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Hi Liz,
Will send you copy of cert as I could not make out Josephs occupation, but it could be brewer.
Elaine
--- On Mon, 1/2/10, lizcordingley <lizcordingley(a)blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
From: lizcordingley <lizcordingley(a)blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] John Catley born c 1820
To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
Date: Monday, 1 February, 2010, 22:51
Hi Elaine
Does it state the occupation of his father Joseph. Charles b 1814
Buntingford dad was a brewer. On the 51 census George Hagger is living with
Charles and Arundell.
Liz
On 1 February 2010 21:14, Elaine Nash <l.bellerby(a)btinternet.com> wrote:
> Hi Tim and Sharon
>
> I have another one for you now.
>
> I have found in the 1861 census a John Catley with family in London.
> He states he was born in Buntingford.
>
> I have found a marriage for him in Shoreditch. The record says his father
> is Joseph Catley.
>
> The only Joseph (1138) that could fit this is married to Elizabeth Hagger,
> the children I have for him are Charles b1814 and George 1817.So John could
> fit here.
>
> The other option is Joseph (1347) who we have dying in 1847 I have his
> death cert, but no marriage for him.
>
> Do you think I have got another mystery here?
>
> I have tried looking on the IGI to no avail
>
> I have a copy of the marriage cert to Martha West .
>
> In 1841 and 1851 I think he is living away from family, 41 on own in Anstey
> and 51 a lodger at the Chequers.
>
> Best wishes
> Elaine
>
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Well spotted Anthony,
Thomas looks like a "late arrival".
I have three entries for him for 1861 which I missed :-
Thomas Catley GRO 4/4 1861 St Luke
Thomas Catley bt 30/11/1861 Finsbury, St Thomas Charterhouse John & Martha
Thomas Catley bt 30/11/1861 Islington, St Thomas Charterhouse John &
Martha
Must surely be all one and the same.
There is a GRO death 4/4 1862 for a Thomas at St James' , wonder if that is
he?
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony M. Carter" <ACarter(a)health.sdu.dk>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] John Catley born c 1820
Hi Tim: How about Thomas b 8 Oct and baptised 3 Nov 1861 son of John and
Martha St Thomas Charterhouse? Father is brewer's servant and lives at
Williams Buildings so fits despite the later date (explaining why Thomas is
not found in 1861 census). Anthony
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Sendt: ti 02-02-2010 10:06
Til: catley @rootsweb
Emne: Re: [CATLEY] John Catley born c 1820
Hi all,
John Catley m Martha West 9/9/1844 St Leonards Shoreditch
Charles son of John&Martha bpt 6/10/1844 St Leonards Shoreditch
John son of John&Martha bpt 16/11/1845 St Leonards Shoreditch
William son of John&Martha bpt 9/3/1851 St Thomas Charterhouse Finsbury
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sharon White" <frizzyfiona(a)ntlworld.com>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:58 PM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] John Catley born c 1820
> Hi Elaine, Tim & Liz
> I think the likelihood is that John is another son of Joseph & Elizabeth
> (Haggar) as on the 1861 Census he is shown as a Brewer's Drayman. At that
> time he is aged 41 and is shown as married to Martha aged 33 who is a
> Charwoman. They are living at 2 Williams Buildings, in the Borough of
> Finsbury, with their children Charles aged 16, John aged 15 and William
> aged
> 10. I will need to check my Excel spreadsheets to see which parishes I had
> extracted records from, and these are on my laptop so I'll do this
> tomorrow
> now. If Buntingford isn't on my spreadsheets, it'll be because the records
> weren't there, but I'll let you know.
> Sharon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:catley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
> Behalf Of lizcordingley
> Sent: 01 February 2010 22:51
> To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CATLEY] John Catley born c 1820
>
> Hi Elaine
> Does it state the occupation of his father Joseph. Charles b 1814
> Buntingford dad was a brewer. On the 51 census George Hagger is living
> with
> Charles and Arundell.
>
> Liz
>
> On 1 February 2010 21:14, Elaine Nash <l.bellerby(a)btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Tim and Sharon
>>
>> I have another one for you now.
