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Thank you Sharon and Anthony,
for your replies. It looks as if I will have to contain myself in patience until Sharon gets back to me with the full details.
Camberwell Reg Dist circa 1900 looks to have been quite interesting Cat*ley-wise as it appears as if there were probably five different trees living in the area, two with the double T spelling and three with the single T, one of the latter being Gwens lot.
Thank's Anthony, for the info re parents ie a Charles & Louisa Catley, they had escaped my attention. Have also found the death for Lili Victoria.
I suspect that the brother may well have been Charles born 1901.........
Your 2nd e-mail just received......................
Chas+Louisa:- son Sidney Charles.W.Catley birth reg 4/4 1886 Lambeth.
dau Daisy must be Daisy Ada reg 4/4 1889 St Saviours
dau? Ivy Patti reg 1/4 1892 Camberwell
son Gilbert Harold reg 3/4 1898 Camberwell.
Stumped re Mary bir circa 1884 and Gertrude V.
My GRO certainly shows a Charles Catley bir Reg Camberwell 2/4 1901 but if he was the brother of Gwen, I know not
Tim
Hi Tim
When I manage to get everything out on this, I know that I had Census
Returns, the lot, so I'll confirm it all to you. The family were based in
Camberwell in later years, but I have a feeling that earlier they traced
back to Wales but at the moment this is just memory and it's some years
since I looked into it all.
Sharon
-----Original Message-----
From: catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:catley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
Behalf Of Sharon White
Sent: 16 June 2009 00:06
To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Gwen Catley. Which Tree?
Hi Tim
I had a feeling that this Tree traced back to Wales, but I'll need to get
all this out to confirm. I did make contact with her son a few years ago
too, so I'll try to find the notes I made from the conversation I had with
him.
Sharon
-----Original Message-----
From: catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:catley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
Behalf Of Tim Cattley
Sent: 16 June 2009 00:00
To: catley @rootsweb
Subject: [CATLEY] Gwen Catley. Which Tree?
Still busily adding data to the "Which Catley Tree" spreadsheet and doing
the 1880 to 1930 period at present and as I went through 1906, was reminded
about Listers e-mails on Gwendoline Florence Catley b 1906 Camberwell, ie
Gwen Catley the singer.
Did any Lister ever manage to connect Gwens lineage back to known tree?
>From the e-mails, I think Sharon and Liz were looking at the history?
Gwens family looks to me to have been in Camberwell based, her father George
William Catley having married Ada Emily Lightfoot in the St Saviours Reg
Dist in 1887 and by 3/4 1887 they had Elizabeth Ada Catley birth Reg
Camberwell. From then until Gwens birth in 1/4 1906 the GRO shows some 20
Cat*ley births in that Registration District but obviously not all are of
this line. There are six Cattleys that can be attributed to the Charles
Cattley of Greenwich Tree (Alan in Vancouver who has done the Catley dna
test) so we can discount them for these purposes.
14 left: of these, six are recorded as Cattley and not Catley so let us
assume that the name spelling difference is correct (for a change!) and
concentrate on the remaining eight:-
One is obviously Gwen herself, that leaves seven
There is an Elizabeth. Jane. I. Catley bir 4/4 1897 with father indicated as
Henry George Catley so we can discount her too.
The possible children of George William Catley and Ada Emily Lightfoot could
therefore be as follows:-
Elizabeth Ada bir 3/4 1889
Louisa Mary.M bir 2/4 1891 (death 3/4 1892)
Ivy Patti bir 1/4 1892
Ethel Gladys.D bir 3/4 1894
Lili Victoria bir 3/4 1895
Gilbert Harold bir 3/4 1898
Charles bir 2/4 1901
Gewndoline Florence bir 1/4 1906
Can anybody add anything to clarify please?
Timcatt
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Hi Tim
I had a feeling that this Tree traced back to Wales, but I'll need to get
all this out to confirm. I did make contact with her son a few years ago
too, so I'll try to find the notes I made from the conversation I had with
him.
Sharon
-----Original Message-----
From: catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:catley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
Behalf Of Tim Cattley
Sent: 16 June 2009 00:00
To: catley @rootsweb
Subject: [CATLEY] Gwen Catley. Which Tree?
