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From: MLarson101(a)aol.com
Perhaps I missed the original message concerning the parents of Rebecca WHITE
who m. Samuel CECIL. Since I am the 5g grandaughter of this couple through 2
of their daughters both of whom married sons of Thomas J. WITTEN, Sr. and
Elizabeth CECIL, I would like to know the results of the parentage of Rebecca
WHITE. I will give you what I found at the LDS library:
Rebecca WHITE was the d/o Benjamin WHITE b. c 1697 Prince George Co., MD and
Ann HILLIARD b. 1701 also PG Co., MD. Benjamin d. before 7 Jul 1756 Anne
Arundel Co., MD. He was the s/o Guy WHITE b. 21 Nov 1676 Calvert Co., MD d.
Dec 1712 Queen Anne Parish, PG Co., MD and Elizabeth GRIFFITH b. 1675 Calvert
Co., MD d. 16 Jun 1752. Guy b. 1676 was the s/o Guy WHITE b. c 1632 Calvert
Co., MD and Sarah WRIGHT.
The siblings of Rebecca were: Lettice b. 12 Dec 1726, Margaret b. 29 Jul
1729, Rachel b. 25 Feb 1730, John b. c 1731 (died young), Mary Ann b. 27 May
1733, William b. 29 Jul 1735, John b. 17 Jan 1739, Sarah b. 5 Oct 1740,
Benjamin b. 12 Jan 1743.
I would appreciate hearing if others agree with this or am I chasing the wrong
family tree! Hope all of you have a wonderful Christmas.
Melinda Larson
We've made a lot of progress on the new Cecil list this year. It's always
informative and fun.
In all of the discussion, have we determined the children of the John Cissell
b: Abt. 1635 Normandy, France d: 1698 St. Mary's Co., MD who married Mary
Joyner b: St. Mary's Co., MD m: Abt. 1665? I have the following children:
John Cissell d: Abt. 1772
William Cissell d: St. Mary's Co., MD m. Mary Head
Thomas Cissell d: Abt. 1724
Richard Cissell b: Maryland
Robert Cissell
Edward Cissell d: Bef. 1707
James Cissell b: Abt. 1675 St. Mary's, Maryland, d: Abt. 1717 St. Mary's,
Maryland m. Mary
I descend from Peter Cissell, son of James Cissell who married Margaret
Vowels.
==========
Descendants of James Cissell
1 [3] James Cissell b: 1710 in St. Mary's Co., MD
.. +Margaret Vowels b: Bet. 1705 - 1720 Father: John Vowels Mother: Elizabeth
Cooke
.. 2 [1] Ignatius Cissell b: 1735 in St. Mary's Co., MD
...... +Susanna Yates
.. *2nd Wife of [1] Ignatius Cissell:
...... +Elizabeth b: in St. Mary's Co., MD
.. *3rd Wife of [1] Ignatius Cissell:
...... +Winnifred Berryman
.. 2 [2] Francis Cissell b: 1737
...... +Susanna Yates
.. *2nd Wife of [2] Francis Cissell:
...... +Winnifred Berryman
.. 2 Rachel Cissell b: 1741
.. 2 Anastasia Cissell b: 1745
.. 2 Rebecca Cissell b: 1747
*2nd Wife of [3] James Cissell:
.. +Elizabeth
.. 2 Bennet Cissell b: Bet. 1753 - 1758
.. 2 Bernard Emil Cissell b: February 12, 1759 in Leonardtown, St. Mary's
Co., MD
...... +Monica Payne b: March 13, 1763 in Leonardtown, St. Mary's Co.,
MD Father: Leonard Payne Mother: Monica Cissell
.. 2 Susanna Cissell b: January 28, 1760 in St. Mary's Co., MD
...... +Raphael Wimsatt
.. 2 Peter Cissell b: June 29, 1764 in St. Mary's Co., MD
...... +Eleanor Cissell b: 1724 in St. Mary's Co., MD Father: Arthur
Cissell Mother: Mary Doyne
=================
Also, it seems there was some question if this (immigrant?) was actually from
Normandy, France. Any progress on that?
Francine Conn Halter
fyi
-----Original Message-----
From: dorothy jones [mailto:grn-hornet@webtv.net]
Sent: Friday, December 18, 1998 3:28 PM
To: cecil-l-request(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: cecil
Hello, I looking for the cecil family that lived in scott coumty
tnn.about 1900? my father was ezekiel cecil born in 1905 in glenmary
tnn. his mother was kizzie thomas cecil
thank you
dorothy cecil jones
god bless
Those interested in seeing Charles Alexis Cecil & Mary Magdalen Yates
can go to http://home.sprintmail.com/~bcf/cecil/d11.htm#P50 click on
(photo) I still would like to find out more on Mary M. Yates' family
and confirm the info I have tracing them back to Maryland. Any help?
Penny,
This is a fun and interesting idea of yours! I, too, am prematurely gray and
began turning while when I was 17. I have blue/green eyes, fair complexion,
stubborn,
loyal, musical, hot temper (at times), absolutely NO patience, and a good
sense of humor. My maternal grandmother was the WITTEN/CECIL decendant and
was the Regent of her local DAR in Wythe Co., VA during the 1930-40 period.
