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Records of the Admiralty, Naval Forces, Royal Marines, Coastguard, and related
bodies
ADM 27/1/242: Allotment registers recording the sending of wages to next of kin
by warrant officers, ratings and Royal Marines from ships named A-T, as listed
below commencing from 1795: HMS Abergavenny: page 8. HMS Acasta: page 342. HMS
Actaeon: pages 5, 275. HMS Active: page 130.
William Catley; Ship's name: HMS Circe; Pay book number: SB 129; Rank: Landsman;
Relation: Wife Susan; When Alloted: 1796;
The IGI has....
William Catley = Susanna Carter
17 APR 1792 Saint Katherine Creechurch, London, London, England.... possible
match...?
Via Google: 'LM was the abbreviation used in the Royal Navy for Landsman (later
Landman). This was a man without any Naval training who served on board a
warship. As being a sailor wasn't their 'profession' (they were very often
agricultural workers or labourers who wanted to get away from the land) they
were classed as 'volunteers', supposedly being immune to being 'pressed'. The
Press Gangs usually concentrated their efforts on impressing men who had some
knowledge of the sea, fishermen, merchant sailors, even smugglers, as they had a
good understanding of what was required at sea. It was not really in their
interests to impress men who had no idea of one end of a ship from another!
However, during the Naval wars of the 18thC, anyone could be taken as they were
desperate for men to man the ships. These Landsmen were not paid as much as an
Ordinary Seaman. The rank was abolished in the early 1860's and replaced by that
of Ordinary Seaman 2nd Class.'
www.ancestry.co.uk
Name_Estimated-Birth-Year_Birth-Parish_Birth-County_Number-of-Images
Albert Victor Catley 20
Archibald Edgar Catley abt 1876 2
Archibald Edgar Catley abt 1876 2
Archibald Edgar Catley abt 1881 Deptford Kent 21
Archibald Edgar Catley abt 1879 Deptford Kent 9
Arthur Catley abt 1902 Chorlton On Medlock Lancashire 9
Bertram Catley 13
Charles Catley 10
Charles Robert Catley abt 1886 Ratcliffe Middlesex 18
Ernest Catley abt 1884 12
Frederick Catley 10
Gilbert Harold Catley 15
Henry George Catley 12
John William Catley 14
Richard Catley abt 1881 9
Thomas Frederick Catley abt 1886 Morley Warwick 13
Tom Newmarch Catley abt 1877 22
Walter Catley abt 1874 All Saints Northamptonshire 12
Walter William Catley abt 1902 All Saints Northamptonshire 28
Walter William Catley 4
Walter William Catley 16
William Catley abt 1874 Coalford Somersetshire 13
Edmund Cattley abt 1892 Bermondsey London 8
Edward Cattley abt 1892 Bulmer York 6
George Cattley abt 1872 9
Henry Vincent Cattley abt 1884 Orfield Gloucestershire 16
Irvine Cattley abt 1896 Braithwell Yorkshire 4
Irvine Cattley abt 1896 Braithwell Yorkshire 9
Robert William Cattley abt 1878 Stanborough York 5
Robert William Cattley abt 1881 Searborough Yorks 19
Hi Liz
If you look at Davids E-mail I have got Charles there to, but was not sure
that it was him. I have been working on this one on and off for weeks. I
like a challenge.
Elaine
-----Original Message-----
From: catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:catley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
Behalf Of liz cordingley
Sent: 21 November 2007 22:47
To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Anstey Cat*leys
Hi Elaine,
I have found Elizabeth and Walter in Hare Street. I have forwarded a copy
from Ancestry to you. Going to look for Charles
Liz
-------Original Message-------
From: catley(a)rootsweb.com
Date: 11/21/07 20:56:37
To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [CATLEY] Anstey Cat*leys
Hi Tim , Sharon and All
In my efforts on the Anstey tree, I am having trouble finding the parents of
a Charles (Chas) Cat*ley.
Charles b 1823. Married Elizabeth Torfts (Tolfts) 28/9/1850.
