Hi Liz,
thanks for the insight regarding Thomas.
Yes, please send me the family tree, that would be interesting to look at.
Regards
Anthony
On 8 Aug 2015, at 9:44 pm, lizcordingley via
<catley(a)rootsweb.com> wrote:
Hi Anthony and Tim,
I have the family tree on my lap top and haven't put it on any web site. I
think I am the only one who has all the details. I can send it to you.
The reason why I think Thomas didn't mention his mother could be because she
died in 1838 and the family where very poor. Some of the kids ended up in
the poor house one of which died there. This could explain why he felt the
need to steal.
As far as DNA is concerned, I know you are related as 1st cousin however
sometimes when a family had a lot of children they gave them to a family
member or where adopted in unofficially to ease the pressure of money etc.
So although it could open a can of worms if you took the test I would say it
is worth taking. Just to make sure that 100%. Probably not explaining this
properly but I am sure you get the idea, if not email me.
Liz
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Cattley
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 12:37 PM
To: Anthony Catley
Cc: catley(a)rootsweb.com ; lizcordingley
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Another Cat*ley Familytreedna test coming up
Liz may be able to add more but until she answers, herewith my take on the
situation for you Anthony, hopefully it may help:-
Two schools of thought re you doing a dna test, Bernie has already done one
at Y37 level so little point in doing it again seeing as you are 1st
cousins. Some may say it is prudent to have a 2nd test done as it should
confirm the 1st one, but if not?!? If you really want to spend some money
on it, why not go for a test at a higher level, say Y61 or Y111? This could
narrow the field later on, however none of the rest of us have yet seen the
need to take things beyond Y37.
As for a web site with Thomas Catley and spouse Jane Vizor. Assuming you
are a paid up member of one of the genealogical websites such as Ancestry
etc, you should be able to gain access to anybody who has filed their tree
with them but if you do go have a looksee, please treat what you see with
great caution. There are numerous examples of howling errors everywhere due
to people simply cribbing other peoples work and not checking it.
I would suggest you wait until Liz reproduces her "Thomas of Camerton"
research, least that way you can rely on what you see as being accurate.
Tim
On Fri, 7 Aug 2015 17:27:12 +0800
Anthony Catley <acatley(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I haven’t been able to devote any time to Catley tree research over the
> past few years.
> Thanks for the work you are all putting in, it’s appreciated.
> Maybe in a month or two I would be able to get a DNA test done if it would
> help.
> Bernie Catley is my cousin and he has already submitted the results of his
> test. As his
> first cousin, would my test therefore be redundant? Please let me know.
>
> Is there a website where I can look at the family tree of Thomas Catley
> and Jane Vizor?
>
> Thomas Catley (the convict) only had Thomas named as his father on his
> death certificate.
> No entry for the mother. He gives his birth place as Bath. His Certificate
> Of Freedom gives his
> birth date as 1817. It looks like you probably have the correct parents. I
> wonder why Thomas the
> Convict didn’t have his mother’s name on his death certificate? He was in
> a “Hospital for the
> Insane” when he died. Had he forgotten his mother’s name? Did he never
> speak of her to
> anyone? Curious.
>
> Thanks again
> Anthony Catley
>
>
>
>> On 7 Aug 2015, at 12:28 am, Tim Cattley via <catley(a)rootsweb.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Good afternoon Liz,
>>
>> I take it then that you are referring to Thomas Catley birth 29/06/1817
>> in the Holloway district of Bath, the son of Thomas Catley and his 2nd
>> wife Jane Vizor ?
>> Year and location look good for a fit with Bernie and Anthony's Thomas.
>>
>> Did you find any Camertons known still living? They seem to have fizzled
>> out here in Westminster Ldn but then there was George Robert born 1906
>> Chester who went to Canada (emig Liverpool-Halifax N.S.1929) and
>> possibly
>> married a Phyllis unknown according to Canada/US border crossings 1940.
>>
>> Does Bernie+Anthony know about this or did I miss the excitement
>> somehow?
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 16:24:26 +0100
>> "lizcordingley" <lizcordingley(a)blueyonder.co.uk
>> <mailto:lizcordingley@blueyonder.co.uk>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>> Just so you know I have linked Thomas of Bath and the Camerton Tree to
>>> Thomas of Wellow and gone back to 1693. The Camerton tree is the
>>> Ing/Catley
>>> connection.
>>> Obviously this is with out 100% proof although very probable.
>>> Liz
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Tim Cattley via
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 3:16 PM
>>> To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
>>> Subject: [CATLEY] Another Cat*ley Familytreedna test coming up
>>>
>>>
>>> Listers may recall that we have some 13 different Cat*ley dna tests
>>> lodged
>>> with FTDNA in the United States which have already shown that
>>> regionally,
>>> some share common ancestors.
>>>
>>> Thus the two Lincolnshire trees:- Thomas of Bottesford 1742 and William
>>> of
>>> Kirton 1709 are connected
>>>
>>> as are
>>>
>>> The three Hertfordshire/Cambs/Essex ones:- James of Barley 1709. Joseph
>>> of
>>> Royston 1771 and Joseph of Melbourn 1804.
>>>
>>> and also
>>>
>>> The four Yorks ones:- Stevan of Normanton 1580. Robert of Garforth
>>> 1690.
>>> Edmund of Bilton 1724 and John of Leeds 1825. So close is the match
>>> between
>>> Robert of Garforth and Edmund of Bilton (marker distance 1) that the
>>> connection that joins them is now known.
>>>
>>> However, new research has just come to light which indicates very
>>> strongly
>>> that a connection exists between the Garforth-/-Bilton Catley tree and
>>> that
>>> of Robert Catley of Rothwell. In the light of this news, I have today
>>> got a
>>> a bona fide Rothwell male to volunteer to take the test. Fingers
>>> crossed for
>>> another marker distance 1 result
>>>
>>> We should not of course, overlook our four lonely dna tested trees
>>> where no
>>> match has been found :-
>>>
>>> Emery of Midsomer Norton 1731 Somerset
>>> John of Hackney 1803
>>> Thomas of Bath 1819
>>> Charles of Greenwich 1867.
>>>
>>> I suspect that the Emery of MSN tree is linked in to the Thomas of
>>> Welton
>>> line, has anybody got any contact with a Welton male who would take the
>>> test?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Tim
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