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This is my first time posting to this list so I hope that you will bear with
me. I am trying to find whether my ggg-grandmother is Sylvia Chase. Part I
of this post is what is known from the Chase Family Tree website and Part II
is what I know about my ggg-grandparents.
Part I Chase Family Tree Information
Sylvia Chase b. 4 Jun 1791
Father: Mordicai Chase
Mother: Patience Johnson
Spouse: Nathan Pierce
Father: Eliakim Pierce (information from Ardis
Pierce)
Part II My ggg-grandparents Information
c.1790 Nathan Pierce born, NY (census data)
c.1792 Sylvia LNU born, NY (census data)
1810 Cynthia Pierce, daughter born, NY (census data) (my gg-grandmother)
(I have seen on other websites that Nathan
Pierce and Sylvia Chase were married in 1809 in NY. This would be
consistent with the date of Cynthia's birth)
c. 1829 Cynthia Pierce, daughter, married Benona Mosher, NY
(Benona was born in Oswego Co., NY)
1840 Nathan Pierce and Benoni Mosher shown as heads of
household in Troy, Delaware Co., OH census
1844 Nathan Pierce listed on Columbia Twp, Whitley Co., IN
tax records
1850 Nathan and Sylva Pierce listed on Whitley Co., IN
census
1855 son Joseph Pierce died and willed all property to
father Nathan Pierce (Whitley Co., IN)
1860 Nathan and Sylvia Pierce not found in any census
records
1862 Nathan Pierce was shown as landowner in Whitley Co., IN
I have found no death records for either Nathan or Sylvia Pierce.
Benona and Cynthia Pierce Mosher's oldest son is Eliakim Mosher (my
ggrandfather). Was he named for his ggrandfather?
Any assistance with this brick wall will be greatly appreciated.
Shirley Smith
Hi,Lisa,
Thank you for your email.
I would be delighted to see you should ever come to the UK.
Yes Scotland is VERY beautiful and,for me, the best ti8me is in the
autumn,(Fall)
Some of the scenery is breathtaking at that time of year.
My friend has a converted barn about 4 miles south of Loch Ness and the
views are marvellous. Isay barn but it is a lovely place with the Loch edge
200 yards away.
In Scotland there is no Law of Trespass so this allows fairly free movement
except in the Hunting season. An area some 50 yards around the edge of ANY
Loch allows unfettered access.
We live some 15 minutes by non stop train from Victoria station. We now
live in a Retirement flat which is really 2 combined as one. Yhere is also a
very nice guest flat with separate facilities that cost the ludicrous sum of
$20 a night
Keep very well Lisa and also for your husband.
You like a few of us belong to the old school of research into our
families. After 70 years away from the country of my birth we aare going on
a month visit in November to "OZ" to link with our large family and present
the family history.
This new system of largew online storage and computing power is going to be
a boon as I will not have to make copies om DVD
Your very sincere friend Keith and our family.
On 6/21/08, Lisa Cleversey Martin <lclevers(a)cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Sorry everyone Last week was a very busy week wit Fathers Day, Birthday and
> anniversary... So I got out of the loop with the list.
> Keith on you not receiving a copy of your message I'm not sure why that is
> I
> searched Rootsweb end and can't find any reasoning. It looks to be on your
> mail server end. As far as what address to send messages to? Well when
> Rootsweb changed servers it gave us the option to use CHASE(a)rootsweb.comor
> CHASE-L(a)rootsweb.com both go the same place. As far as I'm seeming your
> post are getting to the list...
> One more thing on the misspelling of your name go into your mail program
> under accounts and you can edit the spelling there usually just by clicking
> on properties...
>
> I'm sure your ears were burning recently for I was talking to my husband
> and
> said if we could take one trip overseas I would like to see Scotland and
> London, and while in London I will have to look up Keith.
>
> Lisa
>
>
> -------------------------------
> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
> CHASE-request(a)rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes
> in the subject and the body of the message
>
For those that miss messages that they send, you might try switching over to
the digest. I get everything. I'm not exactly how to tell you to switch to
the digest... anyone else know?
Susan Heider
Zionsville, Indiana
317-408-9192 cell
866-274-9809 fax
Never Give Up, Never Surrender! Commander Peter Quincy Taggart, Galaxy Quest
-----Original Message-----
From: chase-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:chase-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
Behalf Of chase-request(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: June 14, 2008 3:03 AM
To: chase(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: CHASE Digest, Vol 3, Issue 47
Today's Topics:
1. Re: Test (Kieth Hume)
2. Re: Test (Kieth Hume)
3. Re: Test (Jeffrey Chace)
4. Re: Test (Kieth Hume)
5. Re: Test (Jeffrey Chace)
<<SNIPPED>>
I sent the TEST email because I was not sure if chase(a)rootsweb.com was the
correct email for the group. The reason for this is that as a Group member I
should also receive a copy of what I send. With my current BB supplier I do
not but do get the other Group postings.
<<SNIPPED>>
Message: 3
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 11:41:50 +0200
From: "Jeffrey Chace" <j.b.chace(a)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [CHASE] Test
To: chase(a)rootsweb.com
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Keith and All,
I no longer receive the Chase List emails that I send. Only ones that others
send. I don't know for certain, but suspect that this is a change in the
configuration of the way the mailing list is operating. Also, now emails to
chase(a)rootsweb.com get to the List the same as emails sent to
Chase-L(a)rootsweb.com
In the Franklin County (Ohio) Gravestone Photos etc data on line, giving a
listing of burials in Franklin City:
"Platt, Benjamin N d
"Twelve or fifteen graves were opened this
forenoon, among them were those of Mrs
Benjamin Platt and his wife, Adah, who
were the parents of Mr August Platt, now
living, and grand parents of Wm A Platt,
of the gas works. Mr Platt was born in
1757, and died in 1833, at the age of 76
years.... Mrs Platt was born a year later
than her husband, and was buried in 1825
...
