Yes I forgot to say, Well Done Kay,
You know, the more that I look at those Yorkshire Cat*ley
records, the more convinced I become that they must all stem from
one common source because the geography of the area is simply riddled
them. Just about every village between Leeds and York seems to have
accommodated at least one family at one time or another. Add to that
the Lancs and Lincs connections and for the 1881 Census for Cattley,
it means that out of the total 157 names therein, 78 of them are in those
three
Counties.
Add to that, another 24 names for members of my Tree who were residing
in London and the south east at the time and we have a total of Cattleys of
100+ or over 66% that have origins in the Yorkshire and adjacent areas.
It is just a pity that there are so few members of these Yorkshire current
lines who are interested genealogically. I spent some time just before
Christmas telephoning Cattleys in the Leeds/Wakefield areas in order to
"pin them" onto my BMD's, all registered surprise and interest and a
resolve
to assist, in mapping out their lines as far back as they know, but
as
expected, none were committed enough to do any basic research themselves.
Of course one can throw a wholly bigger net of Catley names on top of all
this
just to spice the puzzle up!
The whole thing brings me back to thinking about the DNA test idea at
least for the Yorkshire/Lancs/Lincs lines IF it can be done at reasonable
cost?
It would have to be a balance between "what's you's pay's and
what's
you's
get's". Would it be worth DNA tests to "prove the
obvious" if results came
back for example showing that those Cat*leys tested from Yorks share a
common denominator?
Maybe a wider test would be more interesting for example to see if
there really is just one source for ALL Cat*leys?
John C (Shrewsbury Three) has already indicated his willingness
as have one or two others if the cost was not extortionate, but like self
has not a clue about the method and I shy away from test results
where seemingly one has to self compare DNA "markers" with others.
Re your comments in adjacent email: not quite shure what you are asking
Kay concerning the BMD lists?
Are you asking for copies of my updated Cattley Lists, presume you are?
If so not a problem, can do.
Regards Timcatt
----- Original Message -----
From: William N H Heath <hampden(a)bigpond.net.au>
To: <CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 6:20 AM
Subject: Fw: [CAT...] Cattley research progress
Hey Tim,
What about my 'John of Leeds, b @ 1800' !!!
I still haven't been able to pin him down or find the proof of birth of
any
of his children, but I have the subsequent 7 generations, who are of
course
ancestors of Lyn in Auckland , NZ , Barry Catley in Toronto and
mine.
My best possibility for the above John is that he came from Yorkshire,
but
married Eliz Fowler in Lancs 1821. (unfortunately the IGI just says
"Burnley"..and every second girl in lancashire seems to be called
Elizabeth
Fowler) - I think 2006 will find me scrolling through miles of LDS
films
from the various parishes of Burnley.
There are also the Garforth Catleys, who may or may not be connected to my
John of Leeds, or the John of Seacroft, Leeds...
kayheath
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bert and Jocelyn Prvanov" <prvanov(a)xtra.co.nz>
To: <CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 6:29 AM
Subject: Re: [CAT...] Cattley research progress
> Thanks Tim.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Cattley" <timjhcat(a)tiscali.co.uk>
> To: <CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 3:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [CAT...] Cattley research progress
>
>
>> Hello to you Jocelyn,
>>
>> Yes indeed and I set out what I have below.
>>
>> Some are well established and well known lines such as The Anstey Tree
>> and
>> my own Stevan Catlay.
>>
>> Others give lesser depth insight of generations but as far as they go,
>> are
>> reasonably intact within that time scale.
>>
>> Some of the more recent discoverys of other lines have been made by
>> contacting "unknown Cattleys" around and about in the UK and making
an
>> identification on the Public Record Office B/M/D's. Any of you that
have
>> attempted this head on approach by telephone will understand
the fun
and
>> games I have had here!
>>
>> As such I have been working in the 1900-1960 range and thus much of the
>> individual information is sensitive in the form of "living relatives"
but
> in
>> most cases backtrack to a safer circa 1850's to 1900's or even earlier.