She was born in Tazewell and always told me (and anyone else who would listen)
that the WITTENS were German and that Wittenburg was named for them. She
never once mentioned the CECIL connection! Somehow, I think I am too far
removed from the CECIL traits to have many of the genes left!
Melinda Larson
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From: Barbara Fitzgerald <bcf855(a)nwws.com>
I have family photos on my website going back four generations if anyone wants to see them at
http://home.sprintmail.com/~bcf My dad is Glenn Eugene Cecil and his family came from
Owensboro Kentucky and trace back to the Maryland Cissell's through Augustine E. Cissell.
Randy Jones wrote:
> From: Pence234(a)aol.com
>
> Since we can't get together and have a big party this year, I though that I'd
> ask all us something-cousins to describe family appearance. I've done this in
> other groups, and it was fun. For example: My Willette french-canadian line
> is small, dark, chatty, bad tempered, and often has extra front teeth which
> must be pulled (ouch! I was lucky to escape that one but my sister had them).
> My Francis line has prematurely white hair, baggy eyes, and sweet
> temperaments.
>
> The earliest description that I have is of a Cecil great something uncle who
> was a Union Officer during the Civil War. His brother, my great something
> grandpa, was in the Confederate army. Anyway, this uncle is described as fair
> haired, gray eyed, and 5'6. My Cecil line, back to great grandparents, tends
> to be tall, fair-skinned, gray to blue eyed, light brown hair. The men are
> handsome, loud, funny, attractive to women (alas for some) and somewhat
> unreliable. The women have high cheekbones, and are strong willed, tall,
> slender, outspoken, fiercely loyal. The family has been quite musical,
> energetic and restless. Patience is not one of their strong suits. The
> family takes religion seriously, and has produced Methodists, Mormons,
> Catholics, Jehovah's Witnesses, and neo pagans. Most are Democrats but social
> conservatives.
>
> My earliest photo of a Cecil is that of William Hiram, my great grandfather.
> He was born 1848 in Arkansas, died in Garvin County, Oklahoma 1911. He was
> described to me as a "stiff old Englishman," odd...after a couple hundred
> years in the US! He has a square, determined face which I have seen on
> several of my uncles and cousins. Can't tell his coloring.
>
> Anyway--I thought that it might be fun to talk about what Cecils look like! I
> know that we are highly diluted, but it is fascinating how traits keep passing
> down! I have the high cheekbones, lack of patience, loud voice, fair skin,
> gray/blue eyes of the Cecils. I have prematurely white hair (since my 20s),
> baggy eyes from the Francis side, ability to chat forever, and lots of loyalty
> (some say I'm stubborn...but I'll shout em down!) I look uncannily like a
> great aunt of mine who died in 1916.
>
> Anybody else? Til later, Penny
>
> ==== CECIL Mailing List ====
> Cecil list for the surnames Cecil, Cissell, Cisal, Sessell, Sesil, and all other variation.
From: Jerry Harvey <jr(a)qn.net>
There are pictures of William Cecil, Thomas his son with Mary Cheke, and
Robert his son with Mildred Cooke in "Life at Burghley" :restoring one of
England's great houses by Leatham, Victoria . Thomas is my 10 great
grandfather. Sandy Harvey
-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Jones <rjones(a)charweb.org>
To: CECIL-L(a)rootsweb.com <CECIL-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Sunday, December 13, 1998 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: What do Cecils look like?
>From: Pence234(a)aol.com
>
>Since we can't get together and have a big party this year, I though that
I'd
>ask all us something-cousins to describe family appearance. I've done this
in
>other groups, and it was fun. For example: My Willette french-canadian
line
>is small, dark, chatty, bad tempered, and often has extra front teeth which
>must be pulled (ouch! I was lucky to escape that one but my sister had
them).
>My Francis line has prematurely white hair, baggy eyes, and sweet
>temperaments.
>
>The earliest description that I have is of a Cecil great something uncle
who
>was a Union Officer during the Civil War. His brother, my great something
>grandpa, was in the Confederate army. Anyway, this uncle is described as
fair
>haired, gray eyed, and 5'6. My Cecil line, back to great grandparents,
tends
>to be tall, fair-skinned, gray to blue eyed, light brown hair. The men are
>handsome, loud, funny, attractive to women (alas for some) and somewhat
>unreliable. The women have high cheekbones, and are strong willed, tall,
>slender, outspoken, fiercely loyal. The family has been quite musical,
>energetic and restless. Patience is not one of their strong suits. The
>family takes religion seriously, and has produced Methodists, Mormons,
>Catholics, Jehovah's Witnesses, and neo pagans. Most are Democrats but
social
>conservatives.
>
>My earliest photo of a Cecil is that of William Hiram, my great
grandfather.
>He was born 1848 in Arkansas, died in Garvin County, Oklahoma 1911. He was
>described to me as a "stiff old Englishman," odd...after a couple hundred
>years in the US! He has a square, determined face which I have seen on
>several of my uncles and cousins. Can't tell his coloring.
>
>Anyway--I thought that it might be fun to talk about what Cecils look like!
