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Robert Chapman, son of Anne Rennolds who married ____?____ Chapman would be my
3rd great grandfather.
From a retyped deed from Caroline County, VA dated Oct 19, 1821, is a list of
Robert and Elizabeth Sutton Chapman's children. They are:
William, John, Jane, Martha, Elsey, Sarah, Ann, Siray, Carter, William, Joseph
and Robert Rennolds Chapman.
A Sutton cousin shared the names of the children of Robert and Elizabeth S.
Chapman, listing them a little different from the deed. I wonder, if when
transcribing these old deeds, that may be hard to read, they put in to many
commas????? These are the list of children as she game them to me:
James, William Joseph, Robert Rennolds, Martha E., Lucy, William, John,
Elsey, Sarah, Ann, Carter Chapman.
Of these children, Martha E. Chapman is my gg grandmother. She married John
Orville Sutton in Caroline County, VA on May 27, 1829.
Is there anyone else researching this particular Chapman line?
Thanks!
Marsha
Mississippi
Also, among these listings:
>http://www.primenet.com/~langford/places/virginia.htm#Ships
is an Isaac departed Bristol 1651-1653, no residence or destination
And a Margery, and a Thomas.
NONI: A Richard on the Elizabeth 1635 (I'm sure you know of him, tho.)
a Thomas on the Globe 1635
and a Walter on the Primrose 1635
Do these belong to anyone?
William Smith, married Jedediah Chapman, of "Orangetown, Essex Co., N.
J.," and had two surviving children, Robert Hett Chapman and William
Smith Chapman.
http://www.ancestry.com/ancestry/search/3633.htm (free for 10 days)
I'd like to agree and add to what Mari said about the spelling of surnames. We had
a speaker at one of our Am. Hist. Soc. of Germans from Russia meetings that
brought examples of one gentleman who spelled his own name differently on 4 or 5
different documents. No one knows why, but there is an assumption that the
specific spelling of names wasn't as important to people then as it is now. The
gentleman certainly wasn't illiterate, as the cultural group he was from
emphasized education, they needed to read their bibles. Another branch or my
family, the Borens, has a sudden change in one line where a couple of the sons
started spelling their name Bowen. Why? No one knows. On my husbands line I had a
gap of one Federal census where I couldn't locate the family. After several years
of searching I finally found them, the last name had been misspelled and it was
only by a quirk of luck that I stumbled upon them. So leave no stone unturned and
discount no possibility, no matter how odd it may seem. ......Leann
>OK Rees, you wanted a theory.... I may just have one to work on.
>Maybe you have already chased this dog before, but not me. I saw:
>
>Issac Chaplain
>Isaac Chaplain
>Issac Chaplin
>What do you think Rees, Cuz Noni ???? Am I off track??
"Preacher," you're definately off track. And that's where I imagine some
essential truth about Isaac's origins lies - off track. This line of
reasoning crossed my mind, frightened me with the complexity of its
implications, and I let it go. Thanks so much for reminding me of it. Many
months ago I stumbled upon a list of early VA passengers and colonists
(great site!!!):
http://www.primenet.com/~langford/places/va624007.htm#Muster
Settlers living at "Chaplains choise" in Virginia, February 16, 1623/4
Baldwyne, Thomas
Bangton, Isacke [or Baughton]
Browne, John
Buttler, Edward
Chaplaine, Isacke
Chaplaine, Mrs. ---- (Not specified as wife)
Chaplaine, John
Duffy, John
Ellis, David
Hudson, Robert
Ley, Thomas
Michaell, Ann
More, Sara
Phillips, Thomas
Priest, Walter
Sanderson, Allexander
Sutton, Nicholas
Thorne, Henry
Trachern, John
Turner, Henry
Weston, William
Whitt, William
Willson, Henry
----, Ann (a maid)
The entire Musters of colonists may be found at:
http://www.primenet.com/~langford/places/virginia.htm#Ships
including Chapmans (Philip, Thomas, Frances, etc.) in Colledge Land, Jordans
Jorney, James Cittye, Elizabeth Cittye). As I recall, there are a few Isaac
_________ listed, too.
But I never pursued it. With fellow list members to wrestle it with,
though, I'll gladly "chase this dog!"
Rees
At 10:42 PM 1/29/99 , you wrote:
>So if I transferred my FTM to a disc it becomes a GEDCOM file??
>Molly
You have to tell it to export a gedcom file.
Mari
It's possible, Preacher....!!
I'll tell you something about my husband's ancestry. Last name has been
spelled
Modlin since his gggrandfather...who came here from IN. NONE of us here
knew, and I think, according to what my MIL says, anyway, knew that the
name has ever been anything different. I was going around in circles.
Couldn't find anything beyond the gggrandfather. There was a Gal on one of
the other lists that I was on early in my Web experience....she wrote me
and asked about the ancestry. Solely because she knew the name. Come to
find out, the lineage goes back to 1670 in
NC, where they spelled the name, Maudlin, Moadle, and a couple others that
I can't remember! We can trace it back to this single ancestor, directly.
