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Hi All,
On the 41 census Edward and Elizabeth Fox have living with them James b 1816
Anstey, Sarah, and Ann. On later census his birth is 1813. So my question is
Did James c 4/11/1814 die 1815 or did they have another James in 1816.
Anyway this is the James that married Hannah Kemp b Clavering Essex. They
married 1846 Saffron Walden.
Liz
Hi Tim
Interesting you should say there appears to be extracts missing.
When I came to England last I spent some time in the Suffolk records office,
thinking initially we came from Bury St Edmunds/Cambridge area.
The three Lettis/Ann/John bapts. were all copied from records in Cambridge
and that is all I could find for Joseph and Elizabeth.
The research assistant told me that at some stage Royston records were
changed from Cambridgeshire to Herfordshire!!!
Is this possible and does anyone know when?
I am still waiting for my Herts records to arrive but 8 children over 17
years is highly likely.
Thanks
Allan Catley.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Cattley" <timjhcat(a)tiscali.co.uk>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 6:55 AM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Clavering Catley's
Hi Allan,
My IGI printouts (ex fische) for Herts give very little info for Royston, to
the point where I am wondering if the person who did the extracts missed
some sheets out but having said that, the name sequences run in correct
order of alphabet.
I can not see Joseph + Elizabeths m for 1771 nor the three children
Lettis/Ann/John (1772-1775) but interestingly, what does show up are the
following christening dates and in each case the parents are listed as:-
Catley......Joseph and Elizabeth
Robert C 25Dec 1777
James C 2Feb 1781
Mary C 6Dec 1782
Joseph C 19Nov 1784
Elizabeth C 7Aug 1789
Obviously there could have been more that one Joseph+Elizabeth Catley in
Royston at this time, however I see a "run" of eight Catley children
covering a 17 year span and I just wonder if they are all one family?
Just a thought
Regards
Timcatt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Allan" <catley(a)usurf.co.nz>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Clavering Catley's
Hi Liz
Looking for Joseph Catley married Elizabeth Crane 30/9/1771 in Royston.
He is noted on the PR as a sojourner to this parish and his name is spelt
Catle.
3 children
Lettis bapt. 25/12/1775
Ann bapt. 22/3/1772
John bapt. 6/3/1774
Bapt cert all spell his name Catley.
My problem is I do not know where he was born and where to start looking.
Regards
Allan Catley
----- Original Message -----
From: "liz cordingley" <lizcordingley(a)blueyonder.co.uk>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 3:30 AM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Clavering Catley's
Allan,
Who are you looking for. Only whilst I'm doing the Barley etc lot I am also
trying to do the Sawston/Cam. lot.
Liz
-------Original Message-------
From: catley(a)rootsweb.com
Date: 11/28/07 18:16:35
To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Clavering Catley's
Hi Sharon
I would appreciate it if you could send me the list. I am still trying to
find a birth record of one of my Sawston Catleys who was married in Royston.
Thank you
Allan Catley
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sharon White" <frizzyfiona(a)ntlworld.com>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 4:13 AM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Clavering Catley's
Hi Tim
This is exactly my problem - who is the other Charles? I seem to be going
round in circles! I've had a quick search of FreeBMD just to see what they
might have listed so far, and there is a death of a Charles Cattley Dec Qtr
1859 Royston (no age given), then another Charles Cattley Jun Qtr 1871
Royston age 47 (b.1824)and another Charles Cattley Dec Qtr 1888 Royston age
67 (b.1821). None of them were listed with a single 't' spelling.
I did also contact the Hertfordshire Record Office with a view to purchasing
the Parish Registers on fiche, but they have converted theirs onto microfilm
at a cost of £36 each!!! I think I just might have to give that one a miss
at the moment! I have got a complete list though of everything they hold to
do with the Church of England Parish Registers which I can forward on to
anyone who would like to see it.
Question for Liz - Charles Catley b.1814 who married Arundell b.1811 - what
was her maiden name please? Thanks!
Sharon
-----Original Message-----
From: catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:catley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
Behalf Of Tim Cattley
Sent: 26 November 2007 22:48
To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Clavering Catley's
Don't worry about it Sharon I make more mistakes than anybody on the List!
I already have microfiche copies of three pages of IGI for Herts and they
have not been that helpful.
Here are all the Charles' shown
Catley Charles Mary Newman H. M. 30Jul1738 Barkway
Catley Charles Charles Catley M. C. 09May1745 Barkway
Catley Charles Newman Catley/Jemima M.C. 10Mar1776 Barkway
Catley Charles Geo Cattley/Elizh M.C. 29Apr1781 Barkway
Catley Charles Hannah Roberts H.M. 20Nov1783 Little Hormead
Catley Charles Mary Wythe H.M. 14Dec1799 Throcking
Catley Charles Geo Catley/Mary Ann M.C. 13Nov1808 Barkway
Catley Charles Joseph Catley/Elizabeth M.C. 25Sep1814 Anstey
Catley Charles James Catley/Sarah M.C. 27Jul1823 Anstey
Catley Charles Samuell Catley/Elizabeth M.C. 18Apr1854 Anstey
H.M.= Husband. Marriage
M.C.= Male. Christening.
I dont think that the discovery of a Charles m Eliz Tolfts does anything to
upset the m details of Charles m Susan Bentley, although there is nothing
for m under Charles in IGI, if you familysearch.org Susan Bentley it gives m
to Charles as 1849 and that she died in 1864 which rather confirms the work
done by the Vicar of Anstey so I think we have to believe that there was a
Charles Catley m to a Susan Bentley.
To my mind, what does throw everything into confusion is the reality of the
1851 Census which shows two Charles' both aged 28 living next door to
eachother as I explained in my email to Elaine. The guy with Susan as wife
has surely just got to be Charles and Susan nee Bentley. If thatis proved
to be the case, then who on earth is (was) the Charles next door at No 65?!
Do you think we will resolve this before May 2008!!!
