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Tim: I am now in possession of a wealth of information about the elder Catley twin James and have educated myself further on transportation to Bermuda. This became an important naval base following the loss of the Americam Colonies and the fortifications on Ireland Island were strengthened using convict labour. It was a most unpopular place to be transported to as there was little accommodation on land and most convicts lived on hulks. The conditions on board were appalling (see Hansard 26 July 1860). In addition, whereas convicts in Oz could obtain a ticket of leave and hope for a new life there was nowhere for them to go on Bermuda.
Following his conviction on 5 July 1850 James was at the Borough Gaol of Kingston-upon-Hull; he was transferred to Millbank Prison on 21 August 1850 (and was there on census night the following year); he then went to Stirling Castle, a prison hulk moored off Portsmouth on 14 July 1851. His conduct improved from "not good" in Hull through indifferent at Millbank to good at Stirling Castle. He appears to have been transported to Bermuda on the bark Ascension being received there on 26 January 1852. There he lived as No. 1711 on the Medway Hulk until being returned to Millbank on 23 March 1853. The licence of release had been issued on board the Medway Hulk on 20 February 1855. He was discharged 21 April 1855 with destination Hull.
QUESTION: What happened next? Could he be the James Catley found at Grimsby or is that body already accounted for? The James in question was a joiner.
Physical description: complexion sallow; hair dark brown; eyes light brown; height 5 ft 6 in; various scars and marks.
Intriguingly the back of one document has Gratuity 9-2-10, Passage Money 2 - -, Total Due 7-2-10.
QUESTION: Does any lister know if convicts were given money to help them make a new start?
Anthony
Anthony : The information that probably George, James and Thomas Catley were
brothers and also sons of James Catley and Jane comes from the Yorkshire
Parish Records............ c/o Liz.
The YPR has George and James as born 22/9/1831 Hull sons of James & Jane
then also: Thomas born11/7/1835 Hull son of James & Jane.
All three are recorded as being baptised 28/6/1837 at Holy Trinity, Hull
sons of James & Jane.
Why George does not show on the 1841 Census as a brother I do not know.
Maybe Liz can confirm the YPR source.
My gut feeling is that George and James should be brothers due if nothing
else, to their naughtiness and thievery!
As for Thomas : it is possible that he married Jane Golfrey (Godfrey?) 1/4
1856 at All Saints Sculcoates R/D (Hull).
Cheers
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony M. Carter" <ACarter(a)health.sdu.dk>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] George and James two naughty boys from Hull
Tim: This deserves closer attention. George was sentenced on the same
occasion that James was acquitted. Both were 12 at the time. 1841 census
does not show George as a brother of James and Thomas. However, I cannot
immediately find him elsewhere. Anthony
________________________________
From: catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com on behalf of Tim Cattley
Sent: Sat 12-09-2009 22:30
To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] George and James two naughty boys from Hull
That's alright Anthony I knew you were not being personal. My self inflicted
problem is that I am too mean to fork out on the £85 or whatever annual fee
for Ancestry et al and thus Census records are a closed door to me which
hopefully explains why I am not seen to be following leads up myself.
Your new information re Thomas having a brother James is very interesting
and ties in with something I was looking at back in March. I think you will
find that Thomas had two brothers: George and James both born or bapt
22/9/1832. George was the lad from Hull who got himself transported to Oz
via Parkhurst Prison and the ship Orient in 1847/48 (from memory) and was
thus one of " The Parkhurst Boys ". This was a 2nd offence : stealing a
watch. I had some correspondence via the List with Derek M on where George
landed up serving his time.
>From what you have now discovered, it looks as if James was very lucky not
to have followed his brother but instead had his transportation commuted.
Liz: Do you have Horace Wentworth Catley b 1898 Fulham RD as the brother
of Thomas Henry b 1895 Londonderry? If so have you followed him through to
his marriage to Miss Brew in W Derby in 1922 and to their children Doris M
Catley b 1924 W/Derby and Thomas H C Catley born 1927 also W/Derby. Doris.M
looks to have married a Burns in Liverpool (North) in 1945.
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony M. Carter" <ACarter(a)health.sdu.dk>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 5:33 PM
Subject: [CATLEY] James Catley's eldest son
> Tim: I was just trying to get further up the tree but did not put this at
> all well. Sorry about that. Anyway, Thomas had an elder brother named
> James after his father as shown in 1841 census. This also shows that
> mother Jane was from Scotland so the 1851 census should read Edinburgh.
> The National Archives have a pardon for:
> Licence number 2779: James Catley.
> Convicted of Stealing a watch and other articles at the Quarter Sessions
> at Kingston upon Hull, Kingston upon Hull, 05 July 1850.
> Then aged 18 years and by trade a Mariner.
> Sentence: 10 years' Transportation.
> Licence granted: 9 April 1855, for early release from Millbank prison.
> Comments: Received from Bermuda ex Sir George Seymour.
> The last sentence is intriguing. Anyway the Criminal Registers show James
> was a multiple offender. Aged 11 guilty of larceny and whipped; aged 12
> found not guilty of larceny; aged 14 guilty of larceny and before
> convicted of felony prison 4 months; aged 18 guilty of larceny and before
> convicted of felony transportation 10 years. He is found in the 1851
> census as a convict aged 20 in Westminster. I suppose this is Millbank,
> where prisoners were sent pending transportation (Wikipedia says the
> derivation of pom is Prisoner of Millbank). It rather looks as if he
> served 5 years there before being pardoned; perhaps he was kept on one of
> the hulks.
> Anthony
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com on behalf of Tim Cattley
> Sent: Sat 12-09-2009 01:14
> To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Thomas Henry Catley in India
>
>
>
> I think that Liz's e-mail says it all here Anthony, she has picked up on
> the
> correspondence one way and another and is in contact with the Gt Gt
> Grandson
> of Bertram Sydney. Call it a collective operation well done, and all
> because
> of the e-mail sent in by Greame in the first place.
