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Thomas:
Have you tried this source for the Amen Cemetery?
http://www.rootsweb.com/~cemetery/illinois.html
A volunteer will do lookups for Amen Cemetery (Concord Twp)
Jane
> How would I go about finding out if Jenny might be buried in the
Amen
>Cemetery, in Adams County Illinois, with her parents, but without a
>gravemarker? That was brought up to me today, which adds another
totally new
>roadblock to us.
>
>Thomas W. Rogers
>
>From the online California Death Index 1940-1997:
CAVES, Albert (Bert)
b. 11/27/1887 Illinois
d. 2/22/1968 Los Angeles, CA
age: 80
Social Sec. #338-14-7283
Mother's Maiden Name: Swisher
Hello
I have narrowed my search for my mother's grandfather's death to between
1890 and 1900. In 1890 my grandfather Martie Caves was born, and his father
Merit was alive at the time according to family. But by the 1900 Census,
Martie was residing in Adams County (listed as Martie Carr) with his
grandfather Absolum S. Swisher. So sometime between 1890 and 1900 there was
a fire in the Mark Twain National Forest, where, according to family stories,
Merit Cave died. His wife, Jenny, brought their son Martie to live with her
father in or before 1900, but after 1890. According to family, my
grandmother, Beulah (Simmons) Caves, Martie's wife, visited Absolum
Swisher's farm home near Kellerville, Adams County, in Illinois, shortly
after the birth of their first child in 1917. At that time, in 1917/18,
family says that my grandmother told everyone that it was the only time she
saw her husband's mother Jenny. So, Jenny (Swisher) Cave was still living in
1917/1918, and was in Adams County, Illinois. After that, none of the
families on either side know what happened to Jenny, or where she is buried.
There are several Cave(s) family individuals in Versailles Illinois and
an Ellen Spicer is known to have resided there, having some relationship to
Jenny. Since Absolum Swisher married Sarah E. Spicer, and their daughter
Jenny married Merit Cave, it (may) be possible that the Cave(s) of around
Versailles Illinois are related to this Merit Cave. I have not yet visited
the Versailles Illinois area, but it appears that is where I am headed next.
Sometime, I also need to get over to, or have help from somebody near Ottomwa
Iowa, to check on my grandfather's sister, who resided there at the least
from 1951 thru 1954 in a nice bungalow. This woman, my grandfather's sister,
is thought to have been only a half sister, named Mattie, so it may be that
why I am having such a trouble finding her is that her last name was
different at birth than that of the Caves, and, if she married even that name
was then changed.
How would I go about finding out if Jenny might be buried in the Amen
Cemetery, in Adams County Illinois, with her parents, but without a
gravemarker? That was brought up to me today, which adds another totally new
roadblock to us.
Thomas W. Rogers
Hello
There was a Ellen Spicer in Versaille Illinois (sometime in 1900's) who
was somehow related to the Swishers and Caves family of Adams County,
Illinois. This Ellen had three children: Leo Spicer, Violet Spicer and Loyd
Spicer.
In my continued effort to find out information for my mother, on my
mother's grandparents, Merit Cave and Jenny Swisher, I am having to search in
many locations. This is the result of the Caves family moving back and forth,
between several states. My mother's own brother James Martin Caves, better
known as Martin Cave, has moved back and forth between Illinois and
California repeatedly. Because of the fact the entire family appears to go
by both first and middle names, moving many times, it is extremely difficult
to follow the information.
My grandfather, Martie Caves had a sister, (possibly named Mattie) who
resided in Ottomwa Iowa in or about 1951. Martie Caves had a brother Bert
Caves who resided in Havanna Illinois, as well as Ottomwa Iowa and Quincy
Illinoiswho was a reknowned gambler, and who lived in Pekin Illinois in a
travel trailor on Mechanic Street at one time. Martie Caves married Beulah
Estella Simmons in 1915 in Knox County, and raised their family in Greenbush,
Warren County, Illinois. Later in life, in or around the late 1940's, Martie
Caves was residing with a woman in Burlington Iowa, at the time of his death
in 1954 from blood clots in his legs while on a train ride back from outwest.
I was born in 1954, so I never knew him at all. Just as my mother before me,
we never knew our grandfather's., so I know what it will mean to my mom to
find out where her grandparents, Merit Cave and Jenny, are buried.
Sarah E. Spicer, daughter of Sirilda Spicer, married Absolum S. Swisher
(A. S. Swisher) and resided on a farm near Kellerville, Adams County,
Illinois. My grandmother Jenny is Absolum S. Swisher's daughter, and it is
believed Jenny is daughter of Sarah E. Spicer due to when Sarah E. Spicer
died. Sarah E. Spicer died in 1872 and is buried on the farm of Absolum S.
