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Sorry it has taken me so long to answer.� I had my hard drive
reformatted and got rid of Windows 98 to go back to Windows 95.� I have
never seen definite proof that this Isaac, son of John is the same Isaac
but finding them in Fayette Co. PA intermarrying with what might be the
same Morrison family could be a good indication this is the same Isaac.�
Now I need to trace the Dickerson family of Muskingum Co., Ohio. to see
if that is the same Whitten/Dickerson family of Coshoc. Co. Ohio.� the
Musk. Dickerson/Dickinson family intermarried with our Beatty family.�
Donna
Subject:
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Donna;
On 2/18/99 you mentioned Isaac and his wife Nancy Morrison Cecil were in
Fayette Co Pa in 1790 and then posted " Descendants of John Cecil"� I
can't
find either of these fellows in my FTW which you and the others on this
list
have so beautifully filled out.� Could you please give some background
or
connections for them?
�Ten months ago I knew only that my husband [Richard Cecil] descended
from
John and Elizabeth Sollers Cecil .� The information posted here has gone
from "eye-opening" to "eye-popping" in some cases and is immensely
entertaining, as well as enlightening.�� Thanks all!!
Steph Powell Cecil stephaxi(a)mindspring.com
�
Descendants of John Cecil
�
Generation No. 1
�1.� John3 Cecil� (Phillip2, William1) was born Abt. 1721 in Prince
George co. Maryland, and died Abt. 1778 in Maryland.� He married Unknown
Brightwell Wilson.
Notes for John Cecil:
1776 Maryland Census
Prince George Co.
Cissel, John 55
Susanna 20
Dau. 17
dau 14
More About John Cecil:
military: Prvt. in Colonial Militia
�
Children of John Cecil and Unknown Wilson are:
�2 i. John4 Cecil.
+ 3 ii. Isaac Cecil, born Abt. 1755 in Maryland; died Abt. 1810 in
Fayette co. Pennsylvania.
�4 iii. Mary Ann Cecil.
+ 5 iv. Eleanor Cecil, born Bet. 1760 - 1769 in Prince George co.
Maryland.
�6 v. Susannah Cecil, born Abt. 1756.� She married Clement Wilson 05
September 1778 in Prince George co. Maryland.
�7 vi. Elizabeth Cecil, born Abt. 1759.
�8 vii. Lucy Cecil, born Bet. 1762 - 1763.� She married Anthony Thomas
31 January 1782 in Prince George co. Maryland.
�
Generation No. 2
�3.� Isaac4 Cecil (John3, Phillip2, William1) was born Abt. 1755 in
Maryland, and died Abt. 1810 in Fayette co. Pennsylvania.� He married
Nancy Morrison.
Notes for Isaac Cecil:
Notes
2HISTORY OF MARSHALL COUNTY, WEST VIRGINIA 2
CECIL FAMILY HISTORY pg. 115
The Cecils are generally believed to have come to West Virginia from
Maryland, originally from England.
One of� these early residents was Captain William H. Cecil, a boat
builder,
who learned his trade in Western Europe� before coming to Moundsville
soon
after 1830, via Maryland and Wheeling.� At 14th and Water Street, he and
two
Mason brothers, Sam and Henry, built boats for the Ohio and Mississippi
river trade.� These boats when completed were towed to Wheeling, where
steam
engines were installed.� At 15th and Water Street he built a large brick
home where his family resided for many years.� This house was regarded
as
one of the oldest homes in Moundsville until it was demolished during
the
summer of� 1979.
Captain Cecil and� his wife,� Mary Fish,� had at least three daughters.�
Two
of them, Nancy and Mary,� married his business partners, Sam and Henry
Mason.� The other, Emily Virginia married Richard Keane Cresap.� Another
early settler was Capt. Cecil's brother, Robert Morrison, born 1793, and
his
wife, Mary Eveline Monteith.� They settled on some 500 acres of land in
the
area now known as Cecil and Nixon Ridges.� According to the records,
Robert
was a county� road supervisor during 1836.
Part of his original 500 acres is still owned by some of his
descendants.
Another small section is a family cemetery on Cecil Ridge, which was
featured in the November 1964 DAR Magazine.� Robert's wife was the first
one
buried in this cemetery.� He is also buried there.� Robert and Eveline
had
five children:� William, Isaac, Mary,� Nancy and Robert Morrison.�
William,
born in 1826, married Hannah Fish and was called "Squire".� Records show
that he was a Justice of the Peace.� They lived on a large farm on Nixon
Ridge.
William and Hannah had three children, Jeremiah, Elizabeth and Nancy.�
Nancy
married Jehu Hood.� Their children were Charles, William C. and Roy.
Elizabeth married Dudley Yoho.� They had five children, Robert, Elmer,
Carl,
Arthur and Mona.� Robert "Bob" was a prominent county surveyor of lands
in
the early 1900's.� He surveyed the present Route 2, south of
Moundsville,
which was completed in July 1936.� He was also a veteran of the Spanish
American War.
A story has been handed down about their daughter, Elizabeth, that
happened
during the Civil War, when she was about eight years old.� She was
playing
in the yard, sewing some scrap materials together, which resembled a
Confederate flag.� Some Union soldiers happened along and questioned her
mother closely about the family sympathies.� Hannah managed to convince
them
it was innocent child's play.� Jeremiah (1847-1933) married Orlena Nixon
(1852-1901) whose family had settled in� the same area and at about the
same
time as the Cecils.� Jeremiah and Orlena� had three sons, Frank,
Benjamin
and Wiley, as well as one daughter, Mary Evelyn Cecil, (1891-1979), who
married Earl Arthur Kelley, a great grandson of John Kelley, who settled
in
Marshall County at about the same time as the Cecils.� Mary was my
grandmother.� Mary and Earl moved to Huntington, W.Va. in 1920.� They
had
two daughters, Mary Velma, born 1919, and Ruth Evelyn in 1920.� Both
were
born in Marshall County.
Ruth married Douglas Maynard of Wayne County.� They had two children,
Garen Douglas born in 1950, and myself, Donna, born in 1954.� I am the
great-great-great granddaughter of Robert and Eveline Cecil who came to
Marshall County more than 150 years ago.� Submitted by-Donna Kay Maynard
�
s
HISTORY OF MARSHALL COUNTY WEST VIRGINIA
�
ROBERT CECIL FAMILY�� page 115
�
�A family of Cecils came from England in the 1770's to the Colony of
Maryland.� They later settled near Brownsville, Westmoreland County,
Pennsylvania at the beginning of the Revolutionary War.
�Two of the brothers John and Isaac enlisted in the Continental army.
John was wounded and captured at the battle of White Plains.� He died on
a prison ship near New York City.
�After the war Isaac returned to Brownsville and married Nancy
Morrison.� They had five children.� One son, Robert,� born 1794 was a
veteran of the War of 1812, having marched to Baltimore with the
Brownsville group.
�Robert married Mary Monteethe and by boat they and their possessions
came down the river to Round Bottom below Moundsville on March 16,
1817.� They later purchased a tract of land near the head waters of
Tribble Run (Cecil and Nixon Ridge).
�They were the parents of five children, William, Morrison, Isaac, Nancy
McCain, Hester Dobbs.� Morrison was my great grandfather.
�Morrison by two marriages, Millison J. Manning and Mary Wade had seven
children.� Lovina Hull went west to Kansas, George, Leah Holmes, Milison
Snedeker, John, Henry, and Mason our grandfather.
�Mason married Elizabeth Games.� They bought a farm in Fallen Timber
Land and there they raised three sons, Sam, John, George, one daughter
Maude Freeland.� Two girls, ages two and four died with diphtheria.
Their names were Austia and Ceclia.
�They lived on this farm until Mason died, at the early age of
fifty-six.� My father George, then sixteen,� took over the farm with the
help of his mother.� He married Mary Needs from Raccoon, Pa. in 1922.
Together they raised five children.
�I, May married Clifford White in 1945.� We have three daughters.� Linda
married to Don Watson, lives at Fairmont.� Della, married to Jim Guzek,
has two children, Tim and Marcia.� Vicki, married to Terry Winland, has
one son Logan.
�I worked at Louis Marx for fifteen years and then went to the U.S.
Stamping until they closed down in 1978.
�My brother, George T., was killed in Korea in 1951.� Vaidney Gary
Mussili passed away in 1978.� Three children:� Charles, Edward (one son
Josh);� daughter Mary (Angie, Lisa, and Jason).� Della Crawford lives in
Grove City, Ohio has one daughter, Kim.
�William, the youngest, is married to Connie Murphy.� They have three
children:� Rachel, Greg and John.� He works at the Kammer Plant and
lives at 1616 Second Street.
�My dad (they called him Beeler) went 11 terms to the old school in the
spot where they built the one that we kids attended.� They have since
discontinued school there and it is a fire dept.� The kids are bussed
elsewhere.
�On long winter nights we used to sit around the fire and our dad would
recite from the McGuffey Reader.� He never forgot what he learned in
school.� One particular recitation was called, "The Pretty Chicken" from
the third reader.� It was his favorite and ours, too.� He taught us so
much.� Submitted by-Mrs. May E. White
�
�
�
�
�
More About Isaac Cecil:
military: 13th Va. Reg., 9th Va. Reg.,
resided: Brownsville, Westmoreland co. Pa. aft. Rev. War.� Faye. co. Pa.
1800.
will probate: 09 February 1810, Recorded Fayette co. Penn.
�
Children of Isaac Cecil and Nancy Morrison are:
�9 i. John5 Cecil, born Abt. 1788 in Pennsylvania; died 23 April 1857 in
Pleasants co. West Virginia1.� He married Esther Coe.
More About John Cecil:
miscellaneous: 23 April 1857, age at death:� 69ys. 7 ms.
�10 ii. Elizabeth Cecil, born 1790 in Pennsylvania; died 01 June 1867 in
Cameron, Marshall co. West Virginia.� She married John Wesley Chambers
Abt. 1810.
More About Elizabeth Cecil:
cemetery: Chambers Field Plot, Marshall co. W. Va.
miscellaneous: Cemetery on Ward Antill farm Marsh. co. W. Va. was Ohio
co. w. va.
More About John Wesley Chambers:
cemetery: Chambers Field Plot, Marshall co. W. Va.
�11 iii. Robert Morrison Cecil, born Bet. 1792 - 1793 in Pennsylvania;
died 04 October 1874 in Marshall co. West Virginia2.� He married Mary
Manteith.
Notes for Robert Morrison Cecil:
County history states he came by boat from Westmoreland co. Pennsylvania
to "Round Bottom" below Moundsville 16March 1817.� He purchased land at
Cecil and Nixon Ridge.
More About Robert Morrison Cecil:
cemetery: Cecil Cem. Marshall co. West Virginia
military: Vet of War of 1812
More About Mary Manteith:
cemetery: Cecil cem. Marshall co. West Virginia
miscellaneous: Mary's was the first burial in Cecil Cemetery.
�12 iv. William H. Cecil, born Abt. 1794 in Pennsylvania; died Aft.
1880.� He married Mary Fish.
More About William H. Cecil:
miscellaneous: Missing at least four dau. from census.
�13 v. Isaac Cecil, born 16 April 1807 in Pennsylvania; died 15 July
1871 in Putnam co. Illinois.� He married (1) Olive Pricket 16 April 1835
in Putnam co. Illinois.� He married (2) Amanda Zenos 20 November 1842 in
Putnam co. Illinois.
More About Isaac Cecil:
miscellaneous: Eight children-four died in infancy.
More About Olive Pricket:
miscellaneous: Killed by lightning Hennepin, Illinois.
�5.� Eleanor4 Cecil (John3, Phillip2, William1) was born Bet. 1760 -
1769 in Prince George co. Maryland.� She married John Dent 08 April 1787
in Prince George co. Maryland.
�
Children of Eleanor Cecil and John Dent are:
�14 i. Arasmus5 Dent.
�15 ii. John Dent, born in MIGRATED to OHIO after 1821!!!!!!!!!CHECK!.
�16 iii. Richard Dent, died 16 July 1821 in Baltimore co. Md.� He
married Maria ??.
�17 iv. James Dent.
�18 v. Elizabeth Marie Dent.
�19 vi. Walter Dent.
�
Endnotes
1.� Death record Pleasants co. W. Va.
