Again, to reiterate, when children were taken in by other families because
they were orphaned, they often retained their own surnames. But in the
cases I've found where a boy, lower in birth order, was "given" to a
childless couple (aunt and uncle), with a different surname, the birth
parents were still living, the boy was given the surname of the adoptive
couple and becomes their son in order to become their heir and continue that
family line. The adopted boy's financial future would have been enhanced
when primogeniture was still practiced and/or even when it was simply a
matter of dividing an estate among many siblings.
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: CHAPMAN-DNA Digest, Vol 1, Issue 1 (Sloan Crayton)
2. Re: CHAPMAN-DNA Digest, Vol 1, Issue 1 (Karen Wallace)
3. Re: [CFAPartyLine] Chapman Family Tree DNAProjectPage Dan
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 10:13:59 -0800
From: "Sloan Crayton" <sloanc(a)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: [CHAPMAN-DNA] CHAPMAN-DNA Digest, Vol 1, Issue 1
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Just to respond to Karen's post about the possibility of finding a
connection with a supposedly maternal connection...it was not uncommon for
children to be given to a childless sibling. I've found it done as recently
as the 1860s in Greenville, SC. The child was not an orphan. The writer,
Jane Austen, had a brother who was adopted by her childless aunt and uncle
and incorporated the event into her novel, "Emma". So, if you find a close
connection to another line, it may be the reason why.
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: [CFAPartyLine] Chapman Family Tree DNA Project Page Dan
Chapman (Tom Chapman)
2. Re: [CFAPartyLine] Chapman Family Tree DNA ProjectPage Dan
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 13:19:18 -0800
From: Tom Chapman <SurfCityTom(a)socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [CHAPMAN-DNA] [CFAPartyLine] Chapman Family Tree DNA
Project Page Dan Chapman
To: CFAPartyLine(a)yahoogroups.com, "CHAPMAN-DNA-L(a)rootsweb.com"
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Overall, I believe the Chapman DNA project is suffering form lack of
focus, analysis and timely updates. Nobody is driving it. For example,
I share one of the few Chapman matches, and it doesn't even show up on
Dan's page. That would be between me - 24055 - and a newfound cousin,
Mike Chapman - N24864. I don't know if that's because Mike has not
passed the info along properly, or Dan has failed to post it - but it's
frustrating and does not encourage others to participate. I don't mean
that as a criticism of any individual. I criticize myself for not
understanding this stuff more, but it's only something that I come back
to on occasion. Nor do I have any interest in Dan's thankless job!
While I'm at it here, I would also like to alert people that I found a
close match with a Sims descendant. This is interesting for the fact
that Sims is a maternal connection. For those of you that follow John
and Jane Chapman of Culpepper, Frances Sims is the wife of Joshua
Morris, and they had three daughters that married sons of John and Jane
- including my direct Chapman ancestor. Finding a DNA link to Frances
Sims helped me trace and confirm her ancestry back many more
generations. yDNA is not supposed to be able to help on maternal
connections, but I found that untrue.
Tom
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 20:28:28 -0600
From: "Karen Wallace" <brneyes(a)comwares.net>
Subject: Re: [CHAPMAN-DNA] [CFAPartyLine] Chapman Family Tree DNA
ProjectPage Dan Chapman
To: <chapman-dna(a)rootsweb.com>
Message-ID: <002601c706d1$1ce59d10$3e76690c@KarensComputer>
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You might want to ask Mike if he gave permission to post his information.
That could be the reason that it is not there.
I think that Gil was organizing the yDNA info and trying to find out which
of the lines esp. in Va. had not been tested. You might want to email Gil a
see if he has made any new finds and could let all of us know. Many of us
are interested!
I think that there were many marriages with in the same families in earlier
times. But that is not suposed to show up in the yDNA because it is a
continuous line of male DNA, unless there was a child raised in the other
family and given that name or ? parentage.
Karen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Chapman" <SurfCityTom(a)socal.rr.com>
To: <CFAPartyLine(a)yahoogroups.com>; <CHAPMAN-DNA-L(a)rootsweb.com>;
<ALD159PEN(a)aol.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [CHAPMAN-DNA] [CFAPartyLine] Chapman Family Tree DNA
ProjectPage Dan Chapman
Overall, I believe the Chapman DNA project is suffering form lack of
focus, analysis and timely updates. Nobody is driving it. For example,
I share one of the few Chapman matches, and it doesn't even show up on
Dan's page. That would be between me - 24055 - and a newfound cousin,
Mike Chapman - N24864. I don't know if that's because Mike has not
passed the info along properly, or Dan has failed to post it - but it's
frustrating and does not encourage others to participate. I don't mean
that as a criticism of any individual. I criticize myself for not
understanding this stuff more, but it's only something that I come back
to on occasion. Nor do I have any interest in Dan's thankless job!
