Jocelyn,
The amount of time that each of us devote to Cat*ley research is of course,
entirely a personal choice and dependant on the amount of enjoyment derived
therefrom. If you relish the "wide approach" taking in each and every
spelling variation, I can only hope that you have the necessary time and
enthusiasm and do not run out of steam?
For my part, I think that thanks to Chris, and all who have contributed to
his database, we have sufficient Cat*ley leads which span 500 years to keep
us all busy for some time to come with what I call "core Catleys".
The topic of alternative spellings, be they phonetic interpretation or
transfer errors has been raised many times before, but has not aroused much
interest eg. David M asked (last year I think it was) if anybody realised
just how many Cautley entries there are and was anyone researching them but
nobody replied. There has been some very necessary research on the
alternative Cadley name done by James of Barley tree members due to a known
parish register series of spelling errors in Tisbury which has been very
productive indeed as can be seen now in the database.
Do you not think it a good idea to stick with the "unaccounted Cat*leys"
list first
and see if we can resolve there, and then, at a later time, come back to
alternative spelling name researches?
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jocelyn and Bert Prvanov" <prvanov(a)xtra.co.nz>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] BVRI and Horne, Surrey Catleys
Hi there Anthony,
Thank you for your comments I actually wrote the same thing about spending
time on Kat*ley or not but decided to del it and see if someone else
suggested it. I am also aware that these three parishes are within 5 km of
each other, but figured this had already been checked. Yes, I have
pondered
all these names you have listed below, and it is reassuring that I am not
taking a narrow approach to the name variations. Have had email
interactions
with Thomas and Mary Hewett's family and this is why my initial email
arose.
Whether they fit in to "our" Cat*leys or not there are plenty of them.
Jocelyn
-----Original Message-----
From: catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:catley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
Behalf Of Anthony M. Carter
Sent: Friday, 31 December 2010 3:46 a.m.
To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] BVRI and Horne, Surrey Catleys
Dear Tim and Jocelyn,
Did you try Google Maps? The parishes of Horne, Bletchingley and Godstone
are all close and in the Godstone R.D. Kately was the spelling used by the
1841 enumerator. In addition to the patriarch John at Whitewood, Horne
with
son James (cavalierly rounded down from 37 to 30) and James's wife
Harriott
there is a bunch of households. We can start at Godstone with John Keatley
(so written) aged 50 and thus the other son about whom Tim enquires. He
was
married to Amelia (impossible to decipher from the census record but
London
Baptisms include their daughter Jane) with Thomas, Mary and Jane. I could
not immediately find son Richard who married Eliza but they baptized
Edward,
Sarah Ann and Eliza at Horne in the 1820's.
In addition we have Thomas Kately 50 at South Park Lane, Bletchingley
married to Mary with Richard, John, Robert, Thomas and Ann. In a separate
household at the same address are William Kately 26 and wife Ann; he may
be
another of Thomas's sons. Given the patriarch's high age could this be a
son
of whom the baptism has escaped us? His own marriage to Mary Hewett on 5
May
1810 can be viewed on Ancestry. The same source has a couple of other
children of this couple who were not found on the 1841 census (Mary,
Jane).
Then at Wickham House, Godstone, we find Sarah Kately 12 female servant.
My questions are (1) To Tim, how much time is worth spending on Katelys
who
might or might not have been or become Catleys? I disagree that this is a
flash in the pan as I have identified 20 of them in 1841 to which we might
add the 5 known members of Richard's family. Question (2) to Jocelyn, am I
just repeating information you have and perhaps have much more of?
I shudder to think what might happen if Tim finally joined Ancestry and
entered the fantasyland of the Public Member Trees!!!
Best wishes, Anthony
________________________________________
From: catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com] On Behalf
Of
Jocelyn and Bert Prvanov [prvanov(a)xtra.co.nz]
Sent: 30 December 2010 12:04
To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] BVRI and Horne, Surrey Catleys
Hi there Anthony and Tim,
Thanks for your comments Anthony and Tim. I wanted to clarify the status
of
John and Elizabeth's children before I decided whether I needed to asked
any
questions. I have John Snr under control, (1841 census Kately, died as
Cately 1843) but when I looked on the family trees on
Ancestry.com John
Kateley with the same birth and death dates has Susannah as his wife. This
name just happens to be that of John and Elizabeth's second child, and is
recorded as Cateley, not that I am refuting any of this couple's children.
Unfortunately I can't find the marriage of John and Elizabeth. There are
also a couple of other males (Kateleys) who could fit in to the gap in
births to ponder over, given the fluid nature the surname.
I still haven't decided if I need to ask a question or questions yet .....
Jocelyn
-----Original Message-----
From: catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:catley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
Behalf Of Anthony M. Carter
Sent: Wednesday, 29 December 2010 4:16 a.m.
To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] BVRI and Horne, Surrey Catleys
You are right about spelling variants. John Keatly aged 50 (wife and 3
kids)
in 1841 at Godstone. James Catley (wife Harriett, no kids) in 1851 still
at
Horne. John Cately aged 70 (now alone, b Horne) in 1861 at Godstone. No
doubt with patience the list could be extended. What exactly was your
question? Anthony
________________________________________
From: catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com] On Behalf
Of
Jocelyn and Bert Prvanov [prvanov(a)xtra.co.nz]
Sent: 28 December 2010 14:13
To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [CATLEY] BVRI and Horne, Surrey Catleys
Hi there,
I have been delving into the above family. The children of John and
Elizabeth are listed on the database under Catley, the source being the
BVRI. I can't find any of these entries on any of the websites I subscribe
to, or the Latter Day Saints one. I wanted to check "first hand", well as
best I can remotely anyway, these earliest entries. So can I check out
these
Catley entries on-line please. The spelling of the name of this family is
all over the place and I'm pretty certain it moved away from Catley to
Kateley.
Cheers
Jocelyn
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