>
> Note: I am not researching any Trees at present but busy building my
> Cat*ley
> bmd database but like Liz am sensitive to any Catley information that I do
> not have recorded and am thus curious, hence my twopenny worth in this
> particular instance.
>
> Tim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Anthony M. Carter" <ACarter(a)health.sdu.dk>
> To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Thomas Henry Catley in India
>
>
>> Hi Tim
>>
>> Surely it cannot be that hard? I showed that he was variously described
>> as
>> sculptor and carrier hazarding the guess that the enumerator had changed
>> from carver to carrier. A quick Google search led directly to the Catley
>> data base and a Pigot's entry for James Catley carver and gilder.
>> Straight
>> on to 1851 census and we have James with son Thomas both transcribed (The
>> Genealogist) as turner and carrier; clearly turner and carver makes
>> better
>> sense. HO107/2363/~F985. Thomas was then 15 which is about right for the
>> one you are researching. Does this help?
>>
>> Anthony
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com on behalf of Tim Cattley
>> Sent: Fri 11-09-2009 13:15
>> To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
>> Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Thomas Henry Catley in India
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> The establishing of information concerning Thomas Catley (of Hull) and
>> his
>> children Mary Emily//Clara.A//Bertram.S//Archibald.E Catley, plus
>> grandsons
>> Thomas Henry and Horace Wentworth has not lead to anyone claiming this
>> branch as part of their tree.
>>
>> I note that Horace married in 1922 in West Derby and thus there may well
>> be
>> living issue here. Likewise, there could be living distaff relations via
>> grandaughter Nora F M Catley who m Leonard Clarke in 1945.
>>
>> No doubt Liz has taken note of the details and with her family
>> connections
>> to Hull, will have a closer look at Thomas.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Graeme Simpson" <gsimpson(a)netspace.net.au>
>> To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
>> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 10:19 AM
>> Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Thomas Henry Catley in India
>>
>>
>>> Hello everyone,
>>>
>>> I have been following the responses about Thomas but have been busy
>>> getting ready to go to India again (early next week). I need to have
>>> a closer look to follow all the comments etc. for which I thank
>>> everyone. As Nigel mentioned, he is not part of our Leonard and
>>> Charlotte Catley family, so there is another branch to research in
>>> India.
>>>
>>> Thanks again,
>>>
>>> Graeme Simpson
>>>
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Tim: This deserves closer attention. George was sentenced on the same occasion that James was acquitted. Both were 12 at the time. 1841 census does not show George as a brother of James and Thomas. However, I cannot immediately find him elsewhere. Anthony
________________________________
From: catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com on behalf of Tim Cattley
Sent: Sat 12-09-2009 22:30
To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] George and James two naughty boys from Hull
That's alright Anthony I knew you were not being personal. My self inflicted
problem is that I am too mean to fork out on the £85 or whatever annual fee
for Ancestry et al and thus Census records are a closed door to me which
hopefully explains why I am not seen to be following leads up myself.
Your new information re Thomas having a brother James is very interesting
and ties in with something I was looking at back in March. I think you will
find that Thomas had two brothers: George and James both born or bapt
22/9/1832. George was the lad from Hull who got himself transported to Oz
via Parkhurst Prison and the ship Orient in 1847/48 (from memory) and was
thus one of " The Parkhurst Boys ". This was a 2nd offence : stealing a
watch. I had some correspondence via the List with Derek M on where George
landed up serving his time.
>From what you have now discovered, it looks as if James was very lucky not
to have followed his brother but instead had his transportation commuted.
Liz: Do you have Horace Wentworth Catley b 1898 Fulham RD as the brother
of Thomas Henry b 1895 Londonderry? If so have you followed him through to
his marriage to Miss Brew in W Derby in 1922 and to their children Doris M
Catley b 1924 W/Derby and Thomas H C Catley born 1927 also W/Derby. Doris.M
looks to have married a Burns in Liverpool (North) in 1945.
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony M. Carter" <ACarter(a)health.sdu.dk>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 5:33 PM
Subject: [CATLEY] James Catley's eldest son
> Tim: I was just trying to get further up the tree but did not put this at
> all well. Sorry about that. Anyway, Thomas had an elder brother named
> James after his father as shown in 1841 census. This also shows that
> mother Jane was from Scotland so the 1851 census should read Edinburgh.
> The National Archives have a pardon for:
> Licence number 2779: James Catley.
> Convicted of Stealing a watch and other articles at the Quarter Sessions
> at Kingston upon Hull, Kingston upon Hull, 05 July 1850.
> Then aged 18 years and by trade a Mariner.
> Sentence: 10 years' Transportation.
> Licence granted: 9 April 1855, for early release from Millbank prison.
> Comments: Received from Bermuda ex Sir George Seymour.
> The last sentence is intriguing. Anyway the Criminal Registers show James
> was a multiple offender. Aged 11 guilty of larceny and whipped; aged 12
> found not guilty of larceny; aged 14 guilty of larceny and before
> convicted of felony prison 4 months; aged 18 guilty of larceny and before
> convicted of felony transportation 10 years. He is found in the 1851
> census as a convict aged 20 in Westminster. I suppose this is Millbank,
> where prisoners were sent pending transportation (Wikipedia says the
> derivation of pom is Prisoner of Millbank). It rather looks as if he
> served 5 years there before being pardoned; perhaps he was kept on one of
> the hulks.
> Anthony
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com on behalf of Tim Cattley
> Sent: Sat 12-09-2009 01:14
> To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Thomas Henry Catley in India
>
>
>
> I think that Liz's e-mail says it all here Anthony, she has picked up on
> the
> correspondence one way and another and is in contact with the Gt Gt
> Grandson
> of Bertram Sydney. Call it a collective operation well done, and all
> because
> of the e-mail sent in by Greame in the first place.
