Just had to respond to concerns about illegitimacy, cuckolding,
out-of-family adoption and so on...
In my general research as someone who loves to learn about history, it seems
that people were pretty open about such matters. After all, in the past,
communities generally knew everything to know about everybody. Many times,
even if you moved to another state, there were people there who knew who you
were.
There are common instances where a child is adopted within a family group -
in order to continue the family name when there are no males born in a
family and a sister's family has an abundance of children. An arrangement is
made to change the sister's son's surname to her brother's surname (her
maiden name) with the understanding that the son will go to live with his
aunt and uncle and will inherit their wealth and property. When the boy is
coming from a family with many children and an average to below average
personal estate, the advantages to both the boy and his siblings are
obvious.
Now, it's true that when you reach the point in the past that you don't know
the names and circumstances of your great great grandparents, you probably
won't know if one of them was illegitimate. I've come across instances where
that discovery was personally devastating to the researcher and they refused
to believe it even though the revelation came through a will or through a
real estate dispute and the heirs were testifying.
But, since none of us have any way of knowing what happened in the lives of
our great great great great grandparents (or their great great great
grandparents), it seems that allowing the "unknown" to prevent someone from
trying to do research would be regrettable. Learning a negative is
preferable to allowing an incorrect record to stand. When I find errors in
family trees involving my extended family, I try to correct the mistake as
much as possible. Tough when dealing with the internet family trees and
people just reproduce what they find without question. But, if we don't try,
we are doing a disservice to ourselves and our families.
Thanks,
Nancy
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Today's Topics:
1. We need more participants (Sloan Crayton)
2. Re: We need more participants (Rees Chapman)
3. Re: CHAPMAN-DNA Digest, Vol 2, Issue 3 (Daniel Chapman)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 05:27:32 -0700
From: "Sloan Crayton" <sloanc(a)mindspring.com
Subject:
[CHAPMAN-DNA] We need more participants
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I paid for my Dad to be tested a few years ago in hopes that we would be
able to find a link to other Chapmans through DNA. As far as we know, my
great great grandfather did not have surviving siblings but we believe he
had lots of cousins. Unfortunately, none of that group of Chapmans have been
tested to prove or disprove our theory.
I understand that with the current economic downturn, many people may
question spending money on DNA tests to look for long lost connections. But,
I wish they would find a way to do it. They have knowledge of grandparents
and great grandparents that may be lost once they are gone. Their
descendants may participant in a Y-search study, but their descendants may
not know the names and stories of older relatives. You know, how Grandpa
wound up here when he started out there. And certain family traits that seem
to be passed on generation to generation. That is always such a loss.
Nancy
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 09:04:07 -0400
From: "Rees Chapman" <winwinsit(a)gmail.com
Subject:
Re: [CHAPMAN-DNA] We need more participants
To: chapman-dna(a)rootsweb.com
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I had similar misgivings a few years ago when I signed up for this
board, and decided not to participate (yet).
My worries:
<the validity of the Y chromosome studies. Only recently have
companies admitted that the polymorphism rates vary by family.
<the credibility of the companies. There are stories of ripoffs.
And, if there are too many companies not sharing data, the results are
of limited value.
<the reliability of existing genealogical lineages. I have doubts
about a good many family trees with evidence of researcher "grafting."
<the adoption/cuckhold issue. Back a century ago, households took in
orphans and gave them their surnames, with no formal record. And if a
child was of questionable paternity, it wasn't investigated or talked
about.
Now, I'm considering participating. But I want to learn that these
worries have been considered, taken into account, and (when possible)
resolved.
Rees
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 8:27 AM, Sloan Crayton <sloanc(a)mindspring.com
wrote:
I paid for my Dad to be tested a few years ago in hopes that we would
be
able to find a link to other Chapmans through DNA. As far as we know, my
great great grandfather did not have surviving siblings but we believe he
had lots of cousins. Unfortunately, none of that group of Chapmans have
been
tested to prove or disprove our theory.
I understand that with the current economic downturn, many people may
question spending money on DNA tests to look for long lost connections.
