Hi Nigel,
Am MOST grateful for your time and trouble in looking out Cattleys in India
for me.
Did not expect you to do an on-line search but am most appreciative of
the
results.
All that which you have come up with is new info to me but
"fits" into the
general order
of family tree information.
British history of India is not my forte but I did know that HEIC ran the
place both
>commercially and militarily
until apres Indian Mutiny when the Crown took over.
The military details for both Henry Chad and Arthur John are encouraging
and I
shall have to endeavour to find now as to where they are buried and
the
circumstances
concerning their deaths.
Thank's also for the marriage information, re Fanny Ellen Duff Toke and
location
plus date.
The Frances Lydia Cattley marriage to Francis John Moberly of the Madras
Engineers
is
of my Tree and infact Frances was Arthur John's elder sister but
how she
came to be in India
in the first place is a question I must now find the answer to!
The Kettlewell/Cattley marriage is also known as is the source of the
"Wildman
connection"
but your input re Wildman-Kettlewell has me thinking that I need to
check
this bit out.
In all Nigel, a most informative bit of digging on my behalf, much
appreciated indeed.
Regards
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nigel Butterfield" <nigelb(a)bulrush.me.uk>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Cc: "Tim Catley" <timjhcat(a)tiscali.co.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Cat*leys in India
Hi Tim-
I had forgotten you were a double T Cattley, so unlike Liz, I would not
have
made notes on either of your candidates. I will however follow up
next
time
I go to the British Library, although that may not be for a few
weeks. The
IOR references you give are the India Office Records kept at the BL, so
there should be something there.
In the meantime however, looking at what is available online
Henry Chadd Cattley-
Fibis and Family Search both have record of his marriage to Fanny Ellen
Duff Toke on 1 Sept 1863 at Mussoorie, West Bengal, India- the microfiche
ref is N1/105/81
Fibis record from the 'war service records of officers in the Bengal
Army'-
a Lieutenant HC Cattley -late 62nd Native Infantry.
Promotions:-
Ensign 20 mar 1851; Lieut. 23 Nov 1856. The word 'late'
probably means he
had left that regiment at the time the list was compiled (1863?)
British Lib. Search reveals record of Death of Henry Chad Cattley on 24
Oct
1865 at Mian Mir . Status Maj, BenSC. - no I don't know what
this means
either but will follow up on BL visit! Mian Mur appears to be in Lahore.
If Henry was in the East India Company's Bengal army stationed in that
part
of Bengal in the late 1850's his luck was out as this was where
the Indian
Mutiny (1857-58) was at its worst. However it appears he survived until
1865, by which time the East India Company Armies had been taken over by
the
Crown.
Arthur John Cattley
British Lib - refer to a Biography (or more likely a biographical article
or note) for Arthur John Cattley under the reference l/AG/23/10/1-2 and
refer to him being in the Madras Army and born 20 May 1821
Fibis record the Madras Almanacs's shipping Arrivals and Departures at
Madras and note the following under AJ Cattley:-
i) 23 Jul 1843 - Departure for London via The Cape of
Lieut AJ Cattley, 1st European Regt. Fusiliers aboard the ship London
captained by JT Atwood.
ii) 19 Aug 1846 - Arrival from Portsmouth (departure 10
May) of Lieut AJ Cattley 1st Madras Fusiliers aboard the ship Robert
Small, captain T Scott
Other
Fibis also mentioned the following two marriages reported in the
periodical
Gentleman's magazine, which may or may not be relevant:-
27 Dec 1847 , Madras - Francis John Moberly esq (of the Madras Engineers)
to
Francis-Lydia Cattley only daughter of the late Robert James Cattley
of
Wandsworth
18 Sept 1843 - Leyton (in the UK) William Wildman Kettlewell esq of
Calcutta to Ellen, eldest daughter of Stephen Wildman Cattley esq of
Leyton.
At least that's what transcription says , I doubt the
coincidence of the
two 'Wildmans' .
In any event, I looked up marriage on UK BMDs and found it Q3 1843, Sub
Dist West Ham, Vol 12, Page 423.
I hope this helps, and will let you know if I pick up any more at next BL
visit
Regards
Nigel
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Cattley" <timjhcat(a)tiscali.co.uk>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 11:59 PM
Subject: [CATLEY] Cat*leys in India
> Hello Nigel,
>
> Ref our conversation at the Oxford Cat*ley gathering concerning Cattleys
> in India as well as Catleys:-
>
> Thank you for volunteering to have a look-see for me.
>
> Herewith the information you need to identify the two members of my Tree
> who saw military service in India and died out there.
>
> Arthur John Cattley 1821-1850
> Henry Chad Cattley 1834-1865.
>
> They were infact 2nd cousins, Arthur's grandfather being Robert Cattley
of
> Lime Street, City of London and Henry's being Stephen
Cattley of
> Camberwell, London and it is highly likely that they knew oneanother.
>
> As far as I know, they were accepted by The Honourable East India
Company
> in UK as Officer Cadets and then posted to India as one would
suppose.
> What sort of training they got here in the UK (if any) I know not as I
> have not researched the workings of the H.E.I.C. from the methods of
> recruitment of either Army or Navy.
>
> The only other thing we know is that Henry married in India to one
> Fanny.E.D.Toke but when and where is unknown.
>
> Thus we know nothing of their service within the H.I.E.C. Which
> Regiments? Where served? What Officer status? How died?
>
> So: if in your travels around the National Archives looking at Catley
> India Military information, you happen to stumble across these two
> Cattleys, self and Erica + Joan would be most interested to learn of
> anything you happen to unearth.
>
> The only clues I can give you is that the HEIC Cadet Papers come under
the
> ref:- IOR/L/MIL/9
>
> To that effect:
>
> There would appear to be the following leads:-
>
> Arthur John:............. IOR/L/MIL/9/190/502-05
> Henry Chad:............. IOR/L/MIL/9/225/330-40
>
> Henry Chad is supposed to "have died on active service" which could mean
> anything!
>
> Please do not devote any more time to this than you feel reasonable as
> when I change this pc and go broadband (soon now hopefully!) I should be
> able to be a bit more self supportive in the research department and not
> rely on good natureship of other Listers! ......... Liz please note!!!
>
> Best wishes
>
> Tim
>
>
>
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