Michael,after reviewing my notes, it appears that I don't have any specfic that
details his birth. I have included some notes by Jim Cave about this John CAVE.
Subject:
[CAVE] Re: JOHN CAVE AND ELIZABETH ANDREWS MID 1600'S
Date:
Fri, 5 Dec 2003 6:45:43 AM EST
From:
jimcave(a)bellsouth.net
To:
CAVE-L(a)rootsweb.com
I put the following together with help from Dorothy Brown Thompson now
deceased
ANCESTORS OF ROBERT (17??-1755) AND OTHER CONTEMPORARY CAVE'S
From the following records it can be presumed that John Cave ,
carpenter of
King and Queen County, owned land in Stafford County and died there in
1720 or 1721. Further, that he had sons John Jr. and David: That John Jr. died
without heirs before 1748. That the mother of these sons was a daughter of
George Andrews which George owned lots in Marlborough Town, Stafford
County. There is also some basis for believing that William Cave (d.1742) of
Stafford Co. was also a son of John Cave since David released the land that
had reverted to him after John Jr. died to Keene Withers who was married to
William Cave's daughter. Her father William had died before the land
transfer in 1748.
*1707/08/05 John Cave Stafford
John Cave of King and Queen Co., a carpenter of King and Queen County,
buys from Sampson Darrell, of Glocester Co., 300 acres of land in Stafford Co.
lying
and being on the south side of Potomack Creek and bounded as follows: Northerly
in Potomack Creek, Easterly with the lands of John Gorvey, Thomas Gregg, Wm.
Waught, Southerly and westerly with the lands of Giles Travers;
the said 300 acres of land being the one half of 600 acres sold by
Capt. Wm Heaberd to Capt. John Norgrove by deed dated the 6th day of March
1667.
Stafford Co. Deed Book Z, p384 Darrell release to Cave recorded 8 Oct 1707.
*1721 John Cave Stafford
"John Cave's will was dated August 6, 1714 and proved in 1721 at
Stafford County Court; it was recorded in now lost Will Book "K", page 2.
He devised 200 acres of land on Axton's Run and adjoining the property of
John Gowry and Giles Travers to his son John Cave but he "died so that the
above mentioned land fell and reverted to" David Cave of Orange County who
was joined by his wife Sarah in conveying the said property to Keene Withers
of Hamilton Parish, Prince William County, on September 12, 1748."
Quote above from The Register of Overwharton Parish by George H. S. King
Note: Keene Withers was the husband of Elizabeth Cave, only surviving child of
William Cave dec'd. William may have been next in line after John Jr dec'd to
inherit John 's(d.1721) land so David passed it on.
*The following from the papers of Mrs. Dorothy Brown Thompson:
Deed of Lease and Release dated 12 & 13 Sept. 1748 from David Cave & Sarah,
His wife of St. Thos. Parish, Orange , to Cain Withers of Hamilton Parish,
Prince William Co.-
"Whereas John Cave of Stafford Co. dec'd. did by his last will and testament
dated 6 Aug. 1714 give and bequeath to his son John Cave 200 acres of land
lying and being in Stafford County in Overwharton Parish bounding upon
Axton's Run and upon the lands of John Gore and upon the lands of Giles
Travers and the sd John Cave, son of the testator John, died so that the above
mentioned land fell and reverted to the said David Cave party to these presents"
Wit:John Hamilton, Charles Waller, Anthony Murray
Recorded Stafford Court 13 Sept. 1748...
*1737/07/27 John Cave Stafford
John Cave sells 3 lots in Marlborough town, Stafford Co to John Mercer. This
transaction is recorded in John Mercer's Land Book as follows: "This indenture
made the twenty seventh day of July in the year of our Lord God one thousand
seven hundred and twenty seven between John Cave of the county of Orange of
the one part and John Mercer of the county of Stafford of the other part
witnesseth that the said John Cave for and in consideration of the sum of five
shillings sterling to him in hand paid by the said John Mercer the receipt
whereof is here by acknowledged, hath granted bargained and sold and by
these present doth grant bargain and sell unto the said John Mercer all that
and those three lots or half acres of land suitable lying and being in
Marlboroughtown in the said county of Stafford known and distinguished in
the platt and survey of the said town made by Theodorick Bland surveyor of
the said county and recorded among the records of the said county by the
number s (8),! (9) and (11) which were made over and conveyed by Matthew
Thompson and John Withers gent. Feoffees of the said town to
George Andrews grandfather of the said John Cave whose heir the said
John Cave is.
