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Joining in the discussion of the name "Chapman", it must be noted that in
Germany the Chapman name is Kaufman. Bob Casebeer
-----Original Message-----
From: RupertL3(a)aol.com <RupertL3(a)aol.com>
To: CHAPMAN-L(a)rootsweb.com <CHAPMAN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Sunday, December 07, 2003 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: [CHAPMAN-L] Chapmen as Pedlars
> I think I may have miscommunicated, too. I didn't mean to imply
(or
>say) that chapmen only peddled chapbooks, which were probably a small part
of
>their wares, or, indeed, that only chapmen sold chapbooks. It is the bit
that
>tickles my fancy, though, and it was a slightly fanciful e-mail.
> I was fascinated to see the information about the range of meanings
of
>Chapman, much of which was new to me. It sparks a thought, and a question,
>could a Chapman also be a tinker? Tinkers also moved about from place to
place
>doing repairs on whatever needed repair, so the two occupations would not
be
>completely incompatible.
> The main point of my e-mail, though, was that because it is an
>occupational name there is no reason why any two Chapman lines should be
related
>unless there is reason to think so. Like with Smith lines, in fact, or
Carters,
>or Clarks. Of course, once the name was established, the descendants of
any
>one Chapman could establish a widespread line, and it is clear that some
did, as
>in the New England lines.
>
>Rupert Chapman
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>. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>
At 08:24 AM 12/6/2003, you wrote:
>Yes, Barry, I agree that chapbooks were only some of what our Chapman
>ancestors peddled (though some were actually settled merchants in towns,
>not wanderers).
>
>And Mari's and Lewis' remarks about spam and computers: Wow, that must be
>why I love my computer so much - my Chapman genes, eh? VBG Loathe the
>spam, of course.
>
>Jean Chapman Snow
Jean, my grandfathers......both of them, never saw a jetstream! That's the
second generation AFTER my Chapman brickwall.......Elisha William Chapman....
Mari
I think I may have miscommunicated, too. I didn't mean to imply (or
say) that chapmen only peddled chapbooks, which were probably a small part of
their wares, or, indeed, that only chapmen sold chapbooks. It is the bit that
tickles my fancy, though, and it was a slightly fanciful e-mail.
I was fascinated to see the information about the range of meanings of
Chapman, much of which was new to me. It sparks a thought, and a question,
could a Chapman also be a tinker? Tinkers also moved about from place to place
doing repairs on whatever needed repair, so the two occupations would not be
completely incompatible.
The main point of my e-mail, though, was that because it is an
occupational name there is no reason why any two Chapman lines should be related
unless there is reason to think so. Like with Smith lines, in fact, or Carters,
or Clarks. Of course, once the name was established, the descendants of any
one Chapman could establish a widespread line, and it is clear that some did, as
in the New England lines.
Rupert Chapman
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. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Tom,
None of those names are familiar.....I don't have a Ball/Chapman line....My
father was a Ball and my mother was a Chapman so not in the same lines.
What dates are your Ball relatives?
Molly Ball Stoddard
I may have miscommunicated - I didn't intend to say that chapmen didn't sell
books or "chapbooks" - like most pedlars/general traders/merchants, I guess
they would sell as wide (or limited) a variety of goods as the individual
chapman chose to do, which would vary from chapman to chapman. I meant to
assert that chapmen did not sell books(or "chapbooks") exclusively and that
"Chapman" per se doesn't mean a "wandering peddler(sic) who sells books".
Barry Chapman
Tasmania
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jean Snow" <snowstar(a)earthlink.net>
To: <CHAPMAN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 1:53 AM
Subject: [CHAPMAN-L] Chapmen as Pedlars
> We may not have sold books, but we sold pamphlets or "chapbooks."
>
> "There is a citation that appears to be a law handed down by Edward
VI
> in 1553. A Petty chapman was a retail dealer. Edward said "No Tinker,
> Pedler, or petit Chapman shall wander about from the Towne but such as
> shall be licenced by two Justices of Peace." What would they think of
> today's monthly and quarterly forms and frequent law changes?
>
> A 1592 example called us "Chapmen, able to spred more
> pamphlets...then (sic) all the bookesellers in London." That reminds us
> that chapbooks were the popular literature of the time-The Enquirer of the
> 1500s! Small pamphlets of popular tales, ballads, and tracts were
> circulated by itinerant dealers or chapmen."
>
> (from my 1995 column for CFA Newsletter)
>
> Jean Chapman Snow
>
Yes, Barry, I agree that chapbooks were only some of what our Chapman
ancestors peddled (though some were actually settled merchants in towns,
not wanderers).
