This may have been mentioned before but looking through my records I
have the Townsend name appearing in one of the children of Anne Mary
Catley and Lewis Bryant. They have a daughter born about 1852 called
Mary Townsend Bryant. Anne Mary Catley is the daughter of Robert
William Catley and Ann Brodribb.
Cheers
Pat
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 5:00 PM, <catley-request(a)rootsweb.com> wrote:
Today's Topics:
1. Re: CATLEY Digest, Vol 6, Issue 45 (Andrew Hayes)
2. Re: James Catley MSN (lizcordingley)
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Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 13:03:45 +0100
From: "Andrew Hayes" <HayesARM(a)CityBathColl.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] CATLEY Digest, Vol 6, Issue 45
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Looking at the list of children it is suggestive that James and Mary had
sons called Francis and George as did Joshua and Hannah. Possibly this
pair are the sons of the other James and Mary, not James and Mary
Townsend.
Regards
Andrew
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: The James Catleys of Midsomer Norton (Nigel Butterfield)
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Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 21:17:52 +0100
From: "Nigel Butterfield" <nigelb(a)bulrush.me.uk>
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] The James Catleys of Midsomer Norton
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Tim - sorry - mine was typo - I have same list as you except I have
Francis
as born 1771 - christened 15 Mar 1772.
Nigel
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From: Tim Cattley
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 6:13 PM
To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] The James Catleys of Midsomer Norton
>Sorry to interject,
>
>But whilst I have eight children for Joshua & Hannah nee Web, I have
the
>spread of bapt's wider than 1764 and 1776
>
>as follows:-
>
>Thomas 1757
>Joshua 1759
>Susanna 1760
>George 1762
>Amy 1764
>Francis 1767
>Hannah(1) 1769
>Hannah(2) 1776
This above, is from Glynis' Emery of MSN tree records.
Tim
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From: "Nigel Butterfield" <nigelb(a)bulrush.me.uk>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] The James Catleys of Midsomer Norton
> Hi Liz - The Joshua who married Hannah Webb in 1756 was the son of
Emery
> Catley , so presumably of the wrong clan.
> I have them down for eight children between 1764 and 1776 but none of
them
> called James. One daughter Amy was baptised in Jan 1764 then there is
> then
> a gap until Hannah in 1769 so I suppose it is possible that there was
> another child born in 1764 that we had all missed!
>
> Nigel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lizcordingley
> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 10:52 PM
> To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CATLEY] The James Catleys of Midsomer Norton
>
> Hi Andrew,
> You have made some good points and to be honest there where a lot of
> Thomas
> and James around at the same time. With regard to Elizabeth b 1795
prior
> to
> the marriage of James and Mary Townsend, she could of still been there
> daughter even though she was born out of wedlock. Do you have a name
for
> the
> other Mary? It is possible that a James was born to Joshua and Hannah
Webb
> who married 1756.
> Let me know what you think.
> Liz
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andrew Hayes" <HayesARM(a)CityBathColl.ac.uk>
> To: <CATLEY(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 2:11 PM
> Subject: [CATLEY] The James Catleys of Midsomer Norton
>
>
>>I have only recently started to trace my family history via the
>> internet, and uncovered several different family trees that began
with
>> Thomas Catley of Welton (born 1701) and continued via a James Catley,
>> son of Thomas Catley (1725 -93) and Betty Kelson. On the trees that I
>> have seen he is credited with two wives (consecutively, not
>> bigamously!), both called Mary, and was supposedly buried in 1848.
The
>> burial of a Mary Catley, wife of James Catley, is indeed recorded as
>> taking place in Midsomer Norton church in 1803.
>>
>>
>>
>> So far so good, but I knew there was a grave for James Catley and
>> family, including another Mary Catley, in Chilcompton graveyard
>> (adjacent to Midsomer Norton). His death is recorded as 1831, not
1848.
>> The MI records his wife as being the former Mary Townsend, daughter
of
>> Robert Townsend Esq of Pilton (Somerset). I looked up marriages in
>> freereg and found a record of the marriage of James Catley of
>> Chilcompton to Mary Townsend (otp) on 21/12/1795. As both the
witnesses
>> were Kelsons, which was the maiden name of Thomas Catley's (1725 -
93)
>> wife Betty, I think that this James Catley is connected to the Thomas
>> Catley (1701 family tree). His Mary Catley long outlived him, as is
>> recorded in the census and on their gravestone. So I can only
conclude
>> there were two James Catleys around Midsomer Norton at much the same
>> time and place.