>
> Note: I am not researching any Trees at present but busy building my
> Cat*ley
> bmd database but like Liz am sensitive to any Catley information that I do
> not have recorded and am thus curious, hence my twopenny worth in this
> particular instance.
>
> Tim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Anthony M. Carter" <ACarter(a)health.sdu.dk>
> To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Thomas Henry Catley in India
>
>
>> Hi Tim
>>
>> Surely it cannot be that hard? I showed that he was variously described
>> as
>> sculptor and carrier hazarding the guess that the enumerator had changed
>> from carver to carrier. A quick Google search led directly to the Catley
>> data base and a Pigot's entry for James Catley carver and gilder.
>> Straight
>> on to 1851 census and we have James with son Thomas both transcribed (The
>> Genealogist) as turner and carrier; clearly turner and carver makes
>> better
>> sense. HO107/2363/~F985. Thomas was then 15 which is about right for the
>> one you are researching. Does this help?
>>
>> Anthony
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com on behalf of Tim Cattley
>> Sent: Fri 11-09-2009 13:15
>> To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
>> Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Thomas Henry Catley in India
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> The establishing of information concerning Thomas Catley (of Hull) and
>> his
>> children Mary Emily//Clara.A//Bertram.S//Archibald.E Catley, plus
>> grandsons
>> Thomas Henry and Horace Wentworth has not lead to anyone claiming this
>> branch as part of their tree.
>>
>> I note that Horace married in 1922 in West Derby and thus there may well
>> be
>> living issue here. Likewise, there could be living distaff relations via
>> grandaughter Nora F M Catley who m Leonard Clarke in 1945.
>>
>> No doubt Liz has taken note of the details and with her family
>> connections
>> to Hull, will have a closer look at Thomas.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Graeme Simpson" <gsimpson(a)netspace.net.au>
>> To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
>> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 10:19 AM
>> Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Thomas Henry Catley in India
>>
>>
>>> Hello everyone,
>>>
>>> I have been following the responses about Thomas but have been busy
>>> getting ready to go to India again (early next week). I need to have
>>> a closer look to follow all the comments etc. for which I thank
>>> everyone. As Nigel mentioned, he is not part of our Leonard and
>>> Charlotte Catley family, so there is another branch to research in
>>> India.
>>>
>>> Thanks again,
>>>
>>> Graeme Simpson
>>>
>>>
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That's alright Anthony I knew you were not being personal. My self inflicted
problem is that I am too mean to fork out on the £85 or whatever annual fee
for Ancestry et al and thus Census records are a closed door to me which
hopefully explains why I am not seen to be following leads up myself.
Your new information re Thomas having a brother James is very interesting
and ties in with something I was looking at back in March. I think you will
find that Thomas had two brothers: George and James both born or bapt
22/9/1832. George was the lad from Hull who got himself transported to Oz
via Parkhurst Prison and the ship Orient in 1847/48 (from memory) and was
thus one of " The Parkhurst Boys ". This was a 2nd offence : stealing a
watch. I had some correspondence via the List with Derek M on where George
landed up serving his time.
>From what you have now discovered, it looks as if James was very lucky not
to have followed his brother but instead had his transportation commuted.
Liz: Do you have Horace Wentworth Catley b 1898 Fulham RD as the brother
of Thomas Henry b 1895 Londonderry? If so have you followed him through to
his marriage to Miss Brew in W Derby in 1922 and to their children Doris M
Catley b 1924 W/Derby and Thomas H C Catley born 1927 also W/Derby. Doris.M
looks to have married a Burns in Liverpool (North) in 1945.
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony M. Carter" <ACarter(a)health.sdu.dk>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 5:33 PM
Subject: [CATLEY] James Catley's eldest son
> Tim: I was just trying to get further up the tree but did not put this at
> all well. Sorry about that. Anyway, Thomas had an elder brother named
> James after his father as shown in 1841 census. This also shows that
> mother Jane was from Scotland so the 1851 census should read Edinburgh.
> The National Archives have a pardon for:
> Licence number 2779: James Catley.
> Convicted of Stealing a watch and other articles at the Quarter Sessions
> at Kingston upon Hull, Kingston upon Hull, 05 July 1850.
> Then aged 18 years and by trade a Mariner.
> Sentence: 10 years' Transportation.
> Licence granted: 9 April 1855, for early release from Millbank prison.
> Comments: Received from Bermuda ex Sir George Seymour.
> The last sentence is intriguing. Anyway the Criminal Registers show James
> was a multiple offender. Aged 11 guilty of larceny and whipped; aged 12
> found not guilty of larceny; aged 14 guilty of larceny and before
> convicted of felony prison 4 months; aged 18 guilty of larceny and before
> convicted of felony transportation 10 years. He is found in the 1851
> census as a convict aged 20 in Westminster. I suppose this is Millbank,
> where prisoners were sent pending transportation (Wikipedia says the
> derivation of pom is Prisoner of Millbank). It rather looks as if he
> served 5 years there before being pardoned; perhaps he was kept on one of
> the hulks.
> Anthony
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com on behalf of Tim Cattley
> Sent: Sat 12-09-2009 01:14
> To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Thomas Henry Catley in India
>
>
>
> I think that Liz's e-mail says it all here Anthony, she has picked up on
> the
> correspondence one way and another and is in contact with the Gt Gt
> Grandson
> of Bertram Sydney. Call it a collective operation well done, and all
> because
> of the e-mail sent in by Greame in the first place.
>
> Note: I am not researching any Trees at present but busy building my
> Cat*ley
> bmd database but like Liz am sensitive to any Catley information that I do
> not have recorded and am thus curious, hence my twopenny worth in this
> particular instance.
