Hi David
Sorry you can not make the Catley get together in May next.
For three of us, this will not be the first meet up and it almost certainly
will not be the last as we hope to meet every few years so there will be
other opportunities
Regards Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: "David BARKER" <davidwbarker(a)wanadoo.fr>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 1:07 AM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Clavering Catley's
Hi Tim and Allan
Sorry I can't make it to the catley reunion
Some things to remember in terms of records being moved are ;
that county boundaries may change over time ,
that post 1837 registration districts are not necessarily strictly county
and may
change too,
and that deaneries and diocesean jurisdictions can overlap county
borders.
Does anyone know which deaneries cover the Catley areas of the three
adjoining counties ?
Dave Barker
> Message du 02/12/07 11:42
> De : "Tim Cattley"
> A : catley(a)rootsweb.com
> Copie à :
> Objet : Re: [CATLEY] Clavering Catley's
>
> Hi Alan,
>
> I do wish my memory was better (signs of advancing age!) because I am
sure
> that another Lister (maybe Mick?) has made previous comment
about Cambs
> records going to Herts.
>
> In the case of Royston, etc, I can understand the logic here because
Royston
> IS in Hertfordshire.
>
> It all becomes very confusing because of the fact that the geographical
area
> that these
Barley/Barkway/Anstey/Royston/Bassingbourne/Melbourne/Gt
Chishall
> etc etc etc Cat*leys came from, is smack bang on the borders
where the
three
> Counties of Essex/Cambs/Herts all meet.
>
> To illustrate the point:- if one was in the village of Barley (Herts)
and
> took the minor road, the B1039 towards Wendens Ambo (don't
you just love
> these quaint English village names!) within half a mile, you cross over
the
> border into Cambs and in another half mile you arrive at Great
Chishall,
> carry on West through the village and within another mile you exit Cambs
and
> enter Essex!
>
> Cheers
>
> Tim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Allan"
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 6:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Clavering Catley's
>
>
> Hi Tim
>
> Interesting you should say there appears to be extracts missing.
>
> When I came to England last I spent some time in the Suffolk records
office,
> thinking initially we came from Bury St Edmunds/Cambridge area.
> The three Lettis/Ann/John bapts. were all copied from records in
Cambridge
> and that is all I could find for Joseph and Elizabeth.
> The research assistant told me that at some stage Royston records were
> changed from Cambridgeshire to Herfordshire!!!
> Is this possible and does anyone know when?
> I am still waiting for my Herts records to arrive but 8 children over 17
> years is highly likely.
>
> Thanks
>
> Allan Catley.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Cattley"
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 6:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Clavering Catley's
>
>
> Hi Allan,
>
> My IGI printouts (ex fische) for Herts give very little info for
Royston, to
> the point where I am wondering if the person who did the
extracts missed
> some sheets out but having said that, the name sequences run in correct
> order of alphabet.
>
> I can not see Joseph + Elizabeths m for 1771 nor the three children
> Lettis/Ann/John (1772-1775) but interestingly, what does show up are the
> following christening dates and in each case the parents are listed as:-
> Catley......Joseph and Elizabeth
>
> Robert C 25Dec 1777
> James C 2Feb 1781
> Mary C 6Dec 1782
> Joseph C 19Nov 1784
> Elizabeth C 7Aug 1789
>
> Obviously there could have been more that one Joseph+Elizabeth Catley in
> Royston at this time, however I see a "run" of eight Catley children
> covering a 17 year span and I just wonder if they are all one family?
>
> Just a thought
>
> Regards
>
> Timcatt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Allan"
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 4:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Clavering Catley's
>
>
> Hi Liz
>
> Looking for Joseph Catley married Elizabeth Crane 30/9/1771 in Royston.
> He is noted on the PR as a sojourner to this parish and his name is
spelt
> Catle.
>
> 3 children
> Lettis bapt. 25/12/1775
> Ann bapt. 22/3/1772
> John bapt. 6/3/1774
> Bapt cert all spell his name Catley.
> My problem is I do not know where he was born and where to start
looking.
>
> Regards
>
> Allan Catley
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "liz cordingley"
> To:
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 3:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Clavering Catley's
>
>
> Allan,
> Who are you looking for. Only whilst I'm doing the Barley etc lot I am
also
> trying to do the Sawston/Cam. lot.