"In the same box were placed the skull
and bones of JOSHUA CHASE, a brother-
in-law of Mr Augustus Platt, who died of
cholera in 1851, while on a visit here.
--Dispatch Apr 24, 1872."
I hope these folks belong to somebody.
Jan T
**************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best
2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102)
Keith (or should I say Kieth!),
Your descendants will be debating tooth and nail 350 years ago about weather
their GGGGGGGGGGGGGGreat Grandpappy, Keith Hume, spelled his first name
Keith or Kieth! :) I will look forward to seeing the scan of the page from
Ginger's book. But, please, don't go to too much trouble. It will be nice
whenever you can get to it. Thanks a million.
Cheers,
Jeffrey
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 6:23 PM, Kieth Hume <keith.hume(a)sky.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the information,Jeffrey.
> I will see if my local print shop can copy the page 21 of Ginger's book to
> disc. As I have said I found the actual text unintelligble but as Ginger
> had
> the page translated I have to believe what ishe says/ Apparently she found
> the information at Essex county archives.
> As an up to date example of what can happen to names you only have to look
> at mine as shown on my emails. My name is KEITH not KIETH ! Undoubtedly my
> fault.
> The only excuse I have is failing eyesight and a lack of care in ensuring
> I
> spelt my name correctly!
>
>
>
> On 6/13/08, Jeffrey Chace <j.b.chace(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Keith and All,
> >
> > I no longer receive the Chase List emails that I send. Only ones that
> > others
> > send. I don't know for certain, but suspect that this is a change in the
> > configuration of the way the mailing list is operating. Also, now emails
> to
> > chase(a)rootsweb.com get to the List the same as emails sent to
> > Chase-L(a)rootsweb.com
> >
> > Whenever I want to see if a message that I sent has made to the list
> > because
> > I have a doubt for some reason or another, I just check the List Archive.
> I
> > go to http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/chase and then scroll down
> to
> > the bottom and check the latest emails from this month and if mine is
> > there,
> > I know it made it. If not, I send it again. The archive has all of the
> > messages ever sent to the Chase-L list since its inception. It is an
> > invaluable source of information for new members.
> >
> > The List is also searchable at
> > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CHASE which can make
> > finding emails about a particular subject easier.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Jeffrey
> > http://www.chace.demon.nl
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Kieth Hume <keith.hume(a)sky.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,Again,
> > > I now realise that the emails from myself to Jeffrey may not have got
> to
> > > the group as I missed the "L" out !
> > > Keith
> > >
> > >
> > > On 6/12/08, Barry & Maggie <prishep(a)telus.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Kieth
> > > >
> > > > New spelling, EH!! If you get to go through Vancouver on this Aussie
> > trip
> > > > please feel free to stop by. I am a very good cook.
> > > >
> > > > Barry
> > > >
> > > > 4607 John Street
> > > > Vancouver, BC
> > > > 604-874-7007
> > > >
> > > > Test done
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Kieth Hume" <keith.hume(a)sky.com>
> > > > To: <CHASE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 7:45 AM
> > > > Subject: [CHASE] Test
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Test
> > > > > KH
> > > > >
> > > > > -------------------------------
> > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
> > > > CHASE-request(a)rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the
> > > quotes
> > > > in
> > > > the subject and the body of the message
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -------------------------------
> > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
> > > > CHASE-request(a)rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the
> > > quotes
> > > > in the subject and the body of the message
> > > >
> > >
> > > -------------------------------
> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
> > > CHASE-request(a)rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the
> > quotes
> > > in the subject and the body of the message
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jeffrey Chace
> > http://www.chace.demon.nl
> >
> > -------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
> > CHASE-request(a)rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the
> quotes
> > in the subject and the body of the message
> >
>
> -------------------------------
> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
> CHASE-request(a)rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes
> in the subject and the body of the message
>
--
Jeffrey Chace
http://www.chace.demon.nl
Keith and All,
I no longer receive the Chase List emails that I send. Only ones that others
send. I don't know for certain, but suspect that this is a change in the
configuration of the way the mailing list is operating. Also, now emails to
chase(a)rootsweb.com get to the List the same as emails sent to
Chase-L(a)rootsweb.com
Whenever I want to see if a message that I sent has made to the list because
I have a doubt for some reason or another, I just check the List Archive. I
go to http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/chase and then scroll down to
the bottom and check the latest emails from this month and if mine is there,
I know it made it. If not, I send it again. The archive has all of the
messages ever sent to the Chase-L list since its inception. It is an
invaluable source of information for new members.
The List is also searchable at
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=CHASE which can make
finding emails about a particular subject easier.
Cheers,
Jeffrey
http://www.chace.demon.nl
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Kieth Hume <keith.hume(a)sky.com> wrote:
> Hi,Again,
> I now realise that the emails from myself to Jeffrey may not have got to
> the group as I missed the "L" out !
> Keith
>
>
> On 6/12/08, Barry & Maggie <prishep(a)telus.net> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Kieth
> >
> > New spelling, EH!! If you get to go through Vancouver on this Aussie trip
> > please feel free to stop by. I am a very good cook.