But,
I wish they would find a way to do it. They have knowledge of
grandparents
and great grandparents that may be lost once they are gone. Their
descendants may participant in a Y-search study, but their descendants may
not know the names and stories of older relatives. You know, how Grandpa
wound up here when he started out there. And certain family traits that
seem
to be passed on generation to generation. That is always such a
loss.
Nancy
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:24:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: Daniel Chapman <nikiarose(a)yahoo.com
Subject:
Re: [CHAPMAN-DNA] CHAPMAN-DNA Digest, Vol 2, Issue 3
To: chapman-dna(a)rootsweb.com
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I agree with Noni and don't believe she's naive. It would be great if there
were separate project administrators for each Chapman haplogroup. Maybe
when we reach 100 participants . . . .
There is slow progress in new participation. When matches are found, there
needs to be additional cousins tested in order to separate the family
branches.
Dan Chapman
Family Tree DNA
Chapman Surname Project Administrator
--- On Mon, 8/25/08, chapman-dna-request(a)rootsweb.com
<chapman-dna-request(a)rootsweb.com> wrote:
> From: chapman-dna-request(a)rootsweb.com <chapman-dna-request(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: CHAPMAN-DNA Digest, Vol 2, Issue 3
> To: chapman-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 3:03 AM
> Today's Topics:
>
> 1. DNA project (K Powell)
> 2. Re: DNA project (Heirlines(a)aol.com)
> 3. Re: DNA project (Rees Chapman)
> 4. Re: DNA project ( My "2" cents)
> (OLDNONI(a)cs.com)
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>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 07:17:59 -0700 (PDT)
> From: K Powell <grannytoad(a)yahoo.com
>
Subject: [CHAPMAN-DNA] DNA project
> To: CHAPMAN-DNA(a)rootsweb.com
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> My brother (whose DNA we submitted back a few years ago
> now) and I are about convinced that the surname
> "chapman" translates as: "dropped off on this
> planet by the mothership as a joke".
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 11:08:37 EDT
> From: Heirlines(a)aol.com
> Subject: Re: [CHAPMAN-DNA] DNA project
> To: grannytoad(a)yahoo.com, CHAPMAN-DNA(a)rootsweb.com
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> That's exactly how I feel about my husband's uncle.
> It's one thing to not
> match any other Chapmans, but shouldn't he match
> SOMEBODY????
>
> Lauren Maehrlein
>
> Maehrlein's Heirlines
> Plant a tree, then start your family tree.
>
>
>
> **************It's only a deal if it's where you
> want to go. Find your travel
> deal here.
> (
http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)
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>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 13:17:05 -0400
> From: "Rees Chapman" <winwinsit(a)gmail.com
>
Subject: Re: [CHAPMAN-DNA] DNA project
> To: grannytoad(a)yahoo.com, chapman-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> Message-ID:
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> Maybe Chapmans are the product of many thousands of virgin
> births?
>
> Rees
>
> On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 10:17 AM, K Powell
> <grannytoad(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> > My brother (whose DNA we submitted back a few years
> ago now) and I are about convinced that the surname
> "chapman" translates as: "dropped off on this
> planet by the mothership as a joke".
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 14:25:53 EDT
> From: OLDNONI(a)cs.com
> Subject: Re: [CHAPMAN-DNA] DNA project ( My "2"
> cents)
> To: chapman-dna(a)rootsweb.com
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> To All,
>
> Maybe I am a bit more naive, bur I truly believe if more
> Chapman "males' would get a DNA test, in short
> time we
> could put some of these lines together.--- Its just a swab
> in the
> cheek Rees, even you are up to that ---- from my oldest
> Chapman
> nephew, we connected to Mike Chapman (Las Vegas Mike) and
> knew it was in early Barren or Lincoln Co. Ky. -----------
> but gosh,
> what if you did connect with one of the Chapmans in
> Charles Co.,
> Maryland in the late 1600's---------- I would give
> anything, do hand
> springs up and down the hall if a Male Chapman related to
> Richard or Thomas Chapman who live in Charles Co, in
> the early 1700's would get a DNA test---- we know some
> moved on to Virginia.
>
> So there !!!!!, from the desert of California, Noni
>
>
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