Hi Anthony,
No doubt the recent evidence that surely connects the Joseph of Weaverham
and William of Weathamstead lines will spur You/Chris to locate "William of
Aldgate's" location/date of birth.
Noted, that there seems to be little information on any suitable William
being London born but maybe, as you say, some other kind Listers will do a
double check in the Metropolitan Archives?
There is always the possibility which I am certain both of you are working
on already, is that William was not born in Middx but came to London to seek
work. A quick check of what I have for possible Williams under Cat*ley for
the period 1755-1768 gives the following :-
William bapt 1755 Barley. Member of the James of Barley tree m Ann Clark
William (Cately) b 1761 Frodingham son of Thomas Sutton & Susanah
William bapt 1763 Sawston & Gt Chesterford son of John & Mary
William bapt 1764 Barkway son of Mary
William b in abt 1765 Birmingham son of William & Jane
William bapt 1768 Thorpe Arch. Member of the Stevan of Normanton tree died
infant.
So, it looks to me that the four William's b 1761-1765 are possible
contenders.
Cheers
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony M. Carter" <ACarter(a)health.sdu.dk>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Wheathampstead Catleys a link to Weaverham?
Hi Tim
No objection to Aldgate. I just wanted to make clear that St Katherine Cree
was a valid entity. As Chris says the priority now must be to find out more
about William Catley of Aldgate. It is probably not as simple as his being
christened there. I have trawled through relevant registers from this parish
(scans but not transcriptions are available from the Metropolitan Archives
through Ancestry). No luck so far but someone else should check. It could
have been that he was apprenticed there as I recall this was one way to gain
a settlement.
Meanwhile here is what I have on the niece LYDIA CATLEY and her son WILLIAM
JAMES CATLEY:
She was subjected to an examination on 11 February 1840 (Hertfordshire
Examinations; D/P53/13/12) and a removal order from Codicote to St Katherine
Creechurch London was issued on the same day (Hertfordshire Removal Orders;
D/P53/13/12). She very likely is the Lydia Catley found at Aubin’s Norwood
School of Industry, then a privately run workhouse school under the
supervision of the Poor Law Commissioner for London. She was at City of
London Union Workhouse in 1851. She died there of consumption (tuberculosis)
12 October 1854 (death certificate). Shortly before this, the birth 7 July
and baptism 11 August 1854 of William James Catley son of Lydia Catley, City
of London Union Workhouse, servant, was noted in the register of St Mary,
Bromley St Leonard, also known as Bromley-by-Bow (confirmed by birth
certificate). Sadly he lived for only 5 weeks and died 13 August 1854 two
days after being baptized (death certificate).
Best wishes,
Anthony
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From: catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of
Tim Cattley [felis(a)mypostoffice.co.uk]
Sent: 04 April 2010 13:37
To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Wheathampstead Catleys a link to Weaverham?
All the Cat*ley family titles have so far, been taken from the local place
name of where the earliest known member resided and I think that for my
purposes, your "new tree" should continue in this tradition. Aldgate seemed
appropriate being a large ward within the St Katherine Cree Church parish.
Whilst the parish of St Katherine Cree is recognised in GENUKI using a
parish title is out of sync with the rest of us.
If Aldgate does not appeal : then how about William of London City? This
would seem more in keeping than William of St Katherine Creechurch ?
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony M. Carter" <ACarter(a)health.sdu.dk>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 4:10 AM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Wheathampstead Catleys a link to Weaverham?
Aldgate is a convenient handle but it is as you state a ward and the
parish of St Katherine Cree in the City of London is recognized by GENUKI.
More importantly, it was from this parish that Joseph's brother William
and then his widow Naomi (nee Bunyan) received relief and to there that
his niece Lydia was removed (I have further info on Lydia that I have not
yet posted). In the church register (available on Ancestry) both William
Catley and Susanna Carter are of this parish. It is of note that in 1793
Elizabeth Catley otp married George Rumph otp at St Katherine Cree with
Wm. Catley as a witness.
I have found our couple as Balderson in the 1871 census. He is farmer of
10 acres at Haslington. She is born Watford, London; London is crossed out
and Herts scribbled in but the transcripts show London.