I
>know that we are highly diluted, but it is fascinating how traits keep
passing
>down! I have the high cheekbones, lack of patience, loud voice, fair skin,
>gray/blue eyes of the Cecils. I have prematurely white hair (since my
20s),
>baggy eyes from the Francis side, ability to chat forever, and lots of
loyalty
>(some say I'm stubborn...but I'll shout em down!) I look uncannily like a
>great aunt of mine who died in 1916.
>
>Anybody else? Til later, Penny
>
>
>==== CECIL Mailing List ====
>Cecil list for the surnames Cecil, Cissell, Cisal, Sessell, Sesil, and all
other variation.
From: Pence234(a)aol.com
Since we can't get together and have a big party this year, I though that I'd
ask all us something-cousins to describe family appearance. I've done this in
other groups, and it was fun. For example: My Willette french-canadian line
is small, dark, chatty, bad tempered, and often has extra front teeth which
must be pulled (ouch! I was lucky to escape that one but my sister had them).
My Francis line has prematurely white hair, baggy eyes, and sweet
temperaments.
The earliest description that I have is of a Cecil great something uncle who
was a Union Officer during the Civil War. His brother, my great something
grandpa, was in the Confederate army. Anyway, this uncle is described as fair
haired, gray eyed, and 5'6. My Cecil line, back to great grandparents, tends
to be tall, fair-skinned, gray to blue eyed, light brown hair. The men are
handsome, loud, funny, attractive to women (alas for some) and somewhat
unreliable. The women have high cheekbones, and are strong willed, tall,
slender, outspoken, fiercely loyal. The family has been quite musical,
energetic and restless. Patience is not one of their strong suits. The
family takes religion seriously, and has produced Methodists, Mormons,
Catholics, Jehovah's Witnesses, and neo pagans. Most are Democrats but social
conservatives.
My earliest photo of a Cecil is that of William Hiram, my great grandfather.
He was born 1848 in Arkansas, died in Garvin County, Oklahoma 1911. He was
described to me as a "stiff old Englishman," odd...after a couple hundred
years in the US! He has a square, determined face which I have seen on
several of my uncles and cousins. Can't tell his coloring.
Anyway--I thought that it might be fun to talk about what Cecils look like! I
know that we are highly diluted, but it is fascinating how traits keep passing
down! I have the high cheekbones, lack of patience, loud voice, fair skin,
gray/blue eyes of the Cecils. I have prematurely white hair (since my 20s),
baggy eyes from the Francis side, ability to chat forever, and lots of loyalty
(some say I'm stubborn...but I'll shout em down!) I look uncannily like a
great aunt of mine who died in 1916.
Anybody else? Til later, Penny
I wish to correspond with any subscribers descended from Samuel Cecil (born
1786 in VA the son of Benjamin Sollers Cecil) and his second wife, Jane
Chrisman (b.1788).
Charles Ward
CMW12635(a)aol.com
From: Paul and Dorothy Tobler <tobler(a)hctc.net>
Don and all:
I have never been very satisfied about the Rev. Jacob Henderson and his
marriage to the widow of Mareen Duval, the widow of Henry Ridgely and then
married to Jacob Henderson. The Rev. Jacob Henderson seems to have been
too old to have baptized Rebecca White in 1723. and the woman named Mary
Stanton? was born in 1652. This seems to me to be a bit of a strain of
the norm for those years. Don't know whether this church was the Holy Trinity
Church or the St. Barnabas, Qn Anne Parish, Prince George, MD but never the
less it seems rather far fetched and have never put in my data base.
I am aware that these things have been believed for a long time and there
are many referances to this. Personally I do not think it is true. Mrs
Jourdan has been known to be faulty just as all of us are.
It may be a different Mary Duvall Ridgely perhaps and if so am at a loss to
figure out who she may have been. Under the assumption that since you live
nearby you could help clarify this. Hopefully the church records can verify
who exactly Mary Duvall Ridgely was. Seems that she was originally Mary
Stanton who was born 1652. I do not show her parents, only that she was
md several times.
It seems that the Duvall, Oxenbridge, White, Witten, and Cecil families
among others were were very close for centuries. They seem to have been
Quaker's,
Puritan's, Catholic's, and most everything in between. Most of these
families were in the New England "Mayflower" (areas that missed their mark by
500 miles or so) and in the Virginia area.
The Oxenbridge family tree insists that they married into the Cecil family.
Your favorite author Elise Jourdan along with Ball simply have not touched
upon this subject and sometimes they are faulty. Timothy O'Rourke is good
and he does not touch it either. At this time I don't have any idea who is
correct or if all are in their own way.
Thank You, Paul
==================================================
At 11:47 AM 12/4/98 -0500, you wrote:
>From: Don Wallace <w420(a)access.digex.net>
>To: pence234(a)aol.com
>
>Penny, I just finished your piece, "Knowledge, Assumption and Speculation
>On William Cecil (b. ca 1666?)." I found it on Randy Jones' website. It
>sets the table nicely for anyone that wants to follow up and extends Elise
>Greenup Jourdan's own authoritative review.
>
>I wondered for a time where the Cecil news group was headed with
>speculation about the connection between the Cecils of Calvert County and
>the Cecils of Prince George's County, but it seems to have settled nicely.
>I regretted that I had so little constructive to add to the discussion.
>
>I corresponded with Mrs. Jourdan at the time I purchased her book. She
>sent a letter that raised issues about the White family from which the
>Rebecca White that married Samuel Cecil descended. Are you familiar with
>that discussion and its resolution?