I cannot find them in any census until 1861 where they are living in Hare
Street Layston.
Charles m aged 38 b. Anstey
Elizabeth m aged 31 b. Geat Hormead
Ann D aged 10 b. Great Hormead 1851
Mary D aged 7 b. Great Hormead 1854
Thomas S aged 5 b Great Hormead 1856
Sarah D aged 3 b. Layston 1858
Rebecca D aged 11 mths b Layston 1860
Walter Tolfts S aged 12 Great Hormead
Rebecca Tolfts Mother in law W aged 66 b.Great Hormead.
In 1871
Elizabeth has died ( poss Elizabeth Cat*ley (d1863?)
Charles W
Ann aged 20
Mary aged 18
Sarah aged 13
Rebecca aged 11
Charles aged 9
In 1880 Ann married Charles Pavyer in Islington
In the 1881 1891 1901 census Sarah is living with the Pavyers.
I hope this makes sense. Does anybody have anything on these Cat*leys? If
not I will splash out and get their marriage cert. I have got the childrens
details from the igi. I also have checked Chris's database but did not find
anything.
Best wishes
Elaine
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Anstey, St George
19 Jul 1801 Eliza CATLEY
17 Feb 1811 Edward CATLEY 64
14 Mar 1816 James CATLEY 5m
12 Jan 1820 James CATLEY 9d
7 Oct 1824 Edward CATLEY 7
19 Feb 1826 Thomas CATLEY 9m
31 Oct 1826 Elizabeth CATLEY 1
3 Aug 1834 Martha CATLEY 89
19 Jun 1836 Sarah CATLEY 49
25 Apr 1849 Edward CATLEY 68
Barkway, Congregational
25 Aug 1810 Edward CATELY 25
Barkway, St Mary Magdalene
23 Feb 1803 Sarah CATLEY
23 Jun 1808 Emma CATLEY inf
4 May 1817 John CATLEY 8+
19 Sep 1830 George CATLEY 83
5 May 1833 Mary Ann CATLEY 63
15 Mar 1837 Benjamin CATLEY 83
20 Jan 1840 James CATLEY 57
29 Apr 1843 George CATLEY 64
17 Mar 1846 Mary CATLEY
Barley, St Margaret
28 Jun 1811 Anne CATLEY
4 Aug 1812 Susan CATLEY
10 Jun 1824 James CATLEY 71
16 Jan 1847 Joseph CATLEY 50
Chipping Barnet, St John the Baptist
19 May 1825 Anne CATTLEY 66
24 Apr 1830 John CATTLEY 71
13 Aug 1835 William CATTLEY 46
Layston with Buntingford, St Bartholomew
5 Jan 1850 Joseph CATLEY 62
Royston, St John the Baptist
10 Oct 1833 William Cockett CATLEY 14m
11 Aug 1836 Mary Cockett CATLEY 1+
9 Feb 1843 Mary CATLEY 39
Throcking, Holy Trinity
26 Mar 1824 Charles CATLEY 79
20 Feb 1846 Mary CATLEY
Watford, St Mary
24 Mar 1817 James CATLEY 8m
30 Apr 1820 Elizabeth CATLEY 24
7 Jan 1838 Isaac CATELEY 9m
Wheathampstead, St Helen
1 Dec 1816 Mary CATLEY 2
25 Sep 1823 William CATLEY 55
14 Nov 1825 Ann CATLEY 5
7 Dec 1825 William CATLEY 21
26 Jul 1826 John CATLEY inf
4 Sep 1826 Elizabeth CATLEY 23
8 Mar 1834 Susan CATLEY 67
22 Jul 1834 William CATLEY 36
James Catley 1784-1858 who m Sarah Fox in 1808 had a brother Edward
1781-1849, he married Sarah Fox's sister Elizabeth Fox in 1813 and Edward +
Elizabeth had a number of children.........Edward died 1849 by which time
three daughters had married and moved out by 1851 and two sons had died
young, however it is possible that Joseph who was b in 1820 was still living
with his mother. The age of 31 fits.
