Hi again Kay,
Yes I suppose it does look a bit daunting on the face of it but you know how
it is when you get immersed,it sort of grows on you.
Answer to question:- Yes we have a direct line of research established to
Stevan of Normanton and most of the males on the succeeding generations are
accounted for, one way or another so that the tree is pretty well watertight
we think EXCEPT for the two grandsons of Stavan, ie Edmonde b 1642 and
Stevan b 1646 of which nothing has been found.
No:- no possibility of Stevan being son of Henry because my Coveney lists
start 1837 at the P.R.O. whereas Stevan we know, married in 1609!
I am convinced that it is very likely indeed that most of these Yorkshire
branches are related because of their relative geographical locations being
so close together.
The Fowler connection looks interesting and if it helps you, the Robert
Catley who married Dorothy Fowler that you have spotted is a member of my
tree. The marriage was in 1747 at Bolton Percy. This Robert is a key person
on my tree because his four sons all went to London when adults and each
started businesses there.
I had spotted the Cridling Stubbs stuff also but can not make any connection
at present with that which I hold.
I have plenty of contacts with modern day members of those other trees I
have refered to but the trouble is that none of them show enough interest in
their roots to do any researching themselves.
Am sure that we are not far from joining some of these trees back together
again although in the case of my tree I fear it will be more difficult due
to the time span differential but we live in hope.
Regards .................... Tim----- Original Message -----
From: kay heath <hampden(a)bigpond.net.au>
To: <CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 2:03 AM
Subject: Re: [CAT...] Re: Catlay/Cat*ley Parish Records
Hi Tim,
That really is an excellent summary of all the Yorkshire Catleys you have
done there..
it is HORRIBLY daunting !!! All the stuff going onto Chris's site is
really
great.
Question:
Starting at the beginning, are you saying that two of
Stevan of Normanton's grandsons are 'unaccounted for' .. ?? In terms of
their
descendants?? I wasn't sure whether you had traced every single person
descended
from Stevan or not.
Is there a possibility that your Stevan of Normanton is a son of Henry
Catlay
of Leeds and his first wife (first name in your Coveney list)?? Leeds
was
little more
than a large village in those days.
1. My earliest :-
James Fowler CATLEY born @ 1824 (don't know where)
was a Master tailor and draper who married and raised his
family and died, in main parish of Leeds, so I can only assume he was
born in Leeds and did his apprenticeship there. But can't
be certain. (Father: John CATLEY, Mother: ??? )
This is my number one task when I get over there, to try and
ascertain where he was born. Nothing on IGI , so I am really
stuck. I do not know how complete the St Peters, Leeds PR's are, but
that will be my first search.
Main clue:?
Because of the use of the 'Fowler' second name in the
family, and use in subsequent generations, there is a possibility that
James Fowler is a product of the John CATLEY -Elizabeth FOWLER
marriage (Burnley, Lancs 1823).
Although 'Fowler' crops up elsewhere, there is a Wm Fowler Caytly
in your Coveney records (bur Bilton in Ainsty 1626)
and also :
Dorothy Fowler who married Robert CATLEY @ 1748, and had children
in Appleton, Yorkshire (nr Tadcaster).
2. Does the following tie in with anything else you have, or anything
that
people
are searching for ?:-
If you look at your 'Womersley' section of the Coveney stuff you sent me,
there appears to be a nice little continuing family group..for which I
have
recent information.
All are within the Womersley/Cridling Stubbs/Campsall/Fenwick area.
(Cridling
Stubbs is about 7 or 8 miles west of Normanton). Nearest large towns
Knottingley/
Pontefract.
1746 Stephen Catley m Hannah Benton
3 babies
1787 Robert (son of Stephen) Catley , Farmer of Cridling Stubbs, m Eliz
Hepworth
11 Jan 1787 ROBERT CATLEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: Womersley, Yorkshire, England
Feb 1816 Robert Cattley m Mary Heap (b Fenwick) , Campsall, Yorkshire
(IGI)
1817 John Cattley (son of Robert) born Campsall Jan 1817 (IGI)
This John was a 'farmer of Cridling Stubbs' all his life,
died 1892 (I have death certificate) never married,
Sister: Ellen, b 1829 m. Mr Eccles (found them in 1881
when Ellen was housekeeping for brother John).