If it weren't for this gal contacting me, I'd still be looking, and
scratching my head. Don't ever pass anything up as impossible. Why did
they change their names? You hit on part of it.
Some was because, as you say, the census takers weren't all that literate.
Some was changed by the ancestors themselves....lack of education, or
whatever, would lend itself to spelling it various ways, all just like it
should be according to sound. Sometimes these people couldn't write
themselves, and they'd have to have someone else write it out for them.
Well, maybe these people didn't know how to spell it either, and since the
ancestor didn't know how to write, in all probability didn't know how to
read, or know the alphabet, the person doing the writing wrote it like HE
thought it was/should be. Have you ever played that game, where everyone
sits in a circle, and the first person starts out whispering a word in the
next persons ear....and it goes around the circle that way. More often
than not, the last person who is to say the word out loud, ends up with an
entirely different word. This isn't any different. Just has a "twist" to it.
I'm getting long winded here....but look for the varied spellings, at the
same time/place/area, and see if there's an Isaac Chapman, Caepman, whatever!
Oh.....and Preacher...that wasn't exactly what I was referring to, but will
let it pass! <g>
Mari
At 08:47 PM 1/29/99 , you wrote:
>Issac Chaplain
>Isaac Chaplain
>Issac Chaplin
>Issac Chaplyn
>Isaac Chaplaine
>Isack Chaplaine
>Issaike Chaplin
>Isaeke Chaplin
>Isaeck Chaplin
>
>Now My theory is this. They were all, or most of them, refering to men
>that were called the same name, maybe they couldnt spell to well and a
>lot of the court clerks and recorders couldn't spell any better, so
>maybe we better start looking for someone other than "ISAAC CHAPMAN"
>
>What do you think Rees, Cuz Noni ???? Am I off track??
>
>BTW Thanks Noni, I appreciate you taking time to mail that to me.
>
> "Preacher" (Oh yes,....we weren't always preachers,
>Mari..............)
OK Rees, you wanted a theory.... I may just have one to work on. This
afternoon I rec'd a letter from Cuz Noni that had a Bio- Dictionary of
early Virginia that I asked her for. I was feeling a little tough today
so I was laying on the bed looking over what she sent. Then it hit me.
Maybe you have already chased this dog before, but not me. I saw:
Issac Chaplain
Isaac Chaplain
Issac Chaplin
Issac Chaplyn
Isaac Chaplaine
Isack Chaplaine
Issaike Chaplin
Isaeke Chaplin
Isaeck Chaplin
Now My theory is this. They were all, or most of them, refering to men
that were called the same name, maybe they couldnt spell to well and a
lot of the court clerks and recorders couldn't spell any better, so
maybe we better start looking for someone other than "ISAAC CHAPMAN"
What do you think Rees, Cuz Noni ???? Am I off track??
BTW Thanks Noni, I appreciate you taking time to mail that to me.
"Preacher" (Oh yes,....we weren't always preachers,
Mari..............)
Hello,
I have found more accurate information about the Chapmans I am looking
for information on and have sent a new posting to the list. Is there a
way you can delete my original posting?
Thanks!
Pat
I second that Mari
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> From: Den_Mari <ddmmjm(a)netins.net>
> To: CHAPMAN-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CHAPMAN-L] descendant of Levi Chapman
> Date: Friday, January 29, 1999 1:58 PM
>
> Karen.....
> How does that saying go???? You can pick your friends but not your
relatives?
> Every last one of us has some dark closet in our tree houses. What
someone
> else did or didn't do is no reflection on you. Each one of us is
> responsible only for ourselves. That's the ground from which guilt trips
> grow. And, as far as that goes,
> there have been some not so good preachers too. (sorry Jack <g>) What
> your ancestors did or didn't do can't hurt you...unless you let it.
> Everyone has some good in them, and it will come to the fore, if given
half
> a chance....and everyone is worth being loved.
> Ok, ok....I'll go back to watching! <g>
>
> Mari
>
>
> At 03:30 PM 1/29/99 , you wrote:
> >Whether my Chapmans were horse thieves or preachers, I will be proud of
> >them. :o)
> >We are having lots of snow here in the Texas panhandle. Tree branches
are
> >breaking and falling all over.
> >Karen Son
>
>
>
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> Chain letters, 'virus warnings' and the like should not be posted
> to the list. Send them to the list owner first for verification of
validity.
Dear List,
This must be the place. All my life I heard my Kansas born mother talk about
all the horse thieves in the Chapman family's past. And the last couple of
day's messages have reinforced my faith once again! You folks have got to be
my relatives.
I am looking for information on Heman Baldwin Chapman b. Nov 7, 1843,
Dunkirk, New York, d. Jan 1904, m. Jan 5, 1868, La Salle IL , to Lucy
(Gunn) b. Dec 2, 1841, La Salle IL, d. July 27, 1909, Chicago, IL. Their
children are at the bottom of this message.
I will send all 70+ members that I have to Lewis once I settle on a program.
Karen Mosier kmosier(a)netsync.net of Fredonia, Chautauqua County, New York
wrote and said " I think Heman might be the son of Sylvester M. and
Elizabeth CHAPMAN.