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: "David BARKER" <davidwbarker(a)wanadoo.fr>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 1:05 AM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Anstey Cat*leys
>
> Hi Tim Elaine & All
> The Charles Catley who Married Susan was born in Meesden and is found in
the next household on the census schedule
> to the other Charles (married but wife not present ° .Bothe the Charleses
are aged 28.but the nephew of Elizabeth was born in Anstey. By the way The
Nephew James 16 was also born in Anstey and not Meesden as I stated earlier
. My Mistake sorry! HUMBLE CRINGE!
> Will send you both image of Schedule
> Regards Dave Barker
>
>
>
>
> > Message du 22/11/07 01:03
> > De : "Tim Cattley"
> > A : catley(a)rootsweb.com
> > Copie à :
> > Objet : Re: [CATLEY] Anstey Cat*leys
> >
> > Hi Elaine,
> >
> > My advice to you is to stick to Liz like glue on this one! She is a
demon at
> > sussing out difficult genealogical problems and as you may already know
she
> > is right in the throws of researching the Anstey line including all the
> > hitherto possible lateral branches that have been missed off the main
Anstey
> > Parish lineage.
> >
> > As to Anstey proper is concerned, there was only one Charles Catley b
1823
> > in the Parish that I am aware of and his parents were James Catley (
> > 1784-1858) m Sarah Fox in 1808.
> >
> > Some researchers suggest that Charles was not born Anstey at all but at
> > Meesdon in 1818 and attribute him to Chas and Sarah., however the IGI
> > certainly shows a Charles b 1823 Anstey son of Chas and Sarah.
> >
> > However this Chas is listed as marrying twice:
> >
> > 1 to Susan Bentley in 1849
> > 2 to Mary Chapel in 1866.
> >
> > Can only assume that you have found another Chas because it is
improbable
> > that the Anstey 1823 born Charles could have married Susan Bentley in
> > 1849/Elizabeth Tolfts in 1850/Mary Chapel in 1866!
> >
> > Having said that (and as an aside) there was an Anstey Catley who
married
> > three times, good old Eli George Catley who has living issue both in the
UK
> > and the USA.
> >
> > Can you make the Catley meeting in Oxford in May next year?
> >
> > We are in need of Anstey Tree researchers to join us.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Timcatt
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "liz cordingley"
> > To:
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 10:46 PM
> > Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Anstey Cat*leys
> >
> >
> > > Hi Elaine,
> > > I have found Elizabeth and Walter in Hare Street. I have forwarded a
copy
> > > from Ancestry to you. Going to look for Charles
> > > Liz
> > >
> > > -------Original Message-------
> > >
> > > From: catley(a)rootsweb.com
> > > Date: 11/21/07 20:56:37
> > > To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
> > > Subject: [CATLEY] Anstey Cat*leys
> > >
> > > Hi Tim , Sharon and All
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > In my efforts on the Anstey tree, I am having trouble finding the
parents
> > of
> > > a Charles (Chas) Cat*ley.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Charles b 1823. Married Elizabeth Torfts (Tolfts) 28/9/1850.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I cannot find them in any census until 1861 where they are living in
Hare
> > > Street Layston.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Charles m aged 38 b. Anstey
> > >
> > > Elizabeth m aged 31 b. Geat Hormead
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ann D aged 10 b. Great Hormead 1851
> > >
> > > Mary D aged 7 b. Great Hormead 1854
> > >
> > > Thomas S aged 5 b Great Hormead 1856
> > >
> > > Sarah D aged 3 b. Layston 1858
> > >
> > > Rebecca D aged 11 mths b Layston 1860
> > >
> > > Walter Tolfts S aged 12 Great Hormead
> > >
> > > Rebecca Tolfts Mother in law W aged 66 b.Great Hormead.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > In 1871
> > >
> > > Elizabeth has died ( poss Elizabeth Cat*ley (d1863?)