Anthony
________________________________________
From: catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com] On Behalf
Of Tim Cattley [felis(a)mypostoffice.co.uk]
Sent: 04 April 2010 01:01
To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Wheathampstead Catleys a link to Weaverham?
For the purposes of recording the progression of "all Cat*leys" in my BMD
spreadsheet and if both Chris & Anthony are happy with my proposal, I
intend
to merge the two lines of William of Wheathamstead (1768)and Joseph of
Weaverham (1821) into a single tree under a new title.
As William Catley married Susan Carter from Wheathampstead at St Katherine
Cree Church in The City of London in 1792, and as St Katherine's was the C
of E Church there for the ward of Aldgate and as we do not yet know where
William came from originally, one or both of them must have been "of the
Aldgate Parish" to have married there.
So I intend to use the title :- William of Aldgate to denote the composite
new tree.
If either of you have a better title or object to my intention, please
tell
me.
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony M. Carter" <ACarter(a)health.sdu.dk>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 10:16 PM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Wheathampstead Catleys a link to Weaverham?
> The couple are found in 1861 with surname spelling Balderstone. They are
> at Hassall close to Allostock where he was born. She is vaguely shown as
> from London. They appear not to have any kids. Overjoyed that "my"
> Catleys
> are now mainstream. Anthony
>
> ________________________________________
> From: catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com] On Behalf
> Of Tim Cattley [felis(a)mypostoffice.co.uk]
> Sent: 03 April 2010 19:56
> To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Wheathampstead Catleys a link to Weaverham?
>
> Hi Chris & Anthony,
>
> Great news!
>
> I think this is the first time that two Rootsweb Catley research projects
> have actually been shown to be one and the same tree.
>
> Congrats
>
> Tim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Newall" <chris(a)rebus.demon.co.uk>
> To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 1:55 PM
> Subject: [CATLEY] Wheathampstead Catleys a link to Weaverham?
>
>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> Almost two years ago Anthony Carter did some very thorough work in the
>> Hertfordshire Archives and posted details of the family of William
>> Catley of Wheathampstead. William's son Joseph, baptised 2 June 1793 at
>> St Mary Whitechapel, had married Elizabeth Wagstaff on 8 December 1812
>> at St Peters, St Albans and their daughter Elizabeth Catley was
>> christened 29 Jan 1813 at St Mary, Watford. After that this family
>> disappear, although Joseph's wife Elizabeth may have died and been
>> buried at Watford on 30 Apr 1820. There appear to be no subsequent
>> records of Joseph and his daughter Elizabeth in the Hertfordshire
>> records.
>>
>> I have now found evidence that identify Joseph Catley of Weaverham as
>> the missing Joseph, son of William of Wheathampstead. This is as
>> follows:
>>
>> The Family Search Record Search pilot has the marriage of Elizabeth
>> Catley, daughter of Joseph, to John Boulderstone, widower, son of James,
>> at Macclesfield, St Paul on 9 Jun 1850. This marriage is indexed by
>> FreeBMD as Elizabeth CATTEY / John BOULDERSTONE 1850 Jun Macclesfield 19
>> 114.
>>
>> The 1851 census [HO 107/2160 folio 168R page 8] lists her at Hollands
>> Buildings, Macclesfield as Elizabeth Boulderstone, wife, age 40, born in
>> Watford, HRT. This very strongly suggests that she is the missing
>> Elizabeth, the daughter of Joseph and Elizabeth of Watford.
>>
>> I have asked a friend who is an expert on Macclesfield and who has many
>> Cheshire PR fiches for details of the John Boulderstone / Elizabeth
>> Catley marriage. If Elizabeth's father is indeed a farmer named Joseph
>> Catley, we will have further confirmation that Joseph Catley of
>> Weaverham is indeed the son of one of the Williams of Wheathampstead.
>>
>> With best wishes
>>
>> Chris
>> --
>> Chris Newall EMail : chris(a)rebus.demon.co.uk
>> Ealing, London, W5 Website:
http://www.rebus.demon.co.uk/
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