Hi Liz,
I agree with David in that I was hoping that the Y37 marker test from FTDNA
would give us a bit more information about our likely origins POST ICE AGE
i.e. if of Celtic or Norse or Angle descent for example.
Instead it seems to be geared to give only a precise identification as to
the likelihood of one person being related to another.
FTDNA seem content to simply give one their Haplogroup identification (in
my case R1b1c) and then talk in general terms that in this case, the
Haplogroup originated in S.E.Europe and migrated Westwards to the Atlantic
seaboard but were then forced to go South into southern
France/Spain/Portugal to avoid the last Ice Age.
Whilst this is interesting news, I think it more relevant that we know how
things developed when the ice retreated and the Haplogroup started to
recolonise Northern Europe.
Like David I saw the recent TV programs where they were dna testing for Celt
etc and wondered if with our Y37 marker info, there is enough evidence there
to test under different criteria??
Regards Tim C
----- Original Message -----
From: "liz cordingley" <lizcordingley(a)blueyonder.co.uk>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 11:53 PM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] DNA results
Hi David,
I already had a feeling that somewhere down the line we would be related.
However as its Emma that links you to Catley's this would be no good
testing
your DNA. When they do the testing for the DNA its genetic but they
also
tell you which Halotype you are and it is from this that tells you where
you
came from originally. Most people in England come from Southern
France.
This
is very strange indeed considering history as one would have thought
it
being from the Saxons as you mentioned. I will check tomorrow where all
those that have done the test came from originally. Of course this is
going
back pre ice age so we are talking thousands of years.
If you and John are related who is the connection. I already have your
details maybe I could look into it further to establish a link with my
dad.
I know I can get back as far as Thomas and Mary whose children came
from
Bottesford so we are looking at about 1770.
I have just recieved a death cert for Caroline Catley, she was blind and
lived with her Aunt Elizabeth Bailey on the 41 and 51 census in Dryppol
Yorkshire.
It states she was the daughter of Zaccheaus a joiner but deceased. I know
that Zacc died in 1875 Twickenham. Zac's other daughter Mary lived with
her
grandad in Hastings. Zac was in a poor house around about that time.
I
need
to get the info on that and it might give me more clues. I think that
he
farmed his children out to family especially Caroline as she was blind.
His
first wife died young in 1826 so he wouldnt have been able to look
after
them although he did remarry in 1827. Perhaps his new wife didnt want
children!! Then I have the other problem of Caroline b 7/4/1822 c
23/4/1824
Hastings and Caroline Ann c 21/4/1822 Sculcoates. Surely there cant
be 2
Zac and Rebeccas unless one is from Zac's uncle Zac. Having said that I
have
found Uncle Zac in Canada.
Liz
-------Original Message-------
From: catley(a)rootsweb.com
Date: 06/22/07 23:24:58
To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] DNA results
Hello Liz,
Do you have to be a present day Catley for the purposes of the test?
My Catley genes come via my paternal grandmother's mum (Emma Jane Catley,
1851 @
Lincoln) - would that be too far removed.
I don't consider this a necessity as such because (Frederic) John Catley
and
I
descend from a mutual forefather up in north Lincs.
I've been following this DNA thread with interest and note you and John
share
the same Catley genes which I assume I must do as well.
But here's the thing, is it that the shared genes between you and John
actually
indicate a link specifically pertaining to the Catley line in Lincs as
opposed
to a more general link in terms of 'tribal/race origins'. I refer to
several
documentaries that have appeared on the UK TV Channels recently covering
the
current indigenous population of selected regions down the eastern
side of
England which sought to establish whether they were of Celtic or Anglo
Saxon
descent etc. As you will be aware, there was a strong Danish
presence in
Lincs.
Some of the results given in these documentaries were able to locate the
areas
over on the continent from whence the various individual's ancestors had
embarked from.
Over to you...sorry!
David Meredith
Nottingham
----- Original Message -----
From: "liz cordingley" <lizcordingley(a)blueyonder.co.uk>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] DNA results
> HI Michael, and all
> Unfortunately it has to be the male side with the test we are doing. You
> haven't got a any Catley male cousin's floating around. It doesn't
matter
> where in the world you live. The kit comes from America and they
will
post
> it anywhere, they accept all major credit cards for payment on a
secure
line
> The only person who gets to know the results is yourself and me as well
as
> FamilytreeDNA of course. Its only when you get a match that they send an
> email to both matches stating there is a match. etc.
>
>
> If anybody wants to look at the results let me know as I can paste them
and
> send them to you, it doesn't give out names just results.
> Liz
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: catley(a)rootsweb.com
> Date: 06/22/07 19:38:46
> To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CATLEY] DNA results
>
> I know I am a member of the Norton St Philip Catley's (my maternal
> grandmother) - is that any use? I have her tree well documented back a
few
> generations.
>
> Only trouble I have, is that I live in Australia, Sydney.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:catley-bounces@rootsweb.com]
On
> Behalf Of Tim Cattley
> Sent: Friday, 22 June 2007 8:47 AM
> To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CATLEY] DNA results
>
> Hi Liz,
>
> I think you are referring to John Catley. He may be a full Frederic John
but
> he answers to John.
>
> If this is he (knowing that "John" had sent a dna sample) then there is
no
> doubt about the Lincolnshire connection Liz as we are fully
aware that
Johns
> roots are firmly in that County.
>
> This new information rather tends to blow out of the water the neat
theory
> that all Cat*leys stem from a Lincolnshire central source who
dispersed
> South into East Anglia and thence to London and at the same time North
West
> into Yorkshire.
>
> What we now really need is a dna sample from a member of the Anstey
Cat*leys
> from Hertfordshire plus a line known to be in the London/Essex area
before
> the Lincs/Yorks/Herts Cat*leys started migrating that way. Also
a sample
of
> West Country Cat*ley is missing (Somerset Norton/Bristol etc) to
complete
> the known spread of Catley geographical "pockets".
>
> Just how many separate individual Cat*ley trees are there? We will
never
> know the full count unless more Listers participate.
>
> Regards, Tim Cattley
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "liz cordingley" <lizcordingley(a)blueyonder.co.uk>
> To: "catley" <CATLEY(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 9:03 PM
> Subject: [CATLEY] DNA results
>
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Just to put you in the picture with the latest results. Frederic John
> Catley
>> is related to my dad and I would say this is from the Lincolnshire
>> connection. I've already informed you about Tim and Margs family being
>> related from Yorkshire. However we are not related to Tim or Marg.
>>
>> Are there any other volunteers for different areas that can do the test
> and
>> maybe we might get another match. Heres hoping.
>>
>> Liz
>>
>>
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