Still busily adding data to the "Which Catley Tree" spreadsheet and doing
the 1880 to 1930 period at present and as I went through 1906, was reminded
about Listers e-mails on Gwendoline Florence Catley b 1906 Camberwell, ie
Gwen Catley the singer.
Did any Lister ever manage to connect Gwens lineage back to known tree?
>From the e-mails, I think Sharon and Liz were looking at the history?
Gwens family looks to me to have been in Camberwell based, her father George
William Catley having married Ada Emily Lightfoot in the St Saviours Reg
Dist in 1887 and by 3/4 1887 they had Elizabeth Ada Catley birth Reg
Camberwell. From then until Gwens birth in 1/4 1906 the GRO shows some 20
Cat*ley births in that Registration District but obviously not all are of
this line. There are six Cattleys that can be attributed to the Charles
Cattley of Greenwich Tree (Alan in Vancouver who has done the Catley dna
test) so we can discount them for these purposes.
14 left: of these, six are recorded as Cattley and not Catley so let us
assume that the name spelling difference is correct (for a change!) and
concentrate on the remaining eight:-
One is obviously Gwen herself, that leaves seven
There is an Elizabeth. Jane. I. Catley bir 4/4 1897 with father indicated as
Henry George Catley so we can discount her too.
The possible children of George William Catley and Ada Emily Lightfoot could
therefore be as follows:-
Elizabeth Ada bir 3/4 1889
Louisa Mary.M bir 2/4 1891 (death 3/4 1892)
Ivy Patti bir 1/4 1892
Ethel Gladys.D bir 3/4 1894
Lili Victoria bir 3/4 1895
Gilbert Harold bir 3/4 1898
Charles bir 2/4 1901
Gewndoline Florence bir 1/4 1906
Can anybody add anything to clarify please?
Timcatt
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Still busily adding data to the "Which Catley Tree" spreadsheet and doing the 1880 to 1930 period at present and as I went through 1906, was reminded about Listers e-mails on Gwendoline Florence Catley b 1906 Camberwell, ie Gwen Catley the singer.
Did any Lister ever manage to connect Gwens lineage back to known tree? >From the e-mails, I think Sharon and Liz were looking at the history?
Gwens family looks to me to have been in Camberwell based, her father George William Catley having married Ada Emily Lightfoot in the St Saviours Reg Dist in 1887 and by 3/4 1887 they had Elizabeth Ada Catley birth Reg Camberwell. From then until Gwens birth in 1/4 1906 the GRO shows some 20 Cat*ley births in that Registration District but obviously not all are of this line. There are six Cattleys that can be attributed to the Charles Cattley of Greenwich Tree (Alan in Vancouver who has done the Catley dna test) so we can discount them for these purposes.
14 left: of these, six are recorded as Cattley and not Catley so let us assume that the name spelling difference is correct (for a change!) and concentrate on the remaining eight:-
One is obviously Gwen herself, that leaves seven
There is an Elizabeth. Jane. I. Catley bir 4/4 1897 with father indicated as Henry George Catley so we can discount her too.
The possible children of George William Catley and Ada Emily Lightfoot could therefore be as follows:-
Elizabeth Ada bir 3/4 1889
Louisa Mary.M bir 2/4 1891 (death 3/4 1892)
Ivy Patti bir 1/4 1892
Ethel Gladys.D bir 3/4 1894
Lili Victoria bir 3/4 1895
Gilbert Harold bir 3/4 1898
Charles bir 2/4 1901
Gewndoline Florence bir 1/4 1906
Can anybody add anything to clarify please?
Timcatt
Dear Tim,
You do not indicate if you know more. The following is from the citation in the London Gazette 7 November 1944:
The KING has been graciously pleased to approve the award of the George Medal, in recognition of conspicuous gallantry in carrying out hazardous work in a very brave manner, to the undermentioned:-
No. 4808333 Private Arthur Catley, Pioneer Corps (Immingham, near Grimsby).
Anthony
________________________________
From: catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com on behalf of Tim Cattley
Sent: Sun 14-06-2009 19:23
To: catley @rootsweb
Subject: [CATLEY] A very brave Catley
Found on The Royal Pioneer Corps web page:-
Ref to Pte A Catley who on 8th June (two days after the Normandy Landings) 1944 along with his Sergeant, spent one and a half hours attempting to move and make safe, ammunition and other ordnance that was engulfed and exploding due to a fire in an adjacent petrol depot set alight by an enemy bomb.