> >
> > Barry
> >
> > 4607 John Street
> > Vancouver, BC
> > 604-874-7007
> >
> > Test done
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Kieth Hume" <keith.hume(a)sky.com>
> > To: <CHASE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 7:45 AM
> > Subject: [CHASE] Test
> >
> >
> > > Test
> > > KH
> > >
> > > -------------------------------
> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
> > CHASE-request(a)rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the
> quotes
> > in
> > the subject and the body of the message
> >
> >
> >
> > -------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
> > CHASE-request(a)rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the
> quotes
> > in the subject and the body of the message
> >
>
> -------------------------------
> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
> CHASE-request(a)rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes
> in the subject and the body of the message
>
--
Jeffrey Chace
http://www.chace.demon.nl
Hi,Barry and Maggie!
Firstly the name is in error, of course. Trying to change it is proving a
lot of hassle.
As I am a Sky TV subscriber I get free Broadband and not surprisingly it is
VERY good as it ts British Telecom's service under another name.
I sent the TEST email because I was not sure if chase(a)rootsweb.com was the
correct email for the group. The reason for this is that as a Group member I
should also receive a copy of what I send. With my current BB supplier I do
not but do get the other Group postings. That is how I picked up on the
never endind discussion as to whether Willim " of the First Fleet" was CHASE
or CHACE. The only thing I am interested in is the truth or as near as is
possible to get. This means assessing the "facts" and concluding the most
"probable" answer.
To cut to the .....er....Chase did you see the exchange of emails between
Jeffrey Chace and myself?
All I want to know is if my responses got to the Case Group as it has all
gone strangely quiet since my last email on the subject.
As for myself Iris, my wife, and I are going to "OZ" in November to see the
many relatives we have there and I am furiously working
to complete the family history as it related to them for they are all
descended from my Grandfather ,John Hume, and his wife who went to "OZ" in
1860. If you think I have skipped a generation you should know that he was
55 when my father was born and I was born when my Dad was 40.
Having moved into a retirement flat I have had to dispose of a lot of
"baggage! and a severe pruning of some 15 to 20 thousand documents.
As to your offer I have but 2 other places I would like to go to and one is
a cruise aong the Inside passage to Alaska. So if I ever do make it it would
probably be next year or never. I will certainly avail myself of your kind
offer.
Well I will finish now but I would appreciate it if you let me know if the
emails re CHASE?CHACE? got to the group.
Your friend
Keith Hume
PS should you ever come to London we have a visitors flat wher you would be
welcome to stay. Our own flat is quite spacious itself being 4 rooms and 2
bathrooms which could be an alternative for your visit. The train take 15
minutes to London Victoria. about 15 mins walk to Buck Palace.
On 6/12/08, Barry & Maggie <prishep(a)telus.net> wrote:
>
> Hi Kieth
>
> New spelling, EH!! If you get to go through Vancouver on this Aussie trip
> please feel free to stop by. I am a very good cook.
>
> Barry
>
> 4607 John Street
> Vancouver, BC
> 604-874-7007
>
> Test done
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kieth Hume" <keith.hume(a)sky.com>
> To: <CHASE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 7:45 AM
> Subject: [CHASE] Test
>
>
> > Test
> > KH
> >
> > -------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
> CHASE-request(a)rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes
> in
> the subject and the body of the message
>
>
>
> -------------------------------
> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
> CHASE-request(a)rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes
> in the subject and the body of the message
>
Hi Keith,
What are you testing? The list?? I'm still here, still looking.
Thanks,
Barbara Chase> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:45:49 +0100> From: keith.hume(a)sky.com> To: CHASE-L(a)rootsweb.com> Subject: [CHASE] Test> > Test> KH> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHASE-request(a)rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
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Hi, Again Jeffrey,
In all our research we have been forced ,in many cases, to rely upon what we
regard as reliable sources and in doing so can sometimes perpetuate
mistakes/
I know you have a great faith in Banks as a researcher and you are not
alone in this.
However he placed considerable reliance on information that puzz;ed me when
I first saw it/
I refer to the letter and response concerning the Parish priest at Wivenhoe
and the inability to find a record of a William Chase birth as defined.
2 points arise from this either he did not have a copy of the Wivenhoe
Register of Births for 1597/8 or ,more probably, he could not read them and
secondly Banks never looked in the right place.
Furthermore as I understand it "Ginger" only made 40 copies of her book and
at £40 each many considered expensive. As you may know I was very close to
"Ginger" and at no time was I told that she may have revised her book.
In the copy I have the whole of page 21 is devoted to a copy of the
Wivenhoe Birth Records for the end of 1597 and beginning of 1598.
I am fairly positive that Ginger would have notified me if she took the
page out.
So we have another mystery. Is it possible that the archive where
THE problem is the records were in "OLDE" English and for me at least
unintelligble. Apparently "Ginger" had this translated.
There is a twist to this because from notes I have dug out I see that
Gjnger had, at one time added a note to the copy of the register to the
effect that this was "Conjecture".
This note does not appear on my copy.
Why you should have seen a copy of Ginger's bookthat did not have a
copy,(page 21) of the registry entry I do not know. I do know that in the
article produced for the original Chase/Chace website she was utterly
convinced William's surname was CHASE.
She actuall has quoted in her book that Banks,in his book, referred to
William as CHASE, as it appeared on the list of passengers on the "Arabella"
formerly the "Eagle"
For myself I am in the process of ridding myself of 75% of a 3 Draw file
cabinet wgich contained an estomated 20,000 pages on the Lives and Times of
my ancestors.
I have now restricted my efforts to producing a book for my Australian
family whom my wife and I will be visiting later this year. For me it will
be my first trip back since I left in 1937. I do not refer to it as "Home"
as I was brought up to believe tha "Home" in that sense was England
There is a problem in me sending a copy as I now have no working scanner
and it would mean having to photocopy and send by snail mail.
In 1994 I strted to write my Family History. The opening sentence starts
with Shakespeare's line ...."What's in a name? .....etc" and went on to say
that any Genealogist would willingly give dissertaion on the subject at
keast 50 times longer than this already long tome of mine,
I wish all who read this success in their own researches and now so much is
online many questions can be answered easily.