In witness whereof the said John Cave hath hereunto set his hand
and seal the day month and year first above written.
s/ John Cave
Sealed and delivered in presence of us.
The above mentioned five shillings sterling being first paid.
Thomas Staine
Rawleigh Chinn
William Cave
James Mercer
At Above held for Stafford County te 13th 7ber 1737 the within lease from John
Cave to John Mercer was proved by the oathes of William Cave and Rawleigh
Chinn two of the subscribing witnesses thereto and admitted to record.
Test. H. Taylor"
In addition to John Jr., William and David mentioned above as possible sons of
John Cave and ____Andrews, there were other contemporaries in Stafford,
Spotsylvania and later Orange and Culpeper Counties who may also have been
sons. There were Benjamin, Robert, Thomas and Joseph. David, Benjamin
and Robert in particular were closely associated with one another in the
public records between 1720 and 1750 and gave sons these names. For example
David named sons David, Benjamin and Robert : Benjamin named sons
Benjamin, John, William, and David: Robert named sons Robert, John and
William.
In considering Benjamin who was to become Burgess from Orange County,
as a son of John Cave, one must reject the widely held premise that Benjamin
was the immigrant ancestor. For many years a chart assembled by an English
genealogist named Tyrrell was accepted as truth. This chart showed Benjamin
as the immigrant son of Rev. William Cave of Windsor, chaplain to Charles II,
and his wife Anna Stonehouse Cave. Rev. William Cave's will was cited in
support .
Mrs. Dorothy Brown Thompson, long time Cave family researcher , says in her
papers: "In 1957, through the London Society of Genealogists, I succeeded
[Dorothy Brown Thompson] in getting a photocopy of this will from the
Perogative Court of Canterbury. The will mentions daughters, a grandson,
a deceased son Ralph, but not any mention of Benjamin or any living son.
The will is long, detailed, meticulous. It seems most unlikely that he would
have omitted to mention a living son even if provided for, even if estranged.
At any rate, he did not; so Tyrrell's reference was false.
Benjamin' deposition, 1758 showshe was born 1703, which further
disproves this parentage: Anna (Stonehouse) Cave died 1691."
*According to George H.S. King in a report to Mrs D. B. Thompson 18 April 1967,
the deposition which establishes the birthyear of Benjamin the Burgess is filed
in the suit papers Crosthwait vs Crosthwait, Orange Co. VA Judgement File #17,
Papers of June Court 1759. According to the report the deposition reads in part
as follows: "Benjamin Cave Gent. Sworn & Examined in the suit Depending in
the County Court of Orange between Abraham Crosthwait Plaintiff and
William Crosthwait Defendant, in the presense and by Consent of the partis _
Deposeth and Saith, That he is about 55 years or thereabouts... That about the
time of Timothy Crosthwait purchasing the land in question from Hezekiah
Rhodes... &c: Benja, Cave
**John Cave (16__-1720) may or may not have been the immigrant.
Records such as Cavaliers and Pioneers and the St. Stephens Parish Register
indicate that there were earlier Cave's who could have been a prior generation.
-----Original Message-----
From: MDWW65(a)aol.com
To: cave(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 11:18 PM
Subject: Re: [CAVE] Who is YOUR oldest CAVE Ancestor?
Hi Judy:
Do you have any evidence that this John Cave was born 1675? He is clearly
related to Mary Cave, whose husband John Echols patented land with him in
1703.
Michael Walker
In a message dated 3/4/2007 2:00:37 AM Eastern Standard Time,
jsavgyll(a)netscape.net writes:
I believe that my oldest known Cave member is John CAVE, b 1675 and died
1720. He married abt 1689 to Elizabeth Andrews in Culpepper, Virginia. Judy
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