For selfless disregard for their own safety and with tens of tons of heavy calibre artillery shells exploding about them and saving about one third of the ammunition dump, both men were awarded The George Medal.
Timcat
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Found on The Royal Pioneer Corps web page:-
Ref to Pte A Catley who on 8th June (two days after the Normandy Landings) 1944 along with his Sergeant, spent one and a half hours attempting to move and make safe, ammunition and other ordnance that was engulfed and exploding due to a fire in an adjacent petrol depot set alight by an enemy bomb.
For selfless disregard for their own safety and with tens of tons of heavy calibre artillery shells exploding about them and saving about one third of the ammunition dump, both men were awarded The George Medal.
Timcat
Afternoon listers,
Gosh it's hot here, Wimbledon is nearly upon us (if you like that sort of thing) and battle with the Aussies will soon commence (once more into the....)!
Well, if you have '5' here's some notes I thought I would share with you, borrowed from recent postings on Lincsgen via Rootsweb.
The authress, Anne Cole, is stalwart researcher and indexer with the Lincolnshire F.H.S. in all matters regarding Poor Law issues.
I guess some of you will have already come across references to Poor Law records concerning individuals in your line, and if not you may well in the future.
The following notes, in response to a 'brickwall' posting over where someone may have been born, sets out in a clear and concise manner points to note and be aware of when considering Poor Record sources.
By the way I have deliberately reproduced the postings in their entirety. Obviously the principal county relates to Lincolnshire, with additions for Cheshire. The point is that the source detail and research processes mentioned, will be pretty much applicable to every other county in the realm.
Hopefully it will jog memories and perhaps provide fresh avenues of research for you to consider.
David
(Nottingham)
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
This was the original posting:
>Charles KENDALL married Jane JOHNSON in 1749 at Redbourne Lincolnshire, their first child was born at Snitterby [baptised Waddingham) in 1751 and the second in September 1755 at Bishop Norton along with five younger siblings. This appears to be the first and only KENDALL family in the area and the progenitors of several generations of KENDALL'S who frequent this area. Charles KENDALL is my longest standing brick wall, where did he come from, oh and when/where did Charles and Jane KENDALL die and/or are buried?, I have looked for this information to see if a clue to ages and therefore dob may help.
>However this morning whilst perusing FMP I came across the following entry
>Lincolnshire Settlement Certificates
20 Aug 1755
Charles KENDALL
Other details: wife & family
Legal Settlement: Alvingham
County: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Document ref: Bishop Norton 13/1/10
>It looks like Charles moved to Bishop Norton just before the birth/baptism of his second child. I am sure this must be my Charles and family as they were the first KENDALL'S in the area, does this suggest Charles was born in Alvingham? Though no KENDALL baptisms are listed on the IGI for Alvingham. If I ordered the settlement papers what sort of information may they contain?
> Maria
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Anne replied with the following:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Maria,
The information on the settlement certificate will be what is on FMP -
10 Charles KENDALL his wife and family legally settled in the parish of
Alvingham. Certificate dated 20 August 1755.
This tells you that Alvingham parish acknowledged that Charles Kendall and
his family were legally settled in that parish and that Charles applied for
a settlement certificate from the parish of Alvingham and used it when he
moved to Bishop Norton. He may or may not have been born at Alvingham; he
may have been hired to do a years' service in the parish of Alvingham, or he
may have been apprenticed to someone there. It is even possible that he
didn't gain a settlement of his own and that his father's legal settlement
was at Alvingham.
Maybe there is a settlement examination that will tell you more, but
settlement examinations are not exactly abundant in the mid 1700s.
Unfortunately there are no poor law documents for Alvingham parish, but if
overseers accounts exist there may be a mention of the family there.
It is possible that Charles gained a subsequent settlement at Bishop Norton
if he stayed there. He could gain a new settlement by serving a parish
office there, or paying more than £10 a year rent, for a year.
There seems to be nothing on this family amongst the Lindsey Quarter
Sessions poor law material, but there is a large amount of information on a
Richard and Diana Kendall in the 19th century.
As with all indexes you should however check the original to make sure that
no errors have been made in the indexing.
Anne
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
By the way, certificates were often issued retrospectively. Charles may have
moved to Bishop Norton with his wife some time before, but the obvious
appearance of pregnancy in his wife would have been a good enough reason for
the parish of Bishop Norton to apply to Charles's place of settlement for a
certificate.