While I'm at it here, I would also like to alert people that I found a
close match with a Sims descendant. This is interesting for the fact
that Sims is a maternal connection. For those of you that follow John
and Jane Chapman of Culpepper, Frances Sims is the wife of Joshua
Morris, and they had three daughters that married sons of John and Jane
- including my direct Chapman ancestor. Finding a DNA link to Frances
Sims helped me trace and confirm her ancestry back many more
generations. yDNA is not supposed to be able to help on maternal
connections, but I found that untrue.
Tom
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:20:30 -0600
From: "Karen Wallace" <brneyes(a)comwares.net>
Subject: Re: [CHAPMAN-DNA] CHAPMAN-DNA Digest, Vol 1, Issue 1
To: <chapman-dna(a)rootsweb.com>
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I know from reading family histories that life was not always as easy or
predictable as it is now. Many children would find themselves raised in
other families because they lost their parents or maybe the parents were
just unable to raise the children or child and were adopted and the name
changed. Many people who do not carry a common surname are probably related
and especially if there is a common thread that weaves the 2 Surnames
together!
Karen
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To: <chapman-dna(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [CHAPMAN-DNA] CHAPMAN-DNA Digest, Vol 1, Issue 1
Just to respond to Karen's post about the possibility of finding
a
connection with a supposedly maternal connection...it was not uncommon for
children to be given to a childless sibling. I've found it done as
recently
as the 1860s in Greenville, SC. The child was not an orphan. The writer,
Jane Austen, had a brother who was adopted by her childless aunt and uncle
and incorporated the event into her novel, "Emma". So, if you find a
close
connection to another line, it may be the reason why.
-----Original Message-----
From: chapman-dna-bounces(a)rootsweb.com
[mailto:chapman-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of
chapman-dna-request(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 12:08 AM
To: chapman-dna(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: CHAPMAN-DNA Digest, Vol 1, Issue 1
Today's Topics:
1. Re: [CFAPartyLine] Chapman Family Tree DNA Project Page Dan
Chapman (Tom Chapman)
2. Re: [CFAPartyLine] Chapman Family Tree DNA ProjectPage Dan
Chapman (Karen Wallace)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 13:19:18 -0800
From: Tom Chapman <SurfCityTom(a)socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [CHAPMAN-DNA] [CFAPartyLine] Chapman Family Tree DNA
Project Page Dan Chapman
To: CFAPartyLine(a)yahoogroups.com, "CHAPMAN-DNA-L(a)rootsweb.com"
<CHAPMAN-DNA-L(a)rootsweb.com>, ALD159PEN(a)aol.com
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Overall, I believe the Chapman DNA project is suffering form lack of
focus, analysis and timely updates. Nobody is driving it. For example,
I share one of the few Chapman matches, and it doesn't even show up on
Dan's page. That would be between me - 24055 - and a newfound cousin,
Mike Chapman - N24864. I don't know if that's because Mike has not
passed the info along properly, or Dan has failed to post it - but it's
frustrating and does not encourage others to participate. I don't mean
that as a criticism of any individual. I criticize myself for not
understanding this stuff more, but it's only something that I come back
to on occasion. Nor do I have any interest in Dan's thankless job!
While I'm at it here, I would also like to alert people that I found a
close match with a Sims descendant. This is interesting for the fact
that Sims is a maternal connection. For those of you that follow John
and Jane Chapman of Culpepper, Frances Sims is the wife of Joshua
Morris, and they had three daughters that married sons of John and Jane
- including my direct Chapman ancestor. Finding a DNA link to Frances
Sims helped me trace and confirm her ancestry back many more
generations. yDNA is not supposed to be able to help on maternal
connections, but I found that untrue.
Tom
------------------------------
Message: 2
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 20:28:28 -0600
From: "Karen Wallace" <brneyes(a)comwares.net>
Subject: Re: [CHAPMAN-DNA] [CFAPartyLine] Chapman Family Tree DNA
ProjectPage Dan Chapman
To: <chapman-dna(a)rootsweb.com>
Message-ID: <002601c706d1$1ce59d10$3e76690c@KarensComputer>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
You might want to ask Mike if he gave permission to post his information.
That could be the reason that it is not there.
I think that Gil was organizing the yDNA info and trying to find out which
of the lines esp. in Va. had not been tested. You might want to email Gil
a
see if he has made any new finds and could let all of us know. Many of us
are interested!