Swisher, in what is now the Amen Cemetery, just outside Kellerville, Adams
County, Illinois.
Merit Cave and Jenny Swisher raised a son Charles A. Caves (named after
Charles F. Ashworth), age 2, born in Illinois, but raised in Butler
County/St. Clair County Missouri as in the 1880. Merit Cave, age 8, is in
the 1860 Census with a sister Josephine age 13, being raised by 22 year old
Charles F. Ashworth. Merit Cave is said to have been killed in a forrest
fire in the Mark Twain National Forest. This Charles F. Ashworth had married
a Caves, who I believe is the daughter of Merritt H. Cave who married
Catherine (Kitty) Rush in Monroe County in 1835.
Now, on June 23, 1872, I find a marriage between Meritt Cave and Fannie
Geary in Pettis County, Missouri, but have been unable to find out which
Merit Cave this is.
In the Rock Island Cemetery, there is a Charles Cave, L. E. 374 C ; a
Lucian Cave B 1860 Macoupin Co
that I would be interested in learning more about, since my mother's brother
Ernest (who won't share his genealogy on the family) had years ago told my
mother he went to a Cemetery in Rock Island.
Merit Cave, born abt 1852 and Jenny Swisher gave their children the added
(s) to their last name according to family stories.
Several of the Cave descendants are spread out in California, Kentucky,
Arizona, Illinois, Iowa and elsewhere. Many continue this moving to and fro
between several states. The Cave line that I am working on is one that I
personally believe holds the key to many Cave ancestry lines that are
fragmented and unknown. Because of the areas of Missouri and Southern
Illinois being so back country within those late 1800's and early 1900's that
it is difficult to locate records. Also, in Missouri, from what I am told of
several areas, Cemeteries are even now underwater. So to help many in the
family, besides my mother, I am attempting to communicate and work with as
many surnames as related, to attempt to find evidence of this family history.
I am on disability, making travel and genealogy very expensive for my low
income. But I have and continue to find bits and pieces of the information,
sharing it all here, hoping to find something that leads to finding where
Merit Cave and Jenny are buried.
Thomas W. Rogers
This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list.
Surnames: cave , caves
Classification: Birth
Message Board URL:
http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/EGI.2ACEB/325
Message Board Post:
Hi! I am a decendent of Joesph R. Cave, who was my grandfather, married to Iva Pearl Bilyeu in 1921, if there is anyone related to him I would like to hear from you. My father was Lester R. Cave. Contact me at Cloutiercave(a)yahoo.com
Thomas:
If no one on the list has a copy Midwest Pioneers 1600s-1800s
you could try a Google search. I found several entries, one of
which was BigTreeBooks.com offering a CD of the above for
$29.99.
Good luck.
Jane
Hello everyone! I hope you are all having a great Fall so far.
It has been very nice here in the Ohio Valley.
I understand how it is to try to find family and constantly running into
dead ends. But to know some family member has the information
and wont share it must be the hardest kind of research one can do.
Keep your eyes open to the requests made by Thomas W. Rogers
to help find this information for his dear Mother who wants only to know
about her family. Somewhere this information must be hiding and maybe
in our quests one of us will find it for him. I know I am always on the
look out for any CAVE information that might help others. Jane has been
kind to post lots of helpful CAVE information on the list.
Havent had much time to do a lot of research this summer, but if I do
find anything I will post it on our list.
Good Hunting!
Sue Ellen Cave Ash
Hello
Is there anyone on this list with a copy of the book, Midwest Pioneers
1600's - 1800 ? There is a story in this book about Merit H. Cave that I am
thrilled about, praying I can find. I just heard about this.
Thomas
Hello
Regardless which line of the Cave/Caves you research, please, read this.
The Kentucky Cave/Caves from Adair and Monroe Counties in the early
1800's. During anyone's research, have you noticed that Merit H. Cave
married Catherine (Kitty) Rush? The story goes that this Merit Cave went off
to the California Gold Rush and was never heard from again.
What I am on the trail of is his parents and descendants. Within several
counties in Missouri I find the name of Merit Cave/Merrit Cave/Merot Cave,
and found two wifes with the name of Catherine residing with Cave children,
but no husband on the Census. There are a couple of marriages in Missouri by
individuals named Merit Cave. But nobody knows anything about this line, or
is not talking. Records of that area are very elusive which makes matters
even worse.
In the 1860 Census of Missouri and again in the 1880 Census of Missouri
in Butler and St. Clair Counties, I find my great grandfather Merit Cave, who
I suspect is a child of Merit Cave and Catherine (Kitty) Rush. Merit Cave
is residing with his older sister Josphine, and Charles Ashworth in 1860. By
1880 Merit Cave is residing with his wife Jenny and his son Charles A. Caves
(named after Charles Ashworth the man who raised his father Merit), age 2,
born in Illinois, living in St. Clair County or Butler Co., Missouri. Where
Merit and Jenny are buried is a mystery. I've looked in Missouri, Kentucky,
Illinois and Iowa, then, even going to California since some descendants
ended up in California. But nothing can be found.