>
> Tim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Anthony M. Carter" <ACarter(a)health.sdu.dk>
> To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Thomas Henry Catley in India
>
>
>> Hi Tim
>>
>> Surely it cannot be that hard? I showed that he was variously described
>> as
>> sculptor and carrier hazarding the guess that the enumerator had changed
>> from carver to carrier. A quick Google search led directly to the Catley
>> data base and a Pigot's entry for James Catley carver and gilder.
>> Straight
>> on to 1851 census and we have James with son Thomas both transcribed (The
>> Genealogist) as turner and carrier; clearly turner and carver makes
>> better
>> sense. HO107/2363/~F985. Thomas was then 15 which is about right for the
>> one you are researching. Does this help?
>>
>> Anthony
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com on behalf of Tim Cattley
>> Sent: Fri 11-09-2009 13:15
>> To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
>> Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Thomas Henry Catley in India
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> The establishing of information concerning Thomas Catley (of Hull) and
>> his
>> children Mary Emily//Clara.A//Bertram.S//Archibald.E Catley, plus
>> grandsons
>> Thomas Henry and Horace Wentworth has not lead to anyone claiming this
>> branch as part of their tree.
>>
>> I note that Horace married in 1922 in West Derby and thus there may well
>> be
>> living issue here. Likewise, there could be living distaff relations via
>> grandaughter Nora F M Catley who m Leonard Clarke in 1945.
>>
>> No doubt Liz has taken note of the details and with her family
>> connections
>> to Hull, will have a closer look at Thomas.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Graeme Simpson" <gsimpson(a)netspace.net.au>
>> To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
>> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 10:19 AM
>> Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Thomas Henry Catley in India
>>
>>
>>> Hello everyone,
>>>
>>> I have been following the responses about Thomas but have been busy
>>> getting ready to go to India again (early next week). I need to have
>>> a closer look to follow all the comments etc. for which I thank
>>> everyone. As Nigel mentioned, he is not part of our Leonard and
>>> Charlotte Catley family, so there is another branch to research in
>>> India.
>>>
>>> Thanks again,
>>>
>>> Graeme Simpson
>>>
>>>
>>> -------------------------------
>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
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>>
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I think that Liz's e-mail says it all here Anthony, she has picked up on the
correspondence one way and another and is in contact with the Gt Gt Grandson
of Bertram Sydney. Call it a collective operation well done, and all because
of the e-mail sent in by Greame in the first place.
Note: I am not researching any Trees at present but busy building my Cat*ley
bmd database but like Liz am sensitive to any Catley information that I do
not have recorded and am thus curious, hence my twopenny worth in this
particular instance.
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony M. Carter" <ACarter(a)health.sdu.dk>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Thomas Henry Catley in India
> Hi Tim
>
> Surely it cannot be that hard? I showed that he was variously described as
> sculptor and carrier hazarding the guess that the enumerator had changed
> from carver to carrier. A quick Google search led directly to the Catley
> data base and a Pigot's entry for James Catley carver and gilder. Straight
> on to 1851 census and we have James with son Thomas both transcribed (The
> Genealogist) as turner and carrier; clearly turner and carver makes better
> sense. HO107/2363/~F985. Thomas was then 15 which is about right for the
> one you are researching. Does this help?
>
> Anthony
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com on behalf of Tim Cattley
> Sent: Fri 11-09-2009 13:15
> To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Thomas Henry Catley in India
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> The establishing of information concerning Thomas Catley (of Hull) and his
> children Mary Emily//Clara.A//Bertram.S//Archibald.E Catley, plus
> grandsons
> Thomas Henry and Horace Wentworth has not lead to anyone claiming this
> branch as part of their tree.
>
> I note that Horace married in 1922 in West Derby and thus there may well
> be
> living issue here. Likewise, there could be living distaff relations via
> grandaughter Nora F M Catley who m Leonard Clarke in 1945.
>
> No doubt Liz has taken note of the details and with her family connections
> to Hull, will have a closer look at Thomas.
>
> Tim
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Graeme Simpson" <gsimpson(a)netspace.net.au>
> To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 10:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Thomas Henry Catley in India
>
>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> I have been following the responses about Thomas but have been busy
>> getting ready to go to India again (early next week). I need to have
>> a closer look to follow all the comments etc. for which I thank
>> everyone. As Nigel mentioned, he is not part of our Leonard and
>> Charlotte Catley family, so there is another branch to research in India.
>>
>> Thanks again,
>>
>> Graeme Simpson
>>
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Hi again
Just to let you know that Bertram Sydney married Frances McCoach in
londonderry. I am going to get Chris to join the list as Nora was his
grandmother.
Liz
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony M. Carter" <ACarter(a)health.sdu.dk>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Thomas Henry Catley in India
> IGI has a Bertram Sydney Catley baptised 1 July 1874 at St Mark Kennington
> son of Thomas and Jane Catley. In 1881 census, Thomas is a sculptor from
> Hull. They are also in 1891 census where the enumerator has Thomas as a
> carrier in stone and wood (presumably his transcription of carver). I did
> not find Bertram in 1901 or 1911. Anthony
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com on behalf of Graeme Simpson
> Sent: Wed 02-09-2009 14:47
> To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: [CATLEY] Thomas Henry Catley in India
>
>
>
> I serendipitously found a reference to a Thomas
> Henry Catley who married in Bombay in 1924. I
> couldn't find this in the Catley database nor is
> he in the information Nigel gave me on our mutual
> family in India. So I emailed the poster and
> received the following information (which he is happy for me to post
> here):
>
> From LDS Film 0528105, Vol 132, Folio 190:
>
> Catley Thomas Henry Married 3-Oct-1924 at Bombay,
> Bombay Presidency, Full Age; Bachelor; Occ
> Sergeant 2nd Battalion Northamptonshire Regiment;
> Reside Colaba; Father Bertram Sidney Catley
> (deceased); By Licence; Witness R Guthrie,
> Lillian Ellen Holland; By George Hewitt Senior
> Chaplain: At St John's .......? Memorial Church.