And Mari's and Lewis' remarks about spam and computers: Wow, that must be
why I love my computer so much - my Chapman genes, eh? VBG Loathe the
spam, of course.
Jean Chapman Snow
Carla, I think we need to do this fairly soon because my donor is 85 and
has a bad heart.
----- Original Message -----
From: <Carla104(a)aol.com>
To: <CHAPMAN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 6:57 AM
Subject: Re: [CHAPMAN-L] DNA Testing
> Mike,
> I will try to get a article out by Monday for the Quarterly
> Carla Davenport
>
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On Friday, December 05, 2003 7:10am, Rupert Chapman wrote
<snip> "is that the name means a wandering peddler who sells books
(chapbooks, no less)." <snip>
Sorry Rupert, while the itinerant salesman(and repairer) part may be
correct(as well as news/gossip purveyor from town to town, village to
village - an oral news personality?), books are not specific to the trade of
chapman. Wishful thinking on the part of an itinerant archaeologist & book
lover?
Barry Chapman,
Tasmania, Australia
We may not have sold books, but we sold pamphlets or "chapbooks."
"There is a citation that appears to be a law handed down by Edward VI
in 1553. A Petty chapman was a retail dealer. Edward said "No Tinker,
Pedler, or petit Chapman shall wander about from the Towne but such as
shall be licenced by two Justices of Peace." What would they think of
today's monthly and quarterly forms and frequent law changes?
A 1592 example called us "Chapmen, able to spred more
pamphlets...then (sic) all the bookesellers in London." That reminds us
that chapbooks were the popular literature of the timeThe Enquirer of the
1500s! Small pamphlets of popular tales, ballads, and tracts were
circulated by itinerant dealers or chapmen."
(from my 1995 column for CFA Newsletter)
Jean Chapman Snow
I haven't had a chance to look at the details of the DNA testing opportunity
as yet, but I hope that those of us who aren't resident in the good ol' U.S.
of A. can also join in! I have been waiting for such an opportunity for some
time, for a number of reasons, not least of which is the fact that I can't, at
present get behind my gggrandfather to join my line with anyone else's. I,
also, hope to tunnel under the block by linking up conclusively to someone via
DNA.
On the number of original Chapman lines, as it is an occupational
surname, no two Chapmans are necessarily related. What does intrigue me, as one
whose family has wandered far and wide since 1820 (the earliest date I can be
sure of), and which has a long-standing love of books, is that the name means a
wandering peddler who sells books (chapbooks, no less). As it happens, I
have wandered further than any member of my line, am an archaeologist and a book
collector. Is this a case of nominal determination?
Rupert Chapman
To all you Chappies who are interested in DNA: I have followed through with
this on my BALL line and it has been very successful. I am a female, last of
my line so had to round up cousins. I wrote a blanket letter then added
individual names and mailed to each of the cousins stating that I would finance the
DNA study and describing the simple swab required. I also said that I would
only choose one unless there were problems then it would be necessary to have
the kit sent to another participant. I received 5 returns, paid for 1 but the
others remained very interested. It created quite a stir at the family
reunion. I was not able to attend but sent a fully descriptive letter to be read
at the meeting.
Another Chappie, (with NO male CHAPMAN line)
Molly Stoddard
On Thursday 04 December 2003 11:00 am, CHAPMAN-D-request(a)rootsweb.com
> Pat, I would love to find out any other Chapman men who trace their
>lines to Frederick Co., VA. I am sure that many of these families
>are related.
> Mike Chapman
Mike, My wife's ancestors were in Virginia, but down at the opposite
end from Frederick Co. Her line is below.
Bruce Bales
Nathaniel (Nathan) CHAPMAN, born - of Halifax Co. VA, died in 1772,
Halifax Co. VA.
Married to Unknown ?, with
John, born about 1746, (??) VA, died about 1803, Abbeville Sist. SC
(age at death: possibly 57 years old).
Married (1768 [BFR 1777]), Halifax Co VA, to Elizabeth UNKNOWN, with
Thomas, born on 1 November 1788, died on 12 October 1853 (age at death:
64 years old).
Married to Sarah HART, born about 1778, with
William, born about 1812, Georgia.
Married on 21 September 1834, Taliaferro Co., GA, to Ann CONNELL, born
on 21 June
1795, Hancock Co. GA, died on 22 June 1880, Taliaferro Co. GA (age at
death:
85 years old), with
Joseph, born (1838/39), Taliaferro Co GA.