All best
Timcatt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sharon White" <frizzyfiona(a)ntlworld.com>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Clavering Catley's
> Hi Tim
> You're right - I had a 'funny 5 minutes' when I typed this e mail in!
Blame
> it on lack of sleep - I've had an ill child keeping me up for the past few
> nights! Sorry for any confusion, but yes, James (b.1814) was the son of
> Edward and Elizabeth nee Fox, as you rightly state.
> I'm going to order some of the fiches for the Hertfordshire records to try
> to clear some of the queries up. I have searched through everything I have
> over the weekend and it has all pointed to James b.1814 dying in 1815.
> However, what I am wondering is quite often, if a child dies, another one
is
> given the same name and if this James died in the early part of 1815,
> perhaps shortly afterwards another James was born in the same year. I
really
> need to get hold of the parish records fiches to try to solve some
> mysteries! I thought it was a real breakthrough though discovering the
> Clavering link.
> I am having a real headache with the Charles Catley problem though. Having
> discovered the marriage of Charles Catley to Elizabeth Tolfts recently, it
> has thrown into disarray the marriages of Charles Catley to Susan Bentley
> and Mary Chap(p)el. Like you, I don't think the one Charles married three
> times, but I also haven't found a marriage from the earlier Catley
> generation of Charles Catley to Sarah (as far as I can tell!).
> I will keep on searching though and exploring all avenues to try to solve
> this one - I do like a challenge!! I'll keep you updated on everything I
> find out.
> Thanks for all your help and support though Tim!
> Sharon
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:catley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
> Behalf Of Tim Cattley
> Sent: 25 November 2007 23:23
> To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Clavering Catley's
>
> Hi Sharon/Liz
>
> Like Liz, I have a note here to indicate that Martha was b 1870 Wendon
> whereas all the other siblings were b Clavering.
>
> Sharon. I think you may have dropped a generation from what you say. The
> James b 1814 who m Hannah aka Ann Chipperfield was the son of Edward b
1781
> who m Elizabeth Fox in 1813.
> It was James' grandfather who was Edward b 1746 who m Martha Lilly.
>
> The original suggestion that James died in 1815 comes from Candis
> Cattley-Sanders who did the first main research on the Anstey Cat*leys so
> your information that he founded the Clavering branch and did not die
until
> 1893 in Saffron Waldon is interesting news indeed.
>
> Candis' work has formed the core of my own data and from what I have
> discovered since obtaining it from her in 2003, is that it looks to be
> pretty solid with regard to the "main Anstey" pedigree but she has not
> looked to expand out from there and there could be errors/omissions on the
> perimeters, as it were.
>
> Have any of you resolved "The Charles Catley problem" yet?
>
> Timcatt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "liz cordingley" <lizcordingley(a)blueyonder.co.uk>
> To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 12:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Clavering Catley's
>
>
> > Hi Sharon,
> > You have got the right family. This tree does belong to the Anstey lot.
> > Talk soon
> > Liz
> >
> > -------Original Message-------
> >
> > From: catley(a)rootsweb.com
> > Date: 11/21/07 23:34:23
> > To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
> > Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Clavering Catley's
> >
> > Hi Liz
> > I can finally reply to this message of yours as I have today discovered
> some
> > information on this which needs to be checked out further before I add
it
> to
> > the Family Tree Maker database for Herts etc. Catley's!
> >
> > The Clavering connection could come from James Catley b.1814 the son of
> > Edward b.1746 Barkway who married Martha Lilly. I have been given
> > information to suggest that this James, who according to my records died
> in
> > 1815, in fact died in 1893 in Saffron Walden, Essex and married Hannah
aka
> > Ann nee Chipperfield. They had six children, as you have shown, all born
> in
> > Clavering, Essex, although you've got Martha born in Wendon. I haven't
yet
> > checked the births out in any detail. The children were:
> >
> > Eliza b. 1847
> > George b. 1849
> > John b. 1852
> > Mary Ann b. 1859
> > Elizabeth A b. 1864
> > Martha b. 1870
> >
> > Hope this helps a bit Liz, and I will let you know when I've looked into
> > this further.
> > Best wishes,
> > Sharon
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:catley-bounces@rootsweb.com]
On
> > Behalf Of liz cordingley
> > Sent: 12 October 2007 16:00
> > To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
> > Subject: [CATLEY] Clavering Catley's
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Is there anyone who has Catley's that came from Clavering in their tree.
I
> > am looking for James and Hannah
> >
> > children
> >
> > Eliza b 1848
> >
> > George b 1849
> >
> > John b 1849
> >
> > Mary Ann b 1859
> >
> > Elizabeth A b 1864
> >
> > Martha b 1870 Wendon
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Liz
> >
> >
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Dear oh dear, must be getting near lunchtime...
It should read 1780 .... not 1708!
David Meredith
Nottingham
> Simple, enter 'Joseph' for Father, 'Elizabeth' for Mother elect for the year
> to be 1708 with a '20' year spread and hit 'Search'...up pops the previous
> known 'Catley-Cattley' entries together with the '3' missing 'Cattle' entries.
IGI revisited.
As everyone will be aware you can access the IGI directly online via the LDS
Familysearch website.
There is also a useful back-door method via Hugh Wallis's IGI Batch Numbers.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/Count...
This will take you to the 'England IGI Batch Numbers' listings for the Counties.
Hitting 'Hereford' opens up a fresh webpage giving direct access to all the
batch numbers pertaining to those parishes (including nonconformist
institutions) for which entries have been extracted.
The listed information covers 'baptisms' and 'marriages' together with the range
of years covered.
Take note that :
a) Whilst a batch number may purport to cover a period such as '1538 to 1800',
no account is taken for illegible entries, or indeed missing or damaged pages -
i.e. there could be gaps!
b) The source may relate to the actual Parish Registers or the Bishiops'
Transcripts. If only one source has been accessed for the IGI, referring to the
other may produce 'missing entries'. Check the film number relating to the batch
number for the source used.
c) It is the case that errors can occur at source between an entry appearing in
a Parish Register and the corresponding entry in the Bishops' Transcripts.
d) Some of the IGI entries are LSD Member Private Submissions - I think Batch
Numbers beginning with 'P' or 'E' might relate to this - beware of these re
possible accuracy issues.