I believe that the Caves name came in when Merit Cave and Jenny gave
their children the added "S" to their names. I also believe that there were
Caves in Rock Island Illinois, Knox County, Illinois, Adams County Illinois,
Burlington Iowa, Brown County, Illinois and in St. Louis that all are
related. Within these individuals I am finding that the Caves name was
mispelled as Carr, misleading birthdates were given to clerks and names
middle names were used on documents. It is a real mess.
The one man who could help me, Ernest Caves of Galesburg Illinois,
appears entirely unwilling to share his 40 years of genealogy efforts with
what he considers is a non Caves individual, namely me. Even though my mom
is his sister, but he won't even give the information to my mother, his own
sister, because she is now a Rogers, no longer a Caves. He won't tell his
sister where their grandparents are buried, even though he knows a great deal
more than that, and is said to even have photo's of them, which we don't due
to a fire in the childhood home of my mother.
I'm on disability, on limited income, and working diligently to learn
something about these Caves for my mother, as well as myself. I only
recently, finally found out where my own grandfather grew up, and the grave
of his grandmother, but I have yet to find anything at all about my
grandfather's parents, Merit Cave and Jenny. The story goes that Merit Cave
died in the Mark Twain National Forrest, and for what ever reason, Jenny left
my grandfather Martie W. Caves with her father Absolum S. Swisher in Adams
County Illinois, on their farm near Kellerville Illinois. Where Jenny went
after that, I have not found even a clue.
All I am asking is that if you are at a Court House, you might watch for
the name of Merit Cave, and Jenny Swisher as being parents of children,
marriages or death records. I believe that somewhere in Missouri, Kentucky,
Iowa, or Illinois, in some elusive file, this information must exist.
Possibly in Havanna, Quincy, Timewell, Camp Point, Kellerville or Mt.
Sterling, Illinois, Burlington Iowa, Adams or Brown County Illinois, St.
Clair Missouri, Butler County, Missouri, Adair Co., or Monroe County
Kentucky,
some record is buried that might be found to help us. I've been trying to
make phone calls to living Cave/Caves individuals in many areas, hoping to
stumble blindly into a tid bit of information, but it is expensive this
genealogy, and being on disability it is difficult financially.
Well, now that I have bent your ear, this frustrated researcher will see
if I can get my day started.
Thomas W. Rogers
Hello
Is there anyone on the list who has researched information on the Cave(s)
in either Burlington Iowa or Rock Island's National Cemetery in Illinois?
I am on permanent disability, trying desperately, to find information on
our ancestry for my mother, now 83 and in frail health. I have done a great
deal online for others, but just can not seem to find much on my mother's
family line. My mothers own brother has researched the family for some 35
years or better, but won't even tell his own sister where their grandparents
are buried. And when I asked him, he said "I was not a Caves", so had no
business knowing.
Please help.
Thomas W. Rogers
Hello
Has anyone information on the Cave Families of Monroe and Adair County
Kentucky? Looking for Merit Cave. Somewhere, according to family history, in
the Mark Twain National Forrest, my grandfather Merit Cave was killed in a
forrest fire, possibly being buried in Missouri or Southern Illinois. I'm
running out of places to look and really need some help.
Thomas
GROOM BRIDE
CNTY DATE VOL/PAGE
LIC___________________________________________________________________________
_____________________________________________CAVE, ALONZO M
ECKART, ELLEN VERMILION 02/19/1875 D /7 280
CAVE, CHARLES E HACKLEY, CLARA L
GREENE 09/15/1889 0OF/0184 00002581CAVE, CHARLES R
RABER, KITTIE M COOK 11/06/1880 /
00049653CAVE, CYRUS N HURST, AMANDA H
MASON 12/24/1885 / 00001284CAVE, DOWNING H
RICE, JEMIMA R MACOUPIN 11/04/1851 4/
1724CAVE, E S FRENCH, MARGARET WARD
SHELBY 10/12/1892 2/ 83 CAVE, GEORGE
OGLE, M ALICE OGLE 05/31/1874 00C/
00004520CAVE, HENRY N NICHOLS, ALICE
VERMILION 06/11/1884 D /101 4522 CAVE, J C
CUNNINGHAM, ALVERDA ST. CLAIR 12/02/1902 /
00001900CAVE, JAMES CRUMP, SARAH
MACOUPIN 04/22/1836 1/ 238CAVE, JAMES A
HOLMES, MARY JANE VERMILION 10/17/1891 2 /219 9169
CAVE, JAMES A HINDMAN, JANE
MASON 02/09/1872 003/0011 00001693CAVE, JAMES A
TURNER, MARY LOGAN 12/11/1876 002/0186
00003941CAVE, JAMES A JONES, KATE MRS
FULTON 08/11/1896 00F/0198 00000177CAVE, JASPER
SISCO, MARGARET OGLE 05/28/1873 00C/
004305 5CAVE, JOHN ABBOTT, PHEBE C
SCHUYLER 12/24/1835 001/0038 00000323CAVE, JOHN E.