> > >
> > > Charles W
> > >
> > > Ann aged 20
> > >
> > > Mary aged 18
> > >
> > > Sarah aged 13
> > >
> > > Rebecca aged 11
> > >
> > > Charles aged 9
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > In 1880 Ann married Charles Pavyer in Islington
> > >
> > > In the 1881 1891 1901 census Sarah is living with the Pavyers.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I hope this makes sense. Does anybody have anything on these Cat*leys?
If
> > > not I will splash out and get their marriage cert. I have got the
> > childrens
> > > details from the igi. I also have checked Chris's database but did not
> > find
> > > anything.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Best wishes
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Elaine
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Hi Sharon et al,
Hopefully this snippit will not confuse:-
The main Anstey Tree drawn up by the one time Vicar of Anstey from the
Parish Register gives a possible lead but at the same time adds another
Tofts (Tolfts) to the brew.
Edward Catley m Martha Lilly........ OK?
Son James 1764-1858 m Sarah Fox 1808........OK?
Their son James bapt 16/04/1817 possibly m Eliza ? 1846
James + Eliza had a son also James b 1846 bapt 10/01/1847
This James 3rd looks to have m Mary.A.Tolfts in 1894.
If correct then James 3rd m at 48 years old
The main bulk of the Anstey tree all seems to stem from James m Sarah Fox.
They had at least 10 children but there does seem to be some confusion
concerning two of their sons and how the following generations panned out:-
1) James b 1817
2) Charles b 1823
The single double T spelling changes does not help nor the fact that three
generations on this branch all married Bentleys!
Happy hunting
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: "liz cordingley" <lizcordingley(a)blueyonder.co.uk>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 12:18 AM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Clavering Catley's
> Hi Sharon,
> You have got the right family. This tree does belong to the Anstey lot.
> Talk soon
> Liz
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: catley(a)rootsweb.com
> Date: 11/21/07 23:34:23
> To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Clavering Catley's
>
> Hi Liz
> I can finally reply to this message of yours as I have today discovered
some
> information on this which needs to be checked out further before I add it
to
> the Family Tree Maker database for Herts etc. Catley's!
>
> The Clavering connection could come from James Catley b.1814 the son of
> Edward b.1746 Barkway who married Martha Lilly. I have been given
> information to suggest that this James, who according to my records died
in
> 1815, in fact died in 1893 in Saffron Walden, Essex and married Hannah aka
> Ann nee Chipperfield. They had six children, as you have shown, all born
in
> Clavering, Essex, although you've got Martha born in Wendon. I haven't yet
> checked the births out in any detail. The children were:
>
> Eliza b. 1847
> George b. 1849
> John b. 1852
> Mary Ann b. 1859
> Elizabeth A b. 1864
> Martha b. 1870
>
> Hope this helps a bit Liz, and I will let you know when I've looked into
> this further.
> Best wishes,
> Sharon
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:catley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
> Behalf Of liz cordingley
> Sent: 12 October 2007 16:00
> To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: [CATLEY] Clavering Catley's
>
> Hi All,
>
> Is there anyone who has Catley's that came from Clavering in their tree. I
> am looking for James and Hannah
>
> children
>
> Eliza b 1848
>
> George b 1849
>
> John b 1849
>
> Mary Ann b 1859
>
> Elizabeth A b 1864
>
> Martha b 1870 Wendon
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Liz
>
>
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G'day Elaine,
In the Anstey line there is a Charles Catley c. Anstey 27 Jul 1823,
son of James Catley c.Anstey 21 Mar 1784 and Sarah Fox.
Unfortunately I cannot link him to the marriage to Elizabeth Torfts
in 1850 but his age and marriage registration district are not
inconsistent with such a link.
At 08:35 PM 21/11/2007 +0000, Elaine Nash wrote:
>Hi Tim , Sharon and All
>
>
>
>I
Regards,
Mick Catley
Hi Tim Elaine & All
The Charles Catley who Married Susan was born in Meesden and is found in the next household on the census schedule
to the other Charles (married but wife not present ° .Bothe the Charleses are aged 28.but the nephew of Elizabeth was born in Anstey. By the way The Nephew James 16 was also born in Anstey and not Meesden as I stated earlier . My Mistake sorry! HUMBLE CRINGE!
