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Surnames: caudle/Melungeon
Classification: Census
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In the 1860 federal census for Virginia there is listed in Lunenburg Co., Division:Pleasant Grove a family named Caudle who are listed as mulatto. They live on the property of Lucy Williams,66, farmer.They are: Dolly,age 44; Mary,age 27;Susan,age 16; William,age 11; Alick,age 7, July,age 6, and James, age 3. Earlier records show a James Caudle as having a number of slaves in Virginia and as recently as 1850 in Ashe Co.,NC. It would be difficult to ignore the possibility of a family, whose history goes back to earliest America, hasn't been endowed with the diversity of all of America's people.
Hi Everyone,
Here is one Caudill-Collins marriage.
Thanks Cousin B. J.,
Ramona
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From: <Joyboat840(a)aol.com>
To: <ramonawoods(a)earthlink.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: Caudell/Caudill/Caudle/Cordell
| I have a John Wm. Allen Caudill b. June 10, 1914, d. May 4, 1968 s/o Menifee
| Caudill and Emma Collins Caudill. John m. Chloie Trimble.
| BJ
|
Hi Barbara,
Curtis said he had a Caudill-Collins melungeon family connection on our board.
I asked that he post the information on those lines.
I am of the Caudill-Sturgill-Webb lines and have no Melugeon info.
I have heard stories of the Collins being of mixed-blood all my life. I have many Collins Cousins through my Smith-Osborne family lines-also mixed-blood lines.
I could not find a Collins-Caudill marriage in my files.
Does anyone have info on a Collins-Caudill marriage?
Thank you,
Ramona
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From: "Barbara Browning" <barbieab(a)earthlink.net>
To: <CAUDILL-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 12:23 PM
Subject: Caudell/Caudill/Caudle/Cordell
| I have read the exchange of information recently on melungeons. As one who has never heard the possibility of a connection to my family, I find that I am curious. The main thing I want to know at this point, is whether or not there is a possibility of a connection. For this reason, I would like specifics as to which Caudill family has actually been identified as melungeons. If this information is available, I would appreciate someone posting it.
I have read the exchange of information recently on melungeons. As one who has never heard the possibility of a connection to my family, I find that I am curious. The main thing I want to know at this point, is whether or not there is a possibility of a connection. For this reason, I would like specifics as to which Caudill family has actually been identified as melungeons. If this information is available, I would appreciate someone posting it.
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Surnames: ADAMS, CAUDILL, DEHART, FIELDS, TOWSON, YARBOROUGH
Classification: Query
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Hello Susan,
I also list that Stephen Caudill was born in Scotland ca 1685.
I list that James Caudill s/o Stephen Caudill and Mary Fields Caudill md. Mary Yarborough 1-22-1748.
James Caudill and Mary Yarborough Caudill were the parents of 9 children 3 of whom have Adams connections:
1) James Caudill b ca 1753 md. Mary A. Adams ca 1768 dau of Benjamin and Agnes ? Adams; md. (2) Abigail Caudill.
2) Stephen Caudill b. ca 1763; md (1) Jane DeHart April 3, 1784; md. (2) Sarah Adams ca 1792 dau of Benjamin and Henrietta Caudill Adams.
3) Abner Caudill b. ca 1773 md. Jane Adams dau of Spencer and Mary Towson Adams.
Is this correct so far?
Thank you,
Ramona
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Surnames: CAUDILL, COLLINS
Classification: Query
Message Board URL:
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Hello Curtis,
You say a Caudill md. a Collins but you give no other information.
You state you are not seeking Caudill family information; may I ask what you are using the Caudill family research boards for if not to research your family lines?
Also may I ask what information you have on any Caudill family members being buried in Kentucky or Tennessee?
If you will please start sharing family information; you are more than welcome to post to the board.
This is not a debate board or a topic board-it is a family surname research board.
Please respect the board's purpose and those who seek and share Caudill family information here.
Thank you,
Ramona
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READ this before it gets deleted [but, hopefully, this isn't that kind of place!]
Melungeon information IS family history for SOME but not all Caudill lines. There is a great deal of resistance to this and many other families being linked to Melungeons. This is unfortunate since that kind of prejudice amounts to genealogical censorship. And just as many Melungeons have run into their "brick walls" at county clerks' offices -- turning to the page in an old record book, only to find the page that should have their Melungeon evidence torn out or the line obliterated -- they also find people in the family boards censoring this information . . . justifying running people like me . . . "Melungeon Missionaries," so to speak, out of or off the Boards.