WIGGINS, WINNIE CASS 09/30/1897 056/
00006067CAVE, JOHN F (S/O THOMAS B & MARY A) PETERSON, MARY CAROLINE (D/O B
F) OGLE 09/18/1878 001/ 00005385CAVE, JOHN H
SHEFFIELD, LUCINA M MC HENRY 08/28/1864 A/ 74
2957CAVE, JOSIAH ARROWSMITH, CLARA E
WILL 08/03/1858 / 00000217CAVE, MICHAEL
CASSIDY, BRIDGET KNOX 06/06/1863 00B/0099
00005572CAVE, PASCHAL W PRICE, SARAH E
CASS 10/25/1871 III/ 56 2609CAVE, PETER
MARKS, SENLDA E KNOX 01/01/1862 B/ 76
4207CAVE, RICHARD BARTON, ELIZABETH
MASON 01/02/1860 A/2/0001 00000005CAVE, THOMAS
CONCORAN, BRIDGET KNOX 07/24/1864 00B/0120
00005913CAVE, THOMAS CARPENTER, LIBBY H
CHRISTIAN 04/13/1875 00B/0091 00003737CAVE, THOMAS H
PAULSEN, AMELIA COOK 02/24/1885 /
00089811CAVE, THOMAS H. SISSON, HATTIE
LA SALLE 03/09/1893 3 /215 7528 CAVE, THOMAS L
CLARK, ADA KNOX 04/08/1887 00F/0150
00008064CAVE, WILLARD A LEACH, MARY E
COOK 11/06/1880 / 00049654CAVE, WILLIAM
WATKINS, LILLIAN KANE 07/05/1888 000/0000
00005917CAVE, WILLIAM H LANE, LILLIE M
MASON 09/23/1887 / 00001536CAVE, WILLIAM H
SUITER, MARTHA M MONTGOMERY 02/10/1881 001/0058
00006697CAVE, WILLIAM J. CROCKER, MARTHA
JOHNSON 08/18/1842 00B/0182 CAVE, WILLIAM M
ADAMS, SARAH A PIATT 09/11/1895 00B/0141
00002367CAVE, WILLIAM T DOUGLASS, SARAH J
SANGAMON 12/04/1879 005/0263
Hello
I'm a frustrated researcher who is posting this in this way, hoping and
praying somebody might recognize some kind of a connection to this family
grouping of marriages. Please, if you see something familiar, let me know.
Eliza J. Turner married Robert M. Swisher in Adams County, Illinois on 4/91871
John Caves married Charolette M. Duffy in McLean Co, Illinois on 7/17/1853
Samuel E. Caves married Rebecca A. Shields in Fulton County, Illinois on
9/3/1867
Phillip Amen married Alice Kelly in Adams County Illinois on 4/11/1894
Elvina/Elvira Stevens married George Amen in Adams County Illinois on
5/15/1862
Henry Amen married Sarah Rebecca Humphry in Adams County Illinois on
11/16/1865
Joseph Amen married Martha Wear in Adams County Illinois on 4/10/1873
I found a Amen Cemetery in Adams County in Illinois that was founded in
1920, with individuals having been buried there back to 1872.
Thomas
This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list.
Surnames: Cave, Stanfield
Classification: Query
Message Board URL:
http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/EGI.2ACEB/324
Message Board Post:
Looking for the family of the late Thomas Cave born Bridgwater Somerset England c1884, died in c1951 in Vancouver. He had at least 4 children. The eldest daughter died in childbirth. Another daughter was Elsie Leard? who went to Saskatoon. There were also 2 sons, Bond and Alerne who changed their surname from Cave to Stanfield.Last known of in Sooke, Vancover Island.
Thomas was the son of William Cave born Middlesex c 1850 and Eliza James born in Bridgwater.
Also looking for family of Thomas brother Harry Cave, born c 1885 died c1953in Calgary, his wife was Emily Cave. They had a daughter Eileen and Grandchildren, Allen and Ted and Barb, living in 1981 in Edmonton.
Brother Fred Cave also went to Canada he died around 1954, possible in Victoria BC.
Many Thanks Heather.