>>
>> I have found in the 1861 census a John Catley with family in London.
>> He states he was born in Buntingford.
>>
>> I have found a marriage for him in Shoreditch. The record says his father
>> is Joseph Catley.
>>
>> The only Joseph (1138) that could fit this is married to Elizabeth
>> Hagger,
>> the children I have for him are Charles b1814 and George 1817.So John
> could
>> fit here.
>>
>> The other option is Joseph (1347) who we have dying in 1847 I have his
>> death cert, but no marriage for him.
>>
>> Do you think I have got another mystery here?
>>
>> I have tried looking on the IGI to no avail
>>
>> I have a copy of the marriage cert to Martha West .
>>
>> In 1841 and 1851 I think he is living away from family, 41 on own in
> Anstey
>> and 51 a lodger at the Chequers.
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Elaine
>>
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Hi Tim: How about Thomas b 8 Oct and baptised 3 Nov 1861 son of John and Martha St Thomas Charterhouse? Father is brewer's servant and lives at Williams Buildings so fits despite the later date (explaining why Thomas is not found in 1861 census). Anthony
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Sendt: ti 02-02-2010 10:06
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Emne: Re: [CATLEY] John Catley born c 1820
Hi all,
John Catley m Martha West 9/9/1844 St Leonards Shoreditch
Charles son of John&Martha bpt 6/10/1844 St Leonards Shoreditch
John son of John&Martha bpt 16/11/1845 St Leonards Shoreditch
William son of John&Martha bpt 9/3/1851 St Thomas Charterhouse Finsbury
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sharon White" <frizzyfiona(a)ntlworld.com>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:58 PM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] John Catley born c 1820
> Hi Elaine, Tim & Liz
> I think the likelihood is that John is another son of Joseph & Elizabeth
> (Haggar) as on the 1861 Census he is shown as a Brewer's Drayman. At that
> time he is aged 41 and is shown as married to Martha aged 33 who is a
> Charwoman. They are living at 2 Williams Buildings, in the Borough of
> Finsbury, with their children Charles aged 16, John aged 15 and William
> aged
> 10. I will need to check my Excel spreadsheets to see which parishes I had
> extracted records from, and these are on my laptop so I'll do this
> tomorrow
> now. If Buntingford isn't on my spreadsheets, it'll be because the records
> weren't there, but I'll let you know.
> Sharon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:catley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
> Behalf Of lizcordingley
> Sent: 01 February 2010 22:51
> To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CATLEY] John Catley born c 1820
>
> Hi Elaine
> Does it state the occupation of his father Joseph. Charles b 1814
> Buntingford dad was a brewer. On the 51 census George Hagger is living
> with
> Charles and Arundell.
>
> Liz
>
> On 1 February 2010 21:14, Elaine Nash <l.bellerby(a)btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Tim and Sharon
>>
>> I have another one for you now.
>>
>> I have found in the 1861 census a John Catley with family in London.
>> He states he was born in Buntingford.
>>
>> I have found a marriage for him in Shoreditch. The record says his father
>> is Joseph Catley.
>>
>> The only Joseph (1138) that could fit this is married to Elizabeth
>> Hagger,
>> the children I have for him are Charles b1814 and George 1817.So John
> could
>> fit here.
>>
>> The other option is Joseph (1347) who we have dying in 1847 I have his
>> death cert, but no marriage for him.
>>
>> Do you think I have got another mystery here?
>>
>> I have tried looking on the IGI to no avail
>>
>> I have a copy of the marriage cert to Martha West .
>>
>> In 1841 and 1851 I think he is living away from family, 41 on own in
> Anstey
>> and 51 a lodger at the Chequers.
