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Tim:
There is a George William Catley from St Marys, Scarborough, whose documents are among "selected service records" from the Royal Hospital available for download at the National Archives. He is probably the fellow you are thinking of. (The majority of Chelsea pensioners did not live at the institution in Chelsea,)
With regard to Robert William Cattley, anyone familiar with naval and military records will know that boys frequently lied about their age when enlisting so you may be relying too strongly on your calculation of the birth date. Hopefully one of the listers you mention will look at the many pages on Ancestry and try to make sense of them. To my eyes the single sheet about the Connaught Rangers in the Burnt Series did not fit well with the rest. However there are further documents under Pensions Records that tell a more coherent story. They show he joined the Liverpool Regiment in 1889 for 7 years plus 5 in the reserve. He was recalled from the reserve to the Liverpool Regiment (in 1899?) and transferred to the Connaught Rangers in 1902. He remained with them until transferred to the Employment Company Cork in 1917. Later in the war he seems to be drawing pension while still serving (letter from Royal Chelsea Hospital to the Labour Corps). There are references along the way to!
service in Bermuda, Halifax Nova Scotia, Barbados, Malta and in the South African Campaign. When finally discharged 17 April 1920 he had served a total of 30 years 291 days. The MOP set mentions only the wife and son Robert. The other names are from a sheet in the Burnt Series. It is clear that his wife lived with the Corps and I wonder if the other kids were born in Ireland? One paper refers to his father Thos Catley resident in Lewisham, Kent. Does that help or merely confuse you further? Certainly the most intriguing military history I have looked at so you just have to nail him to a tree!
Anthony
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From: catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com on behalf of Tim Cattley
Sent: Sat 03-10-2009 00:23
To: catley(a)rootsweb.com 1902.
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Private Robert William Cattley
Evening Anthony,
Most helpful indeed; thank's. Your info proves I think, that this Robert
William is nothing to do with that of the Willian of Kirton tree but as
always, opens up more questions when previous ones are answered!
>From your data, it looks as if the Robert William in question was born about
1866 but I have failed to find a Robert William Cattleys birth for that year
or each year either side of it. There is a Robert Cattley for 1866 and
although the location was Malton (and thus not that far from Scarborough) he
is known to belong to the Normanton tree and not the Robert I seek.
I recall ref's to a Chelsea Pensioner Cattley from Scarborough and think you
are right in that it was Robert Wm.
Can see a ref to the birth of a very predictable Robert Watson Cattley, 3/4
1899 Scarborough but can not identify Mary/Thomas/Ada from my GRO lists.
The Service Records for one Robert William seem to bounce about a bit in a
pot mess but the ref you have located re Connaught Rangers must surely
indicate he is one and the same person I seek.
There are few Listers who are interested in Yorkshire Cat*leys, only Erica.
Liz. Kay. Peter & self that I know of.
Think that this Robert William is part of an as yet, unresolved tree.
Liz may have something on R.W.C. ............. Liz??
Cheers
Tim
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From: "Anthony M. Carter" <ACarter(a)health.sdu.dk>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>; "catley @rootsweb" <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Private Robert William Cattley
> Tim: There are Service Records for a Robert William Cattley born
> Scarborough serving with the The King's Liverpool and East Kent Regiments
> who seems to have enlisted for 7 or 12 years 1 July 1884 aged 18,
> extended his service to complete 21 years 1 November 1900 and was still
> serving as lance sergeant (with the Labour Corps?) on an extended
> engagement in a memo dated 13 September 1918. He had served in Bermuda and
> in the South African War. In one document from 30 June 1910 he is with the
> Connaught Rangers. There is a marriage to Jane Watson at Scarborough 9
> August 1897 and kids Robert, Mary, Thomas and Ada. Possibly he was a
> Chelsea Pensioner. Does any of this fit? It looks a right mess to me.
> Perhaps someone with closer knowledge of the family should check if this
> is one person or several! Anthony
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com on behalf of Tim Cattley
> Sent: Fri 02-10-2009 16:23
> To: catley @rootsweb
> Subject: [CATLEY] Private Robert William Cattley
>
>
>
> Liz + John :
>
> On your William Catley of Kirton tree, you have a Robert William b 3/4
> 1873 Scarborough reg dist, son of Thomas Newmarsh & Charlotte Gibson.
>
> WW1 ...........1914-1918 ....... The Irish Regiment, The Connact Rangers
> had a Private Robert William Cattley, age 40 in the 3rd Btn I think.
>
> Your Robert would look to fit age-wise but there is an obvious name
> spelling difference.
>
> Do you know if your R.W.C was in the Connact Rangers?