1850 US Census Pomfret, Chautauqua County, New York 10 Sep 1850 page
203
Sylvester M. CHAPMAN 38 M Sailor CT, Elizabeth 34 F,
Ellen I.H. 10 F; Sarah E. 9 F; Herman B. 6 M; William W. 4 M;
George H. 2 M
1860 US Census Dunkirk, Chautauqua County, New York page 345, Sylvester
CHAPMAN
Karen was unsure of the spelling of Heman and thought that she may have
written down Herman.
Any way here is my posting. Sorry about the length. Henry Baldwin was my
gfather.
Archer Chapman Frey
Children of Heman and Lucy Chapman:
3 .Malcom Wilder, b. Sep.29,1868, m. Mar 21,1899, Florence Barber
3 .Frances Belle, b. Mar 10,1870, m. Sep 15,1900, S. Hope Thompson, d. Jun
16, 1931
3 .Stella Elizabeth, b. Jan 13,1873, m. Aug 26,1903, John T. Cave, d.
3 .Asa Sylvester, b. Aug 1, 1875, m. (1) Mildred G. Ware, (2) Jeannette E.
Meeker
3 .Henry Baldwin, b. Sep 3, 1878; m. Feb 20, 1897, Effie Daniel, d. June 4,
1949, Champaign, Illinois
3 .Josef Wright (Chapman) foster son
Karen.....
How does that saying go???? You can pick your friends but not your relatives?
Every last one of us has some dark closet in our tree houses. What someone
else did or didn't do is no reflection on you. Each one of us is
responsible only for ourselves. That's the ground from which guilt trips
grow. And, as far as that goes,
there have been some not so good preachers too. (sorry Jack <g>) What
your ancestors did or didn't do can't hurt you...unless you let it.
Everyone has some good in them, and it will come to the fore, if given half
a chance....and everyone is worth being loved.
Ok, ok....I'll go back to watching! <g>
Mari
At 03:30 PM 1/29/99 , you wrote:
>Whether my Chapmans were horse thieves or preachers, I will be proud of
>them. :o)
>We are having lots of snow here in the Texas panhandle. Tree branches are
>breaking and falling all over.
>Karen Son
Whether my Chapmans were horse thieves or preachers, I will be proud of
them. :o)
We are having lots of snow here in the Texas panhandle. Tree branches are
breaking and falling all over.
Karen Son
Loretta,
you will turn us into biblical scholars. THANKS! It is great to see that
we are among
those mentioned in the Bible. How great it is. We are right up there in
the elite.
If you need another shovel up in Montana, howler.
Thanks, again for the info.
Harold
hchapman(a)prairieweb.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Loretta Chapman <lorlee(a)gomontana.com>
To: CHAPMAN-L(a)rootsweb.com <CHAPMAN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Wednesday, January 27, 1999 3:02 PM
Subject: [CHAPMAN-L] THE OLDEST CHAPMEN<g>
>Look in your King James Bible at 2nd Chronicles 9:13 &14,
> "Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was six
>hundred and threescore and six talents of gold; 14. Beside that which
>chapmen and merchants brought. And all the kings of Arabia and governors
of
>the country brought gold and silver to Solomon."
> Genially, Loretta Chapman in beautiful (snowy), blue sky Montana
>
>
>
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>
Molly,
Sorry, I should have sent that message about Elmira Chapmans to Lisa.
Maybe you can relay it to her or perhaps she may have read it on the list
anyway.
Harold
-----Original Message-----
From: Ballm370(a)aol.com <Ballm370(a)aol.com>
To: CHAPMAN-L(a)rootsweb.com <CHAPMAN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Wednesday, January 27, 1999 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: [CHAPMAN-L] Chapman Ancestor Index
>Lewis...........
>Sorry, to be so uninformed but what is a Gedcom?? Have heard the word many
>times but still not sure what it is!!
>I have just purchased FTM 5.0 upgrade but have not installed it, as yet.
>Appreciate any info or help!!
>Thanx,
>Molly Stoddard
>
>
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>
Molly,
I have my line of Chapmans living in Elmira, NY in the 1800's. Is that
close
enough?
Harold
-----Original Message-----
From: avalon(a)northweb.com <avalon(a)northweb.com>
To: CHAPMAN-L(a)rootsweb.com <CHAPMAN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Wednesday, January 27, 1999 9:48 AM
Subject: [CHAPMAN-L] Molly's twin brother discovery...
>Molly,
>
>Born in NY....<ears perking up>. Please do tell! I'm always interested in
>CHAPMAN families from NY.
>
>Lisa
>
>
>>>At 06:32 PM 1/26/99 , you wrote:
>>>Mari............
>>>Just a note to let you know of a GIGANTIC breakthrough in my Chapman
line.
>>>Been hung for about 25 years. Thanks to putting my info on this page I
>heard
>>>from a "cuzzin" who's been looking for about the same (?) length of
>time. We
>>>found we share twin brothers born 1820 in NY. How about that????????
>>>Thanks,
>>>Molly Stoddard
>
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