For me nothing could equal the excotement when after an 8 week wait i
received a thick ebvelope from Public Archives of Nova Scotia for it
contained a link to a relative that opened the door to my family both
American and Canadian. This resulted in us meeting and going on a 3,00 mile
tour of where oir "Common" ancestors lived in Canada and New England and
susequently Family Reunions at Greenfield MA
Stop I must,( Is that the distant sound of voices say " NOT before time!!"/
Keith Hume
Hello All,
Banks wrote to the Rector of Wivenhoe and received the following reply
written May 22nd 1929.
The Rectory
Wivenhoe, Essex
May 22nd 1929
---------------------
Dear Sir,
I have received your letter (with enclosure for which I thank you)
and have made an exhaustive search of our transcribed registers.
There is no record of the baptism of any person named
William Chase or Chace. The only baptism recorded in the
name of Chase or Chace between the years 1566-1807 is
John Chase in 1566.
The further following, mainly negative, information
may be of interest or use to you.
In 1591, a Benjamin Chase was married to Hellen Harvie.
I sought for the record of the burial of Benjamin Chase -
but no Chase was buried between the years 1600-1700.
I sought also for the marriage of William Chase, the emigrant.
It is not recorded, but there is a hiatus in our marriage register
from 1624-1647 - owing either to the loss of a few pages or
to neglect on the part of my predecessor during those years.
You will not also that there is alos no record of the
baptism of Benjamin or William, sons of the emigrant.
I am sorry I can give you no more helpful information.
Yours truly
Robert H. Jack.
----------------------
Colonel Charles E. Banks.
Boston
-------------
A photocopy of this letter can be found in the copies of the Banks
Manuscripts at my site.
I would be very interested in knowing what the "enclosure" is that Banks
sent to the Rector. But, anyway, I looked through Ginger's book at the New
England Historical and Genealogical Society in Boston back in 2005. I found
no photocopy of the record to which Keith refers. I would love to see a copy
of this. Does anyone have access to Ginger's book and can look again? I am
not in a position to access it at the moment. It would be great to see this
record that is being referred to. Keith, you yourself wrote to this list on
October 10, 2004, the following:
"On page 22 of her excellent book, "The Chase/ce Family" there is a photo
copy of an extract from the Wivenhoe birth records which reads :- "Anno Dom
1597 ........... William Chafe, fon of Benjamin Chafe born 20 of november
1597" As you doubtless know the letter "s" was written as "f" in those days"
It would be great if someone could look at that page and scan it in and
email it. Does anyone have a copy or access to a copy? I did try to find
Records of Wivenhoe Births when at the ERO and talked to many persons there
trying to find records. They have everything cataloged and searchable and no
such records could be found. I hope that they have not been lost. This is
not intended to start a fight, I would just really love to see the records
(or a copy of them).
Ginger wrote to me once when I was planning on going back to do more
research and she told me that the birth records were on little pieces of
paper and might be in a special section because of their format.
The following is the record of Ginger's book at the NEHGS:
http://library.nehgs.org/record=b1025318
Author Christensen, Wilda Virginia Reeder, 1925-
Title The Chase / ce family / compiled by
Wilda Virginia Reeder Christensen.
Publication info. [Surprise, Ariz.] : W.V.R. Christensen, [1997]
Rating [No one has rated this material]
Location Call No. Status
Research Library CS71 .C487 1997 AVAILABLE
Description 2 v. in 1 (408, [13] p.) : ill., maps ; 28 cm.
Bibliography Includes bibliographical references
(p. [411]-[421]) and indexes.
Subject Chase family.
Added title Chase family Chace family
And, by the way, I would hesitate strongly before I started poo-pooing the
research and work of Charles Banks. Just look at the references that he used
and you will see that he was no slouch when it comes to research.
Cheers,
Jeffrey
http://www.chace.demon.nl
--
Jeffrey Chace
http://www.chace.demon.nl
Hello All (again),
I am not wanting to open up a fullscale debate about this again.
But, I would like to add that in the Banks Manuscripts, which I have
researched at the Library of Congress, Charles Banks, on whose work the
assumption of William Chase's Origin being Wivenhoe first rested, also
recorded most of the Wivenhoe names he associated with William Chase as
"Chace" including all references to Benjamin Chace, William's presumed
father. Further, John Carrol Chase also consistently referred to William
Chase as William Chace in his writings in the Chase Chronicle and in the
writings he made for the Chase-Chace Family Association's Reunions.
If anyone wishes to see copies of the applicable records of the Banks
Manuscripts of which I made copies, they can be found at my website at
http://www.chace.demon.nl by selecting "He came from England" in the
left-hand navigation frame and then clicking "Banks Manuscripts" then click
on the "clicking here" link in the page that opens in the right-hand frame.
You can also find a copy of one of the Chase-Chace Family Reunion
publications here:
http://www.archive.org/download/reunionofchasech01chas/reunionofchasech01...
from the First Renunion of 1900.
Check out page 9 where the President's Address by John C. Chase refers
to William Chace.
Anyway, I am not the only one to refer to William Chase as William Chace!
:) And, again, not trying to prove anything, just pointing out the facts.
Oh, by the way, I ran across a copy of a membership application for the
Chase-Chace Family Association that I had forgotten I had squirreled away
somewhere and I will scan it and post it at my website for anyone who is
interested in seeing it. This association was incorporated in Hartford,
Connecticut in 1899 and flourished for quite some time. They published the
Chase Chronicle which Lonnie Chase and Keith Hume have painstakingly made
available online.