>
>"Samuel W. Cecil was wed to Rebecca White, who was christened in Queen
>Ann's parish by Rev. Jacob Henderson, who wed the widow of Mareen Duvall
>the Immigrant, Mary Duvall Ridgely. It is assumed that Mareen's son, Mareen
>the Elder, was the one to whom William Cecil bound his children."
>
>Just to clarify, I descend from Samuel Cecil through two of his children,
>Malinda and John. This material is well worked out except for the
>collaterals. I have lived in Prince George's Co. since 1976 and had lived
>here for years before I realized the "Queen Anne's Parish" of family
>genealogy was a part of this county, or that the Episcopal Church that I
>frequently drove by was of the parish of Rebecca White.
>
>If coincidence is meaningful, the Wallaces witnessing the inventory of
>William Cecil were almost certainly kin of my Eastern Shore Wallaces.
>These families did move about.
>
>We have corresponded before. Your "pence234" is as striking as my "w420."
>I chose my alias because I didn't want to keep writing Wallace. That was
>in the early 90s when I first signed up for the net.. Not much reason to
>change now. My recollection is that I asked if you were a Pence
>descendant.
>
>
>Don Wallace
>w420(a)access.digex.net
>
>
>
>
>
Please visit our home page at
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Garage/3778/index.html
From: Don Wallace <w420(a)access.digex.net>
To: pence234(a)aol.com
Penny, I just finished your piece, "Knowledge, Assumption and Speculation
On William Cecil (b. ca 1666?)." I found it on Randy Jones' website. It
sets the table nicely for anyone that wants to follow up and extends Elise
Greenup Jourdan's own authoritative review.
I wondered for a time where the Cecil news group was headed with
speculation about the connection between the Cecils of Calvert County and
the Cecils of Prince George's County, but it seems to have settled nicely.
I regretted that I had so little constructive to add to the discussion.
I corresponded with Mrs. Jourdan at the time I purchased her book. She
sent a letter that raised issues about the White family from which the
Rebecca White that married Samuel Cecil descended. Are you familiar with
that discussion and its resolution?
"Samuel W. Cecil was wed to Rebecca White, who was christened in Queen
Ann's parish by Rev. Jacob Henderson, who wed the widow of Mareen Duvall
the Immigrant, Mary Duvall Ridgely. It is assumed that Mareen's son, Mareen
the Elder, was the one to whom William Cecil bound his children."
Just to clarify, I descend from Samuel Cecil through two of his children,
Malinda and John. This material is well worked out except for the
collaterals. I have lived in Prince George's Co. since 1976 and had lived
here for years before I realized the "Queen Anne's Parish" of family
genealogy was a part of this county, or that the Episcopal Church that I
frequently drove by was of the parish of Rebecca White.
If coincidence is meaningful, the Wallaces witnessing the inventory of
William Cecil were almost certainly kin of my Eastern Shore Wallaces.
These families did move about.
We have corresponded before. Your "pence234" is as striking as my "w420."
I chose my alias because I didn't want to keep writing Wallace. That was
in the early 90s when I first signed up for the net.. Not much reason to
change now. My recollection is that I asked if you were a Pence
descendant.
Don Wallace
w420(a)access.digex.net
Walt -
Your points are well-taken. I do not know where I got the death date for
Susannah. I am removing it and also adding Penny's excellent notes on her.
Thanks for your input.
Randy Jones
-----Original Message-----
From: Morrow, Walt <wmorrow(a)nvl.army.mil>
To: R. Jones (E-mail) <rjones(a)charweb.org>; Doc Cottle (E-mail)
<DOCOTTLE(a)UKCC.uky.edu>
Date: Wednesday, December 02, 1998 8:53 AM
Subject: Cecil
>Some time back I noted some information on your Charlottes Webb Site
>regarding:
> Susannah Cecil daughter of William Cecil of Prince George's Co MD.
>Your data notes she was born Jan 1695/96 Queen Anne's Parish, Prince
>George County MD and states further her death to be abt 1790 showing
>reference [S1].
>We have always been at a loss to find any record of Susannah following
>the date when she and her older brothers Phillip and John Cecil were
>given over to Mareen Duvall (The Elder)'s custody to raise until they
>came of age. John and Phillips families are pretty well documented
>through the research of Walter V. Ball, Mrs M.W. Millikan, Mrs Koch, Dr
>Arthur Cecil, William Cecil Pendleton et al. But no record of Susannah
>beyond the custody transfer when she was age two yrs has been found.
>Where does your information derive from? What is reference[S1]? And, how
>do I access Charlotte's Webb site as I don't seem to be able to find it?