2.� Marshall co. West Virginia Death Record
�
�
�
�
�
�
There is no proof to the father, and I may have two John Baptist Cissell's
mixed up. Matthew was the first born son of what I have as the 2nd marriage.
Why do you think that particular William died in Daviess Co, IN? I thought a
different branch went to IN. I have not had time to focus on the John
Baptist Cissell issue. None of the researcher's who have written books have
been able to document the parentage. It's not Donna Van Zandt's line or it
might be nailed by now. :)
Melissa
-----Original Message-----
From: Terry Barton [mailto:claw@edge.net]
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 1999 9:18 AM
To: mada(a)cmc.net
Subject: william cissell aug.10,1767
william cissell b. aug. 10, 1767 should read died daviess co., Ind. or
Martin Co., Indiana. These two counties are next to each other. I dont
believe William died in ky. ?
General Question: Why do you believe John Babtist Cissell's father was
william...Mary McCulley supports the theory that it was Matthew. There is
much speculation on this subject. I would like to get the facts. Know he
ties into the Md. family but just where?
Claw(a)edge.net connie
From: Don & Melissa Alexander <mada(a)cmc.net>
Mary French who married Robert Thompson 2nd married Thomas Cissell (and 3rd
Charles Daft.) This Mary French, b c 1670, and died 21 Aug 1724, was the
daughter of the immigrant James French of Galway, Ireland French's. (In
1671, at the age of 21, James French had his passage from Galway, Ireland,
where his French family was much distinguished, long the Mayors of Galway.
They originated with a Norman family and immigrated to Ireland before 1400
as per Joseph French of Louisville as per letter to Paula Russell,
prussell(a)centuryinter.net.) He married Elizabeth Meekin, d/of William
Meekin and Elizabeth Beard. I do not show an Elizabeth Carberry married to
a James French. Mary was a common name for the Frech family. Mary had 2
brothers, Martin and Francis. I do not have all of their children, but one
of them probably would have named a son James after their father.
Melissa
-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Jones [mailto:rjones@charweb.org]
Sent: Monday, February 22, 1999 7:42 PM
To: CECIL-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Thomas Cissell and Ann Carberry (fwd)
From: Paul and Dorothy Tobler <tobler(a)hctc.net>
There are a couple of things here that are puzzling.
In one place you state Mary French daughter of James French and Elizabeth
Meekin(s) while in another you have Thomas Cissell who md Mary French widow
of Robert Thompson.
-------------
Elizabeth Carberry was mother and James French father is what I have of
Mary French.
===============
Meekin(s) is very common and strong family name in Cecil Co., MD for long
time
however.
---------------
Boy am I confused or what? Paul
--------------
Now if you want a picture for your scrapbooks of Basil Hayden (the leader of
Roman Catholics from MD to KY and 1st Catholic Church in KY built on his
land)
Picture is on "Old Grand-dad" whiskey bottle.
================================
At 11:51 AM 2/21/99 -0500, you wrote:
>From: Don & Melissa Alexander <mada(a)cmc.net>
>
>Penny
>There are two Thomas Cissell's during this time frame. Thomas who married
>Ann Carberry and his uncle Thomas who married Mary French. Her is what I
>show (note John Baptist Carberry, father of Ann and also the name of her
>brother.) It was the uncle Thomas, who was not the son of John and Mary
>Shercliffe but of Ann Calvert, who had 50 A of White Acre, et al and first
>married Frances Joyner. He could not have been the Thomas Cissell who died
>Nov 1724 (Will was dated 30 Apr 1724 and probated 24 Aug 1724, by John Low,
>Thomas Oglsby, Jude Caven, and William Banister.) leaving as next of kin
>William and John Sissell.
>
> 1 Thomas CISSELL (son of John Cissell and ? Browne, grandson of John
>Baptist Cissell and Mary Calvert) b: 1688 in Newtown Hundred, St. Mary's
>Co., MD d: Bet. 3-Apr - 4-Aug-1756 in SMC, MD Fact 1: planter
>occupation: planter religion: Catholic
>.. +Ann CARBERRY b: Bet. 1690 - 1695 m: Abt. 1705 Father: John Baptist
>Carberry Mother: Elizabeth Guibert
> 2 James CISSELL b: Bet. 1706 - 1710 d: Bef. 1724 in St. Mary's Co, MD
> 2 John CISSELL b: Bet. 1705 - 1723 in St. Mary's Co, MD d: Bef.
>21-May-1747 in St. Mary's Co, MD
>.... +Sarah UNKNOWN m: Abt. 1739
>. 3 John CISSELL b: 1739
>. 3 Thomas CISSELL b: 1738
>. 3 Ann CISSELL b: 1741
>It was the uncle of this Thomas Cissell, also a Cissell, who married Mary
>French, widow of Robert Thompson.
>
>Descendants of Thomas Cissell
>Generation No. 1
>
> 1. Thomas21 Cissell (John Baptist20, Thomas19 Cecil, Thomas18,
William17,
>Richard16, David15, Richard14 Cyssel, Phillip13, Richard12, Thomas11,
>John10, John9, John8, Robert7, Gerald6, Baldwin5, Eustice4, John3, James2,
>Robert1) was born Abt. 1664 in Newtown Hund. St. Mary's Co, MD (Source:
>Elise Greenup Jourdan, "Early Families of Southern Maryland", Volume 1,
1992
>disputes this place of birth. says he was transported in Dec 1 1676), and
>died Bef. 28-Mar-1701 in St. Mary's Co, MD (Source: Sister Mary Louise
>Donnelley, Elise Jourdan Greenup has d c 1722 or c 1724). He married (1)
>Frances Joyner. He married (2) Mary French Abt. 1698, daughter of James
>French and Elizabeth Meekin.
>
>Notes for Thomas Cissell:
>Information comes from "The Cecil Family of Maryland" by Walter V. Ball
>929.273 C322b.
>
>Thomas is mentioned in the will of his father, John Cissell, dated 28 April
>1694.
>
>Thomas' will mentions only his son John and brother James. He does refer
to
>a
>wife but does not give her name. Copy of will in file. Liber PC 1 pg
>289-290
>(FHL 14424).
>
>In Mary Louise Donnelly's book "Colonial Settler's, St. Clements Bay"
>Thomas' will is said to have been written 10/18/1700 an it was probated on
>3/28/1701 (11:68). He willed all of his land "to the Child my wife goes
>with" to the said child and the heirs of its body lawfully begotten." His
>land had been"White Acre" which he had received from his father. If the
>child to be born died, his land was to go to Betty Thompson his
stepdaughter
>(called daughter in law in record).. Thomas also left legacy to his other
>step children from Mary French Thompson's first marriage to Robert; they
>were George and James. James French was named as his overseer of the will.
>On 5/21/1702 his widow, Mrs. Mary Cissell, administered his estate, valued
>at l56.19.10 (inv. 20:109). James French acted as one of the approvers of
>the estate-next of kin (acct 21:367). Mrs. Mary Cissell the widow of
Thomas
>married thirdly Charles Daft.
>alt. death 1724?
>
>Elise Greenup Jourdan claims that this Thomas was transported into MD as an
>indentured servant of Jon. Stevenson.
>
>Children of Thomas Cissell and Frances Joyner are:
>+ 2 i. John22 Cissell, born 1690; died Bet. 31-May - 6-Jul-1743 in SMC, MD.
> 3 ii. James Cissell, born Bet. 1685 - 1701.
>
>Child of Thomas Cissell and Mary French is:
> 4 i. Adam22 Cissell, born 1701 in St. Mary's Co, MD. He married Betty
>Unknown.
>
>Notes for Adam Cissell:
>Adam received 100 acres of "Scotland" and his father's 50 acres of "White
>Acre"
>
>
>
>Generation No. 2
>
> 2. John22 Cissell (Thomas21, John Baptist20, Thomas19 Cecil, Thomas18,
>William17, Richard16, David15, Richard14 Cyssel, Phillip13, Richard12,
>Thomas11, John10, John9, John8, Robert7, Gerald6, Baldwin5, Eustice4,
John3,
>James2, Robert1) was born 1690 (Source: Elise Greenup Jourdan, "Early
>Families of Southern Maryland", Volume 1, 1992), and died Bet. 31-May -
>6-Jul-1743 in SMC, MD (Source: (1) Elise Greenup Jourdan, "Early Families
of
>Southern Maryland", Volume 1, 1992, (2) FTM Family Archives CD #206,
>Maryland Probate Records 1674-1774.). He married Sarah Van Reswick Bef.
>1712 in SMC, MD (Source: Elise Greenup Jourdan, "Early Families of Southern
>Maryland", Volume 1, 1992), daughter of Thomas Van Reswick and Unknown.
>
>Notes for Sarah Van Reswick:
>Sr. Donnelly's book on Beaverdam Manor. (provided by Shirley Platt,
>Plattshirl(a)aol.com) The "Beaverdam Manor" Lot #40 "Fertility" containing 95
>1/2 acres was leased on 3/25/1744 to SARAH CISSELL. According to the
>Calvert Papers on 3/21/1762 SARAH CECIL (CISSELL) was in possession of 100
>acres of "Beaverdam Manor". In 1768 this tract was in possession of JOHN
>CISSELL b. 1739, THOMAS CISSELL b. 1738 and ANN CISSELL b 1741. This is
>probably SARAH VAN RESWICK CISSELL, the widow of JOHN CISSELL(1) who was
>deceased prior to 5/31/1747. JOHN CISSELL's inventory was appraised on
>5/21/1747. According to the Debt Books SARAH CISSELL also had possession
of
>150 acres of "Part of Bailey's Rest".
>1) Children of John Cissell and Sarah Van Reswick:
>2) James Cissell-from Van Reswick records
>3) Thomas Cissell b 1738
>4) John Cissell b 1739
>5) Ann Cissell b 1741
>
>
>Children of John Cissell and Sarah Van Reswick are:
> 5 i. Thomas23 Cissell, born Abt. 1714 in SMC, MD (Source: Elise Greenup
>Jourdan, "Early Families of Southern Maryland", Volume 1, 1992); died 1756
>(Source: Elise Greenup Jourdan, "Early Families of Southern Maryland",
>Volume 1, 1992). He married Ann Unknown (Source: Barbara Fitzgerald
>bcf855(a)nwws.com.).
> 6 ii. John Baptist Cissell, born Abt. 1715.
> 7 iii. James Cissell, born Bet. 1715 - 1730; died Bet. 1746 - 1751
(Source:
>Pat via e-mail (iobrist(a)win.org)).
>
>Notes for James Cissell:
>He witnessed the will of Thomas Van Reswick, Sr. in 1750 and of John Bowles
>in 1752: he patented "Cissell's Venture" on 3/18/1746, next to the Van
>Reswick land.
>
>
> 8 iv. Mary Ann Cissell, born Abt. 1717; died Abt. 1759 in SMC, MD (Source:
>Elise Greenup Jourdan, "Early Families of Southern Maryland", Volume 1,
>1992). She married Thomas Van Reswick Aft. 1744.
>
>Notes for Thomas Van Reswick:
>Notes from Elise Jourdan Greenup (Ibid)-Thomas Sr. left the plantation he
>now lives on to son John, 12 acres of his part of White Acre; Thomas Jr.
got
>the plantation his father resided on after widow Ann dies. The mill also
>goes to both sons after death of Ann.
>
>Carberry family info:
>
>Ancestors of Ann Carberry
>
>
>Generation No. 1
>
> 1. Ann Carberry (Source: FTM Family Archives CD #206, Maryland Probate
>Records 1674-1774.), born Bet. 1690 - 1695. She was the daughter of 2.
John
>Baptist Carberry and 3. Elizabeth Guibert. She married (1) Thomas Cissell
>Abt. 1705. He was the son of John Cissell and Unknown Browne. She married
>(2) Thomas Van Reswick Aft. 24-Aug-1724 in SMC, MD. He was the son of John
>Van Reswick and Unknown. She married (3) James Thompson Abt. 1734 in St.
>Mary's Co, MD (Source: Donnelly, St. Clement's Bay..., op. cit. p. 242.).
>He was the son of James Thompson and Elizabeth French.
>
>Notes for Thomas Cissell:
>Thomas, planter, wrote his will on 4/30/1724 and it was probated in St.
