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Oh, I know, Noni. All too well! <g>
Mari
At 04:04 PM 8/8/2004,OLDNONI(a)cs.com wrote:
>Mari,
>
>One thing I know about is "Rees" wit! He sure used it
>on me for years. Now you just be a good boy Rees.
>(and P.S., he is a smart as a whip about his Chapman
>lineage) ----and will be a big help to our list.---
>
>Noni
Another point I recall considering a few years ago, leading me to conclude
ISAAC CHAPMAN of Orange Co. VA was probably NOT a descendant of THOMAS
CHAPMAN of Jordons Journey 1610.
It seems very odd to me that, following four successive generations of
Thomas Chapmans, none of the next four generations descendents appear to
have named a son Thomas. Isaac named none of his children Thomas, nor did
his sons Isaac, John, or Richard, nor did Jemimah McKenzie. No Thomas among
his grandchildren, either. Of course, Thomas IV may have been a wicked
creep, but otherwise it suggests Isaac and Thomas were of different
lineages.
Rees
Noni - how sweet! I'll try to be good. . .
Rees
>From: OLDNONI(a)cs.com
>Reply-To: CHAPMAN-DNA-L(a)rootsweb.com
>To: CHAPMAN-DNA-L(a)rootsweb.com
>Subject: Re: [CHAPMAN-DNA] Rees and Karen
>Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 17:04:13 EDT
>
>Mari,
>
>One thing I know about is "Rees" wit! He sure used it
>on me for years. Now you just be a good boy Rees.
>(and P.S., he is a smart as a whip about his Chapman
>lineage) ----and will be a big help to our list.---
>
>Noni
>
>
>
Whew. The POLICE-L must be pretty strict around here! How many meg is the
rulebook? ;-)
Apology not accepted, it being unnecessary. But I appreciate your concern
and sensitivity.
Rees
>My apologies to the two of you
>I should have sent this privately....was so taken with the play on
>words...as I saw it..
>that I wasn't thinking. Sooo I apologize to you both where I made the
>goof.
>
>Thanks Karen, for taking it in kind....and you too, Rees. :)
>
>Mari
>
>At 09:54 AM 8/8/2004,Karen Wallace wrote:
>>Rees, OK I'll bite! What do you do?
>>Karen
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: Mari <ddmmjm(a)netins.net>
>>To: <CHAPMAN-DNA-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>>Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 8:49 PM
>>Subject: Re: [CHAPMAN-DNA] The Isaac > Thomas Chapman myth
>>
>>
>> > Karen,
>> > Think things through???
>> >
>> > Ask Rees what he does??!! <g>
>> >
>> > Sorry, Rees....couldn't resist....
>> >
>> > Mari
>> >
>> > At 12:16 AM 8/8/2004,Karen Wallace wrote:
>> > >Rees, I love it. I love it. I love to hear people think things
>>through!
>> > >I also love to learn about how they might levy a tax to pay for burial
>>and
>> > >the jokes are good too. I especially am interested in the Virginia
>> > >ancestors. I think I read at the CFA that one of the first Thomas
>>Chapmans
>> > >had 7 or 8 sons.(not sure of the #) but it was a lot! I remember
>>commenting
>> > >to my husband that maybe we did all come from this Thomas. Anyway, if
>>only
>> > >a few of them had a son and named that son Thomas, then there would
>>be a
>> > >great many. Many of the people named their sons the same over and
>>over
>>in
>> > >the VA area and it makes them hard to track (even the ones just since
>>my
>> > >GGgrandfather Wm.). Rees glad you are participating in the DNA study.
>> I
>> > >hope to find someone to participate in my line.
>> > >Karen
>> > >----- Original Message -----
>> > >From: Rees Chapman <winwinsit(a)hotmail.com>
>> > >To: <CHAPMAN-DNA-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>> > >Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 4:11 AM
>> > >Subject: [CHAPMAN-DNA] The Isaac > Thomas Chapman myth
>> >
>> > <snipped>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>
>
www.DrChapman.org ;-}
Rees
>From: "Karen Wallace" <brneyes(a)comwares.net>
>Reply-To: CHAPMAN-DNA-L(a)rootsweb.com
>To: CHAPMAN-DNA-L(a)rootsweb.com
>Subject: Re: [CHAPMAN-DNA] The Isaac > Thomas Chapman myth
>Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 07:54:10 -0700
>
>Rees, OK I'll bite! What do you do?