Will send you both image of Schedule
Regards Dave Barker
> Message du 22/11/07 01:03
> De : "Tim Cattley"
> A : catley(a)rootsweb.com
> Copie à :
> Objet : Re: [CATLEY] Anstey Cat*leys
>
> Hi Elaine,
>
> My advice to you is to stick to Liz like glue on this one! She is a demon at
> sussing out difficult genealogical problems and as you may already know she
> is right in the throws of researching the Anstey line including all the
> hitherto possible lateral branches that have been missed off the main Anstey
> Parish lineage.
>
> As to Anstey proper is concerned, there was only one Charles Catley b 1823
> in the Parish that I am aware of and his parents were James Catley (
> 1784-1858) m Sarah Fox in 1808.
>
> Some researchers suggest that Charles was not born Anstey at all but at
> Meesdon in 1818 and attribute him to Chas and Sarah., however the IGI
> certainly shows a Charles b 1823 Anstey son of Chas and Sarah.
>
> However this Chas is listed as marrying twice:
>
> 1 to Susan Bentley in 1849
> 2 to Mary Chapel in 1866.
>
> Can only assume that you have found another Chas because it is improbable
> that the Anstey 1823 born Charles could have married Susan Bentley in
> 1849/Elizabeth Tolfts in 1850/Mary Chapel in 1866!
>
> Having said that (and as an aside) there was an Anstey Catley who married
> three times, good old Eli George Catley who has living issue both in the UK
> and the USA.
>
> Can you make the Catley meeting in Oxford in May next year?
>
> We are in need of Anstey Tree researchers to join us.
>
> Regards
>
> Timcatt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "liz cordingley"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 10:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Anstey Cat*leys
>
>
> > Hi Elaine,
> > I have found Elizabeth and Walter in Hare Street. I have forwarded a copy
> > from Ancestry to you. Going to look for Charles
> > Liz
> >
> > -------Original Message-------
> >
> > From: catley(a)rootsweb.com
> > Date: 11/21/07 20:56:37
> > To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
> > Subject: [CATLEY] Anstey Cat*leys
> >
> > Hi Tim , Sharon and All
> >
> >
> >
> > In my efforts on the Anstey tree, I am having trouble finding the parents
> of
> > a Charles (Chas) Cat*ley.
> >
> >
> >
> > Charles b 1823. Married Elizabeth Torfts (Tolfts) 28/9/1850.
> >
> >
> >
> > I cannot find them in any census until 1861 where they are living in Hare
> > Street Layston.
> >
> >
> >
> > Charles m aged 38 b. Anstey
> >
> > Elizabeth m aged 31 b. Geat Hormead
> >
> >
> >
> > Ann D aged 10 b. Great Hormead 1851
> >
> > Mary D aged 7 b. Great Hormead 1854
> >
> > Thomas S aged 5 b Great Hormead 1856
> >
> > Sarah D aged 3 b. Layston 1858
> >
> > Rebecca D aged 11 mths b Layston 1860
> >
> > Walter Tolfts S aged 12 Great Hormead
> >
> > Rebecca Tolfts Mother in law W aged 66 b.Great Hormead.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > In 1871
> >
> > Elizabeth has died ( poss Elizabeth Cat*ley (d1863?)
> >
> > Charles W
> >
> > Ann aged 20
> >
> > Mary aged 18
> >
> > Sarah aged 13
> >
> > Rebecca aged 11
> >
> > Charles aged 9
> >
> >
> >
> > In 1880 Ann married Charles Pavyer in Islington
> >
> > In the 1881 1891 1901 census Sarah is living with the Pavyers.
> >
> >
> >
> > I hope this makes sense. Does anybody have anything on these Cat*leys? If
> > not I will splash out and get their marriage cert. I have got the
> childrens
> > details from the igi. I also have checked Chris's database but did not
> find
> > anything.