The "and family" bit is standard, as a settlement certificate automatically
includes a man, his wife and his dependent children, either existing or to
exist in the future. Only if the children are named, or indication is given
of how many children there are, do you know for sure they actually exist.
Some certificates are completely printed with space only for one name with
"and family" actually printed after the space. Some of the certificates for
the two Stamford parishes that have them are like this.
In this case you have proof that there is a wife and one child with another
on the way.
Anne
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
You may be wondering what is the use of a document that simply tells you
where someone's legal settlement is. It is a widely held idea that
settlement certificates tell you where people were born; they do not.
They are useful for several reasons.
They may give you a complete camera shot of a family at a particular time:
John CURTIS & Jane his wife Mary his daughter aged 12 years, George his son
aged 10 years, John his son aged 6 years, Richard his son aged 4 years,
Sarah his daughter aged 1 year and Ann his daughter aged 6 weeks legally
settled in the parish of Freiston. Certificate dated 21 Jan 1782.
It may also give you other information:
13 Joseph KINGE born of the body of Ann King laite servt to Mr Charles
HANSON "soposed to be a bastord" legally settled in the parish of St
Margaret in the Close of Lincoln Ann King having a legal settlement there.
Certificate dated 13 Oct 1712
It will give you some idea of when a family first made an entrance into a
particular parish, which is particularly helpful if the parish of settlement
is in another county.
It may also lead you to finding a great deal more information about the
family. If I may give you an example:
27 Feb 1822 Pd order for Duncalfs fameley enterance at the Workhouse
00-05-00 [Removal Order from Aston by Sutton to Little Budworth - John
Duncalf and family. Ref: P36/19/103]
I found the removal order at Chester RO. On searching the Little Budworth
poor law material I found several other documents including a deal of
bastardy information - orders, warrant and a letter from the overseer to one
of the putative fathers. There was an overseers account book for the
township in existence so I took a look at that. I began in 1820, the date of
the removal order I first found, and had to keep going back to
25 Apr 1768 To Expences getting Duncalfs Certificate 00-01-00
9 Oct 1768 For a certificate for Duncalfe which he has not yet had
00-02-00
before I stopped finding Duncalfs. I ended up with 14 typed pages of Duncalf
entries from these accounts. The above refers to Joseph, father of John, who
never, as far as I can ascertain, set foot in Little Budworth, but lived all
his life in a different parish whilst being supported by the parish of LB.
His second wife was the first Duncalf to appear in the LB registers when she
was buried there, and John's wife is living in an alms house at LB in the
1851 and 1861 census before she was buried there.
That is the possibility that you have when you discover where someone's
settlement is!
By the way, this is one of my favourite bits from the accounts:
1 Jan 1808 To gowing to Tarvin with Duncalf to farther hir child
00-02-06
[He took Ellen to the magistrate for a bastardy examination
to find the name of her child's father. Twin illegitimate
children, Ann & Martha were born to Ellen 20 January -
Bastardy Order ref: P36/21/46. The father was Thomas
Mills of Weaverham]
The other is:
23 Jan 1809 Jos Duncalf funaral coffin 01-00-00
To church fees 00-03-04
To bred and buns and ale [Joseph Duncalf buried 23 Jan
1809 at Weaverham] 00-11-01½
Anne
Hello John,
Here are the details of the two books that involve members of the Stevan Catlay of Normanton (Yorks) family tree that we talked about on the way back from the Catley Listers meeting at The Trout today:-
1) British Military Intelligence in the Crimean War 1854-1856.
By Stephen M Harris Pub: Frank Cass of London UK and
Oregon.USA. 1999.
This concerns Charles Robert Cattley who set up the first proper military Intelligence Unit to feed the Commander in the field (in this Case: Lord Raglan) with accurate and detailed information as to enemy activities which had a direct effect on the outcome of a military campaign.
2) Marked for Misfortune. An epic tale of shipwreck, human endeavour and survival in the age of sail.
By Jean Hood Pub: Conway Maritime Press of London 2003.
This concerns the fate of the East Indiaman ship "Winterton" which was wrecked on a reef off the coast of Madagascar en route Uk to India. Her 6th Lieutenant, a John Dale was a major player in saving many of both the crew and passengers against seemingly impossible odds. This true tale makes compulsive reading. The Cattley connection comes later, when John Dale then aged 46 marries Frances Bode Cattley.