>>
>>
>>
>> As for the children of "James and Mary Catley", my ancestress
Elizabath
>> Catley is recorded as being baptised 21/3/1795 at Midsomer Norton
>> before the marriage at Pilton, although I have only seen a
transcript.
>> So I really doubt whether her father is the right James to descend
from
>> 1701 Thomas. As to her other "siblings" I wonder whether those
recorded
>> as being baptised at Chilcompton, or after 1803, are the children of
>> James and the Pilton Mary, whereas the others are the children of the
>> alternate couple. At the moment I think that Mary Anne, Robert
William,
>> Aubery, Charles, Martha Jane, Evan Daniel and Betty are the progeny
of
>> the former, with Elisabeth and probably James Thomas, Francis and
George
>> the offspring of the latter.
>>
>>
>>
>> The other James Catley seems to have remarried Martha Smith at
Radstock
>> (adjacent to Midsomer Norton, but on the other sides to Chilcompton)
on
>> 24/7/1803. So I believe that those trees showing the descendets of
James
>> and Martha connecting to the tree of Thomas Catley are in error and
>> should be corrected.
>>
>>
>>
>> So I was wondering whether anyone else has any records of a James
Catley
>> in the West Country born c1764 (died aged 84 in 1848) and/or his
first
>> wife to help resolve matters.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Andrew Hayes, grandson of Eliza Catley of Welton
>>
>>
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Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 00:10:04 +0100
From: "lizcordingley" <lizcordingley(a)blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] James Catley MSN
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Hi Tim,
Mary Ann Maggs is alive and kicking in the 51 census along with James b1800
and her daughter from previous marriage Jane Maggs b 1840. They married in
1848 her maiden name was Robbins.
So the Mary Ann buried in 1803 is not a Maggs.
Liz
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To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] James Catley MSN
> Hi Liz,
> Can you tell me when you think this James (which one?) married Mary Ann
> Maggs please? I am going on what Phil Clements (Somerset Coalfield
> Connections) and Glynis have on their work, that is that James married
> Mary
> Ann Maggs in abt 1795 and that she died in abt 1803. Andrew confirms the
> burial of Mary Ann Catley nee Maggs in 1803.
> I can only assume that you have evidence of a James marrying a Mary Ann
> Maggs sometime after 1820+
> Tim
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> To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 7:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [CATLEY] James Catley MSN
>
>
>> Hi Tim
>> Just to point out that the James that married Mary Ann Maggs was b 1800
>> so
>> he is out of the equation as far as James b 1757 and Mary Townsend.
>> There is however another James that married in 1774 but I don't know who
>> to.
>> Has anyone got full access to Find My Past?
>> Liz
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tim Cattley" <felis(a)mypostoffice.co.uk>
>> To: "catley @rootsweb" <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
>> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 7:00 PM
>> Subject: [CATLEY] James Catley MSN
>>
>>
>>> Andrew,
>>>
>>> I think, that when we first made contact (ie before your appearance on
>>> this Rootsweb Listers page) I sent you Glynis' take on both the Thomas
>>> Catley of Welton/MSN tree and also her own line that stems from Emery
>>> Catley ?
>>>
>>> Please confirm that you have a copy of the Emery tree ? If not I will
>>> send
>>> you one off list.
>>>
>>> Just to clarify a couple of points for you :- (1) Liz has asked you if
>>> you think that your James in question could be a son of Joshua Catley
>>> who
>>> married Hannah Web. These persons appear on the Emery tree, (2) Liz
>>> also
>>> indicates that she thinks that "Emery" was possibly another son of
>>> Thomas&Amy and thus a brother to the Thomas who married Betty Kelson.
>>>
>>> Clearly therefore, Liz is working on the theory that the Emery line is
>>> in
>>> fact an early branch of your Thomas' tree, a logical point given the
>>> geographical overlaps and the fact that Thomas and Emery could well be
>>> brothers given only 14 years difference in their age.
>>>
>>> You ask if there are any other Catley clans in the vacinity and indeed
>>> there are, such pockets of "other Catleys" are to be found in
>>> Cucklington
>>> and Tisbury but as far as I can see, only one sported a suitable James
>>> who
>>> would be of the right age for a marriage in 1795 and he indeed did marry
>>> in that year but my records show his spouses name was Sarah but that he
>>> remarried a Mary Scammell in 1813.......all this at Tisbury.
>>>
>>> Let us see if Liz can place the two MSN trees together and maybe confirm
>>> that your James married Mary Ann Maggs (or Clark?) first and then Mary
>>> Townsend second.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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