> Liz
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: catley(a)rootsweb.com
> Date: 11/28/07 18:16:35
> To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Clavering Catley's
>
> Hi Sharon
>
> I would appreciate it if you could send me the list. I am still trying
to
> find a birth record of one of my Sawston Catleys who was married
in
Royston.
>
> Thank you
> Allan Catley
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sharon White"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 4:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Clavering Catley's
>
>
> Hi Tim
> This is exactly my problem - who is the other Charles? I seem to be
going
> round in circles! I've had a quick search of FreeBMD just to
see what
they
> might have listed so far, and there is a death of a Charles
Cattley Dec
Qtr
> 1859 Royston (no age given), then another Charles Cattley Jun
Qtr 1871
> Royston age 47 (b.1824)and another Charles Cattley Dec Qtr 1888 Royston
age
> 67 (b.1821). None of them were listed with a single 't'
spelling.
>
> I did also contact the Hertfordshire Record Office with a view to
purchasing
> the Parish Registers on fiche, but they have converted theirs
onto
microfilm
> at a cost of £36 each!!! I think I just might have to give that
one a
miss
> at the moment! I have got a complete list though of everything
they hold
to
> do with the Church of England Parish Registers which I can
forward on to
> anyone who would like to see it.
>
> Question for Liz - Charles Catley b.1814 who married Arundell b.1811 -
what
> was her maiden name please? Thanks!
> Sharon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:catley-bounces@rootsweb.com]
On
> Behalf Of Tim Cattley
> Sent: 26 November 2007 22:48
> To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Clavering Catley's
>
> Don't worry about it Sharon I make more mistakes than anybody on the
List!
>
> I already have microfiche copies of three pages of IGI for Herts and
they
> have not been that helpful.
>
> Here are all the Charles' shown
>
> Catley Charles Mary Newman H. M. 30Jul1738 Barkway
> Catley Charles Charles Catley M. C. 09May1745 Barkway
> Catley Charles Newman Catley/Jemima M.C. 10Mar1776 Barkway
> Catley Charles Geo Cattley/Elizh M.C. 29Apr1781 Barkway
> Catley Charles Hannah Roberts H.M. 20Nov1783 Little Hormead
> Catley Charles Mary Wythe H.M. 14Dec1799 Throcking
> Catley Charles Geo Catley/Mary Ann M.C. 13Nov1808 Barkway
> Catley Charles Joseph Catley/Elizabeth M.C. 25Sep1814 Anstey
> Catley Charles James Catley/Sarah M.C. 27Jul1823 Anstey
> Catley Charles Samuell Catley/Elizabeth M.C. 18Apr1854 Anstey
>
> H.M.= Husband. Marriage
> M.C.= Male. Christening.
>
> I dont think that the discovery of a Charles m Eliz Tolfts does anything
to
> upset the m details of Charles m Susan Bentley, although there
is
nothing
> for m under Charles in IGI, if you
familysearch.org Susan
Bentley it
gives m
> to Charles as 1849 and that she died in 1864 which rather
confirms the
work
> done by the Vicar of Anstey so I think we have to believe that
there was
a
> Charles Catley m to a Susan Bentley.
>
> To my mind, what does throw everything into confusion is the reality of
the
> 1851 Census which shows two Charles' both aged 28 living
next door to
> eachother as I explained in my email to Elaine. The guy with Susan as
wife
> has surely just got to be Charles and Susan nee Bentley. If
thatis
proved
> to be the case, then who on earth is (was) the Charles next door
at No
65?!
>
> Do you think we will resolve this before May 2008!!!
>
> All best
>
> Timcatt
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sharon White"
> To:
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 1:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Clavering Catley's
>
>
> > Hi Tim
> > You're right - I had a 'funny 5 minutes' when I typed this e mail
in!
> Blame
> > it on lack of sleep - I've had an ill child keeping me up for the past
few
> > nights! Sorry for any confusion, but yes, James (b.1814)
was the son
of
> > Edward and Elizabeth nee Fox, as you rightly state.
> > I'm going to order some of the fiches for the Hertfordshire records to
try
> > to clear some of the queries up. I have searched through
everything I
have
> > over the weekend and it has all pointed to James b.1814
dying in 1815.
> > However, what I am wondering is quite often, if a child dies, another
one
> is
> > given the same name and if this James died in the early part of 1815,
> > perhaps shortly afterwards another James was born in the same year. I
> really
> > need to get hold of the parish records fiches to try to solve some
> > mysteries! I thought it was a real breakthrough though discovering the
> > Clavering link.
