Hello Dennis,
Thank's for explaining as to the connection with Wm Aubrey and where James
comes into the equation.
I note that there are quite a few ref's to Clifton (outskirts of Bristol) in
the bmd's and wonder if these were members of this Chilcompton Catley clan
that traces back to Thomas b 1712?
Also noted in The Catley Database that there are numerous ref's to PJCLEM as
the originator of Somerset Norton Catley information but my question as to
who this was, is answered in your previous email
One favour if you deem it acceptable :- both self and Liz Cordingly are
attempting to append all Cat*ley BMD's from GRO etc, to their respective
separate Trees and I would appreciate a copy of the part of yours that
relates to the pre emigration situation here in the UK. Would you be
agreeable to provide me with a copy?
As for dna tests, well yes a Y37 marker test is not exactly cheap and of
course, there is no guarantee that you would get any match whatsoever.
However, as I have intimated before, a nil match says as much as a positive
one in my opinion. Positive ones reduce the instance of numerous separate
individual Catley Roots, negative ones increase it. Either way, knowing the
geographical origins of the families concerned, it all gives a better insite
as to how/where the name developed.
There is no time span on the tests Dennis as the Lab will keep the Catley
file open for 25 years.
As to Irish origins for the Cat*ley name:- I recall much discussion on the
overall name issue about 18 months ago when an Irish connection was voiced.
Can not recall when the O'Gathoalick connection is meant to have happened
(and you do not volunteer a date) and I do not think that we are running a
sweepstake on the "earliest Cat*ley runners" either but having said that, we
know that the Catley Priory was first built in 1143ad and I seem to recall
David Meredith finding a Catley ref to a Sheriff of York? in times that
predate 1143.
The only thing that concerns me about the "Irish Connection" is that most of
the Catley ref's we have picked up upon so far, all come from the English
East Coast region between Hull and London which is about as far away from
Ireland as you can get within the UK as it is today.
If the name is Irish based as you intimate, then for one, I would have
expected a more even spread of the name within the Western parts of the UK?
Are there not indications that the Somerset Norton Catleys were derived from
a movement of people away from London down to Somerset? I thought I had
read this somewhere in one of the many emails on this List?
David Meredith did a splendid job about 18 months ago relating the origins
of the Catley name, not just to Wild Cat Wood but to other Old English words
such as Cattle lea; lea being a pasture etc.
He went to some lengths setting all this out and I am ashamed to say that I
do not think he either got an acknowledgement or a thank you from any other
Listers.
I am sticking with the theory that the name is based on Old English due to
the available evidence so far, until anything Celtic suggests otherwise.
Best wishes Timcatt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis and Margaret Catley" <denniscatley(a)paradise.net.nz
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>; <CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 3:59 AM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Midsomer Norton Catleys
Hi Tim
I am the one referred to in the reference to William Aubrey's
brother's line in New Zealand, that is James son of Robert William of
Bristol(1800 born). His family were land-owners that I have traced back to
Chilcompton and Welton of Somerset. I can go back to Thomas Catley(born
1712) of Welton. They seem to have been farmers predominantly althrough
Robert William was a Draper in Bristol as Jann has mentioned married to
Ann
Brodrib desended from another farming family, Brodrib's of
Clutton.
I would be interested in testing Dna but at this time the cost is
prohibitive, I am on a Govt pension and looking at leg surgery that will
take up to six months to complete!
Therefore maybe later this year I could look at it.
As to the origins of the Catley name I remember some mention of
an Irish connection, apparently there is an ancient Irish surname that
translated to Catley/Keighley. The surname was O'Gathloaick if I have
spelt
it right. This would take the Genepool back past the Catley Priory
time
would it not.
Regards Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Cattley" <timjhcat(a)tiscali.co.uk
To:
<catley(a)rootsweb.com>; <CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com
Sent:
Monday, April 02, 2007 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Midsomer Norton Catleys
> Jann/Glynis
> I remember now reading about the property+land owning
side of the
Midsomer
> Norton Catleys but had not realised that they were separate to
your clan
> (for present) Glynis.
> I think that Jann's female line can not be used for
Ydna testing more is
> the
> pity, but she makes ref to William Aubrey's brothers line from NZ, is
that
> the same branch as the Dennis that you allude to?
> Apart from a Y dna test using Dennis/NZ samples possibly
indicating that
> the
> Somerset Norton Catleys are all of one origin, the fact that Peters
sample
> does not match any others yet tested, is nothing to be
disappointed
about
> I
> would think.
> Most of the tests so far, have been from the Northern
Cat*ley limits of
> the
> name, ie Lincolnshire and Yorkshire etc.
>>From what I recall, the thought is, that the Somerset
Norton Catleys are
> from an early settlement ex London area and that is why I indicated in
my
> previous email that I do think we need more
London/Essex/Kent/Herts
> Cat*ley
> dna input to give a balance here.
> I think that we all probably agree now, that the Cat*ley
origins are
> probably more diverse than we first thought and do not come from one
> central
> origin such as the Priory in Lincs which used the Catley name in circa
> 1143
> AD.
> The only way we will be able to get a full view as to how
diverse, or
> otherwise, the Catley name is, will be more volunteers coming to the
cause
> and pooling their dna with the rest of us.
> Regards Tim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Glynis Brown" <glynisb(a)shaw.ca
> To:
<CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007
12:49 AM
> Subject: [CATLEY] Midsomer Norton Catleys
>> Tim & Jann:
>
>> William Aubrey Catley is a Midsomer Norton (Somerset)
Catley however I
> have not been able to attached this particular branch to mine, yet! The
> William Aubrey Catley were more affluent farmers while my gang were all
> down
> the pit! So while they come from the same town they were some miles
apart!
>
>> Dennis, who is on the
list, is a descendant of this branch too and I
> while I am sure a DNA test would prove we are from a common ancestor
> finding
> that ancestor will still be task. My brother, Peter, has done the test
but
> as yet there are no others who have taken the test that are
related to
us.
>
>> So come on people give it
a try because the more people that take the
>> test
> the more chances we can find a connection.
>
>> All the best
>
>> Glynis
>
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