Andrew/ Tim- Just for elimination purposes - during the summer you may
recall that Liz and I got hold of the Family Search films of the Bishops
Transcripts ( as opposed to the parish records) for MSN, Wellow and a couple
of other nearby parishes. Sadly the film covering the probable period of
Emery's birth/baptism was incomplete , and a lot of what was there was
damaged/unreadable. So we found nothing that directly connects the two MSN
branches.
Nigel
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From: Andrew Hayes
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Subject: Re: [CATLEY] CATLEY Digest, Vol 6, Issue 143
Tim
I was awaiting the update from Liz before tackling the Catleys again.
Most of my efforts this summer were focused towards ploughing through
the wealth of documentation available from Hemington - in contrast to
the meagre harvest from MSN. I remain convinced that the two trees must
be linked, the early naming pattern seems to suggest it. I had a similar
problem with the Hemington Grists, but in that case when I was able to
consult the original parish registers in Taunton I duly found that the
two founding fathers were brothers! Also there was the bonus that my
Grist 8x great grandfather had been appointed Parish Register in 1653,
having served as parish clerk before the Civil War (and also continued
in office after the Restoration.)
Do you know if anyone has ever managed to track down any 17th/18th
century manorial records? Taunton do not hold them. Much of the land in
and around Welton has been part of the Duchy of Cornwall since medieval
times, and in MSN itself Christchurch Oxford was an important landowner.
Regards
Andrew
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Subject: CATLEY Digest, Vol 6, Issue 143
Today's Topics:
1. Re: Thomas Catley of Welton (Tim Cattley)
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Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 13:23:05 +0100
From: "Tim Cattley" <felis(a)mypostoffice.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Thomas Catley of Welton
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Dear Andrew,
Many thank's for the update concerning your searches re the Thomas
Catley of
Welton (Nr Midsomer Norton) tree and sorry to learn that you have had no
success in finding a link that joins the Thomas clan to that of Emery.
These two Catley trees now join an expanding list where the geographical
location tells us that a connection should exist but there is simply no
archive paper trail available to support this. We have reached this
impasse
with both the Lincolnshire and Yorkshire trees but in these instances we
at
least have the satisfaction from Familytreedna testing that some common
ancestry exists.
It would be interesting to get a dna comparison for the Thomas // Emery
trees and all it would take, would be a suitable Thomas clan male donor
as
of course, we already have Emery's dna on file with FTDNA. I can see
current UK male Thomas tree members on my "All Cat*ley bmd spreadsheet"
born
in the 1940's - 1950's and it would nice to think that if located, that
one
of them would "jump at the chance" of dna testing however I feel certain
that if said persons were interested in their genealogy, they would have
already found us on Rootsweb and I know from past experience, how
difficult
it is to sell the idea of providing a dna sample to a non family tree
interested Catley !
Your contact reminds me that I still have an unresolved query concerning
previous research done on the two trees where Welton tree members have
been
allocated inadvertently to the MSN line, did anyone look into this and
make
the necessary corrections?
Regards
Tim
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From: "Andrew Hayes" <HayesARM(a)CityBathColl.ac.uk>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 5:49 PM
Subject: [CATLEY] Thomas Catley of Welton
Dear all,
During the summer I was able to spend a little time at the Somerset
archives in Taunton. Unfortunately I was not able to link up the Emery
and Thomas trees. It seems likely that when MSN church was rebuilt
most
of the parish chest records were discarded. Only one volume of
churchwardens accounts survived from the 18th century. But these show
that a Thomas Catley served as a churchwarden in the 1740s. If anyone
is
interested I can supply a photo of his accounts, together with
another
set of accounts that he signed off. In the Quarter Sessions records
there was also a resettlement order to move a family from MSN to the
nearby parish of Camley, endorsed on the back executed by Thomas
Catley,
Overseer and Thomas Webb, churchwarden. Again I can provide photos
on
request. I wondered whether it is possible that this Thomas Webb is
the
same as the Thomas Webb who was father in law to Joshua Catley, the
dates would fit. Of course there may have been more than one Thomas
Webb
living in MSN at the time.
Regards
Andrew
PS If there are any other descendents of James Cately and Eliza Ann
Ford
I have had considerably more success with the ancestry of the
latter,
especially the family of her mother, Eleanor Fussell and grandmother
Temperance Grist. There is a wealth of documentation for the Grists
extending back to the late 16th century from the parish of Hemington,
near Frome, which I would be pleased to share with any of my distant
kin.
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