Bless
Tim.
Hi Sharon,
That's a thought, could be Emery of MSN or Thomas of MSN or even Henry of
Cucklington.
I think we only have Glynis + Nigel looking at Emery and no work being done
on Thomas' or Henry's trees although that said, Liz may be looking at them?
As for :- "no" OK thought so, we now have quite a little collection of
unaccounted for Barkway/Anstey Catleys that are detached from the main tree
and should make an interesting project. Pity that the extra data you
extracted still does not help us to attach Valerie Olesen's branch into
place with confirmation re missing Edward?
Speak more on Sunday!
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sharon White" <frizzyfiona(a)ntlworld.com>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 7:17 AM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Catley/Cadley Anstey/Ansty
> Hi Tim
> Pewsey's not part of my branch, I'm afraid - I think that probably comes
> under the Midsomer Norton line. Sorry I can't help there!
>
> The answer to your second question is "no"! I've trawled through all the
> records that I extracted and marked off the ones I identified and there
> were
> a number that I could not slot in. I've not managed to find other
> supporting
> information as to where they belong, so it is still an area for further
> investigation.
>
> See you Sunday!
> Sharon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:catley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
> Behalf Of Tim Cattley
> Sent: 03 June 2009 23:45
> To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Catley/Cadley Anstey/Ansty
>
> Hi Sharon,
> Yes you are probably right by it being down to phonetic interpretation.
> I note that there are TWO Cadley villages in Wiltshire, one on the A346
> just a little way south of Marlborough and the other about another 7.5
> miles
> further down the 346 towards Tidworth.
>
> Have you got any Catley records for Pewsey, Wilts? Am looking for a
> Joseph b about 1799 who might have married a local girl and then moved
> into the London East End (Bow).
>
> Also: have you managed to identify all the persons you found from your
> Herts
> Records Office quest against the known Barley Barkway Anstey Catley Tree?
>
> There look to be some interesting additions that are not covered?
>
> Speak with you on this on Sunday?
>
> Regards
>
> Tim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sharon White" <frizzyfiona(a)ntlworld.com>
> To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 5:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Catley/Cadley Anstey/Ansty
>
>
>> Hi Tim,
>> No, I just think that the local dialect meant they softened the 't' and
>> being illiterate, when they gave their names at weddings, baptisms etc.,
>> it
>> was the way it was transcribed. You're right though, there is a place
>> named
>> Cadley in Wilts that I've been through and initially, before I knew of
>> the
>> Herts connection, I thought that might have had something to do with it!
>> Ansty in Wilts is where a lot of 'my' Catley/Cadley family were living,
>> as
>> well as the other branch being in Anstey, Herts. I did wonder whether
>> they
>> chose to live in Ansty because of any possible sentimentality to Herts!!
>> Sharon
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:catley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
>> Behalf Of Tim Cattley
>> Sent: 03 June 2009 10:50
>> To: catley @rootsweb
>> Subject: [CATLEY] Catley/Cadley Anstey/Ansty
>>
>> Hi Sharon and Janet,
>>
>> Re the branch of James Catley of Barley/Barkway/Anstey (Herts) that
>> moved
>> to Tisbury in Wilts:-
>>
>> Whilst trying to help dave&fran in nz re their possible London (Bow)
>> connection with Joseph Catley possibly from Pewsey in Wilts, I can not
>> but
>> help notice that there are two villages in that area both named Cadley.
>> (Also noted an Ansty as well!)
>>
>> Do you think that the 2 x existence of this local place name could be
>> the
>> reason as to why the Catley name got changed to Cadley?
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>> P.S.
>>
>> What have you got for Catleys in Pewsey, Wilts?
>>
>> Am sure that I have seen ref to some but can not now remember where?
>>
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Hi Tim
Pewsey's not part of my branch, I'm afraid - I think that probably comes
under the Midsomer Norton line. Sorry I can't help there!
The answer to your second question is "no"! I've trawled through all the
records that I extracted and marked off the ones I identified and there were
a number that I could not slot in. I've not managed to find other supporting
information as to where they belong, so it is still an area for further
investigation.
See you Sunday!
