Looks like son of Raemond:
Social Security Death Index Record
Name: Ward Chant
SSN: 093-18-4974
Born: 12 Aug 1927
Last Benefit: 89103 Las Vegas, Clark, Nevada, United States of America
Died: Dec 1981
State (Year) SSN issued: New York (Before 1951 )
Regards,
Sean
On Tuesday, May 30, 2006, at 10:11 PM, Sean Leyland wrote:
Hello Listers,
On the 1930 US census:
Chauquatua County, NY
Raemond Chant, Head aged 33 born NY, (can't read occupation)
Grace W Chant, wife aged 33 born NY
Ward Chant, son aged 2 born NY
William Chant, son aged 6 months born NY
One presumes there were more children after 1930.
Looks like the Oborne family is well and truly established with this
lot, both via Raemond and brother James.
Regards,
Sean
On Tuesday, May 30, 2006, at 10:06 PM, Sean Leyland wrote:
> Hello LIsters,
>
> On the 1930 US census:
>
> Johnstone, Fulton, NY
>
> Anna Chant, Head aged 65, widow, born NY
> Harriet Chant, daughter aged 31, single, teacher, born NY
>
> So obviously Ralph had died before 1930.
>
> Next door to these are:
>
> James Chant, Head aged 39, born NY, salesman at glove factory
> Sara Chant, wife aged 32 born NY
> Frederick Ralph Chant, son aged 3 born NY
> Ralph Richard Chant, son aged 6 months born NY
>
> So the name of Ralph lived/lives on....and James was continuing the
> family gloving business.
>
> Regards,
>
> Sean
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 30, 2006, at 09:59 PM, Sean Leyland wrote:
>
>> Hello Listers,
>>
>> Found more from Fulton County History in a chapter entitled "Family
>> Sketches" which answers many questions and raises others !
>>
>> "Chant, Ralph R, Johnstone was born in Milborne Port Somersetshire,
>> England, August 11th 1858, and came with his parents when he was but
>> fourteen years old, finishing his education in the academy. He
>> learned the glove trade from his step-father Charles Weare and is now
>> manufacturing gloves under the firm of Weare and Chant. On the 17th
>> day of July 1889 he married Anna M, second daughter of Stephen
>> Sutliff of Johnstone. They had one son James L R R , born on May 7th
>> 1890. Mr Chant's father James was born at the old home during 1809,
>> he married Harriet G Belben, bu whom he had two children, Ralp R as
>> above noted and George J S who is a glover with his brother. Mr Chant
>> died November 11th 1867, and is buried in the family plot in St
>> John's Graveyard, at their former home in England. On the 3rd
>> September 1871 Mrs Chant married Charles Weare, all now being of
>> Johnstone"
>>
>> Well what a find ! It fills a few gaps and wraps up the
>> story....however I was stunned by the only one son statement....no
>> mention of the future Attorney-General Raemond Chant. Was it an
>> error. It is clear that Raemond left the family home at an early age.
>> Maybe they were estranged ? I don't think there is any doubt that
>> Raemond was the son of Ralph R Chant....his WW1 Draft card says as
>> much.
>>
>> Further information on the brother James and Raemond from the 1930 US
>> census to follow.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Sean
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 30, 2006, at 05:55 PM, Sean Leyland wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hello Listers,
>>>
>>> Well it looks like I've managed to kill two birds with one stone
>>> here, solved where James Chant came from and also filled another gap
>>> in the Oborne family...or rather extended again that branch into the
>>> States. If this is old news to Oborne researchers please forgive my
>>> enthusiasm !
>>>
>>> The 1851 census at Milborne Port:
>>>
>>> Richard Chant aged 80, widower, pauper labourer born Oborne
>>> James Chant, son aged 41, ? maker born Milborne Port
>>>
>>> Richard must be son of Benjamin Chant and Martha Chapman, bap 29th
>>> Nov 1771 at Oborne. I have in my notes that was married to
>>> Elizabeth ? No date or maiden name, however I also have this
>>> marriage for Milborne Port: CHANT, Richard/PHILIPS, Hester Milborne
>>> Port13Oct1800. Is this him ? I also have a son Henry Chant for
>>> Richard and Elizabeth ? But no date or place of birth. Where there
>>> more children ?
