Hi Tim
I thought you had this info. Michael b 20/3/1774 married Ann ? then had 2
children John 1808 and Benjamin 1801 Hull, Zacheaus b 19/10/1777 went to
Canada, Henry b 18/10/1872 don't know what happened to him, Zipporah c
24/1/1776 don't know what happened to her, Thomas 20/3/1771 went to Hull
then ended up in Hastings via Shadwell London. Benjamin c 24/7/1781 married
Sarah and stayed in Lincolnshire. Joseph married Elizabeth and went to
Canada. These are all children of Thomas and Mary Andrews from Lincolnshire.
I think all the brothers except Benjamin went to Hull then moved on.
Liz
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Cattley" <felis(a)mypostoffice.co.uk>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] James+Jane and sons George+James
Hi Liz,
Maybe I have missed out on some of your e-mails, because I was not aware
that Joseph+Elizabeth Catley plus issue were part of your tree. I thought
that the first involvement your "Thomas of Ashby" tree had with Hull was
when Zaccheus went there and married Rebecca Oliver there in 1816.
As Joseph+Elizabeth's children were bapt Hull 1805 this predates Zaccheus
and means I am missing a chunk of your tree somewhere. Maybe sometime you
can give me an update here so that I can get the correct tree allocations
on
the main bmd spreadsheet.......... you have a recent copy of it (work in
progress) and what I have on your Thomas of Ashby line is coloured light
purple so you will see instantly what I have and have not got so far.
Thank's for the update re Thomas+Janes children.
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: "lizcordingley" <lizcordingley(a)blueyonder.co.uk>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 6:13 PM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] James+Jane and sons George+James
> Hi Tim
> The Joseph and Elizabeth belong to me. Joseph eventually died in USA.
> Benjamin is the one who built Shadowlawns in Mississipi. There is a
> marriage
> for a Mary about the right time frame in Quebec but not sure for
> definate
> if its the same Mary. As for Ann I dont know except that they all went to
> Canada in 1817.
>
> William is on the 1841 census but I cant find a birth record for him. It
> could be he was born prior to registration. Robert possibly died in Sept
> Q
> 1846 as I can't find him on any other census. Andrew married Caroline
> Hokisson in Croydon. Frederick married Ann E Shaw ( Annie) Caistor reg
> district. Thomas jn married Jane, no. of options Penson in 61 Lincoln,
> Jackson in Hunslet 60 or Godfrey in 56 Sculcoates.
> Liz
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Cattley" <felis(a)mypostoffice.co.uk>
> To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 11:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [CATLEY] James+Jane and sons George+James
>
>
>> Hi Liz + Anthony
>> As for other sons of James+Jane, am I right in taking it that you have
>> identified Robert b 1841. Andrew b 1845 and Frederick b 1847 as definite
>> sons? I can not find your William however.
>> There are two births recorded for 1/4 1844 no names, 1 male 1 female
>> which
>> look to be infant deaths.
>> Have you spotted the death of a James for 4/4 1860, was that father or
>> son,
>> assuming that James jnr returned to Hull following his time in Bermuda?
>>
>> I notice that whilst all this was going on in Hull proper, there were a
>> number of Catley events going on in the Sculcoats Reg Dist nearby but
>> presumably a different sub branch.
>>
>> However I wonder if there is any connection between James Snr and Joseph
>> Catley who m Elizabeth and had Benjamin/Mary/Ann and then all emigrated
>> to
>> Canada? Their baptisms are shown as Holy Trinity, Hull same as James'
>> children.
>>
>> Tim
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "lizcordingley" <lizcordingley(a)blueyonder.co.uk>
>> To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 11:37 PM
>> Subject: Re: [CATLEY] James+Jane and sons George+James
>>
>>
>>> Something else puzzles me. On the 41 census it states Jane came from
>>> Scotland. On the 51 census she was born in Hull. I have a death for a
>>> Jane
>>> Sept 1857 Hull and a marriage for James not long after Dec 1857 to Jane
>>> Hannah Walker or Eliza Raine. We all know they married quick after the
>>> wife
>>> died because of the children being young. Could this be why I have 2
>>> different birth places. Perhaps James married twice to Janes!!
>>> So far for James and Jane I have Thomas, James, William, George,
>>> Andrew,
>>> Robert and Frederick. No girls. I have descendants for Thomas Andrew
>>> and
>>> Fredrick only so far.