>
> Beeby, Doris Nellie Full Age; Spinster; Reside
> Colaba; Father John Richard Beeby
>
> Has anyone come across Thomas? or his father Bertram Sidney?
>
> Regards
> Graeme Simpson
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Hi Tim
Surely it cannot be that hard? I showed that he was variously described as sculptor and carrier hazarding the guess that the enumerator had changed from carver to carrier. A quick Google search led directly to the Catley data base and a Pigot's entry for James Catley carver and gilder. Straight on to 1851 census and we have James with son Thomas both transcribed (The Genealogist) as turner and carrier; clearly turner and carver makes better sense. HO107/2363/~F985. Thomas was then 15 which is about right for the one you are researching. Does this help?
Anthony
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From: catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com on behalf of Tim Cattley
Sent: Fri 11-09-2009 13:15
To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Thomas Henry Catley in India
Hi All,
The establishing of information concerning Thomas Catley (of Hull) and his
children Mary Emily//Clara.A//Bertram.S//Archibald.E Catley, plus grandsons
Thomas Henry and Horace Wentworth has not lead to anyone claiming this
branch as part of their tree.
I note that Horace married in 1922 in West Derby and thus there may well be
living issue here. Likewise, there could be living distaff relations via
grandaughter Nora F M Catley who m Leonard Clarke in 1945.
No doubt Liz has taken note of the details and with her family connections
to Hull, will have a closer look at Thomas.
Tim
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From: "Graeme Simpson" <gsimpson(a)netspace.net.au>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Thomas Henry Catley in India
> Hello everyone,
>
> I have been following the responses about Thomas but have been busy
> getting ready to go to India again (early next week). I need to have
> a closer look to follow all the comments etc. for which I thank
> everyone. As Nigel mentioned, he is not part of our Leonard and
> Charlotte Catley family, so there is another branch to research in India.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Graeme Simpson
>
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Hi All,
The establishing of information concerning Thomas Catley (of Hull) and his
children Mary Emily//Clara.A//Bertram.S//Archibald.E Catley, plus grandsons
Thomas Henry and Horace Wentworth has not lead to anyone claiming this
branch as part of their tree.
I note that Horace married in 1922 in West Derby and thus there may well be
living issue here. Likewise, there could be living distaff relations via
grandaughter Nora F M Catley who m Leonard Clarke in 1945.
No doubt Liz has taken note of the details and with her family connections
to Hull, will have a closer look at Thomas.
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Graeme Simpson" <gsimpson(a)netspace.net.au>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Thomas Henry Catley in India
> Hello everyone,
>
> I have been following the responses about Thomas but have been busy
> getting ready to go to India again (early next week). I need to have
> a closer look to follow all the comments etc. for which I thank
> everyone. As Nigel mentioned, he is not part of our Leonard and
> Charlotte Catley family, so there is another branch to research in India.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Graeme Simpson
>
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Hi John,
Following on from our conversation on the way to The Trout Inn to meet Erica et al, regarding the existence of more than one African-American family bearing the Cat*ley name and the fact that I had some contact with one such family back in the 1980's :-
David M has put me onto an interesting web site covering the USA bmd's and census returns which strongly suggests that more than one family indeed exists.
I must look into my paper correspondence file and formulate a tree for the family I was in contact with and then compare it with the web site information and see what is left out. Maybe this will explain the story you heard regarding a slave Catley who escaped the plantation and hid out with the local American Indian's.
Will keep you briefed re developments.
Bless
Tim
Sure Tim,
No problem
Jann
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Behalf Of Tim Cattley
Sent: Wednesday, 9 September 2009 6:45 PM
To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Fw: Co Derry
Hi Jann,
Thank you for the confirmation/clarification about Clara Amelia Catley. My
mistake.
It is fine using self devised data sheets for search/research work, as long
as the information therein is accurate!
I had correctly connected Clara to the Thomas Catley of Midsomer Norton
tree at time of birth/bapt but then failed to repeat this against her year
of marriage in 1895 ; thus she looked to be "unattached" when I searched my
'95 records last night .......... a classic error!
As I indicated in an earlier e-mail; have a couple of queries re dates of
birth for your branch members and would like to double check with you "off
List" if I may?
Take it you are still on the same netspace address?
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jann Parkes" <jann_parkes(a)netspace.net.au>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 11:28 PM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Fw: Co Derry
> Hi Tim and all,
>
> My Great Grandmother, Clara Amelia Catley married Joseph Sutton in
> Tasmania
> then settled in NSW Australia.
>
> She was born in Tasmania and her parents were Susannah Miles and William
> Aubrey Catley.
>
> Clara died in NSW and was finally buried with Joseph Sutton in Scone NSW.
>
> Glad I could be of help in eliminating my Clara from the mystery!
> Kind regards,
> Jann
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:catley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
> Behalf Of Tim Cattley
> Sent: Wednesday, 9 September 2009 4:24 AM
> To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Fw: Co Derry
>
> I have found the death of Mary Emily as 2/4 1885 St Saviours Reg Dist and
> George Arthur died as an infant in 1867 at Kennington so he looks to
> "fit"as
>
> a probable other child.
>
> Clara. A. has escaped me although I notice a Clara Amelia Catley married
> 25/02/1895 in Tasmania and she does not seem to belong to the Thomas
> Catley
> of Midsomer Norton Tasmaian clan (Jan, can you confirm this?) so suppose
> it
> is possible that she is one and the same as it would not be the first time
> a
>
> single Cat*ley female emigrated by herself!