>>
>> If anybody wants information on any of them, am quite happy to accept
>> individual queries by private email.
>>
>> William of Leeds : b Kirk Deighton. Yorkshire. 1848
5
>> generations
>>
>> Herbert of Wakefield : b probably Wakefield.Yks. 1865 5
>> generations
>>
>> John of Seacroft (Leeds) m Seacroft Yks. 1820
> 7
>> generations by Emig to PA, USA.
>>
>> Thomas of Escrick : m Escrick. Yks
> 1823
>> 6 generations
>>
>> John of Barton le Willows m Barton le Willows. Yks c1900 4
> generations
>>
>> Charles of Hackney : b Anstey. Herts
1854
> 4
>> generations (now joined to the main Anstey Tree)
>>
>> Marmaduke of Wakefield m Wakefield. Yks 1878 5
>> generations
>>
>> Charles of Greenwich b London cir
>> 1810
>> 7 generations
>>
>> Edwin of Wakefield b Wakefield.Yks
1870
> 4
>> generations
>>
>> James of Barley m Barley. Herts
>> 1709 11 generations (The Anstey Tree)
>>
>> Robart of Normanton m Normanton. Yks 1609 14
>> generations
>>
>> In addition I have a bit on Emery Cat*ley of Midsomer Norton
>> also William Cat*ley of Farndon.
>> Think it correct to say that these two trees are
>> normally spelt as Catley, only that certain individuals on these lines
> have
>> been recorded with the double
>> T.
>>
>> Best wishes Timcatt
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Bert and Jocelyn Prvanov <prvanov(a)xtra.co.nz>
>> To: <CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 9:42 PM
>> Subject: Re: [CAT...] Cattley research progress
>>
>>
>> > Hi there Tim,
>> > Great work. Are you able to provide a list of the eleven lines ?
>> > Regards
>> > Jocelyn
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Tim Cattley" <timjhcat(a)tiscali.co.uk>
>> > To: <CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>> > Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 1:32 PM
>> > Subject: [CAT...] Cattley research progress
>> >
>> >
>> > > >Hello everybody,
>> > > >
>> > > >Just to say that I have now resolved eleven separate Cattley
lines
> plus
>> > another two that usually spelt their name with the single T but some
>> > >members thereof crop up in the Records with the double T spelling
just
> to
>> > complicate things for us.
>> > > >
>> > > >Armed with the UK Public Records Office extracts of B/M/D's
which
I
>> have
>> > from their beginnings until 1960, I now have most names therein
>> > >covered
>> > into one of the "Big Cattley Trees" such as the Anstey line or
indeed
> mine
>> > (Stevan of Normanton) or into a list of smaller "Trees"
>> > > >which in some cases cover just four generations.
>> > > >
>> > > >The interesting thing is that so far, despite this collection of
>> Cattley
>> > information, I have only managed to join two separate lines together.
>> > > >
>> > > >However, looking at the current information for births in the
period
>> > 1900-1960, it is clear that I am now only four sets of
names away
from
>> > >gaining a full house of Cattley name coverage (That
is if we assume
> that
>> > the PRO Lists cover all BMD's of which I have my doubts)
>> > > >
>> > > >Obviously I can not name names here of the persons that I would
like
> to
>> > contact to gain their Tree history and identify them on the PRO list,
>> > > > so suffice it to say that I am seeking three sets of Cattley
> contacts:
>> > 1) two sisters and a brother whos mothers maiden name was
>> > >Hollingsworth
>> who
>> > were born in the Lewisham area of London: 2) Three sisters, mothers
> maiden
>> > name Leeson all born in theHolderness/Hull >area and: 3) a single
male
>> with
>> > no siblings, mothers name Button who was born in the Northallerton
Reg
>> Area
>> > and finally: 4) another single >issue male born in the Leeds area,
>> mothers
>> > maiden name being Ward.
>> > > >
>> > > >Any input would help because I am so close to gaining "full
cover".
>> > > >
>> > > >Happy New Year to all ............... Timcatt
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
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