>
> Tim
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Tim: There are Service Records for a Robert William Cattley born Scarborough serving with the The King's Liverpool and East Kent Regiments who seems to have enlisted for 7 or 12 years 1 July 1884 aged 18, extended his service to complete 21 years 1 November 1900 and was still serving as lance sergeant (with the Labour Corps?) on an extended engagement in a memo dated 13 September 1918. He had served in Bermuda and in the South African War. In one document from 30 June 1910 he is with the Connaught Rangers. There is a marriage to Jane Watson at Scarborough 9 August 1897 and kids Robert, Mary, Thomas and Ada. Possibly he was a Chelsea Pensioner. Does any of this fit? It looks a right mess to me. Perhaps someone with closer knowledge of the family should check if this is one person or several! Anthony
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From: catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com on behalf of Tim Cattley
Sent: Fri 02-10-2009 16:23
To: catley @rootsweb
Subject: [CATLEY] Private Robert William Cattley
Liz + John :
On your William Catley of Kirton tree, you have a Robert William b 3/4 1873 Scarborough reg dist, son of Thomas Newmarsh & Charlotte Gibson.
WW1 ...........1914-1918 ....... The Irish Regiment, The Connact Rangers had a Private Robert William Cattley, age 40 in the 3rd Btn I think.
Your Robert would look to fit age-wise but there is an obvious name spelling difference.
Do you know if your R.W.C was in the Connact Rangers?
Tim
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Hi,
He was indeed at Cambridge in 1841 as Anthony suggests. The Alumni
information says :
Adm. pens. at TRINITY, Feb. 6, 1840. ' Matric. Michs. 1840. Perhaps
brother of William E. (1837).
So it is the one we know about and he was indeed a brother of Wm.
E. It is important to remember that the 1841 census takers were
instructed to round age by 5 years, which explains why his brother
William is shown as aged 20 and Henry G. as 15. We now need to
find a birth for another Henry G. and I will try to do that tomorrow
unless there is a courier failure and we have are required to collect
medication and meet our son in law halfway on the 3.5 hour drive
which separates us.
As ever... Erica
At 03:31 PM 2/10/2009, you wrote:
>In 1841 Henry Griffin Cattley 15 was an undergraduate at Trinity College
>Cambridge. I have not found him in 1851. Anthony
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:catley-bounces@rootsweb.com]
>On Behalf Of Tim Cattley
>Sent: 2. oktober 2009 00:53
>To: catley @rootsweb
>Subject: [CATLEY] Henry Griffin Cattley
>
>Erica et all,
>
>There is only one Henry Griffin Cattley that I know about and he was a
>member of the Stevan Catlay of Normanton tree, the youngest son of
>William Cattley of Barnet (of Cattleya orchid fame) who was b 1821
>either Barnet or London and d 1897 Kensington.
>
>His death is recorded in the GRO as 1/4 1897 Kensington age 76 which
>fits with his year of birth being 1821. All well and good.
>
>However, there is a GRO death record for another Henry Griffin Cattley
>2/4 1849 St Pancras which I can not identify. Given the uniqueness of
>the name sequence, I suspect an error and Ancestry is not helpful here.
>
>Maybe the 1841 Census shows two Henry Griffin's?
>
>Can you investigate?
>
>Cheers
>
>Tim
>
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William Cattley married Hannah Garrett at Islington in 1815 and had three
children that we know of :-
1) Mary Ann b1817
2) William Esdaile b1819
3) Henry Griffin b1821
Thus plenty of room for infant mortalities between marriage and Henry
Griffin in 1821.
However the 1841 census record must relate to him, so if there was "other
Henry Griffin" (shown as died 2/4 1849) then presumably he must have been
born sometime after the '41 census month and before April 1849?
Tim
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From: "Anthony M. Carter" <ACarter(a)health.sdu.dk>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 8:22 AM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Henry Griffin Cattley
> Henry Griffin Cattley baptized 26 June 1821 at St George Bloomsbury son
> of William (Merchant) and Hannah address Lambs Conduit Street. He would
> have been 28 in 1849 so could there have been a firstborn who died an
> infant death and thus is not found on the census? Anthony
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:catley-bounces@rootsweb.com]
> On Behalf Of Tim Cattley
> Sent: 2. oktober 2009 00:53
> To: catley @rootsweb
> Subject: [CATLEY] Henry Griffin Cattley
>
> Erica et all,
>
> There is only one Henry Griffin Cattley that I know about and he was a
> member of the Stevan Catlay of Normanton tree, the youngest son of
> William Cattley of Barnet (of Cattleya orchid fame) who was b 1821
> either Barnet or London and d 1897 Kensington.
>
> His death is recorded in the GRO as 1/4 1897 Kensington age 76 which
> fits with his year of birth being 1821. All well and good.
>
> However, there is a GRO death record for another Henry Griffin Cattley
> 2/4 1849 St Pancras which I can not identify. Given the uniqueness of
> the name sequence, I suspect an error and Ancestry is not helpful here.
>
> Maybe the 1841 Census shows two Henry Griffin's?
>
> Can you investigate?
>
> Cheers
>
> Tim
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Liz + John :
On your William Catley of Kirton tree, you have a Robert William b 3/4 1873 Scarborough reg dist, son of Thomas Newmarsh & Charlotte Gibson.