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Elaine
>>
>>
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Hi all,
John Catley m Martha West 9/9/1844 St Leonards Shoreditch
Charles son of John&Martha bpt 6/10/1844 St Leonards Shoreditch
John son of John&Martha bpt 16/11/1845 St Leonards Shoreditch
William son of John&Martha bpt 9/3/1851 St Thomas Charterhouse Finsbury
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sharon White" <frizzyfiona(a)ntlworld.com>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:58 PM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] John Catley born c 1820
> Hi Elaine, Tim & Liz
> I think the likelihood is that John is another son of Joseph & Elizabeth
> (Haggar) as on the 1861 Census he is shown as a Brewer's Drayman. At that
> time he is aged 41 and is shown as married to Martha aged 33 who is a
> Charwoman. They are living at 2 Williams Buildings, in the Borough of
> Finsbury, with their children Charles aged 16, John aged 15 and William
> aged
> 10. I will need to check my Excel spreadsheets to see which parishes I had
> extracted records from, and these are on my laptop so I'll do this
> tomorrow
> now. If Buntingford isn't on my spreadsheets, it'll be because the records
> weren't there, but I'll let you know.
> Sharon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:catley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
> Behalf Of lizcordingley
> Sent: 01 February 2010 22:51
> To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CATLEY] John Catley born c 1820
>
> Hi Elaine
> Does it state the occupation of his father Joseph. Charles b 1814
> Buntingford dad was a brewer. On the 51 census George Hagger is living
> with
> Charles and Arundell.
>
> Liz
>
> On 1 February 2010 21:14, Elaine Nash <l.bellerby(a)btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Tim and Sharon
>>
>> I have another one for you now.
>>
>> I have found in the 1861 census a John Catley with family in London.
>> He states he was born in Buntingford.
>>
>> I have found a marriage for him in Shoreditch. The record says his father
>> is Joseph Catley.
>>
>> The only Joseph (1138) that could fit this is married to Elizabeth
>> Hagger,
>> the children I have for him are Charles b1814 and George 1817.So John
> could
>> fit here.
>>
>> The other option is Joseph (1347) who we have dying in 1847 I have his
>> death cert, but no marriage for him.
>>
>> Do you think I have got another mystery here?
>>
>> I have tried looking on the IGI to no avail
>>
>> I have a copy of the marriage cert to Martha West .
>>
>> In 1841 and 1851 I think he is living away from family, 41 on own in
> Anstey
>> and 51 a lodger at the Chequers.
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Elaine
>>
>>
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Hi All: Yes the record does give Joseph's occupation as brewer. Ancestry have transcribed Catley as Calley for anyone else wanting to check. Anthony
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Emne: Re: [CATLEY] John Catley born c 1820
Hi Elaine
Does it state the occupation of his father Joseph. Charles b 1814
Buntingford dad was a brewer. On the 51 census George Hagger is living with
Charles and Arundell.
Liz
On 1 February 2010 21:14, Elaine Nash <l.bellerby(a)btinternet.com> wrote:
> Hi Tim and Sharon
>
> I have another one for you now.
>
> I have found in the 1861 census a John Catley with family in London.
> He states he was born in Buntingford.
>
> I have found a marriage for him in Shoreditch. The record says his father
> is Joseph Catley.
>
> The only Joseph (1138) that could fit this is married to Elizabeth Hagger,
> the children I have for him are Charles b1814 and George 1817.So John could
> fit here.
>
> The other option is Joseph (1347) who we have dying in 1847 I have his
> death cert, but no marriage for him.
>
> Do you think I have got another mystery here?
>
> I have tried looking on the IGI to no avail
>
> I have a copy of the marriage cert to Martha West .
>
> In 1841 and 1851 I think he is living away from family, 41 on own in Anstey
> and 51 a lodger at the Chequers.
>
> Best wishes
> Elaine
>
>
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Hi Elaine, Tim & Liz
I think the likelihood is that John is another son of Joseph & Elizabeth
(Haggar) as on the 1861 Census he is shown as a Brewer's Drayman. At that
time he is aged 41 and is shown as married to Martha aged 33 who is a
Charwoman. They are living at 2 Williams Buildings, in the Borough of
Finsbury, with their children Charles aged 16, John aged 15 and William aged
10. I will need to check my Excel spreadsheets to see which parishes I had
extracted records from, and these are on my laptop so I'll do this tomorrow
now. If Buntingford isn't on my spreadsheets, it'll be because the records
weren't there, but I'll let you know.
Sharon
-----Original Message-----
From: catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:catley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
Behalf Of lizcordingley
Sent: 01 February 2010 22:51
To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] John Catley born c 1820
Hi Elaine
Does it state the occupation of his father Joseph. Charles b 1814
Buntingford dad was a brewer. On the 51 census George Hagger is living with
Charles and Arundell.