No, I'm not looking for our Caudill line. A Melungeon Caudill married our Melungeon Collins, and I am not attempting to prove the line because the Collins line is already proven. Plenty of evidence exists that at least one Caudill line is Melungeon, which accounts for why the name "Caudill" appears on most lists of Melungeon Surnames. But again, that does NOT imply that all Caudill's are Melungeon and, in fact, the vast majority are not. BUT, those who might be do not need to be "protected" from the truth of their ancestry by the overly zealous "purists" who contact those I respond to (or who respond to me) off-list to ward them away.
I don't really care if anyone responds to me or not. But if you think that you might be from a Melungeon line, then I would agree with the woman I am responding to: Take a look at the Melungeon discussion boards and particularly at the Roots Web "Melungeon List."
It is important to understand a fine point about Melungeon heritage: It is uniquely American, but the ones who tore out pages and obliterated entries in the records that could have proven the lines were the Melungeons themselves. Why? Because the prejudice against them in their own time led many of them to want desperately to pass as White, thus motivating them to hide and ultimately (over several generations) to forget their actual origins. This is understandable when you consider the risk of children being sold into slavery, and the daughters being barred from marriage with local boys on the ridge or down the hollow, and the fear of cross-burning later on. Their one-time darker skin and curly hair made them stand out in ways that caused them to move either into communities (like Newman's Ridge) where other Melungeons lived and they could be safe from prejudice, OR to keep moving every generation while the effects of intermarriage with Whites gradually made the trek un!
necessary because people ceased to doubt they were White. That same scenario was repeated for people who were simply part-Indian --- as is true for the other side of my family where the men and boys were all told that my Great-great-great Grandpa Hewett was half-Indian and moved to Ohio with his White wife to start over when his 100% White half-siblings offered him the family bounty land warrant if he and his full sister would leave and take the family stain with them. The women and girls in the family, on the other hand, vehemently denied being part-Indian -- in spite of the physical evidence they wore on their faces for several generations.
But prejudice still reigns, and the forced sterilization that the Melungeons and East Coast Indians (like my Abenaki) faced is both the evidence of it and the reason their are so few of us left to tell the tale.
You can silence me on this Board, and even delete my messages, but that will not change the fact that some of you Caudill's have a grave in a remote Tennessee or Kentucky cemetery of the last one of your kind who remembered the truth when he or she died . . . hoping no one would ever dig it up. The question is, was that a legitimate wish? . . . to forever hide the truth about that aspect of who we are? They couldn't have anticipated a day when learning that information might have been welcomed by their descendants. My question is, "Was it the right of the ancestor (trying to protect the children, and thereby, future generations) to stop passing down the family secret and to go to the grave with it, having effectively destroyed every bit of documentation he or she could lay hands on that might bring the ember of truth back into a fire that casts light on who we came out of? If you people are family historians and genealogists then I don't think you can accept the decisio!
n of that ancestor as speaking for you and all future generations of your people. Times DO change, and even if the present is still a hostile place to disclose and discuss Black and Indian ancestry in an otherwise ostensibly White family, the day WILL come when such information will not only be important "nostalgia," but may also be life-saving. For example, as genetics studies reveal information about just what we have inherited from our forebears . . . both for the purposes of diagnosis and for the purposes of prevention of health problems --- and since there are a whole list of Melungeon-related health issues that physicians and clinics tend to overlook when they think we are just White people, it would behoove a person with Melungeon heritage to know that fact to help in determining what this or that otherwise treatable health problem may be! -- Without that information it took doctors years to diagnose my Sarcoidosis, for example. And, by the way, DNA studies concern!
ing Melungeons are happening now and you may be able to check out whether you have this blood if you are really interested in knowing.
So, yes, Ma'am, I recognize that this is a Caudill family board, and I have Caudill's in my family. But, no, I am not here to prove a line, but to discuss a family history issue of particular interest to SOME -- granted, some FEW -- of the Caudill's who might happen to read a post of mine. But that few is no smaller than the tiny fraction that might be looking for some other Stephen Caudill's black sheep son, Jonah's kidnapped daughter Mariah, or whatever . . . I made those names up, and no one should get excited. that is, NOTHING on the Board applies to everyone, does it? So I hope you won't censor Melungeon messages simply because you don't think that all Caudill's are Melungeons. I admit that. But I'd be even more unhappy to be banned and deleted if the reason was because you were trying . . . in one more generation . . . to treat the truth as a stain to be obliterated. Because THAT would be nothing less than bigotry. And the Caudill's are not known to be bigots, !
because if they were, none would have ever married a Melungeon girl . . . and at least one did.