I think that there were many marriages with in the same families in
earlier
times. But that is not suposed to show up in the yDNA because it is a
continuous line of male DNA, unless there was a child raised in the other
family and given that name or ? parentage.
Karen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Chapman" <SurfCityTom(a)socal.rr.com>
To: <CFAPartyLine(a)yahoogroups.com>; <CHAPMAN-DNA-L(a)rootsweb.com>;
<ALD159PEN(a)aol.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [CHAPMAN-DNA] [CFAPartyLine] Chapman Family Tree DNA
ProjectPage Dan Chapman
Overall, I believe the Chapman DNA project is suffering form lack of
focus, analysis and timely updates. Nobody is driving it. For example,
I share one of the few Chapman matches, and it doesn't even show up on
Dan's page. That would be between me - 24055 - and a newfound cousin,
Mike Chapman - N24864. I don't know if that's because Mike has not
passed the info along properly, or Dan has failed to post it - but it's
frustrating and does not encourage others to participate. I don't mean
that as a criticism of any individual. I criticize myself for not
understanding this stuff more, but it's only something that I come back
to on occasion. Nor do I have any interest in Dan's thankless job!
While I'm at it here, I would also like to alert people that I found a
close match with a Sims descendant. This is interesting for the fact
that Sims is a maternal connection. For those of you that follow John
and Jane Chapman of Culpepper, Frances Sims is the wife of Joshua
Morris, and they had three daughters that married sons of John and Jane
- including my direct Chapman ancestor. Finding a DNA link to Frances
Sims helped me trace and confirm her ancestry back many more
generations. yDNA is not supposed to be able to help on maternal
connections, but I found that untrue.
Tom
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 09:06:37 -0500
From: "Michael L. Chapman" <mchapman(a)chapmanfirm.com>
Subject: Re: [CHAPMAN-DNA] [CFAPartyLine] Chapman Family Tree
DNAProjectPage Dan Chapman
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Great news on the match, Tom Chapman. I believe that your DNA match N24864
may be with the Mike Chapman who posts as "Michael in Las Vegas." I don't
know if he subscribes to the CHAPMAN-DNA list, so I have copied him on the
message at his last known address (to me) just to make sure that he was
aware that his DNA posting was "wanted and needed." My DNA is posted and I
hope to match up with someone other than the mailman soon (grin).
Mike Chapman (from Atlanta)
_____________________________________________
Michael L. Chapman
Michael L. Chapman, P.C.
4200 Northside Parkway
Building One, Suite 200
Atlanta, Georgia 30327
Direct Dial 404-262-3320 - Fax 404-237-2150
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Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 9:28 PM
To: chapman-dna(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CHAPMAN-DNA] [CFAPartyLine] Chapman Family Tree DNAProjectPage
Dan Chapman
You might want to ask Mike if he gave permission to post his information.
That could be the reason that it is not there.
I think that Gil was organizing the yDNA info and trying to find out which
of the lines esp. in Va. had not been tested. You might want to email Gil a
see if he has made any new finds and could let all of us know. Many of us
are interested!
I think that there were many marriages with in the same families in earlier
times. But that is not suposed to show up in the yDNA because it is a
continuous line of male DNA, unless there was a child raised in the other
family and given that name or ? parentage.
Karen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Chapman" <SurfCityTom(a)socal.rr.com>
To: <CFAPartyLine(a)yahoogroups.com>; <CHAPMAN-DNA-L(a)rootsweb.com>;
<ALD159PEN(a)aol.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [CHAPMAN-DNA] [CFAPartyLine] Chapman Family Tree DNA
ProjectPage Dan Chapman
Overall, I believe the Chapman DNA project is suffering form lack of
focus, analysis and timely updates. Nobody is driving it. For example,
I share one of the few Chapman matches, and it doesn't even show up on
Dan's page. That would be between me - 24055 - and a newfound cousin,
Mike Chapman - N24864. I don't know if that's because Mike has not
passed the info along properly, or Dan has failed to post it - but it's
frustrating and does not encourage others to participate. I don't mean
that as a criticism of any individual. I criticize myself for not
understanding this stuff more, but it's only something that I come back
to on occasion. Nor do I have any interest in Dan's thankless job!
While I'm at it here, I would also like to alert people that I found a
close match with a Sims descendant. This is interesting for the fact
that Sims is a maternal connection. For those of you that follow John
and Jane Chapman of Culpepper, Frances Sims is the wife of Joshua
Morris, and they had three daughters that married sons of John and Jane
- including my direct Chapman ancestor. Finding a DNA link to Frances
Sims helped me trace and confirm her ancestry back many more
generations. yDNA is not supposed to be able to help on maternal
connections, but I found that untrue.
Tom
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