Getting back to 'Royston' you will find references for Royston in Herts, Cambs
(non-conformist records) and Yorks.
For a test run try the first batch number for baptisms at Royston, viz: C072811
(covering 1662 - 1851) this brings up a further window displaying the chosen
batch number and a box for you to enter your surname of interest.
Enter Catley and 'Submit Query'.
Your are now taken to the familiar LDS online IGI search webpage with the
results of your search, in this case a straight set of 10 entries for 'Catleys'
with no mention of 'Cattles'.
Prior knowledge alerts you to the possibility of further entries for 'Joseph and
Elizabeth Catley'.
What you need to do now is to utilise the Royston batch number C072811 for
additional searching.
There are two ways to do this.
The first is simply to 'hit' any of the existing Catley matches that were
returned on the IGI webpage, so if you now select the first 'Robert Cattley'
this will open up his IGI Individual Record page.
The bit we are interested in is the Source Information box at the bottom.
Note: hitting the Source Call No. reveals the source - i.e. P'sh Reg's or
Bishops' Trans' etc.
Hitting the Batch No. takes you back to an almost blank IGI search page. But
note, the batch number of interest appears in the Batch Number Box and hopefully
the Region Box is displaying 'British Isles', if it isn't select it now.
Now we can play.
Question is.. are there further references for 'Joseph and Elizabeth' Catley's
issue at Royston - possibly hiding due to a variation in the surname.
Simple, enter 'Joseph' for Father, 'Elizabeth' for Mother elect for the year
to be 1708 with a '20' year spread and hit 'Search'...up pops the previous known
'Catley-Cattley' entries together with the '3' missing 'Cattle' entries.
You can now play with the search parameters - one tip, if you think a baptism is
likely to have taken place at a specific location and apparently the IGI hasn't
got it recorded - aside from the obvious task of checking to see what records
may or may not have been extracted for the parish in question, if it turns out
that on paper the IGI does cover the period you are interested in, use the Batch
Number to scroll through individual years to see if any other entries appear for
other surnames - if you get a run of nil returns, then this may indicate the
source is incomplete.
Okay, so now you know that 3 Catleys appeared in Royston under the guise of
'Cattle'. Is this the only example. Try the following IGI search for the whole
of Herts using 'Cattle' as the surname.
This returned 17 'matches' in the form of 'Cattle' 'Catel' and 'Cattel' - the
Royston bod's are there but I wonder if anybody else listed might have been a
Catley?
I mentioned that there were two ways of utilising the 'Batch Numbers'.
The first outlined above is to access the Batch Numbers and the online IGI
search pages from within Hugh Wallis's website.
Alternatively of course, you can note any Batch Numbers of interest using his
site and then go directly to the LDS site yourself where you can enter the Batch
Numbers manually.
Final thoughts.... Remember, searching for issue at a particular parish with
just 'father and mother' details is fine, but what if 'father' was married more
than once. Also, it would be the first time that the given name of a 'father'
or 'mother' was recorded incorrectly.
Happy searching....
David Meredith
Nottingham
Ah ha David,
So, the person who extracted the paper copy IGI's that I have, neglected the
Cattle entries.
Let that be a lesson for us all.
So it looks as if you are in luck here Allan.
Dave, would you be so kind as to let me know your access procedure on line,
to be able zero in quite so accurately because it looks to me as if I can
operate your method, it could save me a trip to Lichfield IGI Centre and
getting old microfiche films photocopied?
Best wishes
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Meredith-Fam-Hist" <meredith_meredith(a)ntlworld.com>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 10:02 AM
Subject: [CATLEY] Royston IGI Catleys
> Tim wrote...
>
> My IGI printouts (ex fische) for Herts give very little info for Royston,
to
> the point where I am wondering if the person who did the extracts missed
> some sheets out but having said that, the name sequences run in correct
> order of alphabet.
>
> I can not see Joseph + Elizabeths m for 1771 nor the three children
> Lettis/Ann/John (1772-1775) but interestingly, what does show up are the
> following christening dates and in each case the parents are listed as:-
> Catley......Joseph and Elizabeth
>
> Robert C 25Dec 1777
> James C 2Feb 1781
> Mary C 6Dec 1782
> Joseph C 19Nov 1784
> Elizabeth C 7Aug 1789
>
> HRT Royston - IGI Batch No. C072811 (1662 - 1851)
>
> Parents: 'Joseph & Elizabeth'
>
> 1772 Mar 22 : Cattle Ann
> 1774 Mar 06 : Cattle John
> 1775 Dec 25 : Cattle Lettis
> 1777 Dec 25 : Cattley Robert
> 1781 Feb 02 : Catley James
> 1782 Dec 06 : Catley Mary
> 1784 Nov 19 : Catley Joseph
> 1789 Aug 07 : Catley Elizabeth
>
> HRT Royston - IGI Batch No. M072811 (1662 - 1837)
>
> 1771 Sep 30 : Joseph Cattle = Elizabeth Crane
>
> Sourced via:
>
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountryE
ngland.htm#PageTitle
>
> David Meredith
> Nottingham
>
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Hi all who are monitoring the Barley/Anstey Cat*ley saga.
In my capacity as "co-ordinator" I do of course dip into as many different Cat*ley tree records as I can find and naturally numerous name combinations tend to stick in the head.
Have just been going through the Cambs IGI microfiche for Allan etc and have spotted a baptism that has jumped off the paper at me in that I recognise the parents names as associated with one of the Herts/Cambs Cat*ley Trees but silly as it is, I can not put my finger on which one but I give the information just incase my 6th sense is correct and it is meaningful:-
Somewhere there is a Thomas Catley m a Maria Head because I have found this against Bassingbourne:-
Cattley - James son of Thomas Cattley & Mary bapt 01Jan 1844
Catley - Emily dau of Thomas Catley & Maria Head bapt 27Apr 1847.