>
> Tim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Anthony M. Carter" <ACarter(a)health.sdu.dk>
> To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 3:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Fw: Co Derry
>
>
>> Hi Tim
>> The 1881 Census confirms children as Mary Emily (17), Clara A (13),
>> Bertram S (7) and Archibald E (4). In 1891 only Bertram remains with the
>> parents.
>> Anthony
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com on behalf of Tim Cattley
>> Sent: Tue 08-09-2009 15:57
>> To: catley @rootsweb
>> Subject: [CATLEY] Fw: Co Derry
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>> We seem to have the situation where Bertram Catley married Frances.A.? in
>> Londonderry 2/4 1894 whilst at the same time Herbert Cattley who married
>> Gertrude Nelson Clarke 2/4 1891 Dewsbury had their first son Irvine born
>> 1/4
>> 1894 also in Londonderry.
>>
>> Were Bertram and Herbert related? Odd surely that two different
>> Catley/Cattleys should both be in Londonderry at the same time, unless
>> maybe
>> military postings?
>>
>> Herbert we know, is part of the Thomas Cattley of Escrick family tree but
>> we
>> know little of Bertram other than what has been submitted recently in
>> that
>> he was probably bapt Kennington 01/07/1874 son of Thomas (from Hull) and
>> Jane his wife.
>>
>> I have failed to identify this Thomas but I do note that there are
>> another
>> two Kennington births attributed to parents with names Thomas and Jane,
>> these are George Arthur Catley and Archibold Edgar Catley b 1867 and
>> 1876.
>> Could they be siblings of Bertram?
>>
>> Seems that Bertram may have had another son, Horace W Catley but have not
>> been able to find any confirmation yet.
>>
>> Tim
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tim Cattley" <felis(a)mypostoffice.co.uk>
>> To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
>> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 11:35 PM
>> Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Co Derry
>>
>>
>>> Herbert Cattley m Gertrude Nelson Clark 2/4 1891 Dewsbury Yks
>>> issue b Londonderry :-
>>> Irvine b 1893/4
>>> Louis Allan b 1899
>>> Irvine b 1900
>>>
>>> Bertram Catley m Frances.A. ?? 2/4 1894 Londonderry
>>> issue
>>>
>>> Thomas Henry b 1895
>>> Horace b ?
>>>
>>> Tim
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "lizcordingley" <lizcordingley(a)blueyonder.co.uk>
>>> To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 10:43 PM
>>> Subject: [CATLEY] Co Derry
>>>
>>>
>>>> Irvine Cattley b 1893
>>>> Louis Allen Cattley b 1899
>>>>
>>>> 1901 census
>>>> Gertrude Cattley
>>>> Herbert Cattley
>>>> Irvine Cattley
>>>> Louis Cattley
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sorry no refs again as its a pay site.
>>>> Liz
>>>>
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Hi Jann,
Am getting bounces on your e-mail address so am sending this via the List
Am in a muddle regarding some of the children of William Aubrey 1st and Susanna Miles.
My info comes from Glynis but I don't think she can add any more clarification which is why I am turning to you for help.
Most of the birth dates of William & Susanna's children look OK and it is just the 1873 -1875 period which looks a bit dodgy :-
I have as follows
Amy Ann born 31/08/1873
James Thomas born 11/08/1873. There is also a ref to James Thomas being baptised 03/09/1873.
I assume that they were twins and born either 11/08 or 31/08 and probably both bapt 03/09/73 ? Can you confirm either way?
Then there is an Emily Elizabeth also born 1873 but no date given, triplets?!? Hardly!
The James Thomas is shown as died 10/03/1875, however another son, also James Thomas is shown as born 03/09/1875 who married Dorcas Holbrook in 1899 and died in 1942. Can you also confirm this please?
Sorry to be a pain but obviously I wish to get things as correct as possible as my final spreadsheet is going to be used as a reference work.
Hope you can help
Cheers
Tim
Hi Jann,
Thank you for the confirmation/clarification about Clara Amelia Catley. My
mistake.
It is fine using self devised data sheets for search/research work, as long
as the information therein is accurate!
I had correctly connected Clara to the Thomas Catley of Midsomer Norton
tree at time of birth/bapt but then failed to repeat this against her year
of marriage in 1895 ; thus she looked to be "unattached" when I searched my
'95 records last night .......... a classic error!
As I indicated in an earlier e-mail; have a couple of queries re dates of
birth for your branch members and would like to double check with you "off
List" if I may?
Take it you are still on the same netspace address?
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jann Parkes" <jann_parkes(a)netspace.net.au>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 11:28 PM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Fw: Co Derry
> Hi Tim and all,
>
> My Great Grandmother, Clara Amelia Catley married Joseph Sutton in
> Tasmania
> then settled in NSW Australia.
>
> She was born in Tasmania and her parents were Susannah Miles and William
> Aubrey Catley.
>
> Clara died in NSW and was finally buried with Joseph Sutton in Scone NSW.
>
> Glad I could be of help in eliminating my Clara from the mystery!
> Kind regards,
> Jann
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:catley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
> Behalf Of Tim Cattley
> Sent: Wednesday, 9 September 2009 4:24 AM
> To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Fw: Co Derry
>
> I have found the death of Mary Emily as 2/4 1885 St Saviours Reg Dist and
> George Arthur died as an infant in 1867 at Kennington so he looks to
> "fit"as
>
> a probable other child.
>
> Clara. A. has escaped me although I notice a Clara Amelia Catley married
> 25/02/1895 in Tasmania and she does not seem to belong to the Thomas
> Catley
> of Midsomer Norton Tasmaian clan (Jan, can you confirm this?) so suppose
> it
> is possible that she is one and the same as it would not be the first time
> a
>
> single Cat*ley female emigrated by herself!
>
> Tim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Anthony M. Carter" <ACarter(a)health.sdu.dk>
> To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 3:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Fw: Co Derry
>
>
>> Hi Tim
>> The 1881 Census confirms children as Mary Emily (17), Clara A (13),
>> Bertram S (7) and Archibald E (4). In 1891 only Bertram remains with the
>> parents.