Sharon
-----Original Message-----
From: catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:catley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
Behalf Of Tim Cattley
Sent: 03 June 2009 23:45
To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Catley/Cadley Anstey/Ansty
Hi Sharon,
Yes you are probably right by it being down to phonetic interpretation.
I note that there are TWO Cadley villages in Wiltshire, one on the A346
just a little way south of Marlborough and the other about another 7.5 miles
further down the 346 towards Tidworth.
Have you got any Catley records for Pewsey, Wilts? Am looking for a
Joseph b about 1799 who might have married a local girl and then moved
into the London East End (Bow).
Also: have you managed to identify all the persons you found from your Herts
Records Office quest against the known Barley Barkway Anstey Catley Tree?
There look to be some interesting additions that are not covered?
Speak with you on this on Sunday?
Regards
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sharon White" <frizzyfiona(a)ntlworld.com>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Catley/Cadley Anstey/Ansty
> Hi Tim,
> No, I just think that the local dialect meant they softened the 't' and
> being illiterate, when they gave their names at weddings, baptisms etc.,
> it
> was the way it was transcribed. You're right though, there is a place
> named
> Cadley in Wilts that I've been through and initially, before I knew of the
> Herts connection, I thought that might have had something to do with it!
> Ansty in Wilts is where a lot of 'my' Catley/Cadley family were living, as
> well as the other branch being in Anstey, Herts. I did wonder whether they
> chose to live in Ansty because of any possible sentimentality to Herts!!
> Sharon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:catley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
> Behalf Of Tim Cattley
> Sent: 03 June 2009 10:50
> To: catley @rootsweb
> Subject: [CATLEY] Catley/Cadley Anstey/Ansty
>
> Hi Sharon and Janet,
>
> Re the branch of James Catley of Barley/Barkway/Anstey (Herts) that moved
> to Tisbury in Wilts:-
>
> Whilst trying to help dave&fran in nz re their possible London (Bow)
> connection with Joseph Catley possibly from Pewsey in Wilts, I can not but
> help notice that there are two villages in that area both named Cadley.
> (Also noted an Ansty as well!)
>
> Do you think that the 2 x existence of this local place name could be the
> reason as to why the Catley name got changed to Cadley?
>
> Tim
>
>
> P.S.
>
> What have you got for Catleys in Pewsey, Wilts?
>
> Am sure that I have seen ref to some but can not now remember where?
>
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Hi Sharon,
Yes you are probably right by it being down to phonetic interpretation.
I note that there are TWO Cadley villages in Wiltshire, one on the A346
just a little way south of Marlborough and the other about another 7.5 miles
further down the 346 towards Tidworth.
Have you got any Catley records for Pewsey, Wilts? Am looking for a
Joseph b about 1799 who might have married a local girl and then moved
into the London East End (Bow).
Also: have you managed to identify all the persons you found from your Herts
Records Office quest against the known Barley Barkway Anstey Catley Tree?
There look to be some interesting additions that are not covered?
Speak with you on this on Sunday?
Regards
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sharon White" <frizzyfiona(a)ntlworld.com>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Catley/Cadley Anstey/Ansty
> Hi Tim,
> No, I just think that the local dialect meant they softened the 't' and
> being illiterate, when they gave their names at weddings, baptisms etc.,
> it
> was the way it was transcribed. You're right though, there is a place
> named
> Cadley in Wilts that I've been through and initially, before I knew of the
> Herts connection, I thought that might have had something to do with it!
> Ansty in Wilts is where a lot of 'my' Catley/Cadley family were living, as
> well as the other branch being in Anstey, Herts. I did wonder whether they
> chose to live in Ansty because of any possible sentimentality to Herts!!
> Sharon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:catley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
> Behalf Of Tim Cattley
> Sent: 03 June 2009 10:50
> To: catley @rootsweb
> Subject: [CATLEY] Catley/Cadley Anstey/Ansty
>
> Hi Sharon and Janet,
>
> Re the branch of James Catley of Barley/Barkway/Anstey (Herts) that moved
> to Tisbury in Wilts:-
>
> Whilst trying to help dave&fran in nz re their possible London (Bow)
> connection with Joseph Catley possibly from Pewsey in Wilts, I can not but
> help notice that there are two villages in that area both named Cadley.
> (Also noted an Ansty as well!)
>
> Do you think that the 2 x existence of this local place name could be the
> reason as to why the Catley name got changed to Cadley?