>Mary's County on 8/24/1724 (18:300). To his son John Cissell he left his
>dwelling plantation on Beaverdam Run, 350 acres at Chaptico and 50 acres of
>"White Acres," and all his personal estate. He asked that his son give
>certain personalty to the children of his brother James, deceased, as they
>come of age, and to take care of his mother. On 11/16/1724 his son John
>administered his father's estate which amounted to L161.19.03. The next of
>kin on his inventory were William Cissell and Matthew Cissell (10:254).
>Anne, his widow, married secondly Thomas Van Reswick, who then had
>possession of Thomas Cissell's tracts.
>
>
>Children of Ann Carberry and Thomas Cissell are:
> i. James Cissell, born Bet. 1706 - 1710; died Bef. 1724 in St. Mary's Co,
>MD.
>
>Notes for James Cissell:
>died prior to 1724 and had a child
>
>
> ii. John Cissell, born Bet. 1705 - 1723 in St. Mary's Co, MD; died Bef.
>21-May-1747 in St. Mary's Co, MD; married Sarah Unknown Abt. 1739.
>
>Notes for John Cissell:
>Father left him mill on Beaverdam, 350 A at Chaptyco, 50 A "White Acres"
and
>personal estate. Also to give certain personality to children of brother
>James, dec'd, as they come of age.
>
>info from Sr. Donnelly's book on Beaverdam Manor supplied by Shirley Platt
>
>The "Beaverdam Manor" Lot #40 "Fertility" containing 95 1/2 acres was
leased
>on 3/25/1744 to SARAH CISSELL. According to the Calvert Papers on
3/21/1762
>SARAH CECIL (CISSELL) was in possession of 100 acres of "Beaverdam Manor".
>In 1768 this tract was in possession of JOHN CISSELL b. 1739, THOMAS
CISSELL
>b. 1738 and ANN CISSELL b 1741. This is probably SARAH VAN RESWICK
>CISSELL, the widow of JOHN CISSELL(1) who was deceased prior to 5/31/1747.
>JOHN CISSELL's inventory was appraised on 5/21/1747. According to the Debt
>Books SARAH CISSELL also had possession of 150 acres of "Part of BAiley's
>Rest".
>1) Children of John Cissell and Sarah Van Reswick:
>2) James Cissell-from Van Reswick records
>3) Thomas Cissell b 1738
>4) John Cissell b 1739
>5) Ann Cissell b 1741
>
>
>Children of Ann Carberry and Thomas Van Reswick are:
> i. Thomas Van Reswick, born Bet. 1724 - 1740; died Bef. 9-Mar-1762 in
SMC,
>MD; married Ann Wiseman.
> ii. John Baptist Van Reswick, born Bet. 1724 - 1742 in SMC, MD; died Bet.
>18-Nov-1766 - 5-Mar-1767 in SMC, MD (Source: FTM Family Archives CD #206,
>Maryland Probate Records 1674-1774.); married Appolonia Unknown.
> iii. Elizabeth Van Reswick, born Bet. 1724 - 1743; married Mark Norris.
> iv. Mary Van Reswick, born Bet. 1724 - 1744; married Henry Shercliffe.
> v. Monica Van Reswick, born Bet. 1724 - 1745.
> vi. Ann Van Reswick, born Bet. 1724 - 1746.
> vii. Eleanor Van Reswick, born Bet. 1724 - 1747.
> viii. Winifred Van Reswick, born Bet. 1724 - 1748.
>
>
>Generation No. 2
>
> 2. John Baptist Carberry, born Bet. 1650 - 1700; died Bef. 31-Aug-1731 in
>SMC, MD (Source: FTM Family Archives CD #206, Maryland Probate Records
>1674-1774.). He was the son of 4. John Baptist Carberry and 5. Elizabeth
>Barber. He married 3. Elizabeth Guibert.
> 3. Elizabeth Guibert, born Bet. 1660 - 1670. She was the daughter of 6.
>Joshua Guibert and 7. Elizabeth Barber.
>
>Children of John Carberry and Elizabeth Guibert are:
> 1 i. Ann Carberry, born Bet. 1690 - 1695; married (1) Thomas Cissell Abt.
>1705; married (2) Thomas Van Reswick Aft. 24-Aug-1724 in SMC, MD; married
>(3) James Thompson Abt. 1734 in St. Mary's Co, MD.
> ii. John Baptist Carberry (Source: FTM Family Archives CD #206, Maryland
>Probate Records 1674-1774.), born Bet. 1700 - 1729; died Bef. 17-Feb-1778;
>married Mary Thompson.
> iii. Eleanor Carberry (Source: FTM Family Archives CD #206, Maryland
>Probate Records 1674-1774.), born Bet. 1700 - 1729.
>
>
>Generation No. 3
>
> 4. John Baptist Carberry, born in Ireland. He married 5. Elizabeth
Barber
>in Ireland.
> 5. Elizabeth Barber.
>
>Children of John Carberry and Elizabeth Barber are:
> 2 i. John Baptist Carberry, born Bet. 1650 - 1700; died Bef. 31-Aug-1731
in
>SMC, MD; married Elizabeth Guibert.
> ii. Elizabeth Carberry, married (1) William Joseph; married (2) Nicholas
>Mills.
> iii. Susane Carberry.
>
> 6. Joshua Guibert, born 1645 in Rheims, France; died Bef. 16-May-1713 in
>SMC, MD. He married 7. Elizabeth Barber.
> 7. Elizabeth Barber. She was the daughter of 14. Luke Barber.
>
>Children of Joshua Guibert and Elizabeth Barber are:
> i. Luke Guibert, born Bet. 1660 - 1714.
> ii. Thomas Guibert, born Bet. 1660 - 1710; died Bef. 7-May-1729 in SMC,
MD
>(Source: Maryland Calendar of Wills, Vol 6); married Sarah Jordan.
> iii. Joshua Guibert, born Bet. 1660 - 1710; married (1) Anne Boarman;
>married (2) Jean Boarman.
> iv. Matthew Guibert, born Bet. 1660 - 1685; married (1) Julian Mudd Bet.
>1711 - 1724 (Source: Gerald D. Watkins (gdwatkins(a)mail.utexas.edu).);
>married (2) Elizabeth Newton Abt. 1741 (Source: Gerald D. Watkins
>(gdwatkins(a)mail.utexas.edu).).
> v. Mary Guibert, born Bet. 1660 - 1714.
> vi. Anne Guibert, born Bet. 1660 - 1700; married John Blackistone.
> 3 vii. Elizabeth Guibert, born Bet. 1660 - 1670; married (1) John Baptist
>Carberry; married (2) Thomas Turner.
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Mary French who married Robert Thompson 2nd married Thomas Cissell (and 3rd
Charles Daft.) This Mary French, b c 1670, and died 21 Aug 1724, was the
daughter of the immigrant James French of Galway, Ireland French's. (In
1671, at the age of 21, James French had his passage from Galway, Ireland,
where his French family was much distinguished, long the Mayors of Galway.
They originated with a Norman family and immigrated to Ireland before 1400
as per Joseph French of Louisville as per letter to Paula Russell,
prussell(a)centuryinter.net.) He married Elizabeth Meekin, d/of William
Meekin and Elizabeth Beard. I do not show an Elizabeth Carberry married to
a James French. Mary was a common name for the Frech family. Mary had 2
brothers, Martin and Francis. I do not have all of their children, but one
of them probably would have named a son James after their father.
Melissa
-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Jones [mailto:rjones@charweb.org]
Sent: Monday, February 22, 1999 7:42 PM
To: CECIL-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Thomas Cissell and Ann Carberry (fwd)
From: Paul and Dorothy Tobler <tobler(a)hctc.net>
There are a couple of things here that are puzzling.
In one place you state Mary French daughter of James French and Elizabeth
Meekin(s) while in another you have Thomas Cissell who md Mary French widow
of Robert Thompson.
-------------
Elizabeth Carberry was mother and James French father is what I have of
Mary French.
===============
Meekin(s) is very common and strong family name in Cecil Co., MD for long
time
however.
---------------
Boy am I confused or what? Paul
--------------
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Roman Catholics from MD to KY and 1st Catholic Church in KY built on his
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At 11:51 AM 2/21/99 -0500, you wrote:
>From: Don & Melissa Alexander <mada(a)cmc.net>
>
>Penny
>There are two Thomas Cissell's during this time frame. Thomas who married
>Ann Carberry and his uncle Thomas who married Mary French. Her is what I
>show (note John Baptist Carberry, father of Ann and also the name of her
>brother.) It was the uncle Thomas, who was not the son of John and Mary
>Shercliffe but of Ann Calvert, who had 50 A of White Acre, et al and first
>married Frances Joyner. He could not have been the Thomas Cissell who died
>Nov 1724 (Will was dated 30 Apr 1724 and probated 24 Aug 1724, by John Low,
>Thomas Oglsby, Jude Caven, and William Banister.) leaving as next of kin
>William and John Sissell.
>
> 1 Thomas CISSELL (son of John Cissell and ? Browne, grandson of John
>Baptist Cissell and Mary Calvert) b: 1688 in Newtown Hundred, St. Mary's
>Co., MD d: Bet. 3-Apr - 4-Aug-1756 in SMC, MD Fact 1: planter
>occupation: planter religion: Catholic
>.. +Ann CARBERRY b: Bet. 1690 - 1695 m: Abt. 1705 Father: John Baptist
>Carberry Mother: Elizabeth Guibert
> 2 James CISSELL b: Bet. 1706 - 1710 d: Bef. 1724 in St. Mary's Co, MD
> 2 John CISSELL b: Bet. 1705 - 1723 in St. Mary's Co, MD d: Bef.
>21-May-1747 in St. Mary's Co, MD
>.... +Sarah UNKNOWN m: Abt. 1739
>. 3 John CISSELL b: 1739
>. 3 Thomas CISSELL b: 1738
>. 3 Ann CISSELL b: 1741
>It was the uncle of this Thomas Cissell, also a Cissell, who married Mary
>French, widow of Robert Thompson.
>
>Descendants of Thomas Cissell
>Generation No. 1
>
> 1. Thomas21 Cissell (John Baptist20, Thomas19 Cecil, Thomas18,
William17,
>Richard16, David15, Richard14 Cyssel, Phillip13, Richard12, Thomas11,
>John10, John9, John8, Robert7, Gerald6, Baldwin5, Eustice4, John3, James2,
>Robert1) was born Abt. 1664 in Newtown Hund. St. Mary's Co, MD (Source:
>Elise Greenup Jourdan, "Early Families of Southern Maryland", Volume 1,
1992
>disputes this place of birth. says he was transported in Dec 1 1676), and
>died Bef. 28-Mar-1701 in St. Mary's Co, MD (Source: Sister Mary Louise
>Donnelley, Elise Jourdan Greenup has d c 1722 or c 1724). He married (1)
>Frances Joyner. He married (2) Mary French Abt. 1698, daughter of James
>French and Elizabeth Meekin.
>
>Notes for Thomas Cissell:
>Information comes from "The Cecil Family of Maryland" by Walter V. Ball
>929.273 C322b.
>
>Thomas is mentioned in the will of his father, John Cissell, dated 28 April
>1694.
>
>Thomas' will mentions only his son John and brother James. He does refer
to
>a
>wife but does not give her name. Copy of will in file. Liber PC 1 pg
>289-290
>(FHL 14424).
>
>In Mary Louise Donnelly's book "Colonial Settler's, St. Clements Bay"
>Thomas' will is said to have been written 10/18/1700 an it was probated on
>3/28/1701 (11:68). He willed all of his land "to the Child my wife goes
>with" to the said child and the heirs of its body lawfully begotten." His
>land had been"White Acre" which he had received from his father. If the
>child to be born died, his land was to go to Betty Thompson his
stepdaughter
>(called daughter in law in record).. Thomas also left legacy to his other
>step children from Mary French Thompson's first marriage to Robert; they
>were George and James. James French was named as his overseer of the will.
>On 5/21/1702 his widow, Mrs. Mary Cissell, administered his estate, valued
>at l56.19.10 (inv. 20:109). James French acted as one of the approvers of
>the estate-next of kin (acct 21:367). Mrs. Mary Cissell the widow of
Thomas
>married thirdly Charles Daft.
>alt. death 1724?
>
>Elise Greenup Jourdan claims that this Thomas was transported into MD as an
>indentured servant of Jon. Stevenson.