WW1 ...........1914-1918 ....... The Irish Regiment, The Connact Rangers had a Private Robert William Cattley, age 40 in the 3rd Btn I think.
Your Robert would look to fit age-wise but there is an obvious name spelling difference.
Do you know if your R.W.C was in the Connact Rangers?
Tim
In 1841 Henry Griffin Cattley 15 was an undergraduate at Trinity College
Cambridge. I have not found him in 1851. Anthony
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On Behalf Of Tim Cattley
Sent: 2. oktober 2009 00:53
To: catley @rootsweb
Subject: [CATLEY] Henry Griffin Cattley
Erica et all,
There is only one Henry Griffin Cattley that I know about and he was a
member of the Stevan Catlay of Normanton tree, the youngest son of
William Cattley of Barnet (of Cattleya orchid fame) who was b 1821
either Barnet or London and d 1897 Kensington.
His death is recorded in the GRO as 1/4 1897 Kensington age 76 which
fits with his year of birth being 1821. All well and good.
However, there is a GRO death record for another Henry Griffin Cattley
2/4 1849 St Pancras which I can not identify. Given the uniqueness of
the name sequence, I suspect an error and Ancestry is not helpful here.
Maybe the 1841 Census shows two Henry Griffin's?
Can you investigate?
Cheers
Tim
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Erica et all,
There is only one Henry Griffin Cattley that I know about and he was a member of the Stevan Catlay of Normanton tree, the youngest son of William Cattley of Barnet (of Cattleya orchid fame) who was b 1821 either Barnet or London and d 1897 Kensington.
His death is recorded in the GRO as 1/4 1897 Kensington age 76 which fits with his year of birth being 1821. All well and good.
However, there is a GRO death record for another Henry Griffin Cattley 2/4 1849 St Pancras which I can not identify. Given the uniqueness of the name sequence, I suspect an error and Ancestry is not helpful here.
Maybe the 1841 Census shows two Henry Griffin's?
Can you investigate?
Cheers
Tim
Hi Janet,
Re previous correspondence concerning the Cat*leys at Parry Sound, Ontario
:-
Any afterthoughts? We had a nil return from the Listers following your
update as to the children of William Cat(t)ley who married Selina Bell at
Parry Sound 11/04/1888 who was the son of James and Mary Cat*ley ; William
being born in England.
Like you, I can not identify Williams birth here in the UK from any records
1860-1870 and am at a loss as to where he came from.
If he was from Melbourn.... Cambridgeshire as you suggest as a possible...
he does not seem to feature on Lynda's Melbourn Catley tree.
There is (was) an illig't William on the James of Barley tree (only a few
miles away from Melbourn) where the mother is recorded as Mary but no father
indicated which could be a possible but no more than that.
Noted : that the union of William & Selina produced nine children between
1889 and 1907 of which three were sons, have you done any followup searches
here?....... are there more Cat*ley generations by way of son marriages?
Interested
Tim
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From: "Janet Newman" <bjnewman70(a)hotmail.com>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Canadian Cattley marriages
>
> Hi Tim,
>
> I have done some surfing for your William Catley in Canadian sites. He is
> reported as being 26 in 1888 at his marriage (b.1862)
>
> Then in the 1901 census he says he is 42 (b.Mar. 13, 1869). Then in the
> 1911 census he is 51 (b. 1860) He and Selina had 6 children by 1901 and
> added 3 more by 1911. These birth discrepancies make it difficult to pin
> him down to a family in England. The only James and Mary Catley in the
> FreeBMD is for James Catley and Mary Thompson in Melbourn, Cambridge. The
> census has some creative spelling for the surname (1901 - Cattely) so I
> don't worry about spelling changes.
>
>
>
> His children are Bert, b. Dec. 17, 1889/ Anna b. Sept. 10, 1891/ Mary b.
> Mar. 9, 1893/ Nellie b. Mar. 1, 1896/ John b. Dec. 7, 1898/
>
> Nora b. Dec. 6, 1900/ Vera Rose b. Dec. 1902/ Lena b. Mr. 1905/ Roy b.
> Oct. 1907.
>
> Maybe some lister will recognize one of the children and be able to place
> the line in England.
>
> Janet
>
>> From: communicat(a)mypostoffice.co.uk
>> To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
>> Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 23:51:06 +0100
>> Subject: [CATLEY] Canadian Cattley marriages
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Does anybody have a grasp on Canadian Cattley marriages?
>>
>> Have found one for Parry Sound 1888 and I can not identify the tree
>>
>> William Cattley age 26, Farmer, (born UK presumably as he is described
>> as) English. Son of James & Mary Cattley
>>
>> married
>>
>> Selina Bell, daughter of Gideon and Selina Bell of Parry Sound.
>>
>> I know of a Catley/Bell marriage which took place in North Muskham
>> Nottinghamshire, 1845 but not a Canadian Cattley/Bell one in 1888.
>>
>> Tim
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