Hello Tim,
You tricked me by saying Ilford in your first email.
My paternal g/parents lived in Manor Park, & are probably in the same
cemetery. There is also a memorial seat for my Catley descendant
brother-in-law & his wife there.
You were very lucky to get all this WW1 information a lot of it was
destroyed in the London fires of WW2. I obtained the burnt records of my
paternal g/father who was in the Supply Corps & spent time at Salonica, but
my father-in-law, also like Edmund, was in the RFA, & we believe was also in
Ypres. Wounded he was sent back & nursed by his wife in a Torquay hospital
due to the lack of nurses.
Regiments meant nothing once war started, men were sent where they were
needed most, & each new regiment meant a new service number. My F-i-L was
RFA driver 180072, then Bedford & Herts 60144, although he was an Essex man.
Also an Essex man my Gt/uncle was 6th London Rgt. 6870, Royal Inniskilling
Fusiliers 43524, & Army Service Corps 47423.
I had no luck in trying to find a possible Catley male descendant in
Bournemouth for DNA testing.
Regards
Derek Miller
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Cattley" <felis(a)mypostoffice.co.uk>
To: "catley @rootsweb" <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 1:49 AM
Subject: [CATLEY] Fw: Edward Catley
Hello Derek,
Good to hear from you again and thank's for the useful comments re St Mary's
Cemetery.
The research path on Edward Catley, a member of the James Catley of Barley
tree was an interesting one to say the least. Like many other members of
this tree, Edward had married a local Barkway (Annie Tamar Hicks, 1899) girl
but in their case the union had been conducted in West Ham, London where
between 1899 and 1915 they raised eight children.
In 1914 at the ripe age of 36 Edward volunteered to join the Army and was
posted to the Leinster Regiment, raised in Southern Ireland but required
additional men from elsewhere to make up the numbers. I do not think that
Edward had any choice in this decision, as am sure that a man from
Hertfordshire and latterly N.E. London would have felt far more at home in
either a London or Hertfordshire Regiment given the option.
Most people who know of the ill planned and dreadful Gallipoli campaign in
WW1 think that this was purely an Australian/New Zealand allied effort
whereas in fact there were a goodly number of units from the UK who were
shipped there as well. So was it with the Leinsters.
Troop ship ex Liverpool to Murdos in Greece and onward to the Dardanelle's
and Gallipoli and the fighting against the Turks, a nightmare of a campaign
in which the allied forces never really established a secure foothold
ashore. Like thousands of other soldiers, Edward caught dysentery and was
also wounded and evacuated by hospital ship via Malta arriving at Netley
Army Hospital near Southampton where he died a couple of days later of the
accumulative effects of his wound + dysentery and exhaustion.
He was buried at Manor Park Cemetery London in a public plot.
I took an interest in Edward because he is a member of the Barley Catley
tree "lost branch" that we have not yet been able to attach and my curiosity
was aroused when I discovered that the Commonwealth War Graves Commission
had no commemoration to him. Thus started a search for his records of
service, kindly conducted by Anthony and so his history as to address and
next of kin in West Ham, his volunteering to "join up", his army training
and posting to an Irish Regiment and his repatriation to Netley Hospital
plus subsequent death there all became evident.
Why had the CWGC failed to commemorate Edward at Manor Park Cemetery? I
never got to the bottom of this oversight ...... there is a large nine panel
white marble and bronze CWGC memorial in the centre of the cemetery and I am
told that Edwards name has now been added to panel 9 and that he now also
appears on their web site. To get his name accepted took some doing and
required providing the CWGC with his records of service and cross checks
with Manor Park Cem's burial records.
So Derek, if you are in the area at some time, I am sure that Sharon would
like some confirmation that the CWGC have indeed added his name to panel 9
as they intimate?
Regards
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: Derek Miller
To: Tim Cattley
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 1:34 AM
Subject: Edward Catley
Hi Tim,
Reading your latest article on Edward, buried in Ilford, I presume that is
the Ilford in Essex, the only one that I know of. I was born there & lived
around the corner from St Mary's Cemetery where my Gt, G/father is buried.
The records are administered by Redbridge now, & they charge a search fee,
although they did mine for free. Their address:- London Borough of
Redbridge, Cemetery Office, Longwood Gardens, Barkingside, Essex, IG5 DET.
Ph 020 8708 7560. The fee in 2000 was £13.
They like as much information as possible of course.
I hope this is of some help.
Derek Miller.
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