>Karen
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Mari <ddmmjm(a)netins.net>
>To: <CHAPMAN-DNA-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 8:49 PM
>Subject: Re: [CHAPMAN-DNA] The Isaac > Thomas Chapman myth
>
>
> > Karen,
> > Think things through???
> >
> > Ask Rees what he does??!! <g>
> >
> > Sorry, Rees....couldn't resist....
> >
> > Mari
> >
> > At 12:16 AM 8/8/2004,Karen Wallace wrote:
> > >Rees, I love it. I love it. I love to hear people think things
>through!
> > >I also love to learn about how they might levy a tax to pay for burial
>and
> > >the jokes are good too. I especially am interested in the Virginia
> > >ancestors. I think I read at the CFA that one of the first Thomas
>Chapmans
> > >had 7 or 8 sons.(not sure of the #) but it was a lot! I remember
>commenting
> > >to my husband that maybe we did all come from this Thomas. Anyway, if
>only
> > >a few of them had a son and named that son Thomas, then there would be
>a
> > >great many. Many of the people named their sons the same over and
>over
>in
> > >the VA area and it makes them hard to track (even the ones just since
>my
> > >GGgrandfather Wm.). Rees glad you are participating in the DNA study.
>I
> > >hope to find someone to participate in my line.
> > >Karen
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: Rees Chapman <winwinsit(a)hotmail.com>
> > >To: <CHAPMAN-DNA-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > >Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 4:11 AM
> > >Subject: [CHAPMAN-DNA] The Isaac > Thomas Chapman myth
> >
> > <snipped>
> >
> >
> >
>
Rees, OK I'll bite! What do you do?
Karen
----- Original Message -----
From: Mari <ddmmjm(a)netins.net>
To: <CHAPMAN-DNA-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: [CHAPMAN-DNA] The Isaac > Thomas Chapman myth
> Karen,
> Think things through???
>
> Ask Rees what he does??!! <g>
>
> Sorry, Rees....couldn't resist....
>
> Mari
>
> At 12:16 AM 8/8/2004,Karen Wallace wrote:
> >Rees, I love it. I love it. I love to hear people think things
through!
> >I also love to learn about how they might levy a tax to pay for burial
and
> >the jokes are good too. I especially am interested in the Virginia
> >ancestors. I think I read at the CFA that one of the first Thomas
Chapmans
> >had 7 or 8 sons.(not sure of the #) but it was a lot! I remember
commenting
> >to my husband that maybe we did all come from this Thomas. Anyway, if
only
> >a few of them had a son and named that son Thomas, then there would be a
> >great many. Many of the people named their sons the same over and over
in
> >the VA area and it makes them hard to track (even the ones just since my
> >GGgrandfather Wm.). Rees glad you are participating in the DNA study. I
> >hope to find someone to participate in my line.
> >Karen
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Rees Chapman <winwinsit(a)hotmail.com>
> >To: <CHAPMAN-DNA-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> >Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 4:11 AM
> >Subject: [CHAPMAN-DNA] The Isaac > Thomas Chapman myth
>
> <snipped>
>
>
>
ALERT!!! Descendents of Isaac Chapman!!!
Did you know that the owner of the old Chapman homestead in Giles Co. VA is
trying to develop the site? In and around the cemetery and home ruins would
be put a large number of homes.
See the second paragraph of the letter I just sent the Giles County
Historical Society Research Library.
What can we do?
Rees
_____________________________________________
Dear Temple,
Thanks you for directing us to the the Hayes' B&B, and the Chapman site. I
have tried to forward some of the pictures and correspondence from our trip
to the cemetery and home ruins to you; I want to be sure you've received
them. Use them however you'd like. If you'd like higher resolution images
to keep at the library (which don't email well), I can send you a CD
"snail-mail."
Are you aware of the "crisis" unfolding on Riverbend Drive? Mr. Wade,
current owner, wants to develop the area in and around the cemetery and
ruins, while the neighbors and Hayes' were told it would stay undeveloped.
There is some court activity pending. I thought perhaps you would know
about the designation and protection of "historic places," which I would
imagine describes the old Chapman homestead.
As well, I intend to rally interest from Chapman descendents.
What can you suggest?