>>>
>>> So it looks like the Oborne mob also extended itself to NY and in
>>> the shape of Raemond Chant into the shady realm of politics
>>>
>>> As for son James I have these additional details:
>>>
>>> Deaths Dec 1867
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Chant James 58 Wincanton 5c 328
>>>
>>> Marriages Jun 1858
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Belben Harriett Garrett Wincanton 5c 899
>>> Belbin Harriett Garrett Wincanton 5c 899
>>> Chant James Wincanton 5c 899
>>>
>>> Can anyone interested or involved in the Oborne family verify or
>>> refute what I have said.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Sean
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 30, 2006, at 04:23 PM, Sean Leyland wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello Listers,
>>>>
>>>> The Syracuse Herald dated 29th Nov 1936 ran an article about the
>>>> voting rights of the Senecca Indians. They were appealing to the
>>>> the Deputy Attorney-General Mr F Raemond Chant.
>>>>
>>>> This gives a little more information regarding his political career.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Sean
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, May 30, 2006, at 03:31 PM, Sean Leyland wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello Listers,
>>>>>
>>>>> The History of Fulton County, NY states:
>>>>>
>>>>> Pg 299
>>>>>
>>>>> "In January 1887 Weare associated himself with with Mr Ralph R
>>>>> Chant, forming the company of Weare and Chant. They employed
>>>>> together about 25 to 30 workers and made 3,000 dozen pairs of
>>>>> gloves in 1891. Their line included mochas, fine kid and genuine
>>>>> dog-skin gloves"
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Sean
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, May 30, 2006, at 03:16 PM, Sean Leyland wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello Listers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is Ralph and brother George's original immigration
details
>>>>>> to the USA:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> New York Passenger Lists Record
>>>>>> Name: Ralph Chant
>>>>>> Arrival Date: 24 Feb 1873
>>>>>> Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
>>>>>> Age: 14
>>>>>> Gender: Male
>>>>>> Port of Departure: Bristol, England
>>>>>> Destination: United States of America
>>>>>> Place of Origin: England
>>>>>> Ship Name: Great Western
>>>>>> Port of Arrival: New York
>>>>>> Line: 8
>>>>>> Microfilm Serial: M237
>>>>>> Microfilm Roll: 372
>>>>>> List Number: 138
>>>>>> Port Arrival State: New York
>>>>>> Port Arrival Country: United States
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sean
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, May 30, 2006, at 03:14 PM, Sean Leyland wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello Listers,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Interestingly I came across an immigration entry for Ralph R
>>>>>>> Chant during 1883 aged 24 into NYC. He must have had a brief
>>>>>>> trip back home to England as he is listed on the 1880 US
census
>>>>>>> aged 21 at Fulton, NY with his mother and brother and
>>>>>>> step-father.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sean
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, May 30, 2006, at 03:09 PM, Sean Leyland wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello Listers,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Found Ralph R Chant and family on the 1871 census at
Milborne
>>>>>>>> Port. His father James had died between 1861 and 1871.
His
>>>>>>>> mother Harriet is listed as widowed. Ralph aged 12 and
brother
>>>>>>>> George aged 10. No other siblings. The Buckland Newton
>>>>>>>> connection is a mystery at present.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Very interestingly, next door was another widower,
Charles
>>>>>>>> Weare aged 54 born Temple Coombe, working as a glove
cutter. So
>>>>>>>> it seems that Charles and Harriet were next dor
neighbours
>>>>>>>> before they were married.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No another interesting point is Charles's own son on
the 1871,
>>>>>>>> Frederick R Weare aged 17 born Milborne Port. Given his
name on
>>>>>>>> wonders if Ralph's own son was named after his
step-brother ?