>My theories about Susannah are (1) She died very young hence no further
>record.......no one has found a burial record. (2) She married away
>from P.G. and Frederick Counties and we have been looking in the wrong
>place or there is no formal record. (3) Unlike her two brothers who were
>older and established more or less in their Cecil surname and who had a
>relatively close association with their father for many years, Susannah
>was only two. It could be that she was literally adopted by Mareen Duval
>the Elder and raised as his daughter, later marrying as Susannah Duvall,
>not Susannah Cecil. I am inclined toward sol'n (1) but believe (2) to be
>quite possible and a fait accomplis before the boys John and Phillip
>were old enough to contest such an action. Perhaps the Cecil's and
>Duvall's were otherwise related...William deceased wife a Duval???? It
>all remains in the realm of speculation so for thus I would welcome
>comments, discussion on this. Thanks
> Walt Morrow
>
>Doc: Sent you some information on this by snail mail over Thanksgiving
>weekend...you should have it by now. Hope it is a digestable as the
>Thanksgiving Turkey.....Walt
>
From: Don Wallace <w420(a)access.digex.net>
To: pence234(a)aol.com
Penny, I just finished your piece, "Knowledge, Assumption and Speculation
On William Cecil (b. ca 1666?)." I found it on Randy Jones' website. It
sets the table nicely for anyone that wants to follow up and extends Elise
Greenup Jourdan's own authoritative review.
I wondered for a time where the Cecil news group was headed with
speculation about the connection between the Cecils of Calvert County and
the Cecils of Prince George's County, but it seems to have settled nicely.
I regretted that I had so little constructive to add to the discussion.
I corresponded with Mrs. Jourdan at the time I purchased her book. She
sent a letter that raised issues about the White family from which the
Rebecca White that married Samuel Cecil descended. Are you familiar with
that discussion and its resolution?
"Samuel W. Cecil was wed to Rebecca White, who was christened in Queen
Ann's parish by Rev. Jacob Henderson, who wed the widow of Mareen Duvall
the Immigrant, Mary Duvall Ridgely. It is assumed that Mareen's son, Mareen
the Elder, was the one to whom William Cecil bound his children."
Just to clarify, I descend from Samuel Cecil through two of his children,
Malinda and John. This material is well worked out except for the
collaterals. I have lived in Prince George's Co. since 1976 and had lived
here for years before I realized the "Queen Anne's Parish" of family
genealogy was a part of this county, or that the Episcopal Church that I
frequently drove by was of the parish of Rebecca White.
If coincidence is meaningful, the Wallaces witnessing the inventory of
William Cecil were almost certainly kin of my Eastern Shore Wallaces.
These families did move about.
We have corresponded before. Your "pence234" is as striking as my "w420."
I chose my alias because I didn't want to keep writing Wallace. That was
in the early 90s when I first signed up for the net.. Not much reason to
change now. My recollection is that I asked if you were a Pence
descendant.
Don Wallace
w420(a)access.digex.net
From: Morrow, Walt <wmorrow(a)nvl.army.mil>
Thanks for all the feedback...I have been muddling around with some of
these families for over 30 years now concentrating on the descendants of
Samuel Cecil and Katie Peavyhouse, Benjamin Sollers Cecil and Priscilla
Boyleston in Wayne and Cumberland Cos in KY and Scott Co TN. Please keep
me in mind if anything pops up on William and Susannah. I have also been
recently intrigued by the revelation that the Wittens (Thomas etc) met
up with Cecils in Barbados before Thomas married Elizabeth Cecil (often
noted as daughter of John Cecil and Elizabeth Sollers Cecil....but
Walter V. Ball research strongly suggests she was daughter of John's
brother Phillip and went to live with John following her father
Phillip's death in Maryland.
Thanks again,
Walt
-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Jones [SMTP:rjones@charweb.org]
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 1998 9:33 PM
To: Morrow Walt
Subject: Re: Cecil (fwd)
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 08:58:04 -0600
From: Paul and Dorothy Tobler <tobler(a)hctc.net>
To: Randy Jones <rjones(a)charweb.org>
Subject: Re: Cecil (fwd)
At 03:04 PM 12/2/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Comments Anyone?
>******************************************************************
This is about all I have found in more than 12 years of research
on these
families. Also have had available some private books of
research done by
the Duval families, therefore feel nothing else will be found.
However
you never can tell when something new may surface.
Another thing that muddies the situation is that apparently
Mareen, Elder
got into very tough financial times and wound up in debtor's
prison later
on.
My personal thoughts are that Susan must have died at a very
young age since
much research has been done by hundreds/thousands? of searchers
on this.
Till later, Paul
====================================================
Below is quoted from WFT Vol 6 #3939
++++++
NAME OF HIS WIFE IS UNKNOWN, SHE DIED IN MARCH 1697, PRINCE
GEORGE'S CO.,
MD. NAMED SPELLED AS "SESSEL" IN THE RECORDS OF THAT DAY. FROM
THE BOOK
"THE DARST'S OF DUBLIN": ACCORDING TO TRADITION, WILLIAM CECIL
WAS A
DECENDANT OF THOMAS CECIL, 1ST EARL OF EXETER, WHOSE ANCESTOR
WAS SIR
ROBERT AN SICELT, A NOTED WELSHMAN WHO PARTICIPATED IN THE
CONQUEST OF
SOUTH WALES IN 1016.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
---------------------------------------
Information from Penny Cecil BLOODHART Pence234(a)aol.com 4 APR
97.