Liz
On 1 February 2010 21:14, Elaine Nash <l.bellerby(a)btinternet.com> wrote:
> Hi Tim and Sharon
>
> I have another one for you now.
>
> I have found in the 1861 census a John Catley with family in London.
> He states he was born in Buntingford.
>
> I have found a marriage for him in Shoreditch. The record says his father
> is Joseph Catley.
>
> The only Joseph (1138) that could fit this is married to Elizabeth Hagger,
> the children I have for him are Charles b1814 and George 1817.So John
could
> fit here.
>
> The other option is Joseph (1347) who we have dying in 1847 I have his
> death cert, but no marriage for him.
>
> Do you think I have got another mystery here?
>
> I have tried looking on the IGI to no avail
>
> I have a copy of the marriage cert to Martha West .
>
> In 1841 and 1851 I think he is living away from family, 41 on own in
Anstey
> and 51 a lodger at the Chequers.
>
> Best wishes
> Elaine
>
>
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Hello Derek,
No trickery intended, was going on memory (never a good thing at my age!)
and indeed I should have written Manor Park but hey! its only just up the
road from Ilford isn't it?
I think that about 60% of the Records of Service for "other ranks" in WW1
were lost due to bomb and fire damage in WW2 but I believe that sometimes
duplicates are available ex Pensions Records but Elaine or Anthony would be
the best Listers to ask.
Was aware that enlisted men had no choice as to which unit they were posted
to, one of my Normanton tree enlisted in his home County of Surrey and was
posted to the 6th Btn The Manchester Regiment!
Sorry that you have had no luck in finding a suitable dna donor, we could
certainly do with a few more volunteers, that's certain. It is fine for
some of us because the results have indicated one three way match and two,
two way matches however I am mindful that we have Listers like Alan in
Vancouver, Bernie in Australia and Jocelyn in New Zealand and Glynis in
Canada who have test results but no matches. It must feel like a big
letdown for them but I try to look on the bright side by thinking that each
unmatched Catley tree found must increase the chances of getting future
matches!
The end result of the dna tests done so far shows that there are now seven
different unconnected trees. Pity in a way, I really did like that old
theory that we were all related to some lay person associated with the
Gilbertine Priory out in the Lincolnshire Fens !
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Derek Miller" <dmi24258(a)bigpond.net.au>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 2:44 AM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Fw: Edward Catley
Hello Tim,
You tricked me by saying Ilford in your first email.
My paternal g/parents lived in Manor Park, & are probably in the same
cemetery. There is also a memorial seat for my Catley descendant
brother-in-law & his wife there.
You were very lucky to get all this WW1 information a lot of it was
destroyed in the London fires of WW2. I obtained the burnt records of my
paternal g/father who was in the Supply Corps & spent time at Salonica, but
my father-in-law, also like Edmund, was in the RFA, & we believe was also in
Ypres. Wounded he was sent back & nursed by his wife in a Torquay hospital
due to the lack of nurses.
Regiments meant nothing once war started, men were sent where they were
needed most, & each new regiment meant a new service number. My F-i-L was
RFA driver 180072, then Bedford & Herts 60144, although he was an Essex man.
Also an Essex man my Gt/uncle was 6th London Rgt. 6870, Royal Inniskilling
Fusiliers 43524, & Army Service Corps 47423.
I had no luck in trying to find a possible Catley male descendant in
Bournemouth for DNA testing.
Regards
Derek Miller
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Cattley" <felis(a)mypostoffice.co.uk>
To: "catley @rootsweb" <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 1:49 AM
Subject: [CATLEY] Fw: Edward Catley
Hello Derek,
Good to hear from you again and thank's for the useful comments re St Mary's
Cemetery.
The research path on Edward Catley, a member of the James Catley of Barley
tree was an interesting one to say the least. Like many other members of
this tree, Edward had married a local Barkway (Annie Tamar Hicks, 1899) girl
but in their case the union had been conducted in West Ham, London where
between 1899 and 1915 they raised eight children.