Rees Chapman
winwinsit(a)hotmail.com
>From: "aanrv" <aanrv(a)verizon.net>
>To: <winwinsit(a)hotmail.com>
>Subject: Chapman Cemetery
>Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 16:50:26 -0400
>
>Dr. Chapman:
>
>The Chapman cemetery you are interested in is now located on the
>property of Lynn and Linda Hayes who operate the Inn at Riverbend bed
>and breakfast. Linda's father, Bob Pretat, has done a lot of research on
>the cemetery and there is a path from the Inn down the slope to it.
>If you do come to Pearisburg, I am certain they will be happy to let you
>visit the site. In fact, you may want to stay at the Inn while you are
>here. It is a lovely place and the nicest accommodations in the area.
>Their website is www.innatriverbend.com <http://www.innatriverbend.com/>
>.
>If I can be of further assistance, please let me know.
>
>Temple Lawrence
>Giles County Historical Society Research Library
>gileschs(a)i-plus.net
Rees, I love it. I love it. I love to hear people think things through!
I also love to learn about how they might levy a tax to pay for burial and
the jokes are good too. I especially am interested in the Virginia
ancestors. I think I read at the CFA that one of the first Thomas Chapmans
had 7 or 8 sons.(not sure of the #) but it was a lot! I remember commenting
to my husband that maybe we did all come from this Thomas. Anyway, if only
a few of them had a son and named that son Thomas, then there would be a
great many. Many of the people named their sons the same over and over in
the VA area and it makes them hard to track (even the ones just since my
GGgrandfather Wm.). Rees glad you are participating in the DNA study. I
hope to find someone to participate in my line.
Karen
----- Original Message -----
From: Rees Chapman <winwinsit(a)hotmail.com>
To: <CHAPMAN-DNA-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 4:11 AM
Subject: [CHAPMAN-DNA] The Isaac > Thomas Chapman myth
> I'm excited to hear about the ongoing DNA study, and I'm preparing to
> participate. For me, the issue is intriguing, because I've had grave
doubts
> for years about the alleged lineage of Isaac through Thomas. Here's my
> position:
> ___________________________________________________
>
> ISAAC CHAPMAN of Orange Co. VA was probably NOT a descendant of THOMAS
> CHAPMAN of Jordon's Journey 1610.
>
> Most descendants of Isaac, through the Giles County Chapmans including
> Isaac, John, and Jemima, believe their line passes through Thomas Chapman
> who came to America at Jordon's Journey in 1610 on the Tryall. To quote
> some of my cousins, "genealogy without documentation is mythology." In
this
> spirit, I am again challenging the Isaac>Thomas connection.
>
> I believe it all started with George Roberts' Genealogy of Joseph Peck
> (1955) which traces Isaac Chapman of Culpeper VA back to Thomas Chapman of
> 1610 Colonial Virginia, and lays out the following lineage:
>
> Thomas Chapman I (b. 1590) came to Jordon's Journey VA on the Tryallin
> 1610, m. Ann ? in 1618, had 2 children: Thomas II (b. 1619) and Ann (b.
> 1622), both in Jordon's Journey.
>
> Thomas II settled Elizabeth River VA (probably Norfolk), married ?
Had
> a son Thomas III b. ca. 1642.
>
> Thomas III settled in Charles Co. MD in 1662? and supposedly m.
> Elizabeth Craxon in 1689. Had 2 children: Thomas IV (b. 3-26-1690) and
Mary
> (b. 8-19-1693). Thomas III would have 48 years old, and Elizabeth (b.
1644)
> would have been 46, when Thomas IV was born; 51 and 49 respectively for
> Mary.
>
> Thomas IV ultimately settled in Orange Co, probably what became
> Culpeper Co., VA
>
> I know, 49 year old women in Colonial America, such as Elizabeth Craxon
> Chapman in 1693, did have kids - but it was quite unusual. In August 1705
> there is a Thomas Chapman married to Margaret Chapman in Stafford Co, VA,
> across and a bit up the Potomac River, whose property Thomas is giving to
> her son by a previous husband William Perkins. Roberts assumes it's the
same
> Thomas as was previously married to Elizabeth Craxon. Within four months,
we
> have Thomas Chapman in Charles Co. MD (June 15, 1695) and in Stafford Co.
VA
> (September 30, 1695). There's evidence of another Thomas Chapman in
Roberts'
> work in Kent Co. MD (further up the Chesapeake Bay) in 1659, whose father
> was Richard Chapman - obviously not the same direct lineage as Thomas III.
> With multiple Thomases around the Chesapeake Bay in the 1600s and the age
of
> Thomas III, I believe the Thomas (Tryall) Chapman I and Thomas Chapman IV
> connection is questionable.