Whilst on the subject of Bassingbourne, there is also the following:-
Catley - Mary m Caleb Powtrell 06Oct 1709
Catley - Rebecca dau of James Catley & Ann Starr bapt 03Mar 1838
Catley - Thomas m Elizabeth Holland 03May 1840
Happy hunting
Tim
Tim wrote...
My IGI printouts (ex fische) for Herts give very little info for Royston, to
the point where I am wondering if the person who did the extracts missed
some sheets out but having said that, the name sequences run in correct
order of alphabet.
I can not see Joseph + Elizabeths m for 1771 nor the three children
Lettis/Ann/John (1772-1775) but interestingly, what does show up are the
following christening dates and in each case the parents are listed as:-
Catley......Joseph and Elizabeth
Robert C 25Dec 1777
James C 2Feb 1781
Mary C 6Dec 1782
Joseph C 19Nov 1784
Elizabeth C 7Aug 1789
HRT Royston - IGI Batch No. C072811 (1662 - 1851)
Parents: 'Joseph & Elizabeth'
1772 Mar 22 : Cattle Ann
1774 Mar 06 : Cattle John
1775 Dec 25 : Cattle Lettis
1777 Dec 25 : Cattley Robert
1781 Feb 02 : Catley James
1782 Dec 06 : Catley Mary
1784 Nov 19 : Catley Joseph
1789 Aug 07 : Catley Elizabeth
HRT Royston - IGI Batch No. M072811 (1662 - 1837)
1771 Sep 30 : Joseph Cattle = Elizabeth Crane
Sourced via:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/Count...
David Meredith
Nottingham
Hi Alan,
I do wish my memory was better (signs of advancing age!) because I am sure
that another Lister (maybe Mick?) has made previous comment about Cambs
records going to Herts.
In the case of Royston, etc, I can understand the logic here because Royston
IS in Hertfordshire.
It all becomes very confusing because of the fact that the geographical area
that these Barley/Barkway/Anstey/Royston/Bassingbourne/Melbourne/Gt Chishall
etc etc etc Cat*leys came from, is smack bang on the borders where the three
Counties of Essex/Cambs/Herts all meet.
To illustrate the point:- if one was in the village of Barley (Herts) and
took the minor road, the B1039 towards Wendens Ambo (don't you just love
these quaint English village names!) within half a mile, you cross over the
border into Cambs and in another half mile you arrive at Great Chishall,
carry on West through the village and within another mile you exit Cambs and
enter Essex!
Cheers
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Allan" <catley(a)usurf.co.nz>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 6:48 AM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Clavering Catley's
Hi Tim
Interesting you should say there appears to be extracts missing.
When I came to England last I spent some time in the Suffolk records office,
thinking initially we came from Bury St Edmunds/Cambridge area.
The three Lettis/Ann/John bapts. were all copied from records in Cambridge
and that is all I could find for Joseph and Elizabeth.
The research assistant told me that at some stage Royston records were
changed from Cambridgeshire to Herfordshire!!!
Is this possible and does anyone know when?
I am still waiting for my Herts records to arrive but 8 children over 17
years is highly likely.
Thanks
Allan Catley.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Cattley" <timjhcat(a)tiscali.co.uk>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 6:55 AM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Clavering Catley's
Hi Allan,
My IGI printouts (ex fische) for Herts give very little info for Royston, to
the point where I am wondering if the person who did the extracts missed
some sheets out but having said that, the name sequences run in correct
order of alphabet.
I can not see Joseph + Elizabeths m for 1771 nor the three children
Lettis/Ann/John (1772-1775) but interestingly, what does show up are the
following christening dates and in each case the parents are listed as:-
Catley......Joseph and Elizabeth
Robert C 25Dec 1777
James C 2Feb 1781
Mary C 6Dec 1782
Joseph C 19Nov 1784
Elizabeth C 7Aug 1789
Obviously there could have been more that one Joseph+Elizabeth Catley in
Royston at this time, however I see a "run" of eight Catley children
covering a 17 year span and I just wonder if they are all one family?
Just a thought
Regards
Timcatt
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From: "Allan" <catley(a)usurf.co.nz>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Clavering Catley's
Hi Liz
Looking for Joseph Catley married Elizabeth Crane 30/9/1771 in Royston.
He is noted on the PR as a sojourner to this parish and his name is spelt
Catle.
3 children
Lettis bapt. 25/12/1775
Ann bapt. 22/3/1772
John bapt. 6/3/1774
Bapt cert all spell his name Catley.
My problem is I do not know where he was born and where to start looking.
Regards
Allan Catley
----- Original Message -----
From: "liz cordingley" <lizcordingley(a)blueyonder.co.uk>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 3:30 AM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Clavering Catley's
Allan,
Who are you looking for. Only whilst I'm doing the Barley etc lot I am also
trying to do the Sawston/Cam. lot.
Liz
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From: catley(a)rootsweb.com
Date: 11/28/07 18:16:35
To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Clavering Catley's
Hi Sharon
I would appreciate it if you could send me the list. I am still trying to
find a birth record of one of my Sawston Catleys who was married in Royston.
Thank you
Allan Catley
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sharon White" <frizzyfiona(a)ntlworld.com>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 4:13 AM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Clavering Catley's
Hi Tim
This is exactly my problem - who is the other Charles? I seem to be going
round in circles! I've had a quick search of FreeBMD just to see what they
might have listed so far, and there is a death of a Charles Cattley Dec Qtr
1859 Royston (no age given), then another Charles Cattley Jun Qtr 1871
Royston age 47 (b.1824)and another Charles Cattley Dec Qtr 1888 Royston age
67 (b.1821). None of them were listed with a single 't' spelling.
I did also contact the Hertfordshire Record Office with a view to purchasing
the Parish Registers on fiche, but they have converted theirs onto microfilm
at a cost of £36 each!!! I think I just might have to give that one a miss
at the moment! I have got a complete list though of everything they hold to
do with the Church of England Parish Registers which I can forward on to
anyone who would like to see it.