In 1914 at the ripe age of 36 Edward volunteered to join the Army and was
posted to the Leinster Regiment, raised in Southern Ireland but required
additional men from elsewhere to make up the numbers. I do not think that
Edward had any choice in this decision, as am sure that a man from
Hertfordshire and latterly N.E. London would have felt far more at home in
either a London or Hertfordshire Regiment given the option.
Most people who know of the ill planned and dreadful Gallipoli campaign in
WW1 think that this was purely an Australian/New Zealand allied effort
whereas in fact there were a goodly number of units from the UK who were
shipped there as well. So was it with the Leinsters.
Troop ship ex Liverpool to Murdos in Greece and onward to the Dardanelle's
and Gallipoli and the fighting against the Turks, a nightmare of a campaign
in which the allied forces never really established a secure foothold
ashore. Like thousands of other soldiers, Edward caught dysentery and was
also wounded and evacuated by hospital ship via Malta arriving at Netley
Army Hospital near Southampton where he died a couple of days later of the
accumulative effects of his wound + dysentery and exhaustion.
He was buried at Manor Park Cemetery London in a public plot.
I took an interest in Edward because he is a member of the Barley Catley
tree "lost branch" that we have not yet been able to attach and my curiosity
was aroused when I discovered that the Commonwealth War Graves Commission
had no commemoration to him. Thus started a search for his records of
service, kindly conducted by Anthony and so his history as to address and
next of kin in West Ham, his volunteering to "join up", his army training
and posting to an Irish Regiment and his repatriation to Netley Hospital
plus subsequent death there all became evident.
Why had the CWGC failed to commemorate Edward at Manor Park Cemetery? I
never got to the bottom of this oversight ...... there is a large nine panel
white marble and bronze CWGC memorial in the centre of the cemetery and I am
told that Edwards name has now been added to panel 9 and that he now also
appears on their web site. To get his name accepted took some doing and
required providing the CWGC with his records of service and cross checks
with Manor Park Cem's burial records.
So Derek, if you are in the area at some time, I am sure that Sharon would
like some confirmation that the CWGC have indeed added his name to panel 9
as they intimate?
Regards
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: Derek Miller
To: Tim Cattley
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 1:34 AM
Subject: Edward Catley
Hi Tim,
Reading your latest article on Edward, buried in Ilford, I presume that is
the Ilford in Essex, the only one that I know of. I was born there & lived
around the corner from St Mary's Cemetery where my Gt, G/father is buried.
The records are administered by Redbridge now, & they charge a search fee,
although they did mine for free. Their address:- London Borough of
Redbridge, Cemetery Office, Longwood Gardens, Barkingside, Essex, IG5 DET.
Ph 020 8708 7560. The fee in 2000 was £13.
They like as much information as possible of course.
I hope this is of some help.
Derek Miller.
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Hi Elaine,
I have a record of John Catley marrying Martha West at St Leonards,
Shoreditch GRO 3/4 1844 actual date being 09/09/1844 but I have nothing
appended against it other than father being Joseph. In other words, I have
not yet got this event logged to a specific tree, so we are in the same boat
on this one.
Have nothing for a John born Buntingford circa 1820. Maybe Sharon has
something but not forgetting that she indicated that a lot of the P.R.'s for
this area are either at Cambridge or Chelmsford and not necessarily at
Hertford where one would expect them to be.
Have we got any bmd's for Buntingford at all? Seem to remember Liz
mentioning something but it was a long time back now. I think it quite
possible that (1138) Joseph m Elizabeth Hagger could well be Johns parents
but we need the Buntingford PR's
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Elaine Nash" <l.bellerby(a)btinternet.com>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 9:14 PM
Subject: [CATLEY] John Catley born c 1820
Hi Tim and Sharon
I have another one for you now.
I have found in the 1861 census a John Catley with family in London.
He states he was born in Buntingford.
I have found a marriage for him in Shoreditch. The record says his father is
Joseph Catley.
The only Joseph (1138) that could fit this is married to Elizabeth Hagger,
the children I have for him are Charles b1814 and George 1817.So John could
fit here.
The other option is Joseph (1347) who we have dying in 1847 I have his death
cert, but no marriage for him.