"In March of 1697/98 as recorded in the annals of Prince
Georges's
County, A William Cecil (SESSELL) "by the request of my wife as
she lay upon
her deathbed" disposed of his children John, age 7, Phillip, age
5, and
Susan, age 2, to Mareen DUVAL (the Elder) and his wife"
See DUVALL, Mareen Vol 7 WFT 1213
------------------------------------------------
From Vol 10 WFT 1023 and Vol 10 WFT 166 information that
a witness to this
was another family member named Alexander Beall NOTE: An
Alexander Beall
s/o Alexander Bell and Margaret Ramsey was born 10 Nov 1649, St.
Andrews,
Fife Co., Scotland and died 1744 in Prince George's Co., MD.
His wife
was Elizabeth Coombes Dick and they md abt 1684.
------------------------------------------------
From Vol 10 WFT 1023
3-19-1697 court document showing he signed for Mareen Duvall to
raise his
children, Annapolis Md, winess was Alexander Beall (another
relative)
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----
-----------------------
Apparently these children were raised by:
Mareen DUVALL, Elder b: 1661 d: 1740
(wife appears to be Frances SOCKETT), 1st wife
(Vol 7 WFT 1213) son of Mareen DUVALL b: 1629 Laval, France.
Frances SOCKETT was famous for her love affair with Dr. Richard
PILES
(which ended up in court). Dr PILES was a buddy of William
CECIL and
testified at one of the trials of Wm. and he also was witness to
Wm
CECIL's will.
--------------
The children appear to have retained their birth name of
Cecil/SESSELL or
CISSELL.
------------------
>From Vol 10 WFT 936
In March 1697/98 William Cecil appeared before the commissioners
in Prince
George's County Court Maryland in order to "dispose of his
children to
Maureen Douall (Duvall) and his heirs till they are of age".
His three
children at the time were: John age 7, Phillip age 5 and
Suzannah age 2.
This action apparently of a request by his wife as she lay on
her deathbed
and because of William's inability to financially support the
children. In
March 1707/06, William Cecell, age 40, gave a deposition in
Prince George's
Court (so birthdate can be placed about 1665/66). In November
1732,
William, age 67, petitioned Prince George's court: "having
grown very
infirm and weak and dim sighted which renders him incapable of
getting his
livlihood, it is humbly prayed that your Worships will favorably
consider
him by letting him be levy-free for time to come." It was
ordered by the
court that "the petitioner be levy-free for the future." In
July 1749, the
inventory of the estate of William Ceceal, deceased, was
approved in the
Fredrick County Court, leaving no land, one negro boy, one negro
woman, one
horse, one mare, one gun, one saddle, one bridle, two axes,
wearing
apparel, beds, bedding, furniture etc., value 113 pounds and 13
shillings.
The boundary lines for Fredrick County were established when it
was created
out of Prince George's County in 1748. William's county of
residence
changed but he did not move physically. This was the year
before his death.
William may have been born in Pennsylvania in 1663.
-----------------------
Now this about William's supposed father William brother of John
Immigrant
of 1658.
------------
>From the book "Colonial Settlers, St. Clement's Bay 1734-1780,
St. Mary's
County, Maryland" by Mary Louise Donnelly, states "John Cissell
(Cecil), a
Catholic, immigrated to the Province of Maryland in 1658 from
Wales,
England (Patents 4:29). He married Mary_______. Upon his arrival
John Cissell purchased 100 acres of "Cadloe" as did his brother
William,
which was patented on 11/4/1650 for Joseph Cadloe, who died in
1652. John
Cissell also obtained 100 acres of "Long Neck" which on
6/10/1681 had been
surveyed for John Addison who moved to Prince George's County.
----------------------------
==============================================
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>From: Morrow, Walt <wmorrow(a)nvl.army.mil>
>Subject: Cecil
>
>Some time back I noted some information on your Charlottes Webb
Site
>regarding:
> Susannah Cecil daughter of William Cecil of Prince
George's Co MD.
>Your data notes she was born Jan 1695/96 Queen Anne's Parish,
Prince
>George County MD and states further her death to be abt 1790
showing
>reference [S1].
>We have always been at a loss to find any record of Susannah
following
>the date when she and her older brothers Phillip and John Cecil
were
>given over to Mareen Duvall (The Elder)'s custody to raise
until they
>came of age. John and Phillips families are pretty well
documented
>through the research of Walter V. Ball, Mrs M.W. Millikan, Mrs
Koch, Dr
>Arthur Cecil, William Cecil Pendleton et al. But no record of
Susannah
>beyond the custody transfer when she was age two yrs has been
found.
>Where does your information derive from? What is reference[S1]?
And, how
>do I access Charlotte's Webb site as I don't seem to be able to
find it?
>My theories about Susannah are (1) She died very young hence no
further
>record.......no one has found a burial record. (2) She married
away
>from P.G. and Frederick Counties and we have been looking in
the wrong
>place or there is no formal record. (3) Unlike her two brothers
who were
>older and established more or less in their Cecil surname and
who had a
>relatively close association with their father for many years,
Susannah
>was only two. It could be that she was literally adopted by
Mareen Duval
>the Elder and raised as his daughter, later marrying as
Susannah Duvall,
>not Susannah Cecil. I am inclined toward sol'n (1) but believe
(2) to be
>quite possible and a fait accomplis before the boys John and
Phillip
>were old enough to contest such an action. Perhaps the Cecil's
and
>Duvall's were otherwise related...William deceased wife a
Duval???? It
>all remains in the realm of speculation so for thus I would
welcome
>comments, discussion on this. Thanks
> Walt Morrow
>
>Doc: Sent you some information on this by snail mail over
Thanksgiving
>weekend...you should have it by now. Hope it is a digestable as
the
>Thanksgiving Turkey.....Walt
>
>
>
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To: rjones(a)charweb.org
In a message dated 12/3/98 6:39:54 PM Pacific Standard Time,
rjones(a)charweb.org writes:
<<
Frances SOCKETT was famous for her love affair with Dr. Richard PILES
(which ended up in court). Dr PILES was a buddy of William CECIL and
testified at one of the trials of Wm. and he also was witness to Wm
CECIL's will.