Question for Liz - Charles Catley b.1814 who married Arundell b.1811 - what
was her maiden name please? Thanks!
Sharon
-----Original Message-----
From: catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:catley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
Behalf Of Tim Cattley
Sent: 26 November 2007 22:48
To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Clavering Catley's
Don't worry about it Sharon I make more mistakes than anybody on the List!
I already have microfiche copies of three pages of IGI for Herts and they
have not been that helpful.
Here are all the Charles' shown
Catley Charles Mary Newman H. M. 30Jul1738 Barkway
Catley Charles Charles Catley M. C. 09May1745 Barkway
Catley Charles Newman Catley/Jemima M.C. 10Mar1776 Barkway
Catley Charles Geo Cattley/Elizh M.C. 29Apr1781 Barkway
Catley Charles Hannah Roberts H.M. 20Nov1783 Little Hormead
Catley Charles Mary Wythe H.M. 14Dec1799 Throcking
Catley Charles Geo Catley/Mary Ann M.C. 13Nov1808 Barkway
Catley Charles Joseph Catley/Elizabeth M.C. 25Sep1814 Anstey
Catley Charles James Catley/Sarah M.C. 27Jul1823 Anstey
Catley Charles Samuell Catley/Elizabeth M.C. 18Apr1854 Anstey
H.M.= Husband. Marriage
M.C.= Male. Christening.
I dont think that the discovery of a Charles m Eliz Tolfts does anything to
upset the m details of Charles m Susan Bentley, although there is nothing
for m under Charles in IGI, if you familysearch.org Susan Bentley it gives m
to Charles as 1849 and that she died in 1864 which rather confirms the work
done by the Vicar of Anstey so I think we have to believe that there was a
Charles Catley m to a Susan Bentley.
To my mind, what does throw everything into confusion is the reality of the
1851 Census which shows two Charles' both aged 28 living next door to
eachother as I explained in my email to Elaine. The guy with Susan as wife
has surely just got to be Charles and Susan nee Bentley. If thatis proved
to be the case, then who on earth is (was) the Charles next door at No 65?!
Do you think we will resolve this before May 2008!!!
All best
Timcatt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sharon White" <frizzyfiona(a)ntlworld.com>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Clavering Catley's
> Hi Tim
> You're right - I had a 'funny 5 minutes' when I typed this e mail in!
Blame
> it on lack of sleep - I've had an ill child keeping me up for the past few
> nights! Sorry for any confusion, but yes, James (b.1814) was the son of
> Edward and Elizabeth nee Fox, as you rightly state.
> I'm going to order some of the fiches for the Hertfordshire records to try
> to clear some of the queries up. I have searched through everything I have
> over the weekend and it has all pointed to James b.1814 dying in 1815.
> However, what I am wondering is quite often, if a child dies, another one
is
> given the same name and if this James died in the early part of 1815,
> perhaps shortly afterwards another James was born in the same year. I
really
> need to get hold of the parish records fiches to try to solve some
> mysteries! I thought it was a real breakthrough though discovering the
> Clavering link.
> I am having a real headache with the Charles Catley problem though. Having
> discovered the marriage of Charles Catley to Elizabeth Tolfts recently, it
> has thrown into disarray the marriages of Charles Catley to Susan Bentley
> and Mary Chap(p)el. Like you, I don't think the one Charles married three
> times, but I also haven't found a marriage from the earlier Catley
> generation of Charles Catley to Sarah (as far as I can tell!).
> I will keep on searching though and exploring all avenues to try to solve
> this one - I do like a challenge!! I'll keep you updated on everything I
> find out.
> Thanks for all your help and support though Tim!
> Sharon
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:catley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
> Behalf Of Tim Cattley
> Sent: 25 November 2007 23:23
> To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Clavering Catley's
>
> Hi Sharon/Liz
>
> Like Liz, I have a note here to indicate that Martha was b 1870 Wendon
> whereas all the other siblings were b Clavering.
>
> Sharon. I think you may have dropped a generation from what you say. The
> James b 1814 who m Hannah aka Ann Chipperfield was the son of Edward b
1781
> who m Elizabeth Fox in 1813.
> It was James' grandfather who was Edward b 1746 who m Martha Lilly.
>
> The original suggestion that James died in 1815 comes from Candis
> Cattley-Sanders who did the first main research on the Anstey Cat*leys so
> your information that he founded the Clavering branch and did not die
until
> 1893 in Saffron Waldon is interesting news indeed.
>
> Candis' work has formed the core of my own data and from what I have
> discovered since obtaining it from her in 2003, is that it looks to be
> pretty solid with regard to the "main Anstey" pedigree but she has not
> looked to expand out from there and there could be errors/omissions on the
> perimeters, as it were.
>
> Have any of you resolved "The Charles Catley problem" yet?
>
> Timcatt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "liz cordingley" <lizcordingley(a)blueyonder.co.uk>
> To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 12:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Clavering Catley's
>
>
> > Hi Sharon,
> > You have got the right family. This tree does belong to the Anstey lot.
> > Talk soon
> > Liz
> >
> > -------Original Message-------
> >
> > From: catley(a)rootsweb.com
> > Date: 11/21/07 23:34:23
> > To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
> > Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Clavering Catley's
> >
> > Hi Liz
> > I can finally reply to this message of yours as I have today discovered
> some
> > information on this which needs to be checked out further before I add
it
> to
> > the Family Tree Maker database for Herts etc. Catley's!
> >
> > The Clavering connection could come from James Catley b.1814 the son of
> > Edward b.1746 Barkway who married Martha Lilly. I have been given
> > information to suggest that this James, who according to my records died
> in
> > 1815, in fact died in 1893 in Saffron Walden, Essex and married Hannah
aka
> > Ann nee Chipperfield. They had six children, as you have shown, all born
> in
> > Clavering, Essex, although you've got Martha born in Wendon. I haven't
yet
> > checked the births out in any detail. The children were:
> >
> > Eliza b. 1847
> > George b. 1849
> > John b. 1852
> > Mary Ann b. 1859
> > Elizabeth A b. 1864
> > Martha b. 1870
> >
> > Hope this helps a bit Liz, and I will let you know when I've looked into
> > this further.