>
>Children of Thomas Cissell and Frances Joyner are:
>+ 2 i. John22 Cissell, born 1690; died Bet. 31-May - 6-Jul-1743 in SMC, MD.
> 3 ii. James Cissell, born Bet. 1685 - 1701.
>
>Child of Thomas Cissell and Mary French is:
> 4 i. Adam22 Cissell, born 1701 in St. Mary's Co, MD. He married Betty
>Unknown.
>
>Notes for Adam Cissell:
>Adam received 100 acres of "Scotland" and his father's 50 acres of "White
>Acre"
>
>
>
>Generation No. 2
>
> 2. John22 Cissell (Thomas21, John Baptist20, Thomas19 Cecil, Thomas18,
>William17, Richard16, David15, Richard14 Cyssel, Phillip13, Richard12,
>Thomas11, John10, John9, John8, Robert7, Gerald6, Baldwin5, Eustice4,
John3,
>James2, Robert1) was born 1690 (Source: Elise Greenup Jourdan, "Early
>Families of Southern Maryland", Volume 1, 1992), and died Bet. 31-May -
>6-Jul-1743 in SMC, MD (Source: (1) Elise Greenup Jourdan, "Early Families
of
>Southern Maryland", Volume 1, 1992, (2) FTM Family Archives CD #206,
>Maryland Probate Records 1674-1774.). He married Sarah Van Reswick Bef.
>1712 in SMC, MD (Source: Elise Greenup Jourdan, "Early Families of Southern
>Maryland", Volume 1, 1992), daughter of Thomas Van Reswick and Unknown.
>
>Notes for Sarah Van Reswick:
>Sr. Donnelly's book on Beaverdam Manor. (provided by Shirley Platt,
>Plattshirl(a)aol.com) The "Beaverdam Manor" Lot #40 "Fertility" containing 95
>1/2 acres was leased on 3/25/1744 to SARAH CISSELL. According to the
>Calvert Papers on 3/21/1762 SARAH CECIL (CISSELL) was in possession of 100
>acres of "Beaverdam Manor". In 1768 this tract was in possession of JOHN
>CISSELL b. 1739, THOMAS CISSELL b. 1738 and ANN CISSELL b 1741. This is
>probably SARAH VAN RESWICK CISSELL, the widow of JOHN CISSELL(1) who was
>deceased prior to 5/31/1747. JOHN CISSELL's inventory was appraised on
>5/21/1747. According to the Debt Books SARAH CISSELL also had possession
of
>150 acres of "Part of Bailey's Rest".
>1) Children of John Cissell and Sarah Van Reswick:
>2) James Cissell-from Van Reswick records
>3) Thomas Cissell b 1738
>4) John Cissell b 1739
>5) Ann Cissell b 1741
>
>
>Children of John Cissell and Sarah Van Reswick are:
> 5 i. Thomas23 Cissell, born Abt. 1714 in SMC, MD (Source: Elise Greenup
>Jourdan, "Early Families of Southern Maryland", Volume 1, 1992); died 1756
>(Source: Elise Greenup Jourdan, "Early Families of Southern Maryland",
>Volume 1, 1992). He married Ann Unknown (Source: Barbara Fitzgerald
>bcf855(a)nwws.com.).
> 6 ii. John Baptist Cissell, born Abt. 1715.
> 7 iii. James Cissell, born Bet. 1715 - 1730; died Bet. 1746 - 1751
(Source:
>Pat via e-mail (iobrist(a)win.org)).
>
>Notes for James Cissell:
>He witnessed the will of Thomas Van Reswick, Sr. in 1750 and of John Bowles
>in 1752: he patented "Cissell's Venture" on 3/18/1746, next to the Van
>Reswick land.
>
>
> 8 iv. Mary Ann Cissell, born Abt. 1717; died Abt. 1759 in SMC, MD (Source:
>Elise Greenup Jourdan, "Early Families of Southern Maryland", Volume 1,
>1992). She married Thomas Van Reswick Aft. 1744.
>
>Notes for Thomas Van Reswick:
>Notes from Elise Jourdan Greenup (Ibid)-Thomas Sr. left the plantation he
>now lives on to son John, 12 acres of his part of White Acre; Thomas Jr.
got
>the plantation his father resided on after widow Ann dies. The mill also
>goes to both sons after death of Ann.
>
>Carberry family info:
>
>Ancestors of Ann Carberry
>
>
>Generation No. 1
>
> 1. Ann Carberry (Source: FTM Family Archives CD #206, Maryland Probate
>Records 1674-1774.), born Bet. 1690 - 1695. She was the daughter of 2.
John
>Baptist Carberry and 3. Elizabeth Guibert. She married (1) Thomas Cissell
>Abt. 1705. He was the son of John Cissell and Unknown Browne. She married
>(2) Thomas Van Reswick Aft. 24-Aug-1724 in SMC, MD. He was the son of John
>Van Reswick and Unknown. She married (3) James Thompson Abt. 1734 in St.
>Mary's Co, MD (Source: Donnelly, St. Clement's Bay..., op. cit. p. 242.).
>He was the son of James Thompson and Elizabeth French.
>
>Notes for Thomas Cissell:
>Thomas, planter, wrote his will on 4/30/1724 and it was probated in St.
>Mary's County on 8/24/1724 (18:300). To his son John Cissell he left his
>dwelling plantation on Beaverdam Run, 350 acres at Chaptico and 50 acres of
>"White Acres," and all his personal estate. He asked that his son give
>certain personalty to the children of his brother James, deceased, as they
>come of age, and to take care of his mother. On 11/16/1724 his son John
>administered his father's estate which amounted to L161.19.03. The next of
>kin on his inventory were William Cissell and Matthew Cissell (10:254).
>Anne, his widow, married secondly Thomas Van Reswick, who then had
>possession of Thomas Cissell's tracts.
>
>
>Children of Ann Carberry and Thomas Cissell are:
> i. James Cissell, born Bet. 1706 - 1710; died Bef. 1724 in St. Mary's Co,
>MD.
>
>Notes for James Cissell:
>died prior to 1724 and had a child
>
>
> ii. John Cissell, born Bet. 1705 - 1723 in St. Mary's Co, MD; died Bef.
>21-May-1747 in St. Mary's Co, MD; married Sarah Unknown Abt. 1739.
>
>Notes for John Cissell:
>Father left him mill on Beaverdam, 350 A at Chaptyco, 50 A "White Acres"
and
>personal estate. Also to give certain personality to children of brother
>James, dec'd, as they come of age.
>
>info from Sr. Donnelly's book on Beaverdam Manor supplied by Shirley Platt
>
>The "Beaverdam Manor" Lot #40 "Fertility" containing 95 1/2 acres was
leased
>on 3/25/1744 to SARAH CISSELL. According to the Calvert Papers on
3/21/1762
>SARAH CECIL (CISSELL) was in possession of 100 acres of "Beaverdam Manor".
>In 1768 this tract was in possession of JOHN CISSELL b. 1739, THOMAS
CISSELL
>b. 1738 and ANN CISSELL b 1741. This is probably SARAH VAN RESWICK
>CISSELL, the widow of JOHN CISSELL(1) who was deceased prior to 5/31/1747.
>JOHN CISSELL's inventory was appraised on 5/21/1747. According to the Debt
>Books SARAH CISSELL also had possession of 150 acres of "Part of BAiley's
>Rest".
>1) Children of John Cissell and Sarah Van Reswick:
>2) James Cissell-from Van Reswick records
>3) Thomas Cissell b 1738
>4) John Cissell b 1739
>5) Ann Cissell b 1741
>
>
>Children of Ann Carberry and Thomas Van Reswick are:
> i. Thomas Van Reswick, born Bet. 1724 - 1740; died Bef. 9-Mar-1762 in
SMC,
>MD; married Ann Wiseman.
> ii. John Baptist Van Reswick, born Bet. 1724 - 1742 in SMC, MD; died Bet.
>18-Nov-1766 - 5-Mar-1767 in SMC, MD (Source: FTM Family Archives CD #206,
>Maryland Probate Records 1674-1774.); married Appolonia Unknown.
> iii. Elizabeth Van Reswick, born Bet. 1724 - 1743; married Mark Norris.
> iv. Mary Van Reswick, born Bet. 1724 - 1744; married Henry Shercliffe.
> v. Monica Van Reswick, born Bet. 1724 - 1745.
> vi. Ann Van Reswick, born Bet. 1724 - 1746.
> vii. Eleanor Van Reswick, born Bet. 1724 - 1747.
> viii. Winifred Van Reswick, born Bet. 1724 - 1748.
>
>
>Generation No. 2
>
> 2. John Baptist Carberry, born Bet. 1650 - 1700; died Bef. 31-Aug-1731 in
>SMC, MD (Source: FTM Family Archives CD #206, Maryland Probate Records
>1674-1774.). He was the son of 4. John Baptist Carberry and 5. Elizabeth
>Barber. He married 3. Elizabeth Guibert.
> 3. Elizabeth Guibert, born Bet. 1660 - 1670. She was the daughter of 6.
>Joshua Guibert and 7. Elizabeth Barber.
>
>Children of John Carberry and Elizabeth Guibert are:
> 1 i. Ann Carberry, born Bet. 1690 - 1695; married (1) Thomas Cissell Abt.
>1705; married (2) Thomas Van Reswick Aft. 24-Aug-1724 in SMC, MD; married
>(3) James Thompson Abt. 1734 in St. Mary's Co, MD.
> ii. John Baptist Carberry (Source: FTM Family Archives CD #206, Maryland
>Probate Records 1674-1774.), born Bet. 1700 - 1729; died Bef. 17-Feb-1778;
>married Mary Thompson.
> iii. Eleanor Carberry (Source: FTM Family Archives CD #206, Maryland
>Probate Records 1674-1774.), born Bet. 1700 - 1729.
>
>
>Generation No. 3
>
> 4. John Baptist Carberry, born in Ireland. He married 5. Elizabeth
Barber
>in Ireland.
> 5. Elizabeth Barber.
>
>Children of John Carberry and Elizabeth Barber are:
> 2 i. John Baptist Carberry, born Bet. 1650 - 1700; died Bef. 31-Aug-1731
in
>SMC, MD; married Elizabeth Guibert.
> ii. Elizabeth Carberry, married (1) William Joseph; married (2) Nicholas
>Mills.
> iii. Susane Carberry.
>
> 6. Joshua Guibert, born 1645 in Rheims, France; died Bef. 16-May-1713 in
>SMC, MD. He married 7. Elizabeth Barber.
> 7. Elizabeth Barber. She was the daughter of 14. Luke Barber.
>
>Children of Joshua Guibert and Elizabeth Barber are:
> i. Luke Guibert, born Bet. 1660 - 1714.
> ii. Thomas Guibert, born Bet. 1660 - 1710; died Bef. 7-May-1729 in SMC,
MD
>(Source: Maryland Calendar of Wills, Vol 6); married Sarah Jordan.
> iii. Joshua Guibert, born Bet. 1660 - 1710; married (1) Anne Boarman;
>married (2) Jean Boarman.
> iv. Matthew Guibert, born Bet. 1660 - 1685; married (1) Julian Mudd Bet.
>1711 - 1724 (Source: Gerald D. Watkins (gdwatkins(a)mail.utexas.edu).);
>married (2) Elizabeth Newton Abt. 1741 (Source: Gerald D. Watkins
>(gdwatkins(a)mail.utexas.edu).).
> v. Mary Guibert, born Bet. 1660 - 1714.
> vi. Anne Guibert, born Bet. 1660 - 1700; married John Blackistone.
> 3 vii. Elizabeth Guibert, born Bet. 1660 - 1670; married (1) John Baptist
>Carberry; married (2) Thomas Turner.
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Another note of minor interest:
My Cecil line (from Benjamin Sollers and Priscilla Cecil's son Joseph) ended
up in Kingston, Madison County, Arkansas. A reserach note reminds me that
David Boydston, son of David and Caroline? Boydston of Tennessee was born Feb
15, 1813. I just had a scribbled note on one of my reserach books...darn,
must learn to reference all of these facts, no matter how insignificant they
seem at the time!
Penny
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It might be good if we all can compare hard data on Priscilla and Benjamin,
and then add our speculations.