Cheers,
Jeffrey
On 6/9/08, Kieth Hume <keith.hume(a)sky.com> wrote:
>
> Once again Jeffrey has demonstrated not only his knowledge of the
> Chase/Chace line but also the technical aspects of such organisations as web
> archive.org.
> Had there not been such a project then NONE of my original site would have
> been kept.
> As it is they only saved part of the site and a long way short of it all.
> Furthermore I have had NO objection to what they do.
> What I am disturbed about is that when I asked them on many occasions if
> it was possible to obtain a copy of my site even offering to pay for it I
> was totally ignored
> At that time they also blocked off all attempts to copy the source code of
> a single page.
> The BEST service they have provided is to illustrate that their is no way
> anyone could be successful in thying to FORCE them not to copy a site.
> Not everyone knew of the method of blocking that Jeffrey did. In this
> regard he has provided a great service.
>
> With regard to the subject of CHASE and CHACE I am sure Jeffrey will
> recall attempts to prove that Wiliam CHASE "..of the First Fleet" was
> actually a CHACE.
> Records obtained.from the Essex county Archives by the much misses
> "Ginger" Christien Andersen included a copy of an entry in the register of
> Wivenhoe that could ONLY apply to his birth on the basis of no entry of a
> William CHACe fitted the timing and the naming patterns wer also very strong
> evidence.
> "Ginger" was a Genealogist against myself who only ever regarded myself as
> a Family Historian. Her extensive searches during the 10 years she spent in
> England were probably the most comprehensive possible at that time
>
>
> On 6/8/08, Jeffrey Chace <j.b.chace(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello All (and Keith),
>>
>> Just wanted to add my two cents to what Keith had to say about the copy of
>> the Chase/Chace website and it being without permission and about
>> intellectual copyright. I think it might be interesting to inform you all of
>> what this entails.
>>
>> There is a website called the Internet Archive and its mission is to
>> archive the entire world wide web. Now, that is quite a daunting task to be
>> sure. But, they have done a pretty good job over the years since 1996
>> documenting the web. Why is this important/interesting? I am sure that many
>> of you have put searches into Google and then tried to follow a link only to
>> find that the website is no longer accessible or in existence. This is where
>> the Internet Archive comes in very handy. Its URL is
>> http://web.archive.org You can put a the address to a page that is no
>> longer available into the the "Wayback Machine" at the website and it will
>> give you links to copies of the website and even different versions of the
>> website as it has been updated over the years. How do they do this? Well,
>> they use what are called webbots (software that crawls around the web
>> looking for new websites or updated information). When one of the "bots"
>> finds something new, then it reports this information back to the Internet
>> Archive which stores a copy. Preventing the "bots" from acquiring your
>> website and information is very simple. This is where the "permission"
>> aspect comes in. On the server that hosts your website, you simply put a
>> text file called "robots.txt" which contains the command:
>>
>> User-agent: *
>> Disallow: /
>>
>> You can read more details at http://www.archive.org/about/exclude.php
>>
>> So, it is actually the owner's responsibility to instruct the "bots" from
>> making a copy. However, that being said, the copies made by the Internet
>> Archive in no way imply the the Internet Archive has any right to the
>> information and the original owner retains all rights and can even request
>> for the information to be removed. Internet Archive respects both the
>> "robots.txt" command and requests for information to be removed. However,
>> let's be glad that they have a copy of the Chase/Chace website. The
>> Internet Archive is a great resource for genealogical information that has
>> been removed from the web. Oh, and incidentally, they have an excellent
>> archive of live concerts, I even found one of Bela Fleck and The Flecktones
>> that I went to a few years back. Pretty nice resource for good live music.
>>
>> Also, if you use Google, Google has its own copies of all of the websites
>> that it indexes and you can access this in each listing that a Google search
>> returns by using the "Cached" link at the bottom of each listing. This will
>> show you the copy that Google has - Google also respects the "robots.txt"
>> commands by the way.
>>
>> So, the next time the website you are trying to access is no longer there
>> or returns a "404 Not Found" error, try the Internet Archive and/or Google's
>> cache (which coincidentally is an anagram of my last name, Chace!)
>>
>> Which brings me to my next point. Contrary to what Keith wrote, I do not
>> try to prove that the name Chase should be or always was spelled Chace. I
>> simply am interested in finding out why some members of the family spell it
>> Chase and some spell it Chace. Colonel Frank Chace is convinced that the
>> Loyalists retained the Chase spelling while the Revolutionary Chases changed
>> the spelling to Chace to distinguish themselves from the Tory Chases. This
>> is a good theory and the 1776 dateline does indeed show many Chases being
>> born as Chases, but being buried as Chaces. However, this is not and cannot
>> be the only reason, because records from Essex County, England, where
>> William Chase is supposed to have originated (specifically from Wivenhoe)
>> show the Chace spelling as being more prevalent than the Chase spelling by
>> about 2 to 1 in the records which contain information about Chase/Chace
>> families in Essex prior to William's journey to America in 1630.
>>
>> Anyway, I am not trying to prove anything, just investigating this
>> interesting tidbit of difference. Oh, also Keith mentioned my website. You
>> can find it at:
>>
>> http://www.chace.demon.nl
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Jeffrey Chace
>>
>> This will
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 1:11 PM, Kieth Hume <keith.hume(a)sky.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I omitted to say that although I was given some space to reassemble the
>>> CHASE/CHCE web site the enormous task I felt was now beyond my wishes. I
>>> have all the info I need and the web site was in the nature of a passing
>>> of
>>> information in recognition of those who helped me.
>>> It also neede doing to get some coherence into the Group.