- >>
Hi Paul; Still going over your stuff. Just a couple of nitpicks here--it is
STOCKETT, not SOCKETT. Also Wm witnessed the will of Dr. Richard Pile and his
son William Pile. I don't think that we have any record of a will from
William Cecil. There is an inventory, but no will (alas). Til later, Penny
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From: Paul and Dorothy Tobler <tobler(a)hctc.net>
There has been new information found opening the possiblity that
Susan Oxenbridge was the d/o Robert 'Fogg' Oxenbridge and Barbara White
(possible) d/o Thomas White (possible) s/o Thomas White that md Agnes Cecil
d/o Richard Cecil, First Lord. Agnes Cecil sibling of William Cecil, Lord
Burghley Baron. This information comes primarily from the Oxenbridge
pedigree.
Melissa Alexander found this from.
----------------------------------
Sources are:
Oxenbridge Pedigree Medievel Chart provided by Peter Bales, Australia
www.ros.com.au/~bfairhall/brede.htm
Penfolds Pedigrees of Sussex, Suses Arch. Coll VIII, Harlequin papers, and
Sussex Chronicles. P.B.O. 1998
----------------------------------
I have not been able to confirm these relationships thru the Brian Tompsett
information online at Hull University at this time nor by other means. At
this time is is mostly speculative. Anyone who has means or books covering
the period hopefully will get busy and check out the Thomas White's of England
in order to confirm or deny this possibility. Burke's probably won't show any
information on this. Susan Oxenbridge was married first to Edward Cason about
3 years and then in 1634 md second time to Sir Thomas Cecil.
What makes this extremely interesting is that John de Oxenbridge, of Village
of Brede was Jurer 1329 and 1341 there. The Manor of Brede was granted to
the Abbey of Fecamp about 1031, and the Benedictine monks from Normandy
occupied it until about 1416. Laurence, the first Parson of Brede, arrived
from Normandy in 1190. The church has expanded since the first Norman
church was built, but the pillars of the south arcade of the nave are still
Transitional Norman work of c. 1180. This would help explain the strong
"French" connection with the Duvals.
Till later, Paul
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According to Elise Greenup Jourdan, nothing has been determined to date
regarding his ancestors. He does appear to be connected to the Catholic
Cissell's in SMC, MD. He had some education as he could write his name. He
lived with Dr. Richard Pile in 1706/1707, a member of PGC, MD gentry. He
was Protestant and bound his children to a Protestant family. There are no
indications he owned land. He stated that it was his wife's deathbed
request that the children be bound to Mr. Mareen Duvall-probably because his
wife knew him to be unwilling or incapable of caring for the children.
Duvall researchers have not come up with any blood or marriage link between
the Cecil and Duvall families. It was said he was know to associate with
disreputable character. Dr. Pile does not seem to be a very nice man
either. William did have servants, a horse and nice things. By mid 1700's
he appears to have been living with a grandchild in Frederick Co, MD
William CECIL
[S23]
BIRTH: ABT 1665
DEATH: JUL 1749, Frederick Co., MD
Family 1: Mary
MARRIAGE: ABT 1688
John CECIL
Phillip CECIL
Susannah CECIL
Notes
from Elise Jourdan's book:
"Greenup Witten Cecil" (Gateway Press 1989) regarding our William:
"..There were at least two distinct lines of Maryland Cecils: The Catholic
Cecils of St. Mary's County and the Protestant Cecils of Prince George's
County. William Cecil, ancestor of at least part of the line which
intermarried with the Witten and Greenup lines, was a Protestant. These
Cecils all came from England where Cecil was not an unusual name and some
Cecils were quite prominent and close to the crown. Sir Thomas Cecil, the
London Engraver, was given a vast tract of land in Maryland for making the
first map of the colony in 1638. His landholdings in St. Mary's County were
managed by his son, John Cecil, who is believed to have married a
Calvert..." From p. 224 of her book.
In March of 1697/98 as recorded in the annals of Prince George's County, a
William Cecil (Sessell) "...by the request of my wife as she lay upon her
deathbed" disposed of his children John, age 7, Phillip, age 5 and Susan,
age 2, to Mareen Duval (the Elder) and his wife.
Proposed parents of William:
John CECIL(b.1620 d.6-Jun-1698) who m.c.1683 in VA Mary (______). This is
unproven, and the William who was the son of John (b.1620) died c.1744, so
the link to the Prince George's Cecils to the St. Mary's Cecil's is
unlikely.