I have copy of 1787 Personal Property Tax, Montgomery County. It lists
Benjamin Solace Cecil along with mother Rebecca, brothers James, Thomas,
Zachariah and John. On this page are also Ezekiel and Samuel Cloyd.
Records of the McCorkle's store (which I got from a secondary source, alas) in
Pulaski County, VA, list names from 1774 to beginning of Revolutionary War
which include Samuel Cecil, James Boydston, John Cecil and William Cecil.
Members of Captain Joseph Cloyd's Company sworn in 1777 include James
Boydstone, William Boydstone, Benj. Sol. Cecil, John Cecil, James Boydstone
Junr., Benjamin Prewit (bro in law to these folks?)
These comprise (for me) three very good reasons to accept that Priscilla
Cecil's maiden name was Boydstone, and that her father was probably James
Boydstone.
Now as to secondary info and a moderate amount of speculation:
Samuel Pruitt d., about 1760 in Montgomery Co, MD, married Elizabeth Hawker,
daughter of Robert Hawker and Amy Selby (does Selby ring a bell? It should.
The widow of one William Selby wed Joshua Cecil, who became stepfather to
Elizabeth Sollers' brother Robert some years before).
Samuel and Elizabeth Pruitt had children Samuel Jr., Priscilla (who wed
William Duval), Sarah (who wed David Boylstone ca 1723)), Patience (who wed
Thomas Boydston 1725), and William.
There is also a Mary Pruitt (or Prewitt) who wed James Boydston about 1742.
Some sources say that James was the son of David Boylstone.
Given the fact that families intermarried and that the population of Virginia
was fairly small, it is probable that Priscilla was the daughter of James
Boydston and a Prewitt daughter or grandaughter.
Another source (not original, alas) has cited the following:
James Boydston Sr was born Paisley Green, PA, child of David Boylstone and
Mahala Snow. Mahala died, and David wed as his second wife was Sarah Pruitt.
Somehow the family ended up in Rutherford County, NC where James Boydstone Jr
and Sr. appear in the 1790 census.
David Boylstone and second wife Sarah Pruitt had a son, William Boydstone, who
is the one appearing in Captain Cloyd's Revolutionary War regiment.
Apparently this William was drawing a pension in Cooke County, Tennessee as
late as 1835.
James Boydston Sr. is said to have married a Mary Pruitt...possibly a sister
or niece of his father's second wife?? He died near Russelville, Logan
County, Kentucky on Feb 6, 1814.
Just to confuse things--another informant sent the following:
Priscilla was the child of David Boylston Jr and Sarah Pruitt. David Jr. was
the son of David Boydstone and Mahala Snow, daughter of Jabez Snow and
Elizabeth Paine. Jabez was the son of Jabez Snow Sr., and Elizabeth
Treat...and this Jabez Sr. was born July 6, 1642, on the Mayflower. Hence the
"Mrs. Weaver" story.
"If seven maids with seven mops swept for half a year...do you suppose, the
walrus said, that they could get it clear?" Lewis Carroll
Just an added note: a 1781 Virginia Census lists Benjamin Boydston and
Presley Boydston on p. 1419....wish that I had written down the exact
reference!! More food for thought!
Penny
From: Paul and Dorothy Tobler <tobler(a)hctc.net>
There are a couple of things here that are puzzling.
In one place you state Mary French daughter of James French and Elizabeth
Meekin(s) while in another you have Thomas Cissell who md Mary French widow
of Robert Thompson.
-------------
Elizabeth Carberry was mother and James French father is what I have of
Mary French.
===============
Meekin(s) is very common and strong family name in Cecil Co., MD for long time
however.
---------------
Boy am I confused or what? Paul
--------------
Now if you want a picture for your scrapbooks of Basil Hayden (the leader of
Roman Catholics from MD to KY and 1st Catholic Church in KY built on his land)
Picture is on "Old Grand-dad" whiskey bottle.
================================
At 11:51 AM 2/21/99 -0500, you wrote:
>From: Don & Melissa Alexander <mada(a)cmc.net>
>
>Penny
>There are two Thomas Cissell's during this time frame. Thomas who married
>Ann Carberry and his uncle Thomas who married Mary French. Her is what I
>show (note John Baptist Carberry, father of Ann and also the name of her
>brother.) It was the uncle Thomas, who was not the son of John and Mary
>Shercliffe but of Ann Calvert, who had 50 A of White Acre, et al and first
>married Frances Joyner. He could not have been the Thomas Cissell who died
>Nov 1724 (Will was dated 30 Apr 1724 and probated 24 Aug 1724, by John Low,
>Thomas Oglsby, Jude Caven, and William Banister.) leaving as next of kin
>William and John Sissell.
>
> 1 Thomas CISSELL (son of John Cissell and ? Browne, grandson of John
>Baptist Cissell and Mary Calvert) b: 1688 in Newtown Hundred, St. Mary's
>Co., MD d: Bet. 3-Apr - 4-Aug-1756 in SMC, MD Fact 1: planter
>occupation: planter religion: Catholic
>.. +Ann CARBERRY b: Bet. 1690 - 1695 m: Abt. 1705 Father: John Baptist
>Carberry Mother: Elizabeth Guibert
> 2 James CISSELL b: Bet. 1706 - 1710 d: Bef. 1724 in St. Mary's Co, MD
> 2 John CISSELL b: Bet. 1705 - 1723 in St. Mary's Co, MD d: Bef.
>21-May-1747 in St. Mary's Co, MD
>.... +Sarah UNKNOWN m: Abt. 1739
>. 3 John CISSELL b: 1739
>. 3 Thomas CISSELL b: 1738
>. 3 Ann CISSELL b: 1741
>It was the uncle of this Thomas Cissell, also a Cissell, who married Mary
>French, widow of Robert Thompson.
>
>Descendants of Thomas Cissell
>Generation No. 1
>
> 1. Thomas21 Cissell (John Baptist20, Thomas19 Cecil, Thomas18, William17,
>Richard16, David15, Richard14 Cyssel, Phillip13, Richard12, Thomas11,
>John10, John9, John8, Robert7, Gerald6, Baldwin5, Eustice4, John3, James2,
>Robert1) was born Abt. 1664 in Newtown Hund. St. Mary's Co, MD (Source:
>Elise Greenup Jourdan, "Early Families of Southern Maryland", Volume 1, 1992
>disputes this place of birth. says he was transported in Dec 1 1676), and
>died Bef. 28-Mar-1701 in St. Mary's Co, MD (Source: Sister Mary Louise
>Donnelley, Elise Jourdan Greenup has d c 1722 or c 1724). He married (1)
>Frances Joyner. He married (2) Mary French Abt. 1698, daughter of James
>French and Elizabeth Meekin.
>
>Notes for Thomas Cissell:
>Information comes from "The Cecil Family of Maryland" by Walter V. Ball
>929.273 C322b.
>
>Thomas is mentioned in the will of his father, John Cissell, dated 28 April
>1694.
>
>Thomas' will mentions only his son John and brother James. He does refer to
>a
>wife but does not give her name. Copy of will in file. Liber PC 1 pg
>289-290
>(FHL 14424).
>
>In Mary Louise Donnelly's book "Colonial Settler's, St. Clements Bay"
>Thomas' will is said to have been written 10/18/1700 an it was probated on
>3/28/1701 (11:68). He willed all of his land "to the Child my wife goes
>with" to the said child and the heirs of its body lawfully begotten." His
>land had been"White Acre" which he had received from his father. If the
>child to be born died, his land was to go to Betty Thompson his stepdaughter
>(called daughter in law in record).. Thomas also left legacy to his other
>step children from Mary French Thompson's first marriage to Robert; they
>were George and James. James French was named as his overseer of the will.
>On 5/21/1702 his widow, Mrs. Mary Cissell, administered his estate, valued
>at l56.19.10 (inv. 20:109). James French acted as one of the approvers of
>the estate-next of kin (acct 21:367). Mrs. Mary Cissell the widow of Thomas
>married thirdly Charles Daft.
>alt. death 1724?
>
>Elise Greenup Jourdan claims that this Thomas was transported into MD as an
>indentured servant of Jon. Stevenson.
>
>Children of Thomas Cissell and Frances Joyner are:
>+ 2 i. John22 Cissell, born 1690; died Bet. 31-May - 6-Jul-1743 in SMC, MD.
> 3 ii. James Cissell, born Bet. 1685 - 1701.
>
>Child of Thomas Cissell and Mary French is:
> 4 i. Adam22 Cissell, born 1701 in St. Mary's Co, MD. He married Betty
>Unknown.
>
>Notes for Adam Cissell:
>Adam received 100 acres of "Scotland" and his father's 50 acres of "White
>Acre"
>
>
>
>Generation No. 2
>
> 2. John22 Cissell (Thomas21, John Baptist20, Thomas19 Cecil, Thomas18,
>William17, Richard16, David15, Richard14 Cyssel, Phillip13, Richard12,
>Thomas11, John10, John9, John8, Robert7, Gerald6, Baldwin5, Eustice4, John3,
>James2, Robert1) was born 1690 (Source: Elise Greenup Jourdan, "Early
>Families of Southern Maryland", Volume 1, 1992), and died Bet. 31-May -
>6-Jul-1743 in SMC, MD (Source: (1) Elise Greenup Jourdan, "Early Families of
>Southern Maryland", Volume 1, 1992, (2) FTM Family Archives CD #206,
>Maryland Probate Records 1674-1774.). He married Sarah Van Reswick Bef.
>1712 in SMC, MD (Source: Elise Greenup Jourdan, "Early Families of Southern
>Maryland", Volume 1, 1992), daughter of Thomas Van Reswick and Unknown.
>
>Notes for Sarah Van Reswick:
>Sr. Donnelly's book on Beaverdam Manor. (provided by Shirley Platt,
>Plattshirl(a)aol.com) The "Beaverdam Manor" Lot #40 "Fertility" containing 95
>1/2 acres was leased on 3/25/1744 to SARAH CISSELL. According to the
>Calvert Papers on 3/21/1762 SARAH CECIL (CISSELL) was in possession of 100
>acres of "Beaverdam Manor". In 1768 this tract was in possession of JOHN
>CISSELL b. 1739, THOMAS CISSELL b. 1738 and ANN CISSELL b 1741. This is
>probably SARAH VAN RESWICK CISSELL, the widow of JOHN CISSELL(1) who was
>deceased prior to 5/31/1747. JOHN CISSELL's inventory was appraised on
>5/21/1747. According to the Debt Books SARAH CISSELL also had possession of
>150 acres of "Part of Bailey's Rest".
>1) Children of John Cissell and Sarah Van Reswick:
>2) James Cissell-from Van Reswick records
>3) Thomas Cissell b 1738
>4) John Cissell b 1739
>5) Ann Cissell b 1741
>
>
>Children of John Cissell and Sarah Van Reswick are:
> 5 i. Thomas23 Cissell, born Abt. 1714 in SMC, MD (Source: Elise Greenup
>Jourdan, "Early Families of Southern Maryland", Volume 1, 1992); died 1756
>(Source: Elise Greenup Jourdan, "Early Families of Southern Maryland",
>Volume 1, 1992). He married Ann Unknown (Source: Barbara Fitzgerald
>bcf855(a)nwws.com.).
> 6 ii. John Baptist Cissell, born Abt. 1715.
> 7 iii. James Cissell, born Bet. 1715 - 1730; died Bet. 1746 - 1751 (Source:
>Pat via e-mail (iobrist(a)win.org)).
>
>Notes for James Cissell:
>He witnessed the will of Thomas Van Reswick, Sr. in 1750 and of John Bowles
>in 1752: he patented "Cissell's Venture" on 3/18/1746, next to the Van
>Reswick land.
>
>
> 8 iv. Mary Ann Cissell, born Abt. 1717; died Abt. 1759 in SMC, MD (Source:
>Elise Greenup Jourdan, "Early Families of Southern Maryland", Volume 1,
>1992). She married Thomas Van Reswick Aft. 1744.
>
>Notes for Thomas Van Reswick:
>Notes from Elise Jourdan Greenup (Ibid)-Thomas Sr. left the plantation he
>now lives on to son John, 12 acres of his part of White Acre; Thomas Jr. got
>the plantation his father resided on after widow Ann dies. The mill also
>goes to both sons after death of Ann.