Curtis Christy
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Surnames: CAUDILL
Classification: Query
Message Board URL:
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Hi Curtis,
What is your Caudill line?
You posted quite a bit of info-but no Caudill family information that I can discern.
The board is for posting Caudill family information and queries.
There is a Melungeon board-if you are seeking info on the Melugeons.
Please let us know what Caudill line you are seeking.
Thanks,
Ramona
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Is this Henry or "Tush Henry" Caudill? If so i may have some info on him and his decendents. Email me and let me know if you want it.
Sue
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Surnames: Caudill
Classification: Query
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Which set of Caudills from Letcher Co. Ky are you interested in?
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Please visit my family homestead cabin
at www.Caudillcabin.org and please sign the guestbook before you leave. There is lots of Caudill family info and photos.
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Surnames: Caudill
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Hi Susan,
Please contact me at Joyboat840(a)aol.com
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Surnames: Caudill
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Susan, I am interested in your message. I wrote you a private letter and tried to send it. Both times it was kicked
back as Frazia47(a)aol.com being - not a known member of aol. Would you help me with your e-mail address so I can write you. Thanks.
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Surnames: Caudill, Collins, and other Melungeon-related surnames
Classification: Query
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Hmmm. Don't want to make you mad at me, Susan, . . . but . . .
I love the Wales story. But only a handful of people take it seriously and, unfortunately, no scholars (that I am aware of) but prove me wrong. I'd be glad to know there was any shred of support from it from anyone who is taken seriously.
Yes, the Romans brought people of different hues. The Phoenicians and Portuguese had trading outposts in the British Isles --one starting in pre-history, the other not that many centuries ago -- and both would have contributed to the local color, so to speak. But over those millennia and centuries, the effect would be lost for the most part -- especially when you factor in several hundred years of fierce and pushy Norse invaders who were not shy about sharing their seed and making lots of little blonde and red-headed babies all over the place. And you forgot the Spanish Armada -- another pleasant story I'd like to believe -- about, say, maybe the Heberdine people (who people have said I favor with black hair and dark blue eyes). But, really, none of that has a bit to do with Melungeons -- except that any kind of Euro-settler in the Carolinas and Virginia in the 1600's could have added their blood to the Melungeon pool. No -- instead, there were some VERY early slaves (ci!
rca 1618) taken from the Portuguese in mid-Ocean and sold (them being the first to be so done) in Jamestown and then up and down the Coast. During those days, slaves were not under the later codes that governed both slavery and black-white relations, and they were (unlike the situation under later chattel slavery) treated like indentured servants. That meant that they "served" a period of time and were let go, and that even before the time expired they could raise food and animals to sell, sell their own labor, and save the money (or goods) necessary to buy their own and their loved ones' freedom. That one generation of Angolan slaves--all baptized by the Portuguese and possessing Euro names, etc.--married in with whatever white indentured servants and other whites, Indians, and Indian-European combination-folk in the area around the settlements, thus forming the beginning of the people we now call "Melungeons." As the laws against mingling and oppressing free-Blacks we!
re put on the books, and when some Melungeon children were stolen and sold into slavery (and many other kinds of related problems), they began to move through the Cumberland Gap and into what is now West Virginia, Tennessee, and Kentucky -- from where all present day Melungeons descend (otherwise they are perhaps RELATED to Melungeons in other groups like Brass Ankles, etc., but are not specifically Melungeons).
You sound beautiful, by the way. Would love to see a photo.
Oh! and while I am intrigued by some other Caudill's interesting stories of a Spanish or Portuguese-named person who was an early Caudill, I would say that it is NOT necessary that the MAN who bore the name Caudill was the original Melungeon in that line, but maybe a very early GRANDMOTHER who married in during the second generation -- losing her own family name and changing THAT PARTICULAR Caudill line to a Melungeon line ever after.
