Hello to you too Jocelyn,
Of course the recipient of my e.mail that you refer to, may, or may not (not
sure here!) consider himself "ex Empire" or "ex Colonial" for that
matter
but with English roots he is doubtless very aware what I was alluding to.
Doubtless you all use the excuse of Boxing Day as a National Holiday "down
under" just as we do "up topside" despite the fact that you are all
sweltering in a silly 40deg C summer temp or something similar.
Does writing Christmas Cards with snow scenes depicted on them make you feel
any cooler? Probably not!
Most of my Aussie contacts attempt to wind me up at this time of year by
talking of eating seafood on the beach whilst sun bathing on Christmas Day
.... surfing, volleyball and BBQ's etc etc.
I can go better than that, all I have to do is to travel up to our family
favourite beach in North Wales which is only about 1 hours drive away and
whereas in high summer we have to share it with many other holiday makers in
a "blistering 27 deg C"(OK, OK, its not hot but it IS comfortable) at
Christmas we can have the beach all to ourselves AND make snow men AND have
a BBQ!
As for the meaning behind Boxing Day, I doubt if 25% of the UK population
are aware of its origins either!
Mind you, they do not know what Thanksgiving Day is for in the USA for that
matter.
I think our American cousins should be aware that the British National Dish
at Christmas Day is Turkey, one of the first American imports here after
potatoes. I prefer our original bird, a Christmas goose but am in a
minority on this one. Am not anti American by any means but there is no way
that a Turkey comes up to the flavour of a goose, not even a Norfolk Black!
Hate to say it but our overall daily National Dish is now, without any
doubt, a big slap up curry. Forget Mc Donalds and all the other fast food
chains, forget traditional Mrs Beatons English Cooking,forget Chinese
takeaways and Trattorias, forget Freds Cafe around the corner, it is curry
all the way.
Regards to all
Tim.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bert and Jocelyn Prvanov <prvanov(a)xtra.co.nz>
To: <CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 3:12 AM
Subject: [CAT...] An aside or two
Seasons Greetings to everyone....
Hi there Tim,
As my American husband pointed out over a comment he made to his brother
in
the US some people have no idea what Boxing Day is and that its a
holiday
some parts of the world (old Empire stuff) - mind you some who have Boxing
Day are also probably in the dark too.
Adding to this - I find it amusing that we in NZ (and probably
Australia )
can buy Christmas cards depicting snow, when we are (meant to be) in
the
middle of summer !
Jocelyn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Cattley" <timjhcat(a)tiscali.co.uk>
To: <CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: [CAT...] Wiltshire Catleys
> How do Mick,
> I must thank you twice, once for all the Anstey info you sent to me by
> attachment and secondly for doing it on Boxing Day!
> It is much appreciated indeed.
> With your input, I now have four sources of Anstey information and they
all
> overlap but with some differences on the edges if you follow me.
> Re the Wiltshire connection:- I think that these are circumstances
where
it
> is quite reasonable to suppose that a Hertfordshire family of
agricultural
> land workers must have moved to a similar situation in
Wiltshire. This
by
> the inclusion of the Newman name. It can hardly be a
co-incidence.
> I find myself in an interesting spot in that the Anstey info I now have
> indicates that all four of you "inputters" have the central core of the
tree
> the same but with differences.... all of you have individual additional
> information to add to make a collective total.
> I need to make contact with David Henry Catley who sent me the original
data
> that I have and ask him to make contact with all of you.
> The Tom Doig name is familiar because I had some dealings with a Valerie
> Olesen back in the early 1980's who was an Anstey Catley herself and she
> constantly referred to Tom in her letters to me. She eventually moved
away
> from Newbury in Berkshire down to the West Country and I lost
contact
with
> her, more is the pity.
> As "co-ordinator" it is my job to attempt to place things Cat(t)ley
together
> (although in truth Chris Newall is doing a far better job of it than I
ever
> can) but the best I can hope to do is to spot things and highlight them
as
I
> am attempting to do with the Ansteys.
> I will attempt to draw up a tree based on all the info that has come my
way
> and send it out to all you Anstey research members because to do it on
an
> individual basis would be to take up too much time this end ...