>
>Carberry family info:
>
>Ancestors of Ann Carberry
>
>
>Generation No. 1
>
> 1. Ann Carberry (Source: FTM Family Archives CD #206, Maryland Probate
>Records 1674-1774.), born Bet. 1690 - 1695. She was the daughter of 2. John
>Baptist Carberry and 3. Elizabeth Guibert. She married (1) Thomas Cissell
>Abt. 1705. He was the son of John Cissell and Unknown Browne. She married
>(2) Thomas Van Reswick Aft. 24-Aug-1724 in SMC, MD. He was the son of John
>Van Reswick and Unknown. She married (3) James Thompson Abt. 1734 in St.
>Mary's Co, MD (Source: Donnelly, St. Clement's Bay..., op. cit. p. 242.).
>He was the son of James Thompson and Elizabeth French.
>
>Notes for Thomas Cissell:
>Thomas, planter, wrote his will on 4/30/1724 and it was probated in St.
>Mary's County on 8/24/1724 (18:300). To his son John Cissell he left his
>dwelling plantation on Beaverdam Run, 350 acres at Chaptico and 50 acres of
>"White Acres," and all his personal estate. He asked that his son give
>certain personalty to the children of his brother James, deceased, as they
>come of age, and to take care of his mother. On 11/16/1724 his son John
>administered his father's estate which amounted to L161.19.03. The next of
>kin on his inventory were William Cissell and Matthew Cissell (10:254).
>Anne, his widow, married secondly Thomas Van Reswick, who then had
>possession of Thomas Cissell's tracts.
>
>
>Children of Ann Carberry and Thomas Cissell are:
> i. James Cissell, born Bet. 1706 - 1710; died Bef. 1724 in St. Mary's Co,
>MD.
>
>Notes for James Cissell:
>died prior to 1724 and had a child
>
>
> ii. John Cissell, born Bet. 1705 - 1723 in St. Mary's Co, MD; died Bef.
>21-May-1747 in St. Mary's Co, MD; married Sarah Unknown Abt. 1739.
>
>Notes for John Cissell:
>Father left him mill on Beaverdam, 350 A at Chaptyco, 50 A "White Acres" and
>personal estate. Also to give certain personality to children of brother
>James, dec'd, as they come of age.
>
>info from Sr. Donnelly's book on Beaverdam Manor supplied by Shirley Platt
>
>The "Beaverdam Manor" Lot #40 "Fertility" containing 95 1/2 acres was leased
>on 3/25/1744 to SARAH CISSELL. According to the Calvert Papers on 3/21/1762
>SARAH CECIL (CISSELL) was in possession of 100 acres of "Beaverdam Manor".
>In 1768 this tract was in possession of JOHN CISSELL b. 1739, THOMAS CISSELL
>b. 1738 and ANN CISSELL b 1741. This is probably SARAH VAN RESWICK
>CISSELL, the widow of JOHN CISSELL(1) who was deceased prior to 5/31/1747.
>JOHN CISSELL's inventory was appraised on 5/21/1747. According to the Debt
>Books SARAH CISSELL also had possession of 150 acres of "Part of BAiley's
>Rest".
>1) Children of John Cissell and Sarah Van Reswick:
>2) James Cissell-from Van Reswick records
>3) Thomas Cissell b 1738
>4) John Cissell b 1739
>5) Ann Cissell b 1741
>
>
>Children of Ann Carberry and Thomas Van Reswick are:
> i. Thomas Van Reswick, born Bet. 1724 - 1740; died Bef. 9-Mar-1762 in SMC,
>MD; married Ann Wiseman.
> ii. John Baptist Van Reswick, born Bet. 1724 - 1742 in SMC, MD; died Bet.
>18-Nov-1766 - 5-Mar-1767 in SMC, MD (Source: FTM Family Archives CD #206,
>Maryland Probate Records 1674-1774.); married Appolonia Unknown.
> iii. Elizabeth Van Reswick, born Bet. 1724 - 1743; married Mark Norris.
> iv. Mary Van Reswick, born Bet. 1724 - 1744; married Henry Shercliffe.
> v. Monica Van Reswick, born Bet. 1724 - 1745.
> vi. Ann Van Reswick, born Bet. 1724 - 1746.
> vii. Eleanor Van Reswick, born Bet. 1724 - 1747.
> viii. Winifred Van Reswick, born Bet. 1724 - 1748.
>
>
>Generation No. 2
>
> 2. John Baptist Carberry, born Bet. 1650 - 1700; died Bef. 31-Aug-1731 in
>SMC, MD (Source: FTM Family Archives CD #206, Maryland Probate Records
>1674-1774.). He was the son of 4. John Baptist Carberry and 5. Elizabeth
>Barber. He married 3. Elizabeth Guibert.
> 3. Elizabeth Guibert, born Bet. 1660 - 1670. She was the daughter of 6.
>Joshua Guibert and 7. Elizabeth Barber.
>
>Children of John Carberry and Elizabeth Guibert are:
> 1 i. Ann Carberry, born Bet. 1690 - 1695; married (1) Thomas Cissell Abt.
>1705; married (2) Thomas Van Reswick Aft. 24-Aug-1724 in SMC, MD; married
>(3) James Thompson Abt. 1734 in St. Mary's Co, MD.
> ii. John Baptist Carberry (Source: FTM Family Archives CD #206, Maryland
>Probate Records 1674-1774.), born Bet. 1700 - 1729; died Bef. 17-Feb-1778;
>married Mary Thompson.
> iii. Eleanor Carberry (Source: FTM Family Archives CD #206, Maryland
>Probate Records 1674-1774.), born Bet. 1700 - 1729.
>
>
>Generation No. 3
>
> 4. John Baptist Carberry, born in Ireland. He married 5. Elizabeth Barber
>in Ireland.
> 5. Elizabeth Barber.
>
>Children of John Carberry and Elizabeth Barber are:
> 2 i. John Baptist Carberry, born Bet. 1650 - 1700; died Bef. 31-Aug-1731 in
>SMC, MD; married Elizabeth Guibert.
> ii. Elizabeth Carberry, married (1) William Joseph; married (2) Nicholas
>Mills.
> iii. Susane Carberry.
>
> 6. Joshua Guibert, born 1645 in Rheims, France; died Bef. 16-May-1713 in
>SMC, MD. He married 7. Elizabeth Barber.
> 7. Elizabeth Barber. She was the daughter of 14. Luke Barber.
>
>Children of Joshua Guibert and Elizabeth Barber are:
> i. Luke Guibert, born Bet. 1660 - 1714.
> ii. Thomas Guibert, born Bet. 1660 - 1710; died Bef. 7-May-1729 in SMC, MD
>(Source: Maryland Calendar of Wills, Vol 6); married Sarah Jordan.
> iii. Joshua Guibert, born Bet. 1660 - 1710; married (1) Anne Boarman;
>married (2) Jean Boarman.
> iv. Matthew Guibert, born Bet. 1660 - 1685; married (1) Julian Mudd Bet.
>1711 - 1724 (Source: Gerald D. Watkins (gdwatkins(a)mail.utexas.edu).);
>married (2) Elizabeth Newton Abt. 1741 (Source: Gerald D. Watkins
>(gdwatkins(a)mail.utexas.edu).).
> v. Mary Guibert, born Bet. 1660 - 1714.
> vi. Anne Guibert, born Bet. 1660 - 1700; married John Blackistone.
> 3 vii. Elizabeth Guibert, born Bet. 1660 - 1670; married (1) John Baptist
>Carberry; married (2) Thomas Turner.
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Paul and Dorothy Tobler <tobler(a)hctc.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
Never claimed he had daughter that was the wife of Wm Cecil. Clearly stated
this was speculation.
<<<<<<<<<
This is true, but you did write in your original posting:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
"I have nothing to prove this, however feel Mary mother of John, Phillip,
Susan
was Mary HOWARD born 1665-1668 d/o Cornelius HOWARD (born c 1633) and
Elizabeth GORSUCH (born 13 May 1641).
If we can eliminate this Mary I would be very surprized."
Anyone have any thoughts on this??
<<<<<<<<<<<<<
The mere fact that you stated you'd be surprised if Mary could be eliminated
as a possiblity implies strong confidence in your assertion.
Furthermore, even if Cornelius Howard DID have a daughter Mary, that doesn't
connect her to William Cecil or his children. My point was not whether or not
he had a daughter named Mary, but whether she could be associated with the
Cecils.
You also wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
Rev. John Gorsuch and his wife, Ann Lovelace Gorsuch, lived at Walkerne
Parish, Hertfordshire, England. After the death of Rev. Gorsuch in
England, his widow and children came to America. They went directly to
Virginia but later settled in Maryland.
Children of Rev. John Gorsuch and Anne Lovelace Gorsuch
1. Frances Gorsuch m. John Sisson
2. Richard Gorsuch
3. Elizabeth Gorsuch m. Cornelius Howard (see Howard family)
4. Charles Gorsuch
5. Robert Gorsuch
6. Anne Gorsuch m. Thomas Todd
7. Kathryn Gorsuch
Elizabeth Gorsuch was baptized at Walkerne Parish on May 13, 1641. She
arrived in Virginia before 1652 and came to Maryland prior to 1661 with
either her brother, Richard Gorsuch or with a relative, Thomas Powell.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
YES, the Reverend John Gorsuch and his wife, Anne (Lovelace) Gorsuch, did have
a daughter, Elizabeth. I never denied that. I have done a great deal of
research into the Gorsuch family as I am connected to that family through
another line.
No matter if you have found it in print in a secondary source, Elizabeth
Gorsuch, the daughter of the Reverend John Gorsuch, did NOT marry Cornelius
Howard.
The Gorsuch and Lovelace families are outlined in ADVENTURERS OF PURSE AND
PERSON, 3rd Edition. It's a highly respected secondary source with
references. I suggest you consult this source. This book is put out by the
First Families of Virginia, a hereditary society devoted to the first families
that settled in the colony of Virginia. The Gorsuch family was very well
connected in England and very well connected in the colony of VA and MD and
has been well researched.
You quoted extensively from the FHC/LDS Vital Records Index. I'm sure that
you're aware it in itself is a secondary source. It is supposedly an
extraction from primary source records (parish registers, etc.) and I myself
can't state conclusively that it's free from additional information being
inserted by contributors.
You included the following:
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
father Cornelius Howard
mother Mary
Mary Howard christened 20 Dec 1665 Sydenham Damerel, Devon, England
FHL Number 916992
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Is this the "Mary Howard" in question? If so, in your previous posting, you
stated Mary Howard's mother was Elizabeth Gorsuch. Here, her mother is listed
as being "Mary." I do note that this baptism took place in England at a
time when the Cornelius Howard you referenced in your earlier posting would
have already been in Maryland.
What is the reasoning behind your speculation that the mother of William
Cecil's children was Mary Howard?
Charles Ward
CMW12635(a)aol.com
From: Pence234(a)aol.com
<< From: Wbm91837(a)aol.com
I have seen on at least one archive family group sheet the or Bileston or
Baylor but have never pursued it.....may should pursue it some....Walt
>>
On my Family Group Sheet (which I got from a nice Mormon relation) it does say
that Priscilla's name was Baylor or Bilestone or Boylestone. I suspect that
somebody couldn't read somebody's handwriting, and go with Boydstone
(Boylestone0.
From: Paul and Dorothy Tobler <tobler(a)hctc.net>
There are some very interesting facts which I will attempt to show here.