> >
> >
> >
> > Best wishes
> >
> >
> >
> > Elaine
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Hi Elaine and all 3 County / Anstey Listers
Is this your Charles in 1851 at HO107/1707 folio35 page 18 ? in Anstey.
Charles Catley Nephew Married 28 Agricultural Labourer born Anstey Herts
living with :-
Elizabeth Catley Head Widow 65Pauper Agricultural Labourers Wife b Anstey ,
Joseph Catley Son Unmarried 31 Ag Labr b Anstey ,
James Catley Nephew Unmarried 16 Ag Labr b Meesden.
I too found Elizabeth Married 26 (husband not present) and Walter age 8 bothborn great Hormead at Hare Street Great Horemead . HO 107/1707 folio21
Apparently living in the same building as Thomas ,Ann & Rebecca TOLFTS perhaps her parents .
There are two villages called HareStreet in Herts ,
apparently it seems to be the old name of the main road running West to East from Cambridge the B1038 :A507
> Message du 21/11/07 21:56
> De : "Elaine Nash"
> A : catley(a)rootsweb.com
> Copie à :
> Objet : [CATLEY] Anstey Cat*leys
>
> Hi Tim , Sharon and All
>
>
>
> In my efforts on the Anstey tree, I am having trouble finding the parents of
> a Charles (Chas) Cat*ley.
>
>
>
> Charles b 1823. Married Elizabeth Torfts (Tolfts) 28/9/1850.
>
>
>
> I cannot find them in any census until 1861 where they are living in Hare
> Street Layston.
>
>
>
> Charles m aged 38 b. Anstey
>
> Elizabeth m aged 31 b. Geat Hormead
>
>
>
> Ann D aged 10 b. Great Hormead 1851
>
> Mary D aged 7 b. Great Hormead 1854
>
> Thomas S aged 5 b Great Hormead 1856
>
> Sarah D aged 3 b. Layston 1858
>
> Rebecca D aged 11 mths b Layston 1860
>
> Walter Tolfts S aged 12 Great Hormead
>
> Rebecca Tolfts Mother in law W aged 66 b.Great Hormead.
>
>
>
>
>
> In 1871
>
> Elizabeth has died ( poss Elizabeth Cat*ley (d1863?)
>
> Charles W
>
> Ann aged 20
>
> Mary aged 18
>
> Sarah aged 13
>
> Rebecca aged 11
>
> Charles aged 9
>
>
>
> In 1880 Ann married Charles Pavyer in Islington
>
> In the 1881 1891 1901 census Sarah is living with the Pavyers.
>
>
>
> I hope this makes sense. Does anybody have anything on these Cat*leys? If
> not I will splash out and get their marriage cert. I have got the childrens
> details from the igi. I also have checked Chris's database but did not find
> anything.
>
>
>
> Best wishes
>
>
>
> Elaine
>
>
>
>
>
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Hi Sharon,
You have got the right family. This tree does belong to the Anstey lot.
Talk soon
Liz
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From: catley(a)rootsweb.com
Date: 11/21/07 23:34:23
To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Clavering Catley's
Hi Liz
I can finally reply to this message of yours as I have today discovered some
information on this which needs to be checked out further before I add it to
the Family Tree Maker database for Herts etc. Catley's!
The Clavering connection could come from James Catley b.1814 the son of
Edward b.1746 Barkway who married Martha Lilly. I have been given
information to suggest that this James, who according to my records died in
1815, in fact died in 1893 in Saffron Walden, Essex and married Hannah aka
Ann nee Chipperfield. They had six children, as you have shown, all born in
Clavering, Essex, although you've got Martha born in Wendon. I haven't yet
checked the births out in any detail. The children were:
Eliza b. 1847
George b. 1849
John b. 1852
Mary Ann b. 1859
Elizabeth A b. 1864
Martha b. 1870
Hope this helps a bit Liz, and I will let you know when I've looked into
this further.