John CECIL(b.c.1635 d.6-Jun 1698) who m.c.1664 Mary SHIRCLIFF. This John was
the son or Sir Thomas and Susan (Oxenbridge) CECIL. Is this the same John as
the prior one?
Our William Cecil (or Sessell) appears in Prince George's County and later
Frederick County (created from PGC) on several occasions from 1697 to 1749.
This William was a witness in a trial in PGC in March of 1706, donated 50
pounds of tobacco to Queen Anne's Parish (Anglican) in 1708, and was
involved in other court documents in 1710, 1714 and 1729. He witnessed wills
in 1731 and 1732. His estate was probated in 1749, and grandchildren Thomas,
Sabret and Samuel were administrators. These grandchildren are sons of John
and Elizabeth (Sollars) Cecil.
Both William Cecil and William Cissell had sons named John. John Cecil
married Elizabeth Sollars, who survived him at his death in 1759 per his
will. John Cissell married an Elizabeth also, but this John died in 1742,
and his widow married one Charles Neale.
We haven't a shred of evidence about who William Cecil married, what he did,
or where he came from. (Lots of IDEAS but no proof!! :>).
http://www.charweb.org/gen/whitten/d0003/g0000032.htm#I2According to Elise
Greenup Jourdan, nothing has been determined to date regarding his
ancestors. He does appear to be connected to the Catholic Cissell's in SMC,
MD. He had some education as he could write his name. He lived with Dr.
Richard Pile in 1706/1707, a member of PGC, MD gentry. He was Protestant
and bound his children to a Protestant family. There are no indications he
owned land. He stated that it was his wife's deathbed request that the
children be bound to Mr. Mareen Duvall-probably because his wife knew him to
be unwilling or incapable of caring for the children. Duvall researchers
have not come up with any blood or marriage link between the Cecil and
Duvall families. It was said he was know to associate with disreputable
character. Dr. Pile does not seem to be a very nice man either. William
did have servants, a horse and nice things. By mid 1700's he appears to
have been living with a grandchild in Frederick Co, MD
William CECIL
[S23]
BIRTH: ABT 1665
DEATH: JUL 1749, Frederick Co., MD
Family 1: Mary
MARRIAGE: ABT 1688
John CECIL
Phillip CECIL
Susannah CECIL
Notes
from Elise Jourdan's book:
"Greenup Witten Cecil" (Gateway Press 1989) regarding our William:
"..There were at least two distinct lines of Maryland Cecils: The Catholic
Cecils of St. Mary's County and the Protestant Cecils of Prince George's
County. William Cecil, ancestor of at least part of the line which
intermarried with the Witten and Greenup lines, was a Protestant. These
Cecils all came from England where Cecil was not an unusual name and some
Cecils were quite prominent and close to the crown. Sir Thomas Cecil, the
London Engraver, was given a vast tract of land in Maryland for making the
first map of the colony in 1638. His landholdings in St. Mary's County were
managed by his son, John Cecil, who is believed to have married a
Calvert..." From p. 224 of her book.
In March of 1697/98 as recorded in the annals of Prince George's County, a
William Cecil (Sessell) "...by the request of my wife as she lay upon her
deathbed" disposed of his children John, age 7, Phillip, age 5 and Susan,
age 2, to Mareen Duval (the Elder) and his wife.
Proposed parents of William:
John CECIL(b.1620 d.6-Jun-1698) who m.c.1683 in VA Mary (______). This is
unproven, and the William who was the son of John (b.1620) died c.1744, so
the link to the Prince George's Cecils to the St. Mary's Cecil's is
unlikely.
John CECIL(b.c.1635 d.6-Jun 1698) who m.c.1664 Mary SHIRCLIFF. This John was
the son or Sir Thomas and Susan (Oxenbridge) CECIL. Is this the same John as
the prior one?
Our William Cecil (or Sessell) appears in Prince George's County and later
Frederick County (created from PGC) on several occasions from 1697 to 1749.
This William was a witness in a trial in PGC in March of 1706, donated 50
pounds of tobacco to Queen Anne's Parish (Anglican) in 1708, and was
involved in other court documents in 1710, 1714 and 1729. He witnessed wills
in 1731 and 1732. His estate was probated in 1749, and grandchildren Thomas,
Sabret and Samuel were administrators. These grandchildren are sons of John
and Elizabeth (Sollars) Cecil.
Both William Cecil and William Cissell had sons named John. John Cecil
married Elizabeth Sollars, who survived him at his death in 1759 per his
will. John Cissell married an Elizabeth also, but this John died in 1742,
and his widow married one Charles Neale.
We haven't a shred of evidence about who William Cecil married, what he did,
or where he came from. (Lots of IDEAS but no proof!! :>).
http://www.charweb.org/gen/whitten/d0003/g0000032.htm#I2
Melissa Thompson Alexander
www.familytreemaker.com/users/a/l/e/Melissa-T-Alexander/
-----Original Message-----
From: THEGRUG(a)aol.com [mailto:THEGRUG@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 1998 9:10 PM
To: CECIL-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: William Cecil???
Looking for William Cecil b. abt 1665, possibly in Maryland. William had a
son named John Cecil. John married Elizabeth Sollars in 1718 in Prince
George
County, maryland. Elizabeth was born in 1696 in Calvert County, Maryland.
Can anyone help???
Jerry Grugin