=====================
This from the LDS Vital Records Index of the British Isles. (1998)
-----------------
Frances Gorsuch md Litton Faireclough 7 Apr 1669 Ardeley, Hertford, England
FHL Number 1040846
=====================
Elizabeth Todd md 10 Mar 1645 to Robert Burdon in Wilberfoss, York, England
FHL Number 1068419
---------------------
Richard Ridgley father and mother Alice
Anne Ridgley christened 6 May 1638 Yarpole, Herford, England
Thirkill Ridgley christened 5 Sep 1641 (same place)
Richard Ridgley christened 25 May 1644 (same place)
FHL Number 1040034
=======================
Persevall Ridgley father
John Ridgley christened 9 May 1600 Horningsham, Wiltshire, England
FHL Number 1279362
------------------------
William Howard father
Thomas Howard christened 28 May 1667 St. John the Baptist, Croydon,
Surrey, England
FHL Number 994330
FHL Number 994331
========================
father Charles Howard
mother Mary
Henry Howard christened 18 Oct 1668 St. Clement Danes, Westminster,
London, England
Charles Howard christened 31 Mar 1663 (same place)
father Charles Howard
mother Jane
Jane Howard christened 17 Nov 1663 (same place)
father Henry Howard
mother Ellen
Mary Howard christened 29 May 1666 (same place)
Ellen Howard christened 31 Jan 1663 (same place)
father Jonathan Howard
mother Anne
Henry Howard christened 23 Dec 1666 (same place)
FHL Number 1042328
--------------------------
father William Howard
William Howard christened 2 Oct 1662 Chertsey, Surrey, England
FHL Number 1042341
----------------------
father Gulielmi Howard
Margaretta Howard christened 3 May 1667 Chertsey, Surrey, England
FHL Number 1042341
--------------------------
father Cornelius Howard
mother Mary
Mary Howard christened 20 Dec 1665 Sydenham Damerel, Devon, England
FHL Number 916992
=================================
father John Gorsuch
mother Anne
Robert christened 19 Nov 1635
Richard christened 20 Apr 1637
Anna christened 13 Mar 1638
Elisabeth christened 13 May 1641
Charles christened 25 Aug 1642
All at Walkern, Hertford, England
FHL Number 991399
---------------------------------
At 06:07 AM 2/21/99 EST, you wrote:
>Recently, Paul and Dorothy Tobler <tobler(a)hctc.net> wrote:
>
>>>>>>>
>I have nothing to prove this, however feel Mary mother of John, Phillip,
Susan
>
>was Mary HOWARD born 1665-1668 d/o Cornelius HOWARD (born c 1633) and
>
>Elizabeth GORSUCH (born 13 May 1641).
><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
>First of all, much of the pedigree for this proposed mother of the Cecil
>children is fallacious.
=======================
Interesting statement and you are intitled to your opinion. Are we geting
a bit testy here? I clearly stated that this situation was speculative in
nature. Pleased to get your attention.
--------------------
It should be noted that the GORSUCH family is one of
>the most well-researched families in colonial America. A very thorough
>genealogy of the family was published in a respected VA based genealogical
>periodical with very good references/citations to primary sources in colonial
>VA, MD, and also in England. Elizabeth Gorsuch NEVER married Cornelius
>Howard.
===================
Cornelius Howard was son of Matthew and Anne Howard, becomming the most
distinguished of the Howard Brothers. His first land grant was issued in
1644 for 420 acres and was known as "Howard's Heirship" and the next year
he was granted "Howard's Chance". At a council meeting held on 28 Nov
1661, Cornelius Howard was appointed an Ensign under Captain Thomas Besson.
He paticipated in the Nanticoke Indian War of 1678. From 1671 to 1675 he
represented Anne Arundel Co., in the Assembly. His will dated 15 Apr 1680
was proven in Anne Arundel Co., on 15 Oct 1680. (Wills Liber 2 Folio 107)
--------------------
I have seen a secondary source on Maryland families, one with a
>section on the HOWARD family, that asserts Cornelius Howard married a
Gorsuch.
>However, it's reasoning behind the identification of Cornelius Howard's wife
>is faulty.
>
>By the way, to my knowledge, the given name of William Cecil's wife remains
>unknown.
================
This is true.
---------------
>
><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>Cornelius HOWARD s/o Matthew HOWARD (born 1609) and Ann HALL
>
>
>
>Matthew HOWARD s/o John HOWARD and Elizabeth LOCK
>
>
>
>John HOWARD s/o Robert HOWARD born Jan 1537 Syon House, London and
>
> Philipp BUXTON born abt 1545 Norfolk, England
>
>
>
>Robert was grandson of Margaret TUDOR, Queen and Archibald DOUGLAS, Earl
>
>and sone of Margaret DOUGLAS, Countess and Thomas HOWARD died 31 Oct 1537
>
>Tower of London (lost his head)
>
>
><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
>
>The only child of Margaret Tudor, Dowager Queen of Scotland and her second
>husband, Archibald Douglas, was a daughter, the mother of Henry Stuart, Lord
>Darnley, consort of his cousin, Mary, Queen of Scots. Margaret Tudor,
Dowager
>Queen of Scotland had no daughter who married Thomas Howard.
>
>Numerous pedigrees abound which claim to trace the English ancestry of the
>Maryland Howards. However, they have all fallen apart upon close inspection.
>To date, absolutely nothing is known regarding the English antecedents of the
>Maryland Howards.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>If we can eliminate this Mary I would be very surprized.
>
>
>
>Anyone have any thoughts on this??
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>Before eliminating her, one needs to provide proof or evidence as to why she
>could have been the mother of the Cecil children in the first place.
>
>Have you consulted the will of Cornelius Howard? Did it list a daughter,
Mary
>Cecil?
============================
You bet it shows a daughter named Mary Howard along with Joseph, Cornelius,
Sarah and Elizabeth. See above.
---------------------------
If not, did it mention her heirs? What is the basis of your claim
>that he had a daughter who was the wife of William Cecil?
========================
Never claimed he had daughter that was the wife of Wm Cecil. Clearly stated
this was speculation.
>
>Charles Ward
>CMW12635(a)aol.com
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Richard WARFIELD, from England, settled near Annapolis, Anne Arundel Co.,
MD; mil. officer of the county, 1696; large land owner, vestryman.
>From Maryland Archives XX, page 541: "In 1696 Capt. Warfield signs an
address to King William of England as one of the Military Officers of A.A.
County, Md."
Other sources: "Ann Arundel Gentry," by Newman, page 518.
"Baldwin-Cotton's Calendar of Wills," Vol. 2, p. 48; vol. V, page 28 for
will of R. Warfield.
"The Warfield's of Maryland," page 65.
"Ancestral Records & Portraits -- Colonial Dames"
"Founders of Ann Arundel & Howard Co., Md." by J. D. Warfield
--------------------------------------------------
! Pg. 83-4 FOUNDERS OF ANNE ARUNDEL AND HOWARD COUNTY: A Warfield record,
[of 1804] indicates that "Richard Warfield settled near Annapolis, in
1639." There was no settlement there until 1649 and Richard Warfield was
not one of those settlers. He came among them, however, in 1662 and
located west of Crownsville, Anne Arundel, "in the woods." His estate
reached back to the
beautiful sheet of water--Round Bay, of the Severn. Our Rent rolls show that
he held, during his life, Wayfield, Warfield's Right, Hope, Increase,
Warfield's Plains, Warfield's Forest, Warfield's Addition, Brandy, and
Warfield's Range.
In 1670 he married Elinor, heiress of Captain John Browne of London, who
with his brother Captain Peregrine Browne, ran two of the best equipped
merchant transports between London and Annapolis.
She inherited Hope and Increase two adjoining tracts originally taken up
by Henry Sewell, transferred by him to John Minter, willed by him to his
daughter, Elizabeth, wife of Henry Winchester. These two joined in deeding
them, in 1673, to Captain John Browne, mariner, of London. No further
transfers are to be found, but in 1705, Richard Warfield appeared before
the commission, to restore the burnt record of 1704, and requested a record
of the above history of the property.
In 1675 Richard and Elinor Warfield were summoned as witnesses to the
chancery contest over the will of their immediate neighbor, Nicholas Wyatt.
In 1689 Richard Warfield signed, as a military officer, the address to
King William. In 1696 Richard Warfield's name was returned as one of the
Vestry of St. Ann'e church. This was before the first building was
completed. Dying at an advanced age, in 1703/4, he left an intelligent
will, in which he named his heirs, John, Richard, Alexander, Benjamin, Mary
the late wife of Captain John Howard, Rachel then wife of George Yates;
Elinor the prospective bride of Caleb Dorsey of "Hockley".
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In his old age, he began the first westward movement of the early
settlements to the unexplored frontier of Howard. His sons and executors,
in 1704, resurveyed "Warfield's Range" and increased it to fifteen hundred
acres.
pg.861 Brothers: John (1675-1718), who married 1696 Ruth Gaither; Richard
Warfield (ca. 1677-1755);..."
==================================
Captain Richard Warfield was transported into Maryland about 1659 by John
Sisson. Warfield completed his service to Sisson in 1669 when he and
Edward Gardner were jointly granted a tract of land called "Gardner's
Warfield". Richard Warfield's land patents extended well over 2,000 acres
including the above named tract and "Warfield's Right", "Warfield's
Forest", "Warfield's Plains", "The Addition", and "Warfield's Range". He
served as a militia officer in the Provincial Forces of Anne Arundel Co., Md.
He married Elinor Browne, daughter of John Browne, a planter of the Severn
River. (see Browne family) His will was probated February 11, 1703/4.
(Hall of Records, Annapolis, Md. Liber 11 Folio 409)
Children of Richard Warfield and Elinor Browne Warfield
1. John Warfield m. Ruth Gaither
2. Richard Warfield m. Ruth Crutchley
3. Alexander Warfield m. Sarah Pierpont
4. Benjamin Warfield m. Elizabeth Duvall
5. Rachel Warfield m. George Yate
6. Elinor Warfield m. Caleb Dorsey. She was born July 10, 1683 and was
married August 24, 1704 . Caleb Dorsey was of "Hockley-in-the-Hole" (see
Dorsey family)
7. Mary Warfield m. John Howard
Richard Warfield, son of Richard and Elinor Browne Warfield, was born in
1676 and died in 1755, age 79. He inherited his father's dwelling
plantation and also a portion of the estate where he lived. He married
Ruth, daughter of Thomas Crutchley, of Annapolis
Richard Warfield entered the Lower House of the Legislature as a delegate
from Anne Arundel Co. and served continuously until 1739. He was on the
commission to organize the public school system in Anne Arundel Co. and for
a number of years he served on the vestry of St. Anne's Parish.
The death of his wife was recorded in the parish register of St. Anne's in
1713. His will was dated October 28, 1753 and was probated in Anne Arundel
Co. on March 12, 1755. (Liber 29 Folio 332) Richard Warfield's obituary
appeared in the Maryland Gazette, it read as follows: "Sunday last, died
of Pleursey, at his plantation about nine miles from town on the Patapsco
Road, Mr. Richard Warfield in the 79th year of his age who formerly was one
of the Representatives in many Assemblies of the County, and for many years
one of our Magistrates. A gentleman of an upright and unblemished
character."
Children of Richard Warfield and Ruth Crutchley Warfield
1. Ruth Warfield m. Joseph Hall
2. Alexander Warfield m. Dinah (see Davidge family)
3. Lydia Warfield m. 1) Samuel Stringer 2) Charles Ridgely
4. Rachel Warfield m. Robert Davidge (see Davidge family)
Alexander Warfield, only son of Richard and Ruth Crutchley Warfield, was
born in St. Anne's Parish. According to the parish register he married
Dinah Davidge on Decmber 3, 1723. He settled in the western portion of
St. Anne's Parish on "Warfield's Contrivance" and "Wincopin Neck" which
fell into Wueen Caroline Parish, now Howard Co., Md. Alexander's will
dated June 12, 1773 was probated in Anne Arundel Co. on November 28, 1773.
(Liber 39 Folio 453) Dinah, his widow, dated her will January 25, 1779 and
it was probated in Anne Arundel Co. on August 31, 1782. (Liber 34 Folio 139)
Children of Alexander Warfield and Dinah Davidge Warfield
1. Azel Warfield m. 1) Sarah Griffith 2) Susanna Magruder
2. Davidge Warfield m. Ann Dorsey
3. Rachel Warfield
4. Absolam Warfield
5. Sarah Warfield m. Thomas Price
6. Ann Warfield m. John Marriott
7. Rezin Warfield m. Honour Howard
8. Charles Warfield m. Elizabeth Warfield
9. Dinah Warfield m. William Woodward
10. Philemon Warfield m. Assanta Waters
11. Basil Warfield
12. Sophia Warfield m. Richard Simpson
13. Joshua Warfield m. Rachel Howard (see Howard family)
Joshua Warfield, son of Alexander and Dinah Davidge Warfield, lived in
Queen Caroline Parish where his marriage to Rachel Howard was recorded in
the parish register on August 6, 1751. She was a daughter of Judge Henry
Howard and his wife, Sarah Dorsey Howard. Rachel was born April 2, 1732.