Liz's recent 1873 'Land holdings list' also mentioned John's
acreage.
Even though I have the death certificate for John, I have no idea if he is
related
to me or not. If you have people searching that
area, you may well find that they are related to John, who presumably got
the
Cridling stubbs farm because he was the eldest. John is also recorded as
CATTLEY at birth, as was his father, but CATLEY by the time he died.
It would be terrific if you could tie up one of the many Leeds area Catley
searchers with the Cridling Stubbs lot.
Kay
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Cattley" <timjhcat(a)tiscali.co.uk>
To: <CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, 29 January 2004 11:22
Subject: Re: [CAT...] Re: Catlay/Cat*ley Parish Records
> Hello Kay,
>
> Just doing a bit of catching up on back e-mails and have lost the plot
as
to
> where we are re above.
>
> As you have probably seen ex Chris Newalls e-mails,he has now put my
Coveney
> B's and M's, ex Kew Registers for Cattley on his web site (thanks Chris)
and
> I really must get down to doing the deaths as well, asap.
>
> I have re established contact with a Gerald and Gillian Cattley from
> Staffordshire who are descendants of William Cattley of Leeds born Kirk
> Deighton 1848 which as you may recall, is one of those "mini Cattley
Trees"
> from Yorkshire which you showed an interest in given that you intend to
do
> some researches in Leeds Archives later this spring ( your
previous
comments
> about British cold winters are especially poignant at the moment as we
are
> in a real freeze here) and they have indicated an interest in
hearing of
> your intended work outcome.
>
> As you are also well aware there is a small clutch of Cat*ley Trees that
all
> stem from the Leeds side of Yorkshire that we collectively have some
> knowledge of and for my part, I give you the following "key names"
> representing the earliest known people in each case:-
>
> Tree Name Key Name other details
>
> William of Leeds William Cattley born Kirk
Deighton
> 02/06/1848
>
m
> Selena Varley in Leeds 30/06/1870
>
d
> Leeds 5 generations to date.
>
> Herbert of Leeds Herbert Cattley Probably b
> Wakefield 1865
>
> Probably m Wakefield 1887 to Mary Ann
>
> 5 children all born Leeds. First certain confirmed issue is Ernest b
1894
>
> who married Clarice Creaser. 5 generations to date
>
> William of Tadcaster William Cattley b 05/07/1827
> Tadcaster
>
> m19/02/1855 Tadcaster to Fanny Cattley
>
6
> children all born in York, first known issue is Walter Robert
>
b
> 06/05/1856 m Annie Tupman 1887.
>
5
> generations to date. Family spread out with BMD's in
>
> Doncaster,Bradford, and Hull in E Yorks.
>
> John of Barton le Willows. John Cattley b probably 1844 m
> Eliza?
>
7
> children starting with Annie possibly b 1882.
>
Not
> much known about this one, I have structure by name over 3
>
> generations but BMD's look to be East Riding not West, in such places
>
> such as Easingwold, Buckrose, Bulmer and Malton.
>
> John Catley of Seacroft. John Catley m Catherine Dawson
> 1820. His grandchildren plus his son Thomas b 1830
>
who
> m Ann Simpson all emigrated to Pennsylvania circa 1870 to work in the
>
coal
> mines over there. Name change to Cattley in UK circa 1860
>
> Stevan of Normanton This is my own
> Tree = Stevan Catlay of Normanton m Elizabeth Jube in
>
> Normanton in1609. I have 2 grandsons of Stevan. Edmonde Catlay b 1642
>
and
> Stevan Catlay b 1646 in Normanton who are "gotaways"
in research
>
> terms. Their younger brother John b Normanton 1651 moved and married in
>
> Bramham in1678 and founded my Tree as we know it today. Any pickup on
>
> Stevan2 or Edmonde would be appreciated.
>
> All the others are from "live leads" from current living members of the
> trees in question who have given me all the back date info that they
have
> and are happy for me to do research on, on their behalf. It is
encouraging
> that such people are happy to place trust in another when most
people
today
> seem totally wrapped up in covering their own course and are so
suspicious
> of genuine offers of assistance from other quarters. Did I give
you
Marges
> data for Pennsylvania Cattleys? I can not remember Kay.
>
> Do keep me updated, Cheers ............. Tim
>
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