Most interesting Anthony,
Family tree notes suggest that Stephen was Vicar at Bagthorpe in Norfolk for
25 years and then took up ditto at Fittleworth in Sussex where he died in
1876 so why, in 1863 on the occasion of his daughters wedding, he should
choose to give his profession as clerk, is beyond me.
Unless of course he was keeping a low profile as he had stirred up a bit of
notoriety as being the co-author of a religious work on Foxes Martyrs and he
had come into much criticism because of it.
The wedding at Clapham must have been quite high profile as the grooms
father was, as I understand, an ex Lord Mayor of London.
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony M. Carter" <ACarter(a)health.sdu.dk>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 9:36 PM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Ensign A.G.Cattley, 47th Foot.
Tim. The marriage was in Clapham. Stephen Reed Cattley was a witness but did
not perform the ceremony and his profession is given as clerk. The groom amd
his father were solicitors. Cecilia Susan Wire was buried at Norwood
Cemetery in 1885. Travers Barton Wire remarried at Mitcham Surrey and those
researching his family refer only to the second wife Constance Catherine
Bidder. Not sure how many children received the Cattley genes. There was a
daughter at the 1881 census. Travers was later a Lieutenant Colonel. Anthony
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Sent: 03 December 2010 13:18
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Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Ensign A.G.Cattley, 47th Foot.
Anthony,
There is nothing on Alfred and his time in the USA within the Normanton
Cattley tree notes that I know about, probably because the Stephen Reed
Cattley sub branch is a "dead end" re male name bearing members.
However, there is one small chance on the female side and that is via
Alfreds younger sister Cecelia Susan born 1838 who married a Travers Wire,
1863 Wandsworth. Somewhere, sometime, I have seen a thread for a
Wire-Cattley connection. If there is a Wire family genealogist, it is
possible he/she may have some material on Alfred.
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony M. Carter" <ACarter(a)health.sdu.dk>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Ensign A.G.Cattley, 47th Foot.
Tim: On Googlemaps Street View you can find "Pleasant Home Church" North of
Bucyrus in the same direction as Chatfield. It is an ordinary looking house
in a similar situation to Alfred's home so possibly the same site and/or
structure. I have not been able to Google my way to any information about
the putative church. Plenty of hits but all to sites using locations on
Google maps to attract custom. I still think you are being a bit hard on
Alfred, who was a teenager as midshipman and perhaps was drinking in the
Crimea to dull the pain from his wound. I would like to learn that he had a
successful life in America. Anthony
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Sent: 3. december 2010 10:18
To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Ensign A.G.Cattley, 47th Foot.
Anthony
Mary Frances C was a younger spinster sister of Alfred's and lived for
another 34 years after his death. I had already found the site that shows
his house in Chatfield, Ohio but no doubt this will be of interest to
Eria/Joan/Ingrid.
Many thanks
Tim
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From: "Anthony M. Carter" <ACarter(a)health.sdu.dk>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 9:06 PM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Ensign A.G.Cattley, 47th Foot.
Tim: As others have reported National Probate Calendar confirms he died
Bucyrus Ohio on 19 January 1881 and that administration of the estate (£449
4s. 7d.) was granted to Mary Frances Cattley of Egdean, Pulborough, Sussex,
spinster, the sister and one of the next of kin. It throws no light on his
occupation in Ohio. However, if the link survives transmission you will find
an engraving of his house, "Pleasant Home" in Chatfield Township. Anthony
http://www.historicmapworks.com/Map/US/63677/W+C++Lemert++Pleasant+Home++...
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Tim Cattley [felis(a)mypostoffice.co.uk]
Sent: 02 December 2010 15:30
To: catley @rootsweb
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Ensign A.G.Cattley, 47th Foot.
Thank you Anthony, a nice bit of detective work.....Erica/Joan/Ingrid will
no doubt be most interested in this subject.
Suppose that I should have considered Alfred Cresswell C as a possibility
but the penny did not drop! He looks to have been a bit of a ditherer and I
lost site of him going out to India : 20/01/1849 on the ship "Moozuffer" on
appointment to the India Navy Lists as a midshipman which I assume was part
of the HEIC (Honourable East India Company) and he is shown as stopping off
in Aden 17/02/1849 (see shipping note) enroute to Bombay.
Think he must have been following in his brothers (Henry Chadd C) footsteps
in joining the HEIC but for whatever reason, he evidently resigned and
returned to UK. I had wondered if he had transfered to the 47th Foot in
India but evidently not, as the Unit was sent out to the Crimea ex UK via
Malta in 1855.
The letters home ex Crimea by Peter & Julius Laurie I find fascinating,
personal accounts as to life in that campaign.
Not so sure that I agree with you about "the chaplain" that Julius Laurie
refers to, being being Alfred Cesswells father Stephen Reed Cattley. To my
knowledge he never was a chaplain but at the time of the Crimean campaign,
was the Vicar of Bagthorpe in N.W.Norfolk a far cry from being an army
chaplain with the 47th Foot outside Sevastibol!
Not sure what Alfred Cresswell did with himself following his shame in the
Crimea....the rest of his life is a bit of a blank other than he remained a
bachelor I think and landed up in Buchryus, Ohio where he died in 1893.
Tim
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From: "Anthony M. Carter" <ACarter(a)health.sdu.dk>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 10:27 PM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Ensign A.G.Cattley, 47th Foot.
Tim: This must be a misprint and refer to Alfred Cresswell Cattley whose
appointment as Ensign with the 47th Foot dates from 12 March 1855 (Edinburgh
Gazette). This is the Stevan Catlay tree. He is not found in the 1857 Army
List so perhaps was invalided out. I cannot find his service records on
Findmypast. No wait, "I see that Ensign Cattley of the 47th has resigned his
commission. I am surprised to see that he shirks it. What will the
illustrious Chaplain say." The chaplain no doubt is Alfred's father Rev.
Stephen Reed Cattley. This is from a letter sent by Julius Dyson Laurie on
14 August 1855. He added, "Please do not send my letter the rounds, as I
only write it for you & not for the world in general." Wikileaks comes to
mind! Two weeks later, 27 August, Lieutenant Laurie wrote, "Whose tale was
that about Cattley of the 47th killing Russians & taking prisoners? I have
enquired & nothing of the sort has happened. I am sorry to see that he had
to resign his commission for being drunk on trenches (Dutch courage) but I
expect the story about the Russians was an effusion of his own." Will this
do? Anthony
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Tim Cattley [felis(a)mypostoffice.co.uk]
Sent: 01 December 2010 00:26
To: catley @rootsweb
Subject: [CATLEY] Ensign A.G.Cattley, 47th Foot.
Hello all,
The Crimean War 1855 :-
Asplin Military History Resources, Casualty Rolls, lists Ensign A.G.Cattley
of the 47th Regiment of Foot (Lancashires) as receiving a slight wound
during minor actions at Sebastopol on 12th July 1855.
Can anybody pin him to a known tree please?
Tim
Anthony, right up your street I would have thought!
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