Do you think I have got another mystery here?
I have tried looking on the IGI to no avail
I have a copy of the marriage cert to Martha West .
In 1841 and 1851 I think he is living away from family, 41 on own in Anstey
and 51 a lodger at the Chequers.
Best wishes
Elaine
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Hi Tim and Sharon
I have another one for you now.
I have found in the 1861 census a John Catley with family in London.
He states he was born in Buntingford.
I have found a marriage for him in Shoreditch. The record says his father is Joseph Catley.
The only Joseph (1138) that could fit this is married to Elizabeth Hagger, the children I have for him are Charles b1814 and George 1817.So John could fit here.
The other option is Joseph (1347) who we have dying in 1847 I have his death cert, but no marriage for him.
Do you think I have got another mystery here?
I have tried looking on the IGI to no avail
I have a copy of the marriage cert to Martha West .
In 1841 and 1851 I think he is living away from family, 41 on own in Anstey and 51 a lodger at the Chequers.
Best wishes
Elaine
Hello Derek,
Good to hear from you again and thank's for the useful comments re St Mary's Cemetery.
The research path on Edward Catley, a member of the James Catley of Barley tree was an interesting one to say the least. Like many other members of this tree, Edward had married a local Barkway (Annie Tamar Hicks, 1899) girl but in their case the union had been conducted in West Ham, London where between 1899 and 1915 they raised eight children.
In 1914 at the ripe age of 36 Edward volunteered to join the Army and was posted to the Leinster Regiment, raised in Southern Ireland but required additional men from elsewhere to make up the numbers. I do not think that Edward had any choice in this decision, as am sure that a man from Hertfordshire and latterly N.E. London would have felt far more at home in either a London or Hertfordshire Regiment given the option.
Most people who know of the ill planned and dreadful Gallipoli campaign in WW1 think that this was purely an Australian/New Zealand allied effort whereas in fact there were a goodly number of units from the UK who were shipped there as well. So was it with the Leinsters.
Troop ship ex Liverpool to Murdos in Greece and onward to the Dardanelle's and Gallipoli and the fighting against the Turks, a nightmare of a campaign in which the allied forces never really established a secure foothold ashore. Like thousands of other soldiers, Edward caught dysentery and was also wounded and evacuated by hospital ship via Malta arriving at Netley Army Hospital near Southampton where he died a couple of days later of the accumulative effects of his wound + dysentery and exhaustion.
He was buried at Manor Park Cemetery London in a public plot.
I took an interest in Edward because he is a member of the Barley Catley tree "lost branch" that we have not yet been able to attach and my curiosity was aroused when I discovered that the Commonwealth War Graves Commission had no commemoration to him. Thus started a search for his records of service, kindly conducted by Anthony and so his history as to address and next of kin in West Ham, his volunteering to "join up", his army training and posting to an Irish Regiment and his repatriation to Netley Hospital plus subsequent death there all became evident.
Why had the CWGC failed to commemorate Edward at Manor Park Cemetery? I never got to the bottom of this oversight ...... there is a large nine panel white marble and bronze CWGC memorial in the centre of the cemetery and I am told that Edwards name has now been added to panel 9 and that he now also appears on their web site. To get his name accepted took some doing and required providing the CWGC with his records of service and cross checks with Manor Park Cem's burial records.
So Derek, if you are in the area at some time, I am sure that Sharon would like some confirmation that the CWGC have indeed added his name to panel 9 as they intimate?
Regards
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: Derek Miller
To: Tim Cattley
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 1:34 AM
Subject: Edward Catley
Hi Tim,
Reading your latest article on Edward, buried in Ilford, I presume that is the Ilford in Essex, the only one that I know of. I was born there & lived around the corner from St Mary's Cemetery where my Gt, G/father is buried.
The records are administered by Redbridge now, & they charge a search fee, although they did mine for free. Their address:- London Borough of Redbridge, Cemetery Office, Longwood Gardens, Barkingside, Essex, IG5 DET. Ph 020 8708 7560. The fee in 2000 was £13.
They like as much information as possible of course.
I hope this is of some help.
Derek Miller.
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