>>> Witout wishing to pick favourites I believe that Jeffery Chace has now
>>> got
>>> the best site although he tries to prove that the names of Chase should
>>> be
>>> Chace. This in no way is meant to detract from the ENORMOUS contribution
>>> he
>>> has made to this Group.
>>> I also hasten to add that there are many long time members of this Group
>>> who have and still give great assistance to the Group. I hesitate to list
>>> them incase I miss someone out!!
>>> Keith Hume
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/5/08, Dick Chase <rachase(a)triad.rr.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>>
>>> > Dave:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > In case you are unaware of it, the following sites contain DNA
>>> information
>>> > on the CHASE related individuals who have previously completed a DNA
>>> test.
>>> > Comparing your DNA to that of the individuals with proven lines for
>>> > Aquila/Thomas and William ancestry will hopefully enable you to
>>> identify
>>> > your ancestry. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to
>>> contact
>>> > me.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Dick Chase
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -------------------------------
>>> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
>>> > CHASE-request(a)rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the
>>> quotes
>>> > in the subject and the body of the message
>>> >
>>>
>>> -------------------------------
>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
>>> CHASE-request(a)rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the
>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jeffrey Chace
>> http://www.chace.demon.nl
>
>
>
--
Jeffrey Chace
http://www.chace.demon.nl
Hi,Dick,
Yes I still follow the CHASE Group although I notice volume of emails is
well down fro its "bes" of a few years ago.This is probably due to the fact
that so much more is online now.
What you are saying,in effect is that it is a waste of time anyone
descended from a female CHASE to attempt to trace their ancestry to any of
the CHASE lines.
Am I correct?
Leter in the year my wife and I are going to Australia, the land of my Birth
and where I have almost as many relatives as I do in the USA.
I am hoping to finish my particular family research, as it relates to my
"Aussie" line, before that
>From Warm and Sunny london
Keith Hume
On 6/8/08, Dick Chase <rachase(a)triad.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Keith -- Good to hear from you. I wondered if you still were monitoring
> the CHASE rootsweb communications.
>
>
>
> With respect the possible implications of your dna results that are
> displayed on the Chase Dna Project page, I think that any apparent
> similarity of your 12 marker test with the 12 marker results of either
> Aquila or William descendants is actually meaningless, and any comparison
> really suggests no connection (or at least none within many dozen
> generations) to a MALE Chase lineage. The fact that your ancestor Sarah
> Chase's father was a Chase would not have any effect, of course, on your
> male y chromosome test results since that test reflects only what is passed
> on down through the direct MALE (father to son) line.
>
>
>
> I had wondered from whence the "copy" of the CHASE/CHACE web site pages had
> arisen (like the proverbial Phoenix from the ashes), and appreciate
> Jeffrey's revealing explanation. The question now is, how do we take
> advantage of that available resource and restore the CHASE/CHASE Family
> Resource Center that you, Keith, labored so long to create, back to a
> useable form.
>
>
>
> Dick Chase
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Kieth Hume [mailto:keith.hume@sky.com]
> Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 7:03 AM
> To: rachase(a)triad.rr.com; chase(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CHASE] DNA Testing
>
>
>
> I am the Keith Hume mentioned as probably no male ancestor of any of the
> Chase lines mentioned.
>
> As the evidence I have is as conclusive as can be that I am descended from
> a Sarah CHASE who likewise had a father James P.CHASE. then if what is said
> here is true or as true as can be expected then somewhere along the line
> one
> of my ancestors was "unfasithful".
>
> This brings to mind the results of a study done some years ago. This study
> DNA tested almost all of the inhabitants of a certain village and
> discovered
> that almot a third did not have the ancestry they thought they had.
>
> The very best way of determining ancestry is via the female line. However
> this is obviously more difficult because of the change of name when they
> marry.
>
> So there you have it. If this is proof positive that my line is not what I
> thought it was it does not contradict the fact that my "proven" ancestry
> did
> incluge links with James P Chase and that my ancesry was and is linked to a
> generation of SUPPOSED Chase family.
>
> When DNA databases get more details I may be able to link into my genetic
> ancestry.
>
> In retrospect I find it a reflection on the strong moral fibre of Chase
> ancestry that my situation has not been repeated more often!
>
>
>
> Keith Hume
>
>
>
> PS The website referred to is one which fortunately for us was copied
> WITHOUT PERMISSIN from the CHASE/CHACE site compiled by me with great help
> from many sources in the CHASE/CHACE group.
>
> So much for any intellectual copyright but in this case I am thankful asa
> ,(SUPIDLY) I did not back up what I had on site so the combination of my
> own
> PC crashing and likewise the Chase site server doing likewise meant that
> years of hard work were almost reduced to nought
>
> KH
>
>
>
> On 6/5/08, Dick Chase <rachase(a)triad.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Dave:
>
>
>
> In case you are unaware of it, the following sites contain DNA information
> on the CHASE related individuals who have previously completed a DNA test.
> Comparing your DNA to that of the individuals with proven lines for
> Aquila/Thomas and William ancestry will hopefully enable you to identify
> your ancestry. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact
> me.
>
>
>
> Dick Chase
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -------------------------------
> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
> CHASE-request(a)rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes
> in
> the subject and the body of the message
>
>
>
>
> -------------------------------
> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
> CHASE-request(a)rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes
> in the subject and the body of the message
>
Keith:
Male genetic characteristics are transmitted via the Y chromosome from
father to son. Daughters don't get any of the male dna, so it is not
possible to trace a male ancestral lineage through a family female ancestor
since she has none of the male dna.
A mother carries HER mother's dna, and passes it on to both her sons and
daughters, so it is possible for offspring of either sex to trace his/her
maternal line through a maternal dna test. But that test will provide
information relating to a possible family connection only in the MATERNAL
ancestry line. It reveals nothing about the paternal (male) side of the
family.