> > Best wishes,
> > Sharon
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:catley-bounces@rootsweb.com]
On
> > Behalf Of liz cordingley
> > Sent: 12 October 2007 16:00
> > To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
> > Subject: [CATLEY] Clavering Catley's
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Is there anyone who has Catley's that came from Clavering in their tree.
I
> > am looking for James and Hannah
> >
> > children
> >
> > Eliza b 1848
> >
> > George b 1849
> >
> > John b 1849
> >
> > Mary Ann b 1859
> >
> > Elizabeth A b 1864
> >
> > Martha b 1870 Wendon
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Liz
> >
> >
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Hi Liz
Susan Catley married William Ellis in 1859. I have confirmed this via the
1881 Census, when they were living in High Street, Royston.
William ELLIS Head M 48 b. Royston Occ Brazier Master employing 1 apprentice
Susan ELLIS Wife M 47 b. Sawston, Cambridge Brazier Master Wife
Julia ELLIS Dtr U 14 b. Royston, Herts
William ELLIS Son U 13 b. Royston, Herts Brazier's Apprentice
Kate ELLIS Dtr U 8 b. Royston, Herts
John C ELLIS Son U 6 b. Royston, Herts
Will this be the right Susan Catley though as I thought she was born in
Great Chishill, Essex?
Can't sort out anything concrete about Rebecca's marriage though - I'll keep
looking!
Sharon
-----Original Message-----
From: catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:catley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
Behalf Of liz cordingley
Sent: 01 December 2007 17:38
To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [CATLEY] charles catley
Hi All,
I am having serious doubts about the Charles b 1823 married to Susan Bentley
Firstly on the 51 census it gives Nephews Charles and James living with Aunt
Elizabeth. For this to be correct it would mean Elizabeth Fox. This is
proven by the fact that her son Joseph is also with them b 1820. So the
nephews would be the children of James and Sarah Fox. All James and Sarah
Fox's children are born Anstey except Charles. I am now thinking that maybe
the Charles that married Eliza Tolfts is the son of James and Sarah. Could
Charles b Meesden then be a son of Joseph b 1788 son of Edward and Martha
Lily. Also is this the Joseph that married Elizabeth Hagger. I know
Elizabeth and Susan Bentley are sisters, however we have Mary daughter of
Edward and Elizabeth Fox marrying Charles Copeland and Edward the son of
James and Sarah Fox marrying Mary Copeland are they brother and sister?
Do we know who married Susan daughter of Edward and Rebecca Nunn its either
Edward Beale or William Ellis also who did Rebecca (daughter of same) marry
Abraham Pettit or Henry Whitmore.
Cheers
Liz
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Hi Liz
You're confirming exactly what I have been thinking. I spent an awful lot of
time over the past few days trying to find categoric proof that Charles
Catley b.1823 was the son of James and Sarah nee Fox and married Elizabeth
Tolfts and that the Charles b. Meesden was the son of Joseph and Elizabeth
nee Hagger and that it was him that married Susan Bentley!
I have come to the conclusion though that the only way of proving it is to
wait for the marriage certificate that Elaine is obtaining first and then I
might purchase the other one to prove the father of the other Charles who
married Susan Bentley!
I'm going to have another look at it all shortly and I'll look at the
Copeland query too and see if I have anything anywhere about them. I'll also
have a look at the marriages of Edward and Rebecca's children too and see
what I've got.
Sharon
-----Original Message-----
From: catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:catley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
Behalf Of liz cordingley
Sent: 01 December 2007 17:38
To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [CATLEY] charles catley
Hi All,
I am having serious doubts about the Charles b 1823 married to Susan Bentley
Firstly on the 51 census it gives Nephews Charles and James living with Aunt
Elizabeth. For this to be correct it would mean Elizabeth Fox. This is
proven by the fact that her son Joseph is also with them b 1820. So the
nephews would be the children of James and Sarah Fox. All James and Sarah
Fox's children are born Anstey except Charles. I am now thinking that maybe
the Charles that married Eliza Tolfts is the son of James and Sarah. Could
Charles b Meesden then be a son of Joseph b 1788 son of Edward and Martha
Lily. Also is this the Joseph that married Elizabeth Hagger. I know
Elizabeth and Susan Bentley are sisters, however we have Mary daughter of
Edward and Elizabeth Fox marrying Charles Copeland and Edward the son of
James and Sarah Fox marrying Mary Copeland are they brother and sister?
Do we know who married Susan daughter of Edward and Rebecca Nunn its either
Edward Beale or William Ellis also who did Rebecca (daughter of same) marry
Abraham Pettit or Henry Whitmore.
Cheers
Liz
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Just in case as Ancestry' has the name listed as 'Calltey'.....
1841 @ First Green, Meesden, HRT
Mary Appleton . 60 . Y
Elizer Cattley . 13 . Y
William Cattley . 11 . Y
Roadah Do . 7 . Y
> Hi Tim, Liz and Sharon,
>
> Charles marriage cert arrived this morning. Both him and Elizabeth are of
> full age, Charles living in Anstey, Elizabeth living in Great Hormead.
> Charles father is James Catley labourer. One of the witnesses is Rhoda
> Catley. Charles son of James and Sarah had a younger sister Rhoda. When I get
> my desktop computer working properly I will scan the cert and send it to you
> all. They were married in Great Hormead.
>
> Elaine
> Hi All,
>
> I am having serious doubts about the Charles b 1823 married to Susan Bentley
>
>
> Firstly on the 51 census it gives Nephews Charles and James living with Aunt
> Elizabeth. For this to be correct it would mean Elizabeth Fox. This is
> proven by the fact that her son Joseph is also with them b 1820. So the
> nephews would be the children of James and Sarah Fox. All James and Sarah
> Fox's children are born Anstey except Charles. I am now thinking that maybe
> the Charles that married Eliza Tolfts is the son of James and Sarah. Could
> Charles b Meesden then be a son of Joseph b 1788 son of Edward and Martha
> Lily. Also is this the Joseph that married Elizabeth Hagger. I know
> Elizabeth and Susan Bentley are sisters, however we have Mary daughter of
> Edward and Elizabeth Fox marrying Charles Copeland and Edward the son of
> James and Sarah Fox marrying Mary Copeland are they brother and sister?