>
> According to Roberts, the Thomas Chapman born March 26, 1690 in Charles
Co.
> MD is the same Thomas Chapman whose death inventory we find in Culpeper VA
> dated Nov. 18, 1782. Later, says Roberts, "it may have been his son, b.
ca.
> 1810-12." What???
>
> Culbertson's Hunter Genealogy lists Thomas' children as Nathaniel, George,
> John, and an unidentified daughter; NO Isaac. For some reason, says
Roberts,
> "to this we would add Isaac." And "We are certain that Isaac was a son of
> Thomas IV." Why???
>
> Johnson's History of Middle New River Settlements mentions an Isaac
Chapman
> born in Charles County, MD; about 1716, although there is apparently no
> record of this birth in county records. For reasons that are unclear,
> Roberts therefore assumes Isaac's father must have been born in Charles
Co.
> MD.
>
> Then, Roberts goes on to state that there is no recorded evidence that the
> other members (i.e., Nathaniel and George) were brothers of Isaac and
John,
> therefore, they shall not be considered further.. ." SO -we have no Isaac
> born in Charles Co., but he must be the son of Thomas born in Charles Co.
in
> 1690, who must be the same Thomas who died in Culpeper in 1782. And
although
> there is apparently evidence that Thomas had children George and
Nathaniel,
> there is no evidence of Isaac being brother of George and Nathaniel -
thus,
> we dismiss them as Thomas' sons. Very sloppy reasoning! It leads me to
> suspect that Roberts felt competed to graft Isaac Chapman's family tree
onto
> Thomas', thus stretching the lineage back to 1610.
>
> So, where did Isaac of Orange Co. VA come from? Here, other historical
> documents are incomplete and contradictory. The Pearisburg Virginian in
> March 15, 1928 quotes Mrs. W. P. Miller at the unveiling of the D.A.R.
> marker for the grave of his son John Chapman: "The Chapmans who were of
> English origin, immigrated to America and settled in Connecticut long
prior
> to the Revolutionary War. From there they moved to Charles County,
> Maryland. Leaving Maryland before the beginning of the revolution, a part
> of them came to Culpeper county, Virginia. Isaac Chapman was among this
> number, and there he married Sarah Cole, by whom he had threes sons and
one
> daughter, namely, Isaac, John, Richard, and Jemima." But, a letter by
> Isaac's grandson Henley Chapman reads "My grandfather was named Isaac
> Chapman; he emigrated to Virginia from England, the year unknown; he
settled
> in Virginia, perhaps in Culpeper County."
>
> CONCLUSION: it is a MYTH that Isaac Chapman of Orange descended from
Thomas
> Chapman of Jordon's Journey. Not that myths can't one day be shown to be
> factual as well. . .
> ________________________________________
>
> Now - I can with some certainty trace my line back to John Chapman
> (1740-1815) of Giles County. Connections with Isaac are likely, only
poorly
> documented. I doubt the direct connection through Isaac to Thomas of
> Jordan's Journey. My understanding of genetic studies tells me my genome
> will be compared with those of other descendants of Isaac, then contrasted
> with known descendants of Thomas. My question: can we identify
descendants
> of Thomas with certainty? I would NOT include descendants of Isaac as
known
> descendants of Thomas for the purpose of genetic comparison.
>
> I plan to follow the investigation eagerly!
>
> Rees Chapman
> Dahlonega, GA
> winwinsit(a)hotmail.com
>
>
>
I got my kit and did my first "scrape" this morning. One more tonight, then
I'll have it in the mail on Monday!
Is anybody in that Isaac line in the DNA project?
Tom
(John Chapman and Jane Donaho)
I'm excited to hear about the ongoing DNA study, and I'm preparing to
participate. For me, the issue is intriguing, because I've had grave doubts
for years about the alleged lineage of Isaac through Thomas. Here's my
position:
___________________________________________________
ISAAC CHAPMAN of Orange Co. VA was probably NOT a descendant of THOMAS
CHAPMAN of Jordons Journey 1610.
Most descendants of Isaac, through the Giles County Chapmans including
Isaac, John, and Jemima, believe their line passes through Thomas Chapman
who came to America at Jordons Journey in 1610 on the Tryall. To quote
some of my cousins, genealogy without documentation is mythology. In this
spirit, I am again challenging the Isaac>Thomas connection.