Dick Chase
-----Original Message-----
From: chase-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:chase-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
Behalf Of Kieth Hume
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 9:40 AM
To: rachase(a)triad.rr.com; chase(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CHASE] DNA Testing
Hi,Dick,
What you are saying,in effect is that it is a waste of time anyone
descended from a female CHASE to attempt to trace their ancestry to any of
the CHASE lines.
Am I correct?
>From Warm and Sunny london
Keith Hume
Hello All (and Keith),
Just wanted to add my two cents to what Keith had to say about the copy of
the Chase/Chace website and it being without permission and about
intellectual copyright. I think it might be interesting to inform you all of
what this entails.
There is a website called the Internet Archive and its mission is to archive
the entire world wide web. Now, that is quite a daunting task to be sure.
But, they have done a pretty good job over the years since 1996 documenting
the web. Why is this important/interesting? I am sure that many of you have
put searches into Google and then tried to follow a link only to find that
the website is no longer accessible or in existence. This is where the
Internet Archive comes in very handy. Its URL is http://web.archive.org You
can put a the address to a page that is no longer available into the the
"Wayback Machine" at the website and it will give you links to copies of the
website and even different versions of the website as it has been updated
over the years. How do they do this? Well, they use what are called webbots
(software that crawls around the web looking for new websites or updated
information). When one of the "bots" finds something new, then it reports
this information back to the Internet Archive which stores a copy.
Preventing the "bots" from acquiring your website and information is very
simple. This is where the "permission" aspect comes in. On the server that
hosts your website, you simply put a text file called "robots.txt" which
contains the command:
User-agent: *
Disallow: /
You can read more details at http://www.archive.org/about/exclude.php
So, it is actually the owner's responsibility to instruct the "bots" from
making a copy. However, that being said, the copies made by the Internet
Archive in no way imply the the Internet Archive has any right to the
information and the original owner retains all rights and can even request
for the information to be removed. Internet Archive respects both the
"robots.txt" command and requests for information to be removed. However,
let's be glad that they have a copy of the Chase/Chace website. The
Internet Archive is a great resource for genealogical information that has
been removed from the web. Oh, and incidentally, they have an excellent
archive of live concerts, I even found one of Bela Fleck and The Flecktones
that I went to a few years back. Pretty nice resource for good live music.
Also, if you use Google, Google has its own copies of all of the websites
that it indexes and you can access this in each listing that a Google search
returns by using the "Cached" link at the bottom of each listing. This will
show you the copy that Google has - Google also respects the "robots.txt"
commands by the way.
So, the next time the website you are trying to access is no longer there or
returns a "404 Not Found" error, try the Internet Archive and/or Google's
cache (which coincidentally is an anagram of my last name, Chace!)
Which brings me to my next point. Contrary to what Keith wrote, I do not try
to prove that the name Chase should be or always was spelled Chace. I simply
am interested in finding out why some members of the family spell it Chase
and some spell it Chace. Colonel Frank Chace is convinced that the Loyalists
retained the Chase spelling while the Revolutionary Chases changed the
spelling to Chace to distinguish themselves from the Tory Chases. This is a
good theory and the 1776 dateline does indeed show many Chases being born as
Chases, but being buried as Chaces. However, this is not and cannot be the
only reason, because records from Essex County, England, where William Chase
is supposed to have originated (specifically from Wivenhoe) show the Chace
spelling as being more prevalent than the Chase spelling by about 2 to 1 in
the records which contain information about Chase/Chace families in Essex
prior to William's journey to America in 1630.
Anyway, I am not trying to prove anything, just investigating this
interesting tidbit of difference. Oh, also Keith mentioned my website. You
can find it at:
http://www.chace.demon.nl
Cheers,
Jeffrey Chace
This will
On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 1:11 PM, Kieth Hume <keith.hume(a)sky.com> wrote:
> I omitted to say that although I was given some space to reassemble the
> CHASE/CHCE web site the enormous task I felt was now beyond my wishes. I
> have all the info I need and the web site was in the nature of a passing of
> information in recognition of those who helped me.
> It also neede doing to get some coherence into the Group.
> Witout wishing to pick favourites I believe that Jeffery Chace has now got
> the best site although he tries to prove that the names of Chase should be
> Chace. This in no way is meant to detract from the ENORMOUS contribution he
> has made to this Group.
> I also hasten to add that there are many long time members of this Group
> who have and still give great assistance to the Group. I hesitate to list
> them incase I miss someone out!!
> Keith Hume
>
>
> On 6/5/08, Dick Chase <rachase(a)triad.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> > Dave:
> >
> >
> >
> > In case you are unaware of it, the following sites contain DNA
> information
> > on the CHASE related individuals who have previously completed a DNA
> test.
> > Comparing your DNA to that of the individuals with proven lines for
> > Aquila/Thomas and William ancestry will hopefully enable you to identify
> > your ancestry. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to
> contact
> > me.
> >
> >
> >
> > Dick Chase
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
> > CHASE-request(a)rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the
> quotes
> > in the subject and the body of the message
> >
>
> -------------------------------
> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
> CHASE-request(a)rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes
> in the subject and the body of the message
>
--
Jeffrey Chace
http://www.chace.demon.nl
I omitted to say that although I was given some space to reassemble the
CHASE/CHCE web site the enormous task I felt was now beyond my wishes. I
have all the info I need and the web site was in the nature of a passing of
information in recognition of those who helped me.
It also neede doing to get some coherence into the Group.
Witout wishing to pick favourites I believe that Jeffery Chace has now got
the best site although he tries to prove that the names of Chase should be
Chace. This in no way is meant to detract from the ENORMOUS contribution he
has made to this Group.