>
>
>
> Do we know who married Susan daughter of Edward and Rebecca Nunn its either
> Edward Beale or William Ellis also who did Rebecca (daughter of same) marry
> Abraham Pettit or Henry Whitmore.
>
> Cheers
>
> Liz
Hi Tim, Liz and Sharon,
Charles marriage cert arrived this morning. Both him and Elizabeth are of full age, Charles living in Anstey, Elizabeth living in Great Hormead. Charles father is James Catley labourer. One of the witnesses is Rhoda Catley. Charles son of James and Sarah had a younger sister Rhoda. When I get my desktop computer working properly I will scan the cert and send it to you all. They were married in Great Hormead.
Elaine
liz cordingley <lizcordingley(a)blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
Hi All,
I am having serious doubts about the Charles b 1823 married to Susan Bentley
Firstly on the 51 census it gives Nephews Charles and James living with Aunt
Elizabeth. For this to be correct it would mean Elizabeth Fox. This is
proven by the fact that her son Joseph is also with them b 1820. So the
nephews would be the children of James and Sarah Fox. All James and Sarah
Fox's children are born Anstey except Charles. I am now thinking that maybe
the Charles that married Eliza Tolfts is the son of James and Sarah. Could
Charles b Meesden then be a son of Joseph b 1788 son of Edward and Martha
Lily. Also is this the Joseph that married Elizabeth Hagger. I know
Elizabeth and Susan Bentley are sisters, however we have Mary daughter of
Edward and Elizabeth Fox marrying Charles Copeland and Edward the son of
James and Sarah Fox marrying Mary Copeland are they brother and sister?
Do we know who married Susan daughter of Edward and Rebecca Nunn its either
Edward Beale or William Ellis also who did Rebecca (daughter of same) marry
Abraham Pettit or Henry Whitmore.
Cheers
Liz
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Hi All,
I am having serious doubts about the Charles b 1823 married to Susan Bentley
Firstly on the 51 census it gives Nephews Charles and James living with Aunt
Elizabeth. For this to be correct it would mean Elizabeth Fox. This is
proven by the fact that her son Joseph is also with them b 1820. So the
nephews would be the children of James and Sarah Fox. All James and Sarah
Fox's children are born Anstey except Charles. I am now thinking that maybe
the Charles that married Eliza Tolfts is the son of James and Sarah. Could
Charles b Meesden then be a son of Joseph b 1788 son of Edward and Martha
Lily. Also is this the Joseph that married Elizabeth Hagger. I know
Elizabeth and Susan Bentley are sisters, however we have Mary daughter of
Edward and Elizabeth Fox marrying Charles Copeland and Edward the son of
James and Sarah Fox marrying Mary Copeland are they brother and sister?
Do we know who married Susan daughter of Edward and Rebecca Nunn its either
Edward Beale or William Ellis also who did Rebecca (daughter of same) marry
Abraham Pettit or Henry Whitmore.
Cheers
Liz
Hi Liz
Looking for Joseph Catley married Elizabeth Crane 30/9/1771 in Royston.
He is noted on the PR as a sojourner to this parish and his name is spelt
Catle.
3 children
Lettis bapt. 25/12/1775
Ann bapt. 22/3/1772
John bapt. 6/3/1774
Bapt cert all spell his name Catley.
My problem is I do not know where he was born and where to start looking.
Regards
Allan Catley
----- Original Message -----
From: "liz cordingley" <lizcordingley(a)blueyonder.co.uk>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 3:30 AM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Clavering Catley's
Allan,
Who are you looking for. Only whilst I'm doing the Barley etc lot I am also
trying to do the Sawston/Cam. lot.
Liz
-------Original Message-------
From: catley(a)rootsweb.com
Date: 11/28/07 18:16:35
To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Clavering Catley's
Hi Sharon
I would appreciate it if you could send me the list. I am still trying to
find a birth record of one of my Sawston Catleys who was married in Royston.
Thank you
Allan Catley
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sharon White" <frizzyfiona(a)ntlworld.com>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 4:13 AM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Clavering Catley's
Hi Tim
This is exactly my problem - who is the other Charles? I seem to be going
round in circles! I've had a quick search of FreeBMD just to see what they
might have listed so far, and there is a death of a Charles Cattley Dec Qtr
1859 Royston (no age given), then another Charles Cattley Jun Qtr 1871
Royston age 47 (b.1824)and another Charles Cattley Dec Qtr 1888 Royston age
67 (b.1821). None of them were listed with a single 't' spelling.
I did also contact the Hertfordshire Record Office with a view to purchasing
the Parish Registers on fiche, but they have converted theirs onto microfilm
at a cost of £36 each!!! I think I just might have to give that one a miss
at the moment! I have got a complete list though of everything they hold to
do with the Church of England Parish Registers which I can forward on to
anyone who would like to see it.
Question for Liz - Charles Catley b.1814 who married Arundell b.1811 - what
was her maiden name please? Thanks!
Sharon
-----Original Message-----
From: catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:catley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
Behalf Of Tim Cattley
Sent: 26 November 2007 22:48
To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Clavering Catley's
Don't worry about it Sharon I make more mistakes than anybody on the List!
I already have microfiche copies of three pages of IGI for Herts and they
have not been that helpful.
