the response he
received is as follows:
The Rectory
Wivenhoe, Essex
May 22nd 1929
---------------------
Dear Sir,
I have received your letter (with enclosure for which I thank you)
and have made an exhaustive search of our transcribed registers.
There is no record of the baptism of any person named
William Chase or Chace. The only baptism recorded in the
name of Chase or Chace between the years 1566-1807 is
John Chase in 1566.
The further following, mainly negative, information
may be of interest or use to you.
In 1591, a Benjamin Chase was married to Hellen Harvie.
I sought for the record of the burial of Benjamin Chase -
but no Chase was buried between the years 1600-1700.
I sought also for the marriage of William Chase, the emigrant.
It is not recorded, but there is a hiatus in our marriage register
from 1624-1647 - owing either to the loss of a few pages or
to neglect on the part of my predecessor during those years.
You will not also that there is alos no record of the
baptism of Benjamin or William, sons of the emigrant.
I am sorry I can give you no more helpful information.
Yours truly
Robert H. Jack.
----------------------
Colonel Charles E. Banks.
Boston
-------------
So, it is interesting that there have been subsequent successful attempts to
find these records. I have also visited Wivenhoe, also in Essex, and to my
surprise found a good dozen buildings that date from the period when William
would have walked the town. I put an album of photos from my trip online. If
you are interested, you can find it here:
http://picasaweb.google.com/j.b.chace/Wivenhoe?authkey=Gv1sRgCODJ9LeZgKrXLA#
Cheers,
Jeffrey
http://www.chace.demon.nl
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:06 AM, Kieth Hume <keith.hume(a)sky.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> I think the more likely date of William's birth is earlier at around 1597
> at Wivenhoe in Essex,
> Although this is only 1 hours drive from my home I made one attempt to go
> there but my car got smashed up by a big lorry backing into me and I never
> tried again.
> However exhaustive searching of Essex county records
> ,( Jeffrey Chase ) did a lot of work there still suggests that "the late
> "Ginger" Christensen who lived in England and did a great deal of work
> around the country concluded that it wa 90% sure that William came from
> there and the Name of Benjamin was also recorded as his ancestor.
> She actually got copies from the original Wivenhoe Register.
> Keith Hume
> On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 7:29 PM, Philip Walls <Phil_walls(a)msn.com> wrote:
>
> > My understanding is that William Chase is the start of one of the 3 Chase
> > lines in the US. I am not totally sure who this person was. It seems a
> > likely candidate based upon what I have for the Chase family is a William
> > Chase b.1607 in England and d.1659 in MA. Is this the correct William or
> can
> > another be identified?
> >
> > -------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
> > CHASE-request(a)rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the
> quotes
> > in the subject and the body of the message
> >
>
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Hello all,
In Keith's note he mentions that Ginger "actually got copies from the
original Wivenhoe Register." And Jeffrey said that Ginger told him to look for
some little pieces of paper at the ERO.
Who has Ginger's notes? Some member of her family or did she donate them
to some genealogy organization?
Let's hope that the friend of Jeffrey's sends him a photograph of the
records well before the end of the year - while the interest in this issue is
still there.
Rex chase
.
Hi,
I think the more likely date of William's birth is earlier at around 1597
at Wivenhoe in Essex,
Although this is only 1 hours drive from my home I made one attempt to go
there but my car got smashed up by a big lorry backing into me and I never
tried again.
However exhaustive searching of Essex county records
,( Jeffrey Chase ) did a lot of work there still suggests that "the late
"Ginger" Christensen who lived in England and did a great deal of work
around the country concluded that it wa 90% sure that William came from
there and the Name of Benjamin was also recorded as his ancestor.
She actually got copies from the original Wivenhoe Register.
Keith Hume
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 7:29 PM, Philip Walls <Phil_walls(a)msn.com> wrote:
> My understanding is that William Chase is the start of one of the 3 Chase
> lines in the US. I am not totally sure who this person was. It seems a
> likely candidate based upon what I have for the Chase family is a William
> Chase b.1607 in England and d.1659 in MA. Is this the correct William or can
> another be identified?
>
> -------------------------------
> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
> CHASE-request(a)rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes
> in the subject and the body of the message
>
Another thing about the Chase Fortune hoax: because of human nature (and our
ancestors were oh so human), many of them scrambled around to document their
genealogy in the 19th century to prove their claims to the "fortune" and
because of our good friend avarice, they left behind much wonderful
information that may have been lost had it not been for the Nigerian 419
scam equivalent of the 1800s (there were other similar frauds being
perpetrated on other families too) and people's gullibility to fall for it!
Cheers,
Jeffrey
http://www.chace.demon.nl
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 8:28 PM, Dee Jarden <deejarden(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> that in itself is good info for the William line
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 20:24:06 +0100
> > From: j.b.chace(a)gmail.com
> > To: chase(a)rootsweb.com
> > Subject: Re: [CHASE] Children of William Chase abt 1620
> >
> > No relation between William and Thomas. But, I would like to add that for
> > some of us there are plenty of reason to pursue his family! :) Also, I
> can
> > tell you from experience that sometimes it is very helpful to know the
> lines
> > of the "other" Chase families and common names in their lines and areas
> they
> > lived since you can sometimes quickly determine that you are
> investigating a
> > line that is not going to lead you back to the ancestor you are trying to
> > link to. For example, if I see that somebody is from Newburyport,
> > Massachusetts, then ding, ding, ding, I am fairly certain that they are a
> > Thomas or Aquila descendant and not a William descendant. If there is a
> > "Dudley" or "Follansbee" in the mix, then it is not a William descendant.