>>>
>>> Liz
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Tim Cattley" <felis(a)mypostoffice.co.uk>
>>> To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 11:03 PM
>>> Subject: [CATLEY] James+Jane and sons George+James
>>>
>>>
>>>> >Well Liz,
>>>>>That makes two of us because I have a BMD work doc for the Yorks East
>>>>> Riding based on what you sent to me a long time ago, plus additional
>>>>> bits
>>>>> from the IGI which show the birth on 22/9/1831 of George and James,
>>>>> the
>>>>>sons of James & Jane Catley in Hull.
>>>>>
>>>>>However, over in York, also on 22/9/1831 the sons of James and Jane
>>>>>Cattley were baptised at St Dennis' Church ..........according to
the
>>>>>IGI
>>>>>that
>>>>> is.
>>>>>
>>>>> How strange that two James & Jane's, one Catley the other
Cattley,
>>>>> should
>>>>> both have sons George and James, one pair of sons being born 22/9
and
>>>>> the
>>>>> other being baptised the same day!!
>>>>
>>>> Tim
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "lizcordingley" <lizcordingley(a)blueyonder.co.uk>
>>>> To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 10:24 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [CATLEY] George and James two naughty boys from Hull
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Anthony Tim and all following this line,
>>>>> I don't believe how stupied I am sometimes. Last year at some
point I
>>>>> requested info on BMD from Hull whilst searching my own tree. I
>>>>> actually
>>>>> have the parish record for James and George and Thomas all
christened
>>>>> together at the Holy Trinity Hull on 28/6/1837. James was born
>>>>> 22/9/1831,
>>>>> George same as, and Thomas 11/7/1835. James and Jane parents. James
>>>>> occupation Turner. Abode Hull.
>>>>>
>>>>> Liz
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Anthony M. Carter" <ACarter(a)health.sdu.dk>
>>>>> To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 8:28 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [CATLEY] George and James two naughty boys from Hull
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Tim: I am now in possession of a wealth of information about the
>>>>>> elder
>>>>>> Catley twin James and have educated myself further on
transportation
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> Bermuda. This became an important naval base following the loss
of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> Americam Colonies and the fortifications on Ireland Island were
>>>>>> strengthened using convict labour. It was a most unpopular place
to
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> transported to as there was little accommodation on land and
most
>>>>>> convicts
>>>>>> lived on hulks. The conditions on board were appalling (see
Hansard
>>>>>> 26
>>>>>> July 1860). In addition, whereas convicts in Oz could obtain a
>>>>>> ticket
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> leave and hope for a new life there was nowhere for them to go
on
>>>>>> Bermuda.
>>>>>> Following his conviction on 5 July 1850 James was at the Borough
>>>>>> Gaol
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> Kingston-upon-Hull; he was transferred to Millbank Prison on 21
>>>>>> August
>>>>>> 1850 (and was there on census night the following year); he then
>>>>>> went
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> Stirling Castle, a prison hulk moored off Portsmouth on 14 July
>>>>>> 1851.
>>>>>> His
>>>>>> conduct improved from "not good" in Hull through
indifferent at
>>>>>> Millbank
>>>>>> to good at Stirling Castle. He appears to have been transported
to
>>>>>> Bermuda
>>>>>> on the bark Ascension being received there on 26 January 1852.
There
>>>>>> he
>>>>>> lived as No. 1711 on the Medway Hulk until being returned to
>>>>>> Millbank
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> 23 March 1853. The licence of release had been issued on board
the
>>>>>> Medway
>>>>>> Hulk on 20 February 1855. He was discharged 21 April 1855 with
>>>>>> destination
>>>>>> Hull.
>>>>>> QUESTION: What happened next? Could he be the James Catley found
at
>>>>>> Grimsby or is that body already accounted for? The James in
question
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> joiner.
>>>>>> Physical description: complexion sallow; hair dark brown; eyes
light
>>>>>> brown; height 5 ft 6 in; various scars and marks.
>>>>>> Intriguingly the back of one document has Gratuity 9-2-10,
Passage
>>>>>> Money
>>>>>> 2 - -, Total Due 7-2-10.
>>>>>> QUESTION: Does any lister know if convicts were given money to
help
>>>>>> them
>>>>>> make a new start?
>>>>>> Anthony
>>>>>>
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