I believe it all started with George Roberts Genealogy of Joseph Peck
(1955) which traces Isaac Chapman of Culpeper VA back to Thomas Chapman of
1610 Colonial Virginia, and lays out the following lineage:
Thomas Chapman I (b. 1590) came to Jordon's Journey VA on the Tryallin
1610, m. Ann ? in 1618, had 2 children: Thomas II (b. 1619) and Ann (b.
1622), both in Jordon's Journey.
Thomas II settled Elizabeth River VA (probably Norfolk), married ? Had
a son Thomas III b. ca. 1642.
Thomas III settled in Charles Co. MD in 1662? and supposedly m.
Elizabeth Craxon in 1689. Had 2 children: Thomas IV (b. 3-26-1690) and Mary
(b. 8-19-1693). Thomas III would have 48 years old, and Elizabeth (b. 1644)
would have been 46, when Thomas IV was born; 51 and 49 respectively for
Mary.
Thomas IV ultimately settled in Orange Co, probably what became
Culpeper Co., VA
I know, 49 year old women in Colonial America, such as Elizabeth Craxon
Chapman in 1693, did have kids - but it was quite unusual. In August 1705
there is a Thomas Chapman married to Margaret Chapman in Stafford Co, VA,
across and a bit up the Potomac River, whose property Thomas is giving to
her son by a previous husband William Perkins. Roberts assumes it's the same
Thomas as was previously married to Elizabeth Craxon. Within four months, we
have Thomas Chapman in Charles Co. MD (June 15, 1695) and in Stafford Co. VA
(September 30, 1695). There's evidence of another Thomas Chapman in Roberts'
work in Kent Co. MD (further up the Chesapeake Bay) in 1659, whose father
was Richard Chapman - obviously not the same direct lineage as Thomas III.
With multiple Thomases around the Chesapeake Bay in the 1600s and the age of
Thomas III, I believe the Thomas (Tryall) Chapman I and Thomas Chapman IV
connection is questionable.
According to Roberts, the Thomas Chapman born March 26, 1690 in Charles Co.
MD is the same Thomas Chapman whose death inventory we find in Culpeper VA
dated Nov. 18, 1782. Later, says Roberts, "it may have been his son, b. ca.
1810-12." What???
Culbertson's Hunter Genealogy lists Thomas' children as Nathaniel, George,
John, and an unidentified daughter; NO Isaac. For some reason, says Roberts,
"to this we would add Isaac." And "We are certain that Isaac was a son of
Thomas IV." Why???
Johnson's History of Middle New River Settlements mentions an Isaac Chapman
born in Charles County, MD; about 1716, although there is apparently no
record of this birth in county records. For reasons that are unclear,
Roberts therefore assumes Isaac's father must have been born in Charles Co.
MD.
Then, Roberts goes on to state that there is no recorded evidence that the
other members (i.e., Nathaniel and George) were brothers of Isaac and John,
therefore, they shall not be considered further.. ." SO -we have no Isaac
born in Charles Co., but he must be the son of Thomas born in Charles Co. in
1690, who must be the same Thomas who died in Culpeper in 1782. And although
there is apparently evidence that Thomas had children George and Nathaniel,
there is no evidence of Isaac being brother of George and Nathaniel - thus,
we dismiss them as Thomas' sons. Very sloppy reasoning! It leads me to
suspect that Roberts felt competed to graft Isaac Chapman's family tree onto
Thomas', thus stretching the lineage back to 1610.
So, where did Isaac of Orange Co. VA come from? Here, other historical
documents are incomplete and contradictory. The Pearisburg Virginian in
March 15, 1928 quotes Mrs. W. P. Miller at the unveiling of the D.A.R.
marker for the grave of his son John Chapman: The Chapmans who were of
English origin, immigrated to America and settled in Connecticut long prior
to the Revolutionary War. From there they moved to Charles County,
Maryland. Leaving Maryland before the beginning of the revolution, a part
of them came to Culpeper county, Virginia. Isaac Chapman was among this
number, and there he married Sarah Cole, by whom he had threes sons and one
daughter, namely, Isaac, John, Richard, and Jemima. But, a letter by
Isaac's grandson Henley Chapman reads "My grandfather was named Isaac
Chapman; he emigrated to Virginia from England, the year unknown; he settled
in Virginia, perhaps in Culpeper County."
CONCLUSION: it is a MYTH that Isaac Chapman of Orange descended from Thomas
Chapman of Jordons Journey. Not that myths cant one day be shown to be
factual as well. . .