I am in
the
> middle of a four way multiplier which could get out of hand very easily!
> If only to answer one question for you Mick: the "missing Australian
Catleys
> of the Anstey line" that I referred to come from Edmund Catley on your
list
> b 1835 son of William who married Mary Copeland in 1832.
> This Edmund seems to have married and had nine children by a Mary Ann
> Warren and his son Charles spelled Cattley 1860-1947 married Sarah
Coxall
in
> 1885 (in my PRO Marriage lists) and their eldest son Edward Charles b
1885
> (also as Cattley in my lists) married a Dorothy Bartington
(Cattley
lists)
> and they emigrated to Aussie in 1923.
> They had a son Reginald Charles Cattley (PRO lists) b 4/9/1919 who
obviously
> emigrated with them.
> RCC had two sons born as Edward Reginald and Peter John Cattley b 1943
and
> 1951 in WA.
> Thus you Catleys in Australia have genuine Cattley cousins!
> I know this to be accurate because I have had contact with Edward
Reginald
> back in 1992 along with his wife Florence.
> At that time their address was as follows:- E.R. Cattley
> 40.
> Swincer Way
>
Koondoola
> 6064 WA
> It is a bit late at night now to go further but hopefully this all
helps?
>
> Regards Tim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mick Catley <catleym(a)netspeed.com.au>
> To: <CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 1:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [CAT...] Wiltshire Catleys
>
>
> > G'day Tim,
> >
> > Seasons greeting to you and all the other listers.
> >
> > Sharon and I have had several exchanges of e-mails over the Wiltshire
> > Catleys which we believe started with James Catley c. Barkway 7 Nov
1740.
> >
> > As with all genealogical matters I should say that there is no
absolute
> > proof but some documented records and educated guesses
support this
> belief.
> >
> > Firstly, I have examined the microfilms of the Barkway C of E parish
> > registers and found the record for James christening where the entry
> states
> > "son of Charles Catley". Over a period of several years around
this
time
> > there are several other christening records for children of Charles
Catley
> > but their spacings suggest they are siblings. Some of the records
also
> > include the mother's name as Mary.
> >
> > I have assumed this family is that of Charles Catley and Mary Newman,
> whose
> > marriage is entered in the Barkway registry on 30 July 1738.
> >
> > The only other information I have about James Catley at Barkway came
from
> > Tom Doig a professional historian in the hamlet of Nuthampstead within
the
> > parish of Barkway who advised me:
> >
> > "James (bp7.11.1740 son of Charles & Mary), labourer, was alive at
> > Barkway 1764 (re Militia List.) He is not listed as 'married with
> > children' however he could have been married as 'married with
children'
> > indicated 'more than three children' - if you see
what I mean! James
> > disappears from Barkway after 1764 and I have no record of what
happened
> to
> > him. There was also a James buried at Barkway on 20.5.1759 - it
clearly
> > was not
> > him!"
> >
> > The next piece of information is the IGI christening records for
Tisbury
> > Independent Church in Wiltshire where there are eight
children listed
as
> > children of James and Martha. The christening dates,
1766-1784 are
> > consistent with the expected fathering period of James. The forename
> > "Newman" for one of the children is a strong link to the Barkway
Catleys
> > where it appears several times in different branches of the
family.
> >
> > I have not done any detailed research on lines of the Barkway Catleys
> apart
> > from my own. However I have documented records as I have come across
> them.
> > I cannot send attachments to the list so I will send to you directly
the
> > descendants of James and Alice Catley of Barley, which are
my earliest
> records.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 03:30 PM 24/12/03 +0000, Tim Cattley wrote:
> > >Hello Mick and Sharon
> > >
> > >Happy Christmas to you (and all the other listers by the way) before
I
> > >forget.
> > >
> > >I am doing a bit of digging into the Anstey Tree myself at the moment
> using
> > >my PRO extracts,the Roger Tamplin Anstey Parish Record chart supplied
by
> > >David Henry Cattley of Stotfold and the Anstey Chappell/Cattley list
> > >together with Candis Cattley-Sanders own work and have a couple of
> questions
> > >for you:-
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Mick Catley
> >
> >
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