Here are all the Charles' shown
Catley Charles Mary Newman H. M. 30Jul1738 Barkway
Catley Charles Charles Catley M. C. 09May1745 Barkway
Catley Charles Newman Catley/Jemima M.C. 10Mar1776 Barkway
Catley Charles Geo Cattley/Elizh M.C. 29Apr1781 Barkway
Catley Charles Hannah Roberts H.M. 20Nov1783 Little Hormead
Catley Charles Mary Wythe H.M. 14Dec1799 Throcking
Catley Charles Geo Catley/Mary Ann M.C. 13Nov1808 Barkway
Catley Charles Joseph Catley/Elizabeth M.C. 25Sep1814 Anstey
Catley Charles James Catley/Sarah M.C. 27Jul1823 Anstey
Catley Charles Samuell Catley/Elizabeth M.C. 18Apr1854 Anstey
H.M.= Husband. Marriage
M.C.= Male. Christening.
I dont think that the discovery of a Charles m Eliz Tolfts does anything to
upset the m details of Charles m Susan Bentley, although there is nothing
for m under Charles in IGI, if you familysearch.org Susan Bentley it gives m
to Charles as 1849 and that she died in 1864 which rather confirms the work
done by the Vicar of Anstey so I think we have to believe that there was a
Charles Catley m to a Susan Bentley.
To my mind, what does throw everything into confusion is the reality of the
1851 Census which shows two Charles' both aged 28 living next door to
eachother as I explained in my email to Elaine. The guy with Susan as wife
has surely just got to be Charles and Susan nee Bentley. If that is proved
to be the case, then who on earth is (was) the Charles next door at No 65?!
Do you think we will resolve this before May 2008!!!
All best
Timcatt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sharon White" <frizzyfiona(a)ntlworld.com>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Clavering Catley's
> Hi Tim
> You're right - I had a 'funny 5 minutes' when I typed this e mail in!
Blame
> it on lack of sleep - I've had an ill child keeping me up for the past few
> nights! Sorry for any confusion, but yes, James (b.1814) was the son of
> Edward and Elizabeth nee Fox, as you rightly state.
> I'm going to order some of the fiches for the Hertfordshire records to try
> to clear some of the queries up. I have searched through everything I have
> over the weekend and it has all pointed to James b.1814 dying in 1815.
> However, what I am wondering is quite often, if a child dies, another one
is
> given the same name and if this James died in the early part of 1815,
> perhaps shortly afterwards another James was born in the same year. I
really
> need to get hold of the parish records fiches to try to solve some
> mysteries! I thought it was a real breakthrough though discovering the
> Clavering link.
> I am having a real headache with the Charles Catley problem though. Having
> discovered the marriage of Charles Catley to Elizabeth Tolfts recently, it
> has thrown into disarray the marriages of Charles Catley to Susan Bentley
> and Mary Chap(p)el. Like you, I don't think the one Charles married three
> times, but I also haven't found a marriage from the earlier Catley
> generation of Charles Catley to Sarah (as far as I can tell!).
> I will keep on searching though and exploring all avenues to try to solve
> this one - I do like a challenge!! I'll keep you updated on everything I
> find out.
> Thanks for all your help and support though Tim!
> Sharon
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:catley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
> Behalf Of Tim Cattley
> Sent: 25 November 2007 23:23
> To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Clavering Catley's
>
> Hi Sharon/Liz
>
> Like Liz, I have a note here to indicate that Martha was b 1870 Wendon
> whereas all the other siblings were b Clavering.
>
> Sharon. I think you may have dropped a generation from what you say. The
> James b 1814 who m Hannah aka Ann Chipperfield was the son of Edward b
1781
> who m Elizabeth Fox in 1813.
> It was James' grandfather who was Edward b 1746 who m Martha Lilly.
>
> The original suggestion that James died in 1815 comes from Candis
> Cattley-Sanders who did the first main research on the Anstey Cat*leys so
> your information that he founded the Clavering branch and did not die
until
> 1893 in Saffron Waldon is interesting news indeed.
>
> Candis' work has formed the core of my own data and from what I have
> discovered since obtaining it from her in 2003, is that it looks to be
> pretty solid with regard to the "main Anstey" pedigree but she has not
> looked to expand out from there and there could be errors/omissions on the
> perimeters, as it were.
>
> Have any of you resolved "The Charles Catley problem" yet?
>
> Timcatt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "liz cordingley" <lizcordingley(a)blueyonder.co.uk>
> To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 12:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Clavering Catley's
>
>
> > Hi Sharon,
> > You have got the right family. This tree does belong to the Anstey lot.
> > Talk soon
> > Liz
> >
> > -------Original Message-------
> >
> > From: catley(a)rootsweb.com
> > Date: 11/21/07 23:34:23
> > To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
> > Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Clavering Catley's
> >
> > Hi Liz
> > I can finally reply to this message of yours as I have today discovered
> some
> > information on this which needs to be checked out further before I add
it
> to
> > the Family Tree Maker database for Herts etc. Catley's!
> >
> > The Clavering connection could come from James Catley b.1814 the son of
> > Edward b.1746 Barkway who married Martha Lilly. I have been given
> > information to suggest that this James, who according to my records died
> in
> > 1815, in fact died in 1893 in Saffron Walden, Essex and married Hannah
aka
> > Ann nee Chipperfield. They had six children, as you have shown, all born
> in
> > Clavering, Essex, although you've got Martha born in Wendon. I haven't
yet
> > checked the births out in any detail. The children were:
> >
> > Eliza b. 1847
> > George b. 1849
> > John b. 1852
> > Mary Ann b. 1859
> > Elizabeth A b. 1864
> > Martha b. 1870
> >
> > Hope this helps a bit Liz, and I will let you know when I've looked into
> > this further.
> > Best wishes,
> > Sharon
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:catley-bounces@rootsweb.com]
On
> > Behalf Of liz cordingley
> > Sent: 12 October 2007 16:00
> > To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
> > Subject: [CATLEY] Clavering Catley's
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Is there anyone who has Catley's that came from Clavering in their tree.
I
> > am looking for James and Hannah
> >
> > children
> >
> > Eliza b 1848
> >
> > George b 1849
> >
> > John b 1849
> >
> > Mary Ann b 1859
> >
> > Elizabeth A b 1864
> >
> > Martha b 1870 Wendon
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Liz
> >
> >
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