> > However, if they were from Swansea, or Tiverton, or Fall River, or there
> is
> > a Sherman or a Slade, or a Cornell in the mix then chances are high that
> > they are descended from William.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Jeffrey Chace
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Philip Walls <Phil_walls(a)msn.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > I don't know anything about a "Chase Fortune." I am mainly trying to
> > > understand the ancestry of a relative of my wife. I think this person,
> David
> > > Ambrose Chase, descends from Thomas Chase. My understanding so far is
> that
> > > Thomas and Aquila were brothers. I have read that William is definitely
> not
> > > yet a third brother but possibly he was a cousin of Thomas and Aquila.
> Does
> > > anybody know the validity of this possible relationship? I find
> William's
> > > family difficult to figure out. If he is no relation to Thomas then
> there is
> > > no real reason to pursue his family.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Jeffrey Chace<mailto:j.b.chace@gmail.com>
> > > To: chase(a)rootsweb.com<mailto:chase@rootsweb.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 7:26 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [CHASE] Children of William Chase abt 1620
> > >
> > >
> > > Ah, now we can start on all of the legends surrounding William and
> "Lady
> > > Mary Townley." And, the "Chase Fortune."
> > >
> > > One genealogy to which I lend much credence for information about
> William
> > > you can find here:
> > > http://www.archive.org/details/genealogyancest00unkngoog<
> > > http://www.archive.org/details/genealogyancest00unkngoog>
> > >
> > > Surely there are mistakes to be found, but the information is mostly
> free
> > > of
> > > embellishments and/or hearsay. The man who wrote it, Oliver Chace, was
> a
> > > very serious character. Take a look.
> > >
> > > I will write more when I have some time.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Jeffrey
> > > On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 2:13 PM, <RichardAHayes(a)bex.net<mailto:
> > > RichardAHayes(a)bex.net>> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Philip,
> > > >
> > > > Look at what I have on my website at
> > > www.angelfire.com/ga4/myhayes_family/<
> > > http://www.angelfire.com/ga4/myhayes_family/>
> > > > for the information that I have on the William
> > > > Chase that you are asking about.
> > > >
> > > > Richard
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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I don't know anything about a "Chase Fortune." I am mainly trying to understand the ancestry of a relative of my wife. I think this person, David Ambrose Chase, descends from Thomas Chase. My understanding so far is that Thomas and Aquila were brothers. I have read that William is definitely not yet a third brother but possibly he was a cousin of Thomas and Aquila. Does anybody know the validity of this possible relationship? I find William's family difficult to figure out. If he is no relation to Thomas then there is no real reason to pursue his family.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeffrey Chace<mailto:j.b.chace@gmail.com>
To: chase(a)rootsweb.com<mailto:chase@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 7:26 AM
Subject: Re: [CHASE] Children of William Chase abt 1620
Ah, now we can start on all of the legends surrounding William and "Lady
Mary Townley." And, the "Chase Fortune."
One genealogy to which I lend much credence for information about William
you can find here:
http://www.archive.org/details/genealogyancest00unkngoog<http://www.archive.org/details/genealogyancest00unkngoog>
Surely there are mistakes to be found, but the information is mostly free of
embellishments and/or hearsay. The man who wrote it, Oliver Chace, was a
very serious character. Take a look.
I will write more when I have some time.
Cheers,
Jeffrey
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 2:13 PM, <RichardAHayes(a)bex.net<mailto:RichardAHayes@bex.net>> wrote:
> Hi Philip,
>
> Look at what I have on my website at www.angelfire.com/ga4/myhayes_family/<http://www.angelfire.com/ga4/myhayes_family/>
> for the information that I have on the William
> Chase that you are asking about.
>
> Richard
>
>
>
>
>
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The book with the title listed below was written by an attorney who was
retained by unnamed persons to go to
England and do an in depth search for the facts about Mary Townley and the
fortune supposedly left
for the Chase heirs, which turned out to be a scam. For those who have Mary
Townley for William Chase's
wife: His wife's surname has never been discovered.
HISTORY
-OF THE-
LAWRENCE-TOWNLEY,
-AND-
CHASE-TOWNLEY
Estates In England.
-WITH-
Copious Historical and Genealogical Notes of the
Lawrence, Chase, and Townley families, and much
other valuable information.
< BY >
JAMES USHER,
9 Murray Street, New York City.
-1883-
" I also ask for any proof that Thomas and Mary Townley came. to New York,
or that any Mary Townley married Joseph or John Lawrence, or William Chase,
or anybody else, it being an indisputable fact that Mary Townley, daughter
of Richard Townley and Margaret. Paston, died in 1680, at the age of 12
years."
"Mary Townley, born 1668, died 1680, and was buried as aforesaid in the
Catholic Cemetery at Forde, near Little Crosby, which is located about ten
miles north-east of Liverpool, in Lancaster County, where the Townleys have
been buried for generations past; they being a noted Catholic family, and
where they have a magnificent mausoleum.
Unscrupulous parties have represented that Mary Townley married Joseph or
John Lawrence, and William Chase, whereas she married neither, but died as
above stated; also, that the Townley property was unclaimed, whereas it
never was unclaimed, but simply on the death of William, passed to his
brother John, who had only one son who predeceased his father (see page 79),
and on the death of John the property then reverted to the daughters of Sir
Charles, who are now rightfully owning and enjoying the same."
( these paragraphs are from the above listed book. Pages 102 and 103)
Hi Philip,
Look at what I have on my website at www.angelfire.com/ga4/myhayes_family/
for the information that I have on the William
Chase that you are asking about.
Richard
I know that the dates of William's children are not known with certainty but has anyone made a reasonable attempt at dividing the children between the two wives (Holder and Hale) or coming up with the children that should be assigned to each wife. Available data is especially bad (only one child in the tree, all children assigned to each wife, etc.) Looking for good realistic data for the family of William Chase (b. approximately 1595 o 1607) and Mary Townley.