>
> Tim
>
>
> P.S.
>
> What have you got for Catleys in Pewsey, Wilts?
>
> Am sure that I have seen ref to some but can not now remember where?
>
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Hi Sharon and Janet,
Re the branch of James Catley of Barley/Barkway/Anstey (Herts) that moved to Tisbury in Wilts:-
Whilst trying to help dave&fran in nz re their possible London (Bow) connection with Joseph Catley possibly from Pewsey in Wilts, I can not but help notice that there are two villages in that area both named Cadley. (Also noted an Ansty as well!)
Do you think that the 2 x existence of this local place name could be the reason as to why the Catley name got changed to Cadley?
Tim
P.S.
What have you got for Catleys in Pewsey, Wilts?
Am sure that I have seen ref to some but can not now remember where?
Hi Liz,
Just checking through my emails to see whats come in and found your message.
Unfortunatley I will not be able to make it. I have managed to track down my
wife's half brother finally in the last 2 weeks. My Mother in law last saw
him when he was 10 days old, at which point he was adopted. He's now 41!! He
is coming up to stay with us all this weekend and everyone is looking
forward to it.
Is there a website or copy of all this info that you guys have collected
together. You appear to have found loads of names etc.
Good luck with this weekend.
Ben
----- Original Message -----
From: "lizcordingley" <lizcordingley(a)blueyonder.co.uk>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Enquiry from Anthony and Bernard Catley in Perth WA
> Hi Ben,
> I did find a Thomas that could have been the same one that Bernie is
> looking
> for. He is from the Somerset tree which also relates to yours. I will see
> if
> I can find what I did with it.
> Did you get the message about the Catley get together on 7th June at
> Oxford.
> Liz
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ben & Sally Doughty" <bensallydoughty(a)btinternet.com>
> To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 8:27 AM
> Subject: [CATLEY] Enquiry from Anthony and Bernard Catley in Perth WA
>
>
>> Hi All on Rootsweb,
>>
>> I have re subscribed to rootsweb with a different email address as my
>> Laptop is slowly dying and takes forever to do anything. My Catley's had
>> the India Connection going back Via Edith Catley and her father Thomas
>> Pratt Catley and her Parents Thomas Pratt and Charlotte Bunyan.
>>
>>
>>
>> Moving on has anybody had or made any contact with Bernard Catley in
>> Perth?
>>
>> I have received via Genesreunited the following info can anybody make a
>> connection?
>>
>>
>>
>> Helllo i am looking for anyone missing are Thomas of Thomas was done for
>> shoplifting and sentenced to 10 years in the lucky country. He arrived on
>> the Bengal Merchant 3 in 1838.
>> He settled in Bathurst, recieved his ticket of leave No 43/1937 and has a
>> certificate of freedom No 48/0012 dated 5/1/1848.
>> Thomas was of stocky build and was 5'4 1/2". Complection was ruddy and
>> freckled, brown hair and brown eyes. He was single aged 19 of Prodestent
>> upbringing and he could read and write. His native place of birth was
>> Somerset Shire. Tried at Somerset (Bath) Quarter Session 26/10/1837. He
>> had previous convictions of 9 months, whipping and 1 week. Thomas' father
>> is from England and his name was Thomas - this is all we know of him at
>> this time. Bernard Catley in Perth WA.at catley(a)tadaust.org.au
>>
>> His chart has
>>
>> Thomas Catley c.b1793
>>
>> followed by son
>>
>> Thomas b.1818 Midsomers Norton - England died 8 AUG 1901 Parramatta
>> Hospital - N.S.W Married Janet Anderson b.1820
>>
>> Thomas info from the chart quotes Thomas was done for shoplifting and
>> sentenced to 10 years in the lucky country. He arrived on the Bengal
>> Merchant 3 in 1838. He settled in Bathurst, recieved his ticket of leave
>> No 43/1937 and has a certificate of freedom No 48/0012 dated 5/1/1848.
>> Thomas was of stocky build and was 5'4 1/2". Complection was ruddy and
>> freckled, brown hair and brown eyes. He was single aged 19 of Prodestent
>> upbringing and he could read and write. His native place of birth was
>> Somerset Shire. Tried at Somerset (Bath) Quarter Session 26/10/1837. He
>> had previous convictions of 9 months, whipping and 1 week. Thomas' father
>> is from England and his name was Thomas - this is all we know of him at
>> this time. (30/5/2005) - Authors of this information are Anthony and
>> Bernard Catley in Perth WA.