> > I am having a real headache with the Charles Catley problem though.
Having
> > discovered the marriage of Charles Catley to Elizabeth
Tolfts
recently, it
> > has thrown into disarray the marriages of Charles Catley to
Susan
Bentley
> > and Mary Chap(p)el. Like you, I don't think the one
Charles married
three
> > times, but I also haven't found a marriage from the
earlier Catley
> > generation of Charles Catley to Sarah (as far as I can tell!).
> > I will keep on searching though and exploring all avenues to try to
solve
> > this one - I do like a challenge!! I'll keep you
updated on everything
I
> > find out.
> > Thanks for all your help and support though Tim!
> > Sharon
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:catley-bounces@rootsweb.com]
On
> > Behalf Of Tim Cattley
> > Sent: 25 November 2007 23:23
> > To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
> > Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Clavering Catley's
> >
> > Hi Sharon/Liz
> >
> > Like Liz, I have a note here to indicate that Martha was b 1870 Wendon
> > whereas all the other siblings were b Clavering.
> >
> > Sharon. I think you may have dropped a generation from what you say.
The
> > James b 1814 who m Hannah aka Ann Chipperfield was the son
of Edward b
> 1781
> > who m Elizabeth Fox in 1813.
> > It was James' grandfather who was Edward b 1746 who m Martha Lilly.
> >
> > The original suggestion that James died in 1815 comes from Candis
> > Cattley-Sanders who did the first main research on the Anstey Cat*leys
so
> > your information that he founded the Clavering branch and
did not die
> until
> > 1893 in Saffron Waldon is interesting news indeed.
> >
> > Candis' work has formed the core of my own data and from what I have
> > discovered since obtaining it from her in 2003, is that it looks to be
> > pretty solid with regard to the "main Anstey" pedigree but she has
not
> > looked to expand out from there and there could be errors/omissions on
the
> > perimeters, as it were.
> >
> > Have any of you resolved "The Charles Catley problem" yet?
> >
> > Timcatt
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "liz cordingley"
> > To:
> > Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 12:18 AM
> > Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Clavering Catley's
> >
> >
> > > Hi Sharon,
> > > You have got the right family. This tree does belong to the Anstey
lot.
> > > Talk soon
> > > Liz
> > >
> > > -------Original Message-------
> > >
> > > From: catley(a)rootsweb.com
> > > Date: 11/21/07 23:34:23
> > > To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
> > > Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Clavering Catley's
> > >
> > > Hi Liz
> > > I can finally reply to this message of yours as I have today
discovered
> > some
> > > information on this which needs to be checked out further before I
add
> it
> > to
> > > the Family Tree Maker database for Herts etc. Catley's!
> > >
> > > The Clavering connection could come from James Catley b.1814 the son
of
> > > Edward b.1746 Barkway who married Martha Lilly. I have
been given
> > > information to suggest that this James, who according to my records
died
> > in
> > > 1815, in fact died in 1893 in Saffron Walden, Essex and married
Hannah
> aka
> > > Ann nee Chipperfield. They had six children, as you have shown, all
born
> > in
> > > Clavering, Essex, although you've got Martha born in Wendon. I
haven't
> yet
> > > checked the births out in any detail. The children were:
> > >
> > > Eliza b. 1847
> > > George b. 1849
> > > John b. 1852
> > > Mary Ann b. 1859
> > > Elizabeth A b. 1864
> > > Martha b. 1870
> > >
> > > Hope this helps a bit Liz, and I will let you know when I've looked
into
> > > this further.
> > > Best wishes,
> > > Sharon
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com
[mailto:catley-bounces@rootsweb.com]
> On
> > > Behalf Of liz cordingley
> > > Sent: 12 October 2007 16:00
> > > To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
> > > Subject: [CATLEY] Clavering Catley's
> > >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > Is there anyone who has Catley's that came from Clavering in their
tree.
> I
> > > am looking for James and Hannah
> > >
> > > children
> > >
> > > Eliza b 1848
> > >
> > > George b 1849
> > >
> > > John b 1849
> > >
> > > Mary Ann b 1859
> > >
> > > Elizabeth A b 1864
> > >
> > > Martha b 1870 Wendon
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Liz
> > >
> > >
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