Married on 10 April 1859, Taliaferro Co, GA, to Minerva WHEELER, born
on 14
September 1843, Georgia - Probably Hancock Co., died on 30 September
1906,
Powelton, Hancock Co GA (age at death: 63 years old), with
John, born on 13 February 1877, Hancock Co, GA, died on 19 January
1954, Metter,
Candler Co GA (age at death: 76 years old).
Married to Bertha TURNER, born on 2 April 1895, Emanuel Co., GA, died
on 31 May
1980, Metter, Candler Co GA (age at death: 85 years old), with
My wife, Betty.
Why not send an article about this Chapman DNA project to the editor of
the Chapman Family Association Quarterly. She is Kathleen Tovar
KETovar(a)aol.com. Cuz Noni is a long-time member of the CFA.
Mike Morgan
Treasurer, CFA
-----Original Message-----
From: OLDNONI(a)cs.com [mailto:OLDNONI@cs.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 8:30 AM
To: CHAPMAN-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CHAPMAN-L] DNA Testing
Hi Mike & Pat,
I have only been glancing at these e-mails on DNA, but
I also would like to find out more about it. I have a nephew
in Maryland that is a "pure" male line back to my Richard in
Frederick Co. VA in 1740. So would like to know how we go
about it.
Cuz Noni
Hi Mike & Pat,
I have only been glancing at these e-mails on DNA, but
I also would like to find out more about it. I have a nephew
in Maryland that is a "pure" male line back to my Richard in
Frederick Co. VA in 1740. So would like to know how we go
about it.
Cuz Noni
I'm very interested in this as well because I can't take my line back past 1880. How do we sign up for it? Are the prices special "act now" prices or will they be the same 2 or 3 months from now? I'd like to suggest that all who are going to do this go for the 25 marker test, it's really not THAT much more expensive and is going to be a lot more helpful. I'm not expecting this to get me through my "brick wall" but rather I'm hoping that it will help me tunnel under it so I can attack it from the other side!
Out of curiousity, does anyone have a rough idea as to how many different original Chapman lines there were?
Corey Chapman
Hi Mike & Pat,
I have only been glancing at these e-mails on DNA, but
I also would like to find out more about it. I have a nephew
in Maryland that is a "pure" male line back to my Richard in
Frederick Co. VA in 1740. So would like to know how we go
about it.
Cuz Noni
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So far, I haven't seen any mention of anyone from my
Chapman branch evincing an interest in the testing.
It's Thomas Chapman of Ireland > William Chapman of
Frederick Co, Va > George Chapman of Brooke Co, VA/WV
> George Chapman, jr of Brooke Co, VA/WV > William
Chapman of Washington Co, OH > James Chapman of
Doddridge Co, WV > to my generation. And in my
generation I'd have to finance this, and, worst of
all, convince a male cousin to participate. Decisions,
decisions. Can this be done at a later time, or does
everyone have to participate now? Hey, Michael
Chapman of Frederick Co ancestry, why couldn't our
families have been the same????
Pat Pulasky
G'day Carla,
I'm a direct male descendant of Joseph Chapman who married Nancy Irby on 4
Dec 1811 at Halifax Co VA and a female cousin descended thru a female line
believes that Joseph was a son of Moses Chapman and Sarah(Sally) Tuck who
married on 23 Dec 1789 at Halifax Co VA. I trace my line from Joseph > David
T.> John David > Dudley Edward > James Alfred > me, on a journey from VA to
Russell Co, KY > Daviess Co, MO > Atchison Co, KS > Yamhill Co, OR > Clay Co
TX > Suffolk, England > Tasmania, Australia!
If any male Chapman subscribing to this list recognises this line, in
particular the Moses Chapman/Sarah Tuck connection, then I'd be happy to do
Jeff's recommended 25 marker DNA test & share results!!
Barry Chapman,
Tasmania.
> Thank you all for your responses. I will begin after the first of the
year
> to proceed with testing of our lines. I will post the necessary
information
> you need to order and receive your packet and submit for analysis. It is
really
> quite simple. Just remember it has to be a direct male line. If you do
not
> have a direct male line, you may want to ask a cousin who is a direct male
> line.
> It appears that Jeff (scismgenie(a)adelphia.net) is willing to provide any
> information you may need on the testing itself. However, we need to have
1 site
> so we can compare results.
> If you checked out the www.davenportdna.com, I hope you checked out all
the
> areas of information, which leads back to Rootsweb and many other surnames
and
> their testing. This is a very new and exciting tool for us to use in our
> research.
> Carla Davenport