>>>>>>>> Speculation at this point.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sean
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, May 30, 2006, at 02:57 PM, Sean Leyland
wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hello Listers,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> F Raemond Chant (yes that is how it is spelt) WW1
Draft card
>>>>>>>>> indicates tat his father Ralph R Chant was born in
Milborne
>>>>>>>>> Port as opposed to Buckland Newton.......despite the
1861
>>>>>>>>> census clearly indicating otherwise. On wonders if
Raemind's
>>>>>>>>> grandfather, James Chant had been born in Milborne
Port. Any
>>>>>>>>> ideas ? According to the 1861 census James was born
c. 1808.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A few details about Raemond from his WW1 draft card:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Born Dec 5th 1896 Johnstone City, Fulton Co. NY
>>>>>>>>> Occupation in 1917: Wright-Martin Airplane Company,
New
>>>>>>>>> Brunswick, NJ
>>>>>>>>> Blue eyes and black hair.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Interesting job for the times, especially given the
fact the
>>>>>>>>> name is Wright. Does anyone know if there is a
connection with
>>>>>>>>> the famous Wright Brothers ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Raemond was not involved in the Airplane game for ong
as on
>>>>>>>>> the 1920 US census he is:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Queens, NYC:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Aged 23 working as a salesman for the United Cigar
Store,
>>>>>>>>> living with his 26 yr old cousin Tracy Tutliff
(male).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sean
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, May 30, 2006, at 02:01 PM, Sean Leyland
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hello Listers,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It would seem as if Raymond below was Frederick
Raymond Chant
>>>>>>>>>> born c. 1896/97 son of Ralph Chant of Buckland
Newton, Dorset.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On the 1900 US census:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Fulton County, NY
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ralph R Chant born 1858, born England, glove
manufacturer
>>>>>>>>>> Hannah Chant born 1865, born NY
>>>>>>>>>> James LR Chant born 1890 NY
>>>>>>>>>> Frederick R Chant born 1896 NY
>>>>>>>>>> Harriet Chant born 1897 NY
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On the 1861 census of England:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Buckland Newton, Dorset
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> James Chant aged 53 ? winder born Buckland
Newton
>>>>>>>>>> Harriet Chant aged 29 born Buckland Newton
>>>>>>>>>> Ralph R Chant aged aged 2 born BN
>>>>>>>>>> George Chant aged 7 months ? born BN
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The 1900 US census suggests that Ralph migrated
to the US
>>>>>>>>>> during 1870.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> He is listed on the 1880 census:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Charles
WEARE Self M Male W 64 ENG Glove Manufacturer
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> E
>>>>>>>>>> NG
>>>>>>>>>> ENG
>>>>>>>>>> Harriet
WEARE Wife M Female W 48 ENG Keeping House
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> E
>>>>>>>>>> NG
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ENG
>>>>>>>>>> Ralph CHANT SSon S Male W 21 ENG
>>>>>>>>>> Glove Cutter ENG ENG
>>>>>>>>>> George
CHANT SSon S Male W 18 ENG Glove Cutter
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> E
>>>>>>>>>> NG
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> E
>>>>>>>>>> NG
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Census Place District 1, Johnstown, Fulton, New
York
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Looks as though Harriet had remarried to Charles
Weare. Did
>>>>>>>>>> her first husband James died before after the
move to USA ?
>>>>>>>>>> Looks as though Ralph continued his
stepfather's business.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> More to do on this family.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sean
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, May 30, 2006, at 12:37 PM, Sean
Leyland wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Listers,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Came across these interesting entries in a
page for deceased
>>>>>>>>>>> US politicians. I have'nt followed them
up as yet as regards
>>>>>>>>>>> their origins. Anyone have ideas of these two
?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Chant, F. Raymond — of Bemus Point,
Chautauqua County, N.Y.
>>>>>>>>>>> Democrat. Alternate delegate to Democratic
National
>>>>>>>>>>> Convention from New York, 1932. Presumed
deceased. Burial
>>>>>>>>>>> location unknown.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Chant, George — of Illinois. Socialist.
Candidate for U.S.
>>>>>>>>>>> Representative from Illinois 11th District,
1924. Presumed
>>>>>>>>>>> deceased. Burial location unknown.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sean
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>
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>
>
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