Looks like the James of Hull family had a bit of a chequered history then.
What a pity we do not have any known current members of this clan
researching
it.
I have a number of leads re members circa London area in the 1870-90's but
with
40+ trees on "my books" I have not had time to look further yet.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Meredith" <david.meredith(a)live.co.uk>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Horace (Wentworth) CATLEY? - 1911 Census Dublin
Thanks Tim.
You will note that the lads were in an 'Industrial School'.........
The Industrial Schools Act
At first like the ragged schools the Industrial Schools were run on a
voluntary basis. However in 1857 the Industrial Schools Act was passed.
This
gave magistrates the power to sentence children between the ages of 7 and
14
years old to a spell in one of these institutions. The act dealt with
those
children who were brought before the courts for vagrancy in other words
for
being homeless. In 1861 a further act was passed and different categories
of
children were included:
Any child apparently under the age of fourteen found begging or receiving
alms [money or goods given as charity to the poor].
Any child apparently under the age of fourteen found wandering and not
having any home or visible means of support, or in company of reputed
thieves.
Any child apparently under the age of twelve who, having committed an
offence punishable by imprisonment or less.
Any child under the age of fourteen whose parents declare him to be beyond
their control.(5)
The act stated the child had to be 'apparently' under the age of fourteen.
This was because children often lied about their age if it was
advantageous
for them to do so. Some children genuinely did not know how old they were.
It was not until 1875 that it became compulsory to register births.
I see these two were in an 'Industrial School'
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Cattley
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 2:31 PM
To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Horace (Wentworth) CATLEY? - 1911 Census Dublin
Afternoon David,
I think you will find that these persons are members of the James Catley
of
Hull tree via son Thomas bt 1837 Hull who m Jane Godfree Sculcoates 1/4
1856. Child 8/9 from this union was Bertram Sydney b 1/4 1874 Kennington
who
m Frances McCoach in Londonderry 1894.
Two children:-
1 Thomas Henry b 1895 Londonderry
2 Horace Wentworth b 4/4 1898 Fulham
Thomas up'd and off 'd to India and married in Bombay 1924 whilst Horace
married in West Derby in 1922.
I have more on this tree but not a lot.
Incidentally, I am sure it was Thomas' elder brothers George and James
(all
three bt 28/06/1837 Holy Trin, Hull) who were the naughty lads who got
themselves deported from ex UK for theft......you will recall Anthony
researching their penal servitude.
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Meredith" <david.meredith(a)live.co.uk>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 1:11 PM
Subject: [CATLEY] Horace (Wentworth) CATLEY? - 1911 Census Dublin
> 1911 - Neath Industrial School, Carysfort Avenue, Dublin (College &
> Boarding School)
> Thomas CATLEY . Church of Ireland . Read & write . 15 . Pupil .
> Londonderry
> Horace CATLEY . Church of Ireland . Read & write . 14 . Pupil . England
>
> These Catleys appear consecutively on the census form, but with no
> indication that they were related.
>
> Horace Catley received a WW1 Silver War Badge – served with the Royal
> Dublin Fusiliers Reg. No. 18654.
> Enlisted 26-1-1915 – discharged re wou nds 25-12-1916
> Medal Card records him as Horace W Catley, Royal Dublin Fusiliers, Pte
> 18654
>
> Perhaps the above is Horace Wentworth Catley – GRO BIrth Dec Qtr 1898,
> Fulham RD......
>
> David
>
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