>> Anthony
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com on behalf of Tim Cattley
>> Sent: Tue 08-09-2009 15:57
>> To: catley @rootsweb
>> Subject: [CATLEY] Fw: Co Derry
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>> We seem to have the situation where Bertram Catley married Frances.A.? in
>> Londonderry 2/4 1894 whilst at the same time Herbert Cattley who married
>> Gertrude Nelson Clarke 2/4 1891 Dewsbury had their first son Irvine born
>> 1/4
>> 1894 also in Londonderry.
>>
>> Were Bertram and Herbert related? Odd surely that two different
>> Catley/Cattleys should both be in Londonderry at the same time, unless
>> maybe
>> military postings?
>>
>> Herbert we know, is part of the Thomas Cattley of Escrick family tree but
>> we
>> know little of Bertram other than what has been submitted recently in
>> that
>> he was probably bapt Kennington 01/07/1874 son of Thomas (from Hull) and
>> Jane his wife.
>>
>> I have failed to identify this Thomas but I do note that there are
>> another
>> two Kennington births attributed to parents with names Thomas and Jane,
>> these are George Arthur Catley and Archibold Edgar Catley b 1867 and
>> 1876.
>> Could they be siblings of Bertram?
>>
>> Seems that Bertram may have had another son, Horace W Catley but have not
>> been able to find any confirmation yet.
>>
>> Tim
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tim Cattley" <felis(a)mypostoffice.co.uk>
>> To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
>> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 11:35 PM
>> Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Co Derry
>>
>>
>>> Herbert Cattley m Gertrude Nelson Clark 2/4 1891 Dewsbury Yks
>>> issue b Londonderry :-
>>> Irvine b 1893/4
>>> Louis Allan b 1899
>>> Irvine b 1900
>>>
>>> Bertram Catley m Frances.A. ?? 2/4 1894 Londonderry
>>> issue
>>>
>>> Thomas Henry b 1895
>>> Horace b ?
>>>
>>> Tim
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "lizcordingley" <lizcordingley(a)blueyonder.co.uk>
>>> To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 10:43 PM
>>> Subject: [CATLEY] Co Derry
>>>
>>>
>>>> Irvine Cattley b 1893
>>>> Louis Allen Cattley b 1899
>>>>
>>>> 1901 census
>>>> Gertrude Cattley
>>>> Herbert Cattley
>>>> Irvine Cattley
>>>> Louis Cattley
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sorry no refs again as its a pay site.
>>>> Liz
>>>>
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Hi Tim
Henry Catley was baptised on 28/10/1856 Coulogne Pierre Le Calais France.
Horace was Esquire.
Can't find Robert so perhaps he was born in Ireland.
Liz
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Cattley" <felis(a)mypostoffice.co.uk>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 10:40 PM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] france
> Thank's Liz,
>
> You have uncovered a "gotaway" member of the Stevan Catlay of Normanton
> tree.
>
> Robert James Cattley a merchant residing in Enfield married Caroline
> Prescott of Wandsworth in 1817. They had six children including Horace b
> 1824.
>
> Horace we knew m Susannah Gumbleton Rogers but when/where unknown (there
> is
> a Horace Cattley marriage in the Irish CRI for 1853, Mallow, Ireland) and
> that they had three children:-
>
> Robert James Rogers Cattley b 27/05/1854
> Henry Cattley b 11/08/1856
> Martha Caroline Cattley b 28/11/1866
>
> none of which appear in the GRO.
>
> Horace known to have died in Calais in 1881.
>
> Now your info confirming Martha Carolines birth in Calais.
>
> Can you check your source for 1854 and 1856 and see if Robert James Roger
> and Henry's births also show in Calais?
>
> Cheers
>
> Tim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "lizcordingley" <lizcordingley(a)blueyonder.co.uk>
> To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 7:11 PM
> Subject: [CATLEY] france
>
>
>> Horace Cattley Professor and Susanna Gunmbleton had Martha Caroline b
>> 27/11/1866 bap 20/12/1866 Quail Est St. Pierre Calais France
>> RG33/piece 51/ folio 20
>>
>> Liz
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Thank's Liz,
You have uncovered a "gotaway" member of the Stevan Catlay of Normanton
tree.
Robert James Cattley a merchant residing in Enfield married Caroline
Prescott of Wandsworth in 1817. They had six children including Horace b
1824.
Horace we knew m Susannah Gumbleton Rogers but when/where unknown (there is
a Horace Cattley marriage in the Irish CRI for 1853, Mallow, Ireland) and
that they had three children:-
Robert James Rogers Cattley b 27/05/1854
Henry Cattley b 11/08/1856
Martha Caroline Cattley b 28/11/1866
none of which appear in the GRO.
Horace known to have died in Calais in 1881.
Now your info confirming Martha Carolines birth in Calais.
Can you check your source for 1854 and 1856 and see if Robert James Roger
and Henry's births also show in Calais?
Cheers
Tim
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From: "lizcordingley" <lizcordingley(a)blueyonder.co.uk>
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Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 7:11 PM
Subject: [CATLEY] france
> Horace Cattley Professor and Susanna Gunmbleton had Martha Caroline b
> 27/11/1866 bap 20/12/1866 Quail Est St. Pierre Calais France
> RG33/piece 51/ folio 20
>
> Liz
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I have found the death of Mary Emily as 2/4 1885 St Saviours Reg Dist and
George Arthur died as an infant in 1867 at Kennington so he looks to "fit"as
a probable other child.
Clara. A. has escaped me although I notice a Clara Amelia Catley married
25/02/1895 in Tasmania and she does not seem to belong to the Thomas Catley
of Midsomer Norton Tasmaian clan (Jan, can you confirm this?) so suppose it
is possible that she is one and the same as it would not be the first time a
single Cat*ley female emigrated by herself!