________________________________________
Now - I can with some certainty trace my line back to John Chapman
(1740-1815) of Giles County. Connections with Isaac are likely, only poorly
documented. I doubt the direct connection through Isaac to Thomas of
Jordan's Journey. My understanding of genetic studies tells me my genome
will be compared with those of other descendants of Isaac, then contrasted
with known descendants of Thomas. My question: can we identify descendants
of Thomas with certainty? I would NOT include descendants of Isaac as known
descendants of Thomas for the purpose of genetic comparison.
I plan to follow the investigation eagerly!
Rees Chapman
Dahlonega, GA
winwinsit(a)hotmail.com
Is there anyone on the list interested in DNA study of following Chapman
line?
John Chapman b. 1795 Cabell Co., Virginia (now West Virginia) m. Lucy Hudson
in 1816 Cabell Co.
I'd like to contribute toward cost of DNA sample from a male descendent of
this line. Several Chapman families lived in Cabell Co. in early 1800s. I
want to find out which lines this John Chapman was related to, if any.
Melody
Hi everyone....just wanted to let you know that I got my test kit on Saturday...it didn't take very long to get to me. I mailed it off today so now it's just a matter of waiting. The website says it takes seven weeks; I'm hoping it goes a little faster. I'm looking forward to seeing if there's a match with anyone else.
Corey Chapman
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>I have enjoyed following the recent messages in the CHAPMAN-DNA newsletter
>including the several comments about possible UK connections in the
>family. I am a 9th generation descendant in an all male line from Robert
>Chapman who settled in Old Saybrook, CT, in 1635. Family tradition
>suggests that he came from Hull, Yorkshire, England, and was born in
>1616. As far as I know these details regarding his English origin have
>not been documented.
>
>In an attempt to research Robert's English roots I would like to follow
>the Y-chromosome pattern in my family to compare it with others with the
>same descent. With evidence of its pattern consistency we could then seek
>help from our UK colleagues to identify potential ancestral lines in England.
>
>I have obtained data on my own Y-DNA through Relative Genetics tests for
>24 loci. A comparison with the database at Sorenson Molecular Genealogy
>Foundation's website, www.smgf.org, at present shows one near match, 22 of
>24 loci, with a line named Willis. It was disappointing not to have a
>Chapman close match, but Sorenson estimates our most recent shared
>ancestor with Willis was about 20 generations back when surnames were just
>coming into use.
>
>It is important if you make Y-DNA comparisons at Sorenson's website to pay
>close attention to their "Locus Comparison Table" because there are a few
>minor adjustments to make in your data entry when your tests are done at
>Relative Genetics or Family Tree DNA.
>
>I would be interested in hearing from other CHAPMANs who are probably
>descended through an all male line from the Robert who lived in Old
>Saybrook, CT, in the 1600's so that we might compare alleles at these 24
>loci. We then could call on Rupert and others in UK for help in further
>research in Chapman descendants in England.
>
>Rob
I have enjoyed following the recent messages in the CHAPMAN-DNA newsletter
including the several comments about possible UK connections in the
family. I am a 9th generation descendant in an all male line from Robert
Chapman who settled in Old Saybrook, CT, in 1635. Family tradition
suggests that he came from Hull, Yorkshire, England, and was born in
1616. As far as I know these details regarding his English origin have not
been documented.
In an attempt to research Robert's English roots I would like to follow the
Y-chromosome pattern in my family to compare it with others with the same
descent. With evidence of its pattern consistency we could then seek help
from our UK colleagues to identify potential ancestral lines in England.
I have obtained data on my own Y-DNA through Relative Genetics tests for 24
loci. A comparison with the database at Sorenson Molecular Genealogy
Foundation's website, www.smgf.org, at present shows one near match, 22 of
24 loci, with a line named Willis. It was disappointing not to have a
Chapman close match, but Sorenson estimates our most recent shared ancestor
with Willis was about 20 generations back when surnames were just coming
into use.
It is important if you make Y-DNA comparisons at Sorenson's website to pay
close attention to their "Locus Comparison Table" because there are a few
minor adjustments to make in your data entry when your tests are done at
Relative Genetics or Family Tree DNA.
I would be interested in hearing from other CHAPMANs who are probably
descended through an all male line from the Robert who lived in Old
Saybrook, CT, in the 1600's so that we might compare alleles at these 24
loci. We then could call on Rupert and others in UK for help in further
research in Chapman descendants in England.
Rob