Joshua Warfield was a medical doctor. He died March 19, 1769 according to
the records of Queen Caroline Parish. His will was probated in Anne
Arundel Co. April 10, 1769. (Liber 37 Folio 201) His widow, Rachel, dated
her will September 9, 1784. (Anne Arundel Co. Wills - Liber 36 Folio 304)
An inventory of her estate was filed on October 8, 1792.
Children of Dr. Joshua Warfield and Rachel Howard Warfield
1. Sarah Warfield
2. Dinah Warfield b. April 3, 1754 m. Caleb Dorsey, son of Ely Dorsey
(see Dorsey family)
3. Ruth Warfield m. Richard Owings
4. Joseph Warfield m. Elizabeth Dorsey
5. Rachel Warfield m. Nicholas Worthington
6. Joshua Dorsey
=====================================
So here we have the surnames
Duvall; Howard; Marriot; Dorsey; Worthington; Gaither; Warfield; Ridgely;
Gorsuch; Hammond; Ijams; Griffith; Brown; with a good mix of Beall and
Cecil etc.
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nearly forgot this.
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Rev. John Gorsuch and his wife, Ann Lovelace Gorsuch, lived at Walkerne
Parish, Hertfordshire, England. After the death of Rev. Gorsuch in
England, his widow and children came to America. They went directly to
Virginia but later settled in Maryland.
Children of Rev. John Gorsuch and Anne Lovelace Gorsuch
1. Frances Gorsuch m. John Sisson
2. Richard Gorsuch
3. Elizabeth Gorsuch m. Cornelius Howard (see Howard family)
4. Charles Gorsuch
5. Robert Gorsuch
6. Anne Gorsuch m. Thomas Todd
7. Kathryn Gorsuch
Elizabeth Gorsuch was baptized at Walkerne Parish on May 13, 1641. She
arrived in Virginia before 1652 and came to Maryland prior to 1661 with
either her brother, Richard Gorsuch or with a relative, Thomas Powell.
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Charles: My mind must be slipping..this whole conversation be, of course,
began with the family bible record. I'll try to remember next time. I may have
to start storing all my data in books, floppies or something other than my
head...which was alright for the 500 or so names....Walt
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Charles: Your argument as usual preserves sanity in this sometimes crazy
project. The information that I was lacking but believe critical is the
physical association of the Cecil and Boydston s in Montgomery County VA. The
lawyers would say we must find motive and opportunity and opportunity is co-
location. What say you with regard to the premise that Benjamin married
Priscilla in Frederick County MD?
Walt
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Walt,
I have pursued other surname possibilities for Priscilla, wife of Benjamin
Sollers Cecil. As I noted in an earlier posting to the list, Priscilla is
listed as a "Baylor" in only one secondary source I've found. Based on my
research, this is an apparent error. As for "Bileston" I feel it's just a
variation of "Boylston" itself a variation of "Boydstone."
The earliest instance I've found listing Priscilla as a variant of the
surname "Boydston" is in the early 1890s, when the information could very well
have come from her youngest child, Thomas Cecil (d.1893), of Meigs Co., TN who
was still living.
Much of what is found on the Boydston family is not trustworthy. Years ago,
a genealogy of this family was published by a Mrs. Weaver. I have a very
strong feeling she relied on a "researcher" to do the research on her family.
I say this, because the results of this research bear all the hallmarks of one
of the numerous charlatans who were supplying false pedigrees to anyone who
had the money to pay for their "research." The resulting pedigree supplied
Mrs. Weaver was later proven false by succeeding generations of the family who
sought to join the Society of Mayflower Descendants by virtue of the alleged
Mayflower descent outlined by this researcher. Further, serious
investigation shows that the book is seriously flawed, to say the least, and
the connection it vainly tries to pursue between the Boydstone family of VA
and the Boylston family of MA are entirely imaginary.
It is interesting to note that there is a transcript of an affidavit in the
book whereby Mrs. Weaver was to sign her name attesting to the authenticity of
the pedigree (to the best of her knowledge). It appears she never signed it.
Perhaps even she had her own doubts as to the veracity of the statements put
forth in it.
The book also provides dates of birth and death for James and Mary (Prewitt)
Boydston. However, knowing that the book in which they are contained is so
plagued by false statements, I cannot in good conscience accept them as
reliable.
I should also note that a more recent genealogy of the Boydston family has
been published. Although it provides a different outline of the Boydston
family roots, it relies somewhat on the earlier Weaver information regarding
the children of James and Mary (Prewitt) Boydston. Consequently, the book
does not make note of Priscilla Cecil, wife of Benjamin Sollers Cecil. To my
knowledge, their isn't any contemporary record that states the children born
to James and Mary (Prewitt) Boydston (in other words, he left no will, etc).
The earliest reference to their children is the publication by Mrs. Weaver.
I include my earlier posting where I state my theory as to Priscilla
Boydston's parents. It is given below.
Charles Ward
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In the course of my research, I've come to believe that Priscilla
BOYDSTON/BOYLSTON, wife of Benjamin Sollers Cecil, was probably the daughter
of James BOYDSTON and his wife, Mary Prewitt. Benjamin S. Cecil is found
with members of this family in Montgomery Co., VA. What's more, he aquired
land that had been patented by James Boydston. In early records of Montgomery
County, the name "Boydstone" and "Boylstone" are used interchangably. Some
have speculated that Priscilla might be the daughter of David
Boylston/Boydston, but I feel it's far more likely Priscilla was a daughter of
James and Mary (Prewitt) Boydston.
One more consideration in analyzing my theory is the naming pattern found in
the Benjamin SOllers Cecil family. The two eldest sons of Benjamin Sollers
Cecil were named SAMUEL and JAMES. Would it not make sense that they were
named for their paternal and maternal grandfathers, respectively (i.e. Samuel
Cecil and James Boydston)?
Charles Ward
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Joe -
Can you give us the the wife & the rest of Russell's children?
- Randy Jones
-----Original Message-----
From: Donna Van Zandt <donavan(a)netins.net>
To: CECIL-L(a)rootsweb.com <CECIL-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 8:05 PM
Subject: Russell b. 1852 Ky
>This is all I have on Russell. Maybe you could post your lineage. Donna
>
>
>Descendants of Samuel Cecil
>
>
>Generation No. 1
>
> 1. Samuel6 Cecil (Samuel5, Benjamin Sollers4, Samuel W.3, John2,
William1)1
>was born 22 May 18281. He married Lucinda ??2.
>
>Notes for Samuel Cecil:
>
>
>1850 Wayne County, Kentucky
>Samuel Cecil 22 Tennessee
>Lucinda 27 Ky
>Granville 8/12 Ky
>
>1860 Clinton County, Kentucky
>Samuel Cecil 30 farmer Tenn
>Lucinda 36 Spinner Ky
>Rusel 8 Ky
>Emberson 5 Ky
>John 3 KY
>Perry 11/12 Ky
>William Alexander 16 farm laborer Ky
>
>Children of Samuel Cecil and Lucinda ?? are:
> 2 i. Granville7 Cecil, born Abt. 1849 in Tennessee; died 11 October 1853
in
>Wayne County, Kentucky.
> 3 ii. Russel Cecil, born Abt. 1852 in Kentucky.
> 4 iii. Emberson Cecil, born Abt. 1855 in Kentucky.
> 5 iv. John Cecil, born Abt. 1857 in Kentucky.
> 6 v. Perry Cecil, born Abt. 1859 in Kentucky.
>
>
>Endnotes
>
>1. Bible Records- Charles Ward" cmw12635(a)aol.com" e-mail 2 Feb. 1999.
>2. Carles Ward E-mail 2/5/99.
>
>
>
>
>Randy Jones wrote:
>
>> The only Benjamin Sollers CECIL that I can fit it to is Benjamin Sollers
>> CECIL (b.1807), son of Samuel CECIL & Jane Chrisman, but I have a number
of
>> other "Benjamin" candidates.
>>
>> - Randy Jones
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joe Boyd Williams <joekate(a)nol.net>
>> To: CECIL-L(a)rootsweb.com <CECIL-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>> Date: Monday, January 25, 1999 9:21 PM
>> Subject: Cecil Line
>>
>> >I'm new to the list and am looking for cousins. If you recognize this
line
>> >be in contact.
>> >Wanda Cecil b. 1926 Texas
>> >James A. Garfield Cecil b. 1880 Kentucky
>> >Russell (Dad) Cecil b.1852 Kentucky
>> >Samuel Cecil b. 1829 Kentucky
>> >Benjamin Sollers Cecil Jr. b. Virginia.
>> >
>> >Joe Boyd Williams
>> >Katy, Texas
>> >
>
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I have seen on at least one archive family group sheet the or Bileston or
Baylor but have never pursued it.....may should pursue it some....Walt
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Paul : I am interested in any data on Priscilla Boyleston/Boydstun. The
Priscilla you mention d/o of Thomas Boydstun and Elizabeth Newport with
Thomas being the son of James Boydstun and Mary Pruitt/Prewitt, then James
being son of David and Mahala Snow or Sarah Pruitt......Mary Prewitt is d/o of
Samuel Pruitt & Elizabeth Hawker.......did I get this correct? I would be
interested in the other data you reference.
I have an LDS Archive Family Group Sheet for Benjamin Sollers Cecil and it
gives Priscilla Boyleston OR Bileston, OR Baylor. Has anyone looked around at
these other surnames as possibilities.
Walt
From: Paul and Dorothy Tobler <tobler(a)hctc.net>
Hi!
In the Vital Records Index North America of LDS I have found the following:
Cecil, Benjamin married Ann Fisher 29 Jan 1798 in Frederick, MD
FHL Number 14082
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Cecil, John married Mary Linton 24 Feb 1798 in Frederick, MD
FHL Number 14082
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Eleanor Cecil married John Dent 19 Jan 1777 in St. James Parish, Anne
Arundel, MD
FHL Number 13280
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Elizabeth Cecill married James Tool Jun 1782 in Frederick, MD
FHL Number 14082
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Recently, Paul and Dorothy Tobler <tobler(a)hctc.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
I have nothing to prove this, however feel Mary mother of John, Phillip, Susan
was Mary HOWARD born 1665-1668 d/o Cornelius HOWARD (born c 1633) and
Elizabeth GORSUCH (born 13 May 1641).
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
First of all, much of the pedigree for this proposed mother of the Cecil
children is fallacious. It should be noted that the GORSUCH family is one of
the most well-researched families in colonial America. A very thorough
genealogy of the family was published in a respected VA based genealogical
periodical with very good references/citations to primary sources in colonial
VA, MD, and also in England. Elizabeth Gorsuch NEVER married Cornelius
Howard. I have seen a secondary source on Maryland families, one with a
section on the HOWARD family, that asserts Cornelius Howard married a Gorsuch.
However, it's reasoning behind the identification of Cornelius Howard's wife
is faulty.
By the way, to my knowledge, the given name of William Cecil's wife remains
unknown.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Cornelius HOWARD s/o Matthew HOWARD (born 1609) and Ann HALL
Matthew HOWARD s/o John HOWARD and Elizabeth LOCK
John HOWARD s/o Robert HOWARD born Jan 1537 Syon House, London and
Philipp BUXTON born abt 1545 Norfolk, England
Robert was grandson of Margaret TUDOR, Queen and Archibald DOUGLAS, Earl
and sone of Margaret DOUGLAS, Countess and Thomas HOWARD died 31 Oct 1537
Tower of London (lost his head)
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
The only child of Margaret Tudor, Dowager Queen of Scotland and her second
husband, Archibald Douglas, was a daughter, the mother of Henry Stuart, Lord
Darnley, consort of his cousin, Mary, Queen of Scots. Margaret Tudor, Dowager
Queen of Scotland had no daughter who married Thomas Howard.
Numerous pedigrees abound which claim to trace the English ancestry of the
Maryland Howards. However, they have all fallen apart upon close inspection.
To date, absolutely nothing is known regarding the English antecedents of the
Maryland Howards.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
If we can eliminate this Mary I would be very surprized.
Anyone have any thoughts on this??
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Before eliminating her, one needs to provide proof or evidence as to why she
could have been the mother of the Cecil children in the first place.
Have you consulted the will of Cornelius Howard? Did it list a daughter, Mary
Cecil? If not, did it mention her heirs? What is the basis of your claim
that he had a daughter who was the wife of William Cecil?
Charles Ward
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