Tim
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From: "Anthony M. Carter" <ACarter(a)health.sdu.dk>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Fw: Co Derry
> Hi Tim
> The 1881 Census confirms children as Mary Emily (17), Clara A (13),
> Bertram S (7) and Archibald E (4). In 1891 only Bertram remains with the
> parents.
> Anthony
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> From: catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com on behalf of Tim Cattley
> Sent: Tue 08-09-2009 15:57
> To: catley @rootsweb
> Subject: [CATLEY] Fw: Co Derry
>
>
>
> Hi All,
> We seem to have the situation where Bertram Catley married Frances.A.? in
> Londonderry 2/4 1894 whilst at the same time Herbert Cattley who married
> Gertrude Nelson Clarke 2/4 1891 Dewsbury had their first son Irvine born
> 1/4
> 1894 also in Londonderry.
>
> Were Bertram and Herbert related? Odd surely that two different
> Catley/Cattleys should both be in Londonderry at the same time, unless
> maybe
> military postings?
>
> Herbert we know, is part of the Thomas Cattley of Escrick family tree but
> we
> know little of Bertram other than what has been submitted recently in that
> he was probably bapt Kennington 01/07/1874 son of Thomas (from Hull) and
> Jane his wife.
>
> I have failed to identify this Thomas but I do note that there are another
> two Kennington births attributed to parents with names Thomas and Jane,
> these are George Arthur Catley and Archibold Edgar Catley b 1867 and 1876.
> Could they be siblings of Bertram?
>
> Seems that Bertram may have had another son, Horace W Catley but have not
> been able to find any confirmation yet.
>
> Tim
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> From: "Tim Cattley" <felis(a)mypostoffice.co.uk>
> To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 11:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Co Derry
>
>
>> Herbert Cattley m Gertrude Nelson Clark 2/4 1891 Dewsbury Yks
>> issue b Londonderry :-
>> Irvine b 1893/4
>> Louis Allan b 1899
>> Irvine b 1900
>>
>> Bertram Catley m Frances.A. ?? 2/4 1894 Londonderry
>> issue
>>
>> Thomas Henry b 1895
>> Horace b ?
>>
>> Tim
>> ----- Original Message -----
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>> To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
>> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 10:43 PM
>> Subject: [CATLEY] Co Derry
>>
>>
>>> Irvine Cattley b 1893
>>> Louis Allen Cattley b 1899
>>>
>>> 1901 census
>>> Gertrude Cattley
>>> Herbert Cattley
>>> Irvine Cattley
>>> Louis Cattley
>>>
>>>
>>> Sorry no refs again as its a pay site.
>>> Liz
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Horace Cattley Professor and Susanna Gunmbleton had Martha Caroline b 27/11/1866 bap 20/12/1866 Quail Est St. Pierre Calais France
RG33/piece 51/ folio 20
Liz
Hi All,
We seem to have the situation where Bertram Catley married Frances.A.? in
Londonderry 2/4 1894 whilst at the same time Herbert Cattley who married
Gertrude Nelson Clarke 2/4 1891 Dewsbury had their first son Irvine born 1/4
1894 also in Londonderry.
Were Bertram and Herbert related? Odd surely that two different
Catley/Cattleys should both be in Londonderry at the same time, unless maybe
military postings?
Herbert we know, is part of the Thomas Cattley of Escrick family tree but we
know little of Bertram other than what has been submitted recently in that
he was probably bapt Kennington 01/07/1874 son of Thomas (from Hull) and
Jane his wife.
I have failed to identify this Thomas but I do note that there are another
two Kennington births attributed to parents with names Thomas and Jane,
these are George Arthur Catley and Archibold Edgar Catley b 1867 and 1876.
Could they be siblings of Bertram?
Seems that Bertram may have had another son, Horace W Catley but have not
been able to find any confirmation yet.
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Cattley" <felis(a)mypostoffice.co.uk>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Co Derry
> Herbert Cattley m Gertrude Nelson Clark 2/4 1891 Dewsbury Yks
> issue b Londonderry :-
> Irvine b 1893/4
> Louis Allan b 1899
> Irvine b 1900
>
> Bertram Catley m Frances.A. ?? 2/4 1894 Londonderry
> issue
>
> Thomas Henry b 1895
> Horace b ?
>
> Tim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "lizcordingley" <lizcordingley(a)blueyonder.co.uk>
> To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 10:43 PM
> Subject: [CATLEY] Co Derry
>
>
>> Irvine Cattley b 1893
>> Louis Allen Cattley b 1899
>>
>> 1901 census
>> Gertrude Cattley
>> Herbert Cattley
>> Irvine Cattley
>> Louis Cattley
>>
>>
>> Sorry no refs again as its a pay site.
>> Liz
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Herbert Cattley m Gertrude Nelson Clark 2/4 1891 Dewsbury Yks
issue b Londonderry :-
Irvine b 1893/4
Louis Allan b 1899
Irvine b 1900
Bertram Catley m Frances.A. ?? 2/4 1894 Londonderry
issue
Thomas Henry b 1895
Horace b ?
Tim
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From: "lizcordingley" <lizcordingley(a)blueyonder.co.uk>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 10:43 PM
Subject: [CATLEY] Co Derry
> Irvine Cattley b 1893
> Louis Allen Cattley b 1899
>
> 1901 census
> Gertrude Cattley
> Herbert Cattley
> Irvine Cattley
> Louis Cattley
>
>
> Sorry no refs again as its a pay site.
> Liz
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Irvine Cattley b 1893
Louis Allen Cattley b 1899
1901 census
Gertrude Cattley
Herbert Cattley
Irvine Cattley
Louis Cattley
Sorry no refs again as its a pay site.
Liz