I also hasten to add that there are many long time members of this Group
who have and still give great assistance to the Group. I hesitate to list
them incase I miss someone out!!
Keith Hume
On 6/5/08, Dick Chase <rachase(a)triad.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Dave:
>
>
>
> In case you are unaware of it, the following sites contain DNA information
> on the CHASE related individuals who have previously completed a DNA test.
> Comparing your DNA to that of the individuals with proven lines for
> Aquila/Thomas and William ancestry will hopefully enable you to identify
> your ancestry. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact
> me.
>
>
>
> Dick Chase
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -------------------------------
> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
> CHASE-request(a)rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes
> in the subject and the body of the message
>
I am the Keith Hume mentioned as probably no male ancestor of any of the
Chase lines mentioned.
As the evidence I have is as conclusive as can be that I am descended from
a Sarah CHASE who likewise had a father James P.CHASE. then if what is said
here is true or as true as can be expected then somewhere along the line one
of my ancestors was "unfasithful".
This brings to mind the results of a study done some years ago. This study
DNA tested almost all of the inhabitants of a certain village and discovered
that almot a third did not have the ancestry they thought they had.
The very best way of determining ancestry is via the female line. However
this is obviously more difficult because of the change of name when they
marry.
So there you have it. If this is proof positive that my line is not what I
thought it was it does not contradict the fact that my "proven" ancestry did
incluge links with James P Chase and that my ancesry was and is linked to a
generation of SUPPOSED Chase family.
When DNA databases get more details I may be able to link into my genetic
ancestry.
In retrospect I find it a reflection on the strong moral fibre of Chase
ancestry that my situation has not been repeated more often!
Keith Hume
PS The website referred to is one which fortunately for us was copied
WITHOUT PERMISSIN from the CHASE/CHACE site compiled by me with great help
from many sources in the CHASE/CHACE group.
So much for any intellectual copyright but in this case I am thankful asa
,(SUPIDLY) I did not back up what I had on site so the combination of my own
PC crashing and likewise the Chase site server doing likewise meant that
years of hard work were almost reduced to nought
KH
On 6/5/08, Dick Chase <rachase(a)triad.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Dave:
>
>
>
> In case you are unaware of it, the following sites contain DNA information
> on the CHASE related individuals who have previously completed a DNA test.
> Comparing your DNA to that of the individuals with proven lines for
> Aquila/Thomas and William ancestry will hopefully enable you to identify
> your ancestry. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact
> me.
>
>
>
> Dick Chase
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -------------------------------
> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
> CHASE-request(a)rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes
> in the subject and the body of the message
>
Derek --
I still have on my computer the Excel spreadsheet and Analysis document that
contain the Chase DNA Project data that is on the CHASE web site, and would
be most willing and able to update it with either new or revised information
so it could be posted to the Chase site. If you'll send me your revised
ancestry line information , I'll be happy to include it. But getting it onto
the Chase web pages is another issue -- I don't know who has the key to
being able to maintain that site, so I don't know to whom to send revised
page(s) for uploading.
I know that there have been some additional individual DNA tests done in the
last couple of years, but I've never received the information to be able to
include the results on the spreadsheet, so my source document is a bit out
of date with respect to those, also.
Dick Chase
-----Original Message-----
From: chase-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:chase-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
Behalf Of Derek Chase
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 6:40 AM
To: rachase(a)triad.rr.com; chase(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CHASE] FW: DNA Testing
Hello DIck
How do I get my DNA ancestry updated ? I have made connections now that are
not reflected in the Patriarch column.
THanks
Derek
Hello DIck
How do I get my DNA ancestry updated ? I have made connections now that are
not reflected in the Patriarch column.
THanks
Derek
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dick Chase" <rachase(a)triad.rr.com>
To: <babiemine(a)aol.com>
Cc: <chase(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 5:54 PM
Subject: [CHASE] FW: DNA Testing
> Probably would help if I actually included the URLs :-)
>
>
>
> http://web.archive.org/web/20050104045421/http:/chase.genealogysurnames.com/
> DNA/Ana0404.htm
>
>
>
> http://web.archive.org/web/20050104045236/http:/chase.genealogysurnames.com/
> DNA/Result3.htm
>
>
>
> Dick
>
>
>
> From: Dick Chase [mailto:rachase@triad.rr.com]
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 4:49 PM
> To: 'babiemine(a)aol.com'
> Cc: 'chase(a)rootsweb.com'
> Subject: DNA Testing
>
>
>
> Dave:
>
>
>
> In case you are unaware of it, the following sites contain DNA information
> on the CHASE related individuals who have previously completed a DNA test.
> Comparing your DNA to that of the individuals with proven lines for
> Aquila/Thomas and William ancestry will hopefully enable you to identify
> your ancestry. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact
> me.
>
>
>
> Dick Chase
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -------------------------------
> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
> CHASE-request(a)rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes
> in the subject and the body of the message
>
Probably would help if I actually included the URLs :-)
http://web.archive.org/web/20050104045421/http:/chase.genealogysurnames.com/
DNA/Ana0404.htm
http://web.archive.org/web/20050104045236/http:/chase.genealogysurnames.com/
DNA/Result3.htm
Dick
From: Dick Chase [mailto:rachase@triad.rr.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 4:49 PM
To: 'babiemine(a)aol.com'
Cc: 'chase(a)rootsweb.com'
Subject: DNA Testing
Dave:
In case you are unaware of it, the following sites contain DNA information
on the CHASE related individuals who have previously completed a DNA test.
Comparing your DNA to that of the individuals with proven lines for
Aquila/Thomas and William ancestry will hopefully enable you to identify
your ancestry. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact
me.
Dick Chase