Hi Liz,
Maybe I have missed out on some of your e-mails, because I was not aware
that Joseph+Elizabeth Catley plus issue were part of your tree. I thought
that the first involvement your "Thomas of Ashby" tree had with Hull was
when Zaccheus went there and married Rebecca Oliver there in 1816.
As Joseph+Elizabeth's children were bapt Hull 1805 this predates Zaccheus
and means I am missing a chunk of your tree somewhere. Maybe sometime you
can give me an update here so that I can get the correct tree allocations on
the main bmd spreadsheet.......... you have a recent copy of it (work in
progress) and what I have on your Thomas of Ashby line is coloured light
purple so you will see instantly what I have and have not got so far.
Thank's for the update re Thomas+Janes children.
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: "lizcordingley" <lizcordingley(a)blueyonder.co.uk>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 6:13 PM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] James+Jane and sons George+James
Hi Tim
The Joseph and Elizabeth belong to me. Joseph eventually died in USA.
Benjamin is the one who built Shadowlawns in Mississipi. There is a
marriage
for a Mary about the right time frame in Quebec but not sure for definate
if its the same Mary. As for Ann I dont know except that they all went to
Canada in 1817.
William is on the 1841 census but I cant find a birth record for him. It
could be he was born prior to registration. Robert possibly died in Sept Q
1846 as I can't find him on any other census. Andrew married Caroline
Hokisson in Croydon. Frederick married Ann E Shaw ( Annie) Caistor reg
district. Thomas jn married Jane, no. of options Penson in 61 Lincoln,
Jackson in Hunslet 60 or Godfrey in 56 Sculcoates.
Liz
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Cattley" <felis(a)mypostoffice.co.uk>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] James+Jane and sons George+James
> Hi Liz + Anthony
> As for other sons of James+Jane, am I right in taking it that you have
> identified Robert b 1841. Andrew b 1845 and Frederick b 1847 as definite
> sons? I can not find your William however.
> There are two births recorded for 1/4 1844 no names, 1 male 1 female
> which
> look to be infant deaths.
> Have you spotted the death of a James for 4/4 1860, was that father or
> son,
> assuming that James jnr returned to Hull following his time in Bermuda?
>
> I notice that whilst all this was going on in Hull proper, there were a
> number of Catley events going on in the Sculcoats Reg Dist nearby but
> presumably a different sub branch.
>
> However I wonder if there is any connection between James Snr and Joseph
> Catley who m Elizabeth and had Benjamin/Mary/Ann and then all emigrated
> to
> Canada? Their baptisms are shown as Holy Trinity, Hull same as James'
> children.
>
> Tim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "lizcordingley" <lizcordingley(a)blueyonder.co.uk>
> To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 11:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [CATLEY] James+Jane and sons George+James
>
>
>> Something else puzzles me. On the 41 census it states Jane came from
>> Scotland. On the 51 census she was born in Hull. I have a death for a
>> Jane
>> Sept 1857 Hull and a marriage for James not long after Dec 1857 to Jane
>> Hannah Walker or Eliza Raine. We all know they married quick after the
>> wife
>> died because of the children being young. Could this be why I have 2
>> different birth places. Perhaps James married twice to Janes!!
>> So far for James and Jane I have Thomas, James, William, George, Andrew,
>> Robert and Frederick. No girls. I have descendants for Thomas Andrew and
>> Fredrick only so far.
>>
>> Liz
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tim Cattley" <felis(a)mypostoffice.co.uk>
>> To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 11:03 PM
>> Subject: [CATLEY] James+Jane and sons George+James
>>
>>
>>> >Well Liz,
>>>>That makes two of us because I have a BMD work doc for the Yorks East
>>>> Riding based on what you sent to me a long time ago, plus additional
>>>> bits
>>>> from the IGI which show the birth on 22/9/1831 of George and James,
>>>> the
>>>>sons of James & Jane Catley in Hull.
>>>>
>>>>However, over in York, also on 22/9/1831 the sons of James and Jane
>>>>Cattley were baptised at St Dennis' Church ..........according to the
>>>>IGI
>>>>that
>>>> is.
>>>>
>>>> How strange that two James & Jane's, one Catley the other
Cattley,
>>>> should
>>>> both have sons George and James, one pair of sons being born 22/9 and
>>>> the
>>>> other being baptised the same day!!
>>>
>>> Tim
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "lizcordingley" <lizcordingley(a)blueyonder.co.uk>
>>> To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 10:24 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [CATLEY] George and James two naughty boys from Hull
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Anthony Tim and all following this line,
>>>> I don't believe how stupied I am sometimes. Last year at some point
I
>>>> requested info on BMD from Hull whilst searching my own tree. I
>>>> actually
>>>> have the parish record for James and George and Thomas all christened
>>>> together at the Holy Trinity Hull on 28/6/1837. James was born
>>>> 22/9/1831,
>>>> George same as, and Thomas 11/7/1835. James and Jane parents. James
>>>> occupation Turner. Abode Hull.
>>>>
>>>> Liz
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Anthony M. Carter" <ACarter(a)health.sdu.dk>
>>>> To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 8:28 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [CATLEY] George and James two naughty boys from Hull
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Tim: I am now in possession of a wealth of information about the
>>>>> elder
>>>>> Catley twin James and have educated myself further on transportation
>>>>> to
>>>>> Bermuda. This became an important naval base following the loss of
>>>>> the
>>>>> Americam Colonies and the fortifications on Ireland Island were
>>>>> strengthened using convict labour. It was a most unpopular place to
>>>>> be
>>>>> transported to as there was little accommodation on land and most
>>>>> convicts
>>>>> lived on hulks. The conditions on board were appalling (see Hansard
>>>>> 26
>>>>> July 1860). In addition, whereas convicts in Oz could obtain a
ticket
>>>>> of
>>>>> leave and hope for a new life there was nowhere for them to go on
>>>>> Bermuda.
>>>>> Following his conviction on 5 July 1850 James was at the Borough
Gaol
>>>>> of
>>>>> Kingston-upon-Hull; he was transferred to Millbank Prison on 21
>>>>> August
>>>>> 1850 (and was there on census night the following year); he then
went
>>>>> to
>>>>> Stirling Castle, a prison hulk moored off Portsmouth on 14 July
1851.
>>>>> His
>>>>> conduct improved from "not good" in Hull through
indifferent at
>>>>> Millbank
>>>>> to good at Stirling Castle. He appears to have been transported to
>>>>> Bermuda
>>>>> on the bark Ascension being received there on 26 January 1852. There
>>>>> he
>>>>> lived as No. 1711 on the Medway Hulk until being returned to
Millbank
>>>>> on
>>>>> 23 March 1853. The licence of release had been issued on board the
>>>>> Medway
>>>>> Hulk on 20 February 1855. He was discharged 21 April 1855 with
>>>>> destination
>>>>> Hull.
>>>>> QUESTION: What happened next? Could he be the James Catley found at
>>>>> Grimsby or is that body already accounted for? The James in question
>>>>> was
>>>>> a
>>>>> joiner.
>>>>> Physical description: complexion sallow; hair dark brown; eyes light
>>>>> brown; height 5 ft 6 in; various scars and marks.
>>>>> Intriguingly the back of one document has Gratuity 9-2-10, Passage
>>>>> Money
>>>>> 2 - -, Total Due 7-2-10.
>>>>> QUESTION: Does any lister know if convicts were given money to help
>>>>> them
>>>>> make a new start?
>>>>> Anthony
>>>>>
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