I like this "regular traffic" of correspondence Erica, talk about being
"in
touch"!
OK on the Australian Roll re soldiers. Had a peek at what Anthony is
referring to ...... interesting indeed but beyond my capability but
hopefully all of those Catleys can be classified into their respective
trees. Mick Catley was thinking about doing a AU/NZ "roundup" of trees so
perhaps he could take this into consideration?
I do not have much of a problem with the AU Roll for Cattley. There are five
entries and straight away I can identify three of them as of "our tree" and
one as an Ansty Tree member but I am stuck on Frederick John Cattley born
1919 in QLD (presumably Queensland?) He does not fit any Tree that I know
of.
Thanks for the lowdown on Alan Longbottom, I will look him up on Google and
try to get to grips with what he is cataloguing in an overall sense.
As for Gerald Wildman Cattley:- your probate snippits are helpful and
confirm a civil appointment I think ie nothing to do with the Royal Garrison
Artillary whatsoever, I DID wonder if it was plausable that HM Forces were
operating at Elmina Castle but the fact that he does not appear on CWGC
lists rather tends to deny the thought.
Yes indeed, a lot of money for one so young but then the probate records for
the Cattleys are most interesting with some very tidy sums involved, the
best I have seen was for John Cattley of 9 Moorgate Street, City of London
and Shabden Park, Chipstead,Surrey the father of John Garret Cattley who
died in DEcember 1862, left "effects sworn at under £250,000, not bad for
1862. What would that be worth today 10Million?
Geralds death must have been even more far reaching than you think because
not only was his brother Cyril Francis killed at Cambrai in WW1 but so was
their 1st cousin Hebert Pennington Cattley; thus a whole branch of "young
Cattley males" was wiped out.
Cyrils career in the Regular Army is interesting, he entered the East Kent
Regt in 1909 and went out to France as part of the BEF in 1914. He served
continuously on the Western Front from then until his death in 1917 in that
Regt and went from 2nd Lt to Major. He was awarded the MC in 1916 but died
with his men at Cambrai when the Germans launched a major counter attack and
over ran the British lines by sheer numbers. Cyrils body was never found and
as such he is comemorated on the Menine Gate Memorial.
The only residue of this once main branch are the three daughters of Eric
Sacville Wildman Cattley-who died in 1995 (I met him at the William of
Barnet (Orchid) memorial service) who include Carol Cattley who was
responsible for putting Maud Cattleys "Ealing Papers" into Leeds Uni that
you refer to concerning Russian Studies.
Best warm wishes Tim---- Original Message -----
From: Erica Hills <erica(a)hillsperth.com>
To: <CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 4:00 AM
Subject: [CAT*LEY] Soldiers etc.
Hi Tim,
>No, I realise you are "not guilty"
I was only joking ! I don't know exactly what Alan Longbottom's thesis
at Leeds University was but I believe it did have to do with Russian
Merchants. I suspect he sent the CATTLEY stuff to Merv because it was
relevant to what Merv was doing and that Merchants other than CATTLEY very
likely also featured in the research. However, CATTLEY is an obvious
focus given that there is a great deal of CATTLEY material in the Russian
Studies Department at Leeds Uni. right there on a platter for
him. However, Alan is a dedicated cataloguer and if you check his
name on Google you will find that he has indexed a lot of material
relevant
to Yorkshire.
This is what he gave us on Gerald Wildman CATTLEY - not so much the will,
but full details of the probate thereof.
NAME CATTLEY GERALD WILDMAN DIED 1918/08/01 PROVED PPR
PLACE DORKING SURREY OCCUP *
AMOUNT 12068.00
ADDRESS MEADOWBANK (Dorking) + ELMINA CASTLE GOLD COAST
PROB 1919/04/08
EXOR1 SEWELL E B TOWN1 *
ADDR1 * OCCUP1 ESQUIRE
EXOR2 TOWN2 TYPE WILL
ADDR2 OCCUP2
EXOR3 TOWN3
ADDR3 OCCUP3
DIED AT COLONIAL HOSP CAPE COAST
UKP 12,000 is quite a lot of money for a 28 year old man to have in 1918
!
What GWC was doing there is the question ? I see that his elder brother
had died on active service in France only nine months earlier. How
awful for the parents ! Were they the only children ?
Ghana as it is now called was a very wealthy country at that time with
huge
trade in timber, cocoa, gold and ivory, so presumably he was doing
business
there. Elmina Castle (now a world heritage building) is a
magnificent
fort in the centre of the Gold mining district - the name meaning "the
Mine" - it was built in the 1400s by the Portuguese and at one time could
hold up to 1000 slaves en route to the Americas. It has been used for
many, many purposes over the years. Cape Coast is the nearest large city,
so if he was sick or injured it makes sense that he would have been taken
there.
That's my tuppence worth. Do you have any more on Alan's efforts Mick ?
>I can not quite understand which Roll Anthony Catley is quoting from, it
>does not match the CWGC info so I wonder if it is the new Australian one
>that you mention? Must access it myself to find out.
http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/doc/overview.asp is the address. It's all the
Australians who have fought in the wars - but not the war dead. They
can be found at the Australian war Memorial
http://www.awm.gov.au/
>Did I tell you, I have found military refrences to Cattleys working in
>Russia in 1918/19?
You mentioned one in Tallin or Riga, there presumably because, having been
born in Russia, he would have been bi-lingual and therefore a good liaison
officer. I believe I read only recently but I'm not sure where, that there
were British Troups there until at least 1918. Are there more ?
Warmest regards.......... Erica
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