In any case, there is at least ONE Caudill line that IS Melungeon. That is NOT to say that all are, any more than all Collins', Gibson's, Goins/Gowen's, or Mullins' are Melungeon. BUT at least one line married into the original group of Africans and later Indian/African and/or Indian/European mixed-people to take that specific line over into the Melungeon extended family. Note, too, that tradesmen and artisans, tailors, tinsmiths, tool sharpeners, etc., who were Gypsies, Jews, Armenians, Turks... as well as any AWOL, lost, or abandoned remnents of Portuguese and Spanish military or sea-faring crews -- would ALL have been forced to the margins of early colonial society (along with any White-appearing Indians like Mandan's or Maddox's, etc ! or, for that matter, Indian-appearing Whites -- during the days prior to to very frequent later practice of Indians taking Africans into their tribes as both slaves and family ). Those people could NOT have been normally assimilated i!
nto the "proper" colonial society of the day (for reasons all Americans can still see if we are willing to be honest with ourselves). They COULD, however, interact and intermarry with those colonists who by nature or consequence of action were themselves forced to the periphery of a rejecting society. So, by that I mean that it is possible that alongside the development of the original root ancestors of all Melungeons (i.e., those first Angolan slaves), there were simultaneously developing parallel groups that SOME Melungeon lines would have taken into their specific lines as they moved from darker hued to lighter hued people as a matter of a tendency for Melungeons to choose either to stay with the Black community or to pass as White in order to avoid the fallout of prejudice. Hence, most of those people who consider themselves to be descendants of Melungeons today come from families who think of themselves as having been White all this time, only to be shocked when thei!
r genealogy points out a line that leads back to the generations when Europeans, Africans, and Indians mixed together to create this special and truly American people called the Melungeons -- one of the only groups who saw fit to force itself to forget who they were besides the Jews forced to convert under the Inquisition.
By the way -- for anyone who reads this -- I am always thrilled to hear from "Black Melungeons" -- meaning people whose ancestors stopped the practice of "marrying White" and, as a result, took the family back toward the African side of its ancestry rather than continuing the trend that the great-great's of most of those who call themselves Melugeons did, which was, over some generations, to first pass as White, and then to stap passing down the family secret (of having mixed or Afican ancestry), eventually to lose the fact in time . . . only to have a descendant re-discover what was lost when coming upon an entry like "Mulatto" in a census record while conducting some serious "come-what-may" family history.
For what it's worth . . . you might want to get copies of last several issues of the Appalachian Quarterly -- in which you will find a series on this subject by a Melungeon descendant (out of the Gowen family) named Hashaw. Fascinating stuff. It will change you view of who you are and your place in the world. PLUS, you will also find articles by me in each of the last several issues -- all stating views about Melungeon heritage. And some great material written my other Melungeons like Karlton Douglas (some on the Indian connections), Dr. Kennedy (if you know anything about Melungeons you will recognize his name), and other present day Melungeon-types who know at least a little bit about the branch(es) of their families who were once driven into the mountains to escape persecution for being of mixed ancestry.
Curtis Christy (doctor of some useless nonsense or other)
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I am a direct decendent of the Caudill Yarboroug Union. I am dark skinned, I look like a gypsy with golden eyes and Black hair, my brother and sister were tow heads. We all have interesting looks and characteristics of both North African, Asian.and Europian.
If Stephen Caudill was melungeon then he must have been so in Scotland. More likely he was of Spanish Celtic decent before coming to the Americas. Of course Spain was held by the Moors for 600 years and Wales was taken over by Roman invasion with many Normans coming to the Americas.
Maddox left Wales in 1170 coming to America, he found it so beautiful that he went back for a second ship, the Church of Rome sent Welsh priest with the colonist eventually in the 12th century building a monestary. These people settled in with indians forming the Maddox Tribe. There are many stories of large groups coming to the America in the 12th century.
Not all decendents have recorded marriages to indians or free people of color so each seperate branch has developed its own racial profile.
I happen to look like my grandfather who was Rebecca Adams,son. My grandfather would be 127 years old now, our families really haven't changed so much in two hundred years and if you were to look at me, you would say definatly Italian. And I have pictures to know my lineage from my grandfather.
The Melungeons are a total mystery. No one really knows. I often ponder if they were a group of families that had stayed in the Americas long before Columbus,
Hi!
Here is the dates and times for "Vendetta" which will air on the
history
channel on the following dates and times.
It is on the Feuds of Eastern Kentucky that much lore has been
written-so these should be good shows; I hope.
Ramona
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Jan. 8th: 9-10 PM-The History Channel
JOHNSON COUNTY CATTLE WAR---TV--PG
Jan 9th: 9-10 PM-The History Channel
SUTTON vs. TAYLOR---TV--PG
Jan 10th: 9-10 PM-The History Channel
CLAY COUNTY [KY] WAR---TV--PG
Jan. 11th: 9-10 PM-The History Channel
THE HATFIELDS AND MCOYS AN AMERICAN FEUD---TV--PG.