>>
>> They had the following children all born NSW
>>
>> Thomas Catley
>> 1841
>>
>> Isabella Catley
>> 1843-1915
>>
>>
>> Mary Catley
>> 1846-1896
>>
>> Eleanor Catley
>> 1847-1906
>>
>>
>> George Catley
>> 1849-1921
>>
>>
>> Hope this helps make another link.
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Ben Doughty
>>
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Hi All:
I will be thinking about you all and wishing I was there. Have a glass (or 2) of wine for me and don't fotget the Somerset/Welsh Catleys.
Hope you all have fin
Best regards
Glynis
Hi there,
I am just off to the meeting at the Trout leaving W. Australia early
tomorrow morning so am madly packing. I have just had a letter from
a Mrs Jan Prendergast, who is not online, but which reads :
"My great-grandmother was Isabella CATTLEY who was the 2nd wife of
George GOULDING/GOULDEN. Her parents were Joseph and Ann CATTLEY (nee LAMB).
They lived in the Western District of Victoria, Clear
Lake/Horsham. Isabelle was born in Essex, England.
I have found her birth in Chris Newell's
database. http://www.rebus.demon.co.uk/catleydb/1850-74.htm
Jan has now phoned me and said if anyone saw a connection she would
love to hear from the. Her phone number is (61) (08) 9842 5867
Back to the packing.
See some of you on Sunday.
Erica Hills
Contact address while I am away : erica.hills1102(a)gmail.com
Special UK Mobile : 44 7924468314 (don't yet know if 0792... will
work, but the cost is as for a UK mobile.)
Hi All,
Erica infers that Isabella's birth is to be found in the Catley Database
section 1850-1874 and that the surname was Cattley.
I think this is infact Isabel Catley birth Reg 16/11/1840 in Bow, London,
father Joseph Catley and mother Ann nee Lamb.
Can not connect Joseph to any other Catley's nor do I have a record of his
marriage to Ann. Nor do I have any record of any siblings.
There is obviously an Australia immigration here that I have not picked up
on.
Has anybody got any further information?
Regards
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Erica Hills" <erica(a)hillsperth.com>
To: <daveandfran(a)goulden.gen.nz>
Cc: <CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 9:34 AM
Subject: [CATLEY] CATTLEY
> Hi there,
>
> I am just off to the meeting at the Trout leaving W. Australia early
> tomorrow morning so am madly packing. I have just had a letter from
> a Mrs Jan Prendergast, who is not online, but which reads :
>
> "My great-grandmother was Isabella CATTLEY who was the 2nd wife of
> George GOULDING/GOULDEN. Her parents were Joseph and Ann CATTLEY (nee
> LAMB).
> They lived in the Western District of Victoria, Clear
> Lake/Horsham. Isabelle was born in Essex, England.
>
> I have found her birth in Chris Newell's
> database. http://www.rebus.demon.co.uk/catleydb/1850-74.htm
>
> Jan has now phoned me and said if anyone saw a connection she would
> love to hear from the. Her phone number is (61) (08) 9842 5867
>
> Back to the packing.
>
> See some of you on Sunday.
>
> Erica Hills
> Contact address while I am away : erica.hills1102(a)gmail.com
> Special UK Mobile : 44 7924468314 (don't yet know if 0792... will
> work, but the cost is as for a UK mobile.)
>
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Hi Tim,
What time are we meeting on the Sunday? We are staying not to far away on the Saturday night. Unless I can find a internet connection I will not be in communication as frrom tomorrow morning, so looking forward to seeing everybody.
Elaine
--- On Sun, 31/5/09, Tim Cattley <communicat(a)mypostoffice.co.uk> wrote:
From: Tim Cattley <communicat(a)mypostoffice.co.uk>
Subject: [CATLEY] Sunday 7th June
To: "catley @rootsweb" <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Sunday, 31 May, 2009, 11:32 PM
Returned ex hols to find a couple of e-mails querying as to if the Catley Rootsweb Listers meeting at the Trout Inn at Lower Wolvecote, Nr Oxford is still on?
The answer of course, is yes!
Liz: are you bringing Ambers laptop again?
Tim
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