Best wishes,
Sharon
-----Original Message-----
From: catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:catley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
Behalf Of liz cordingley
Sent: 12 October 2007 16:00
To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [CATLEY] Clavering Catley's
Hi All,
Is there anyone who has Catley's that came from Clavering in their tree. I
am looking for James and Hannah
children
Eliza b 1848
George b 1849
John b 1849
Mary Ann b 1859
Elizabeth A b 1864
Martha b 1870 Wendon
Thanks
Liz
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Hello Everybody,
This is to let you know that we are planning to have an informal "Cat*ley get together" in early May next year, near Oxford.
This follows on from the very successful "Three Cat*ley Families" link-up that John Catley and self had with Kay Heath in 2005 when she came over from Australia to do some family research work.
So, Kay is back again in May and will re meet John plus self, only this time Liz Cordingly will be there too and Chris Newall hopes to be able to come along as well.
If there are any other Listers out there who would like to join us, you are most welcome, as we would like to have representation from as many Cat*ley Trees as possible, compare notes and maybe discuss future mutual research strategies?
The venue has been decided upon but the date yet to be determined but is likely to fall within the period 3rd - 10th May.
So, if you would just like to meet some other Catley Listers or maybe discuss Database details or DNA topics you are most welcome to join us.
Once I know the actual date, will let the List know and once you have that, those of you who would like to attend: if you can contact me direct by email, I will give you the venue details.
Look forward to seeing you,
Timcatt
Hi Elaine,
My advice to you is to stick to Liz like glue on this one! She is a demon at
sussing out difficult genealogical problems and as you may already know she
is right in the throws of researching the Anstey line including all the
hitherto possible lateral branches that have been missed off the main Anstey
Parish lineage.
As to Anstey proper is concerned, there was only one Charles Catley b 1823
in the Parish that I am aware of and his parents were James Catley (
1784-1858) m Sarah Fox in 1808.
Some researchers suggest that Charles was not born Anstey at all but at
Meesdon in 1818 and attribute him to Chas and Sarah., however the IGI
certainly shows a Charles b 1823 Anstey son of Chas and Sarah.
However this Chas is listed as marrying twice:
1 to Susan Bentley in 1849
2 to Mary Chapel in 1866.
Can only assume that you have found another Chas because it is improbable
that the Anstey 1823 born Charles could have married Susan Bentley in
1849/Elizabeth Tolfts in 1850/Mary Chapel in 1866!
Having said that (and as an aside) there was an Anstey Catley who married
three times, good old Eli George Catley who has living issue both in the UK
and the USA.
Can you make the Catley meeting in Oxford in May next year?
We are in need of Anstey Tree researchers to join us.
Regards
Timcatt
----- Original Message -----
From: "liz cordingley" <lizcordingley(a)blueyonder.co.uk>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 10:46 PM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Anstey Cat*leys
> Hi Elaine,
> I have found Elizabeth and Walter in Hare Street. I have forwarded a copy
> from Ancestry to you. Going to look for Charles
> Liz
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: catley(a)rootsweb.com
> Date: 11/21/07 20:56:37
> To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: [CATLEY] Anstey Cat*leys
>
> Hi Tim , Sharon and All
>
>
>
> In my efforts on the Anstey tree, I am having trouble finding the parents
of
> a Charles (Chas) Cat*ley.
>
>
>
> Charles b 1823. Married Elizabeth Torfts (Tolfts) 28/9/1850.
>
>
>
> I cannot find them in any census until 1861 where they are living in Hare
> Street Layston.
>
>
>
> Charles m aged 38 b. Anstey
>
> Elizabeth m aged 31 b. Geat Hormead
>
>
>
> Ann D aged 10 b. Great Hormead 1851
>
> Mary D aged 7 b. Great Hormead 1854
>
> Thomas S aged 5 b Great Hormead 1856
>
> Sarah D aged 3 b. Layston 1858
>
> Rebecca D aged 11 mths b Layston 1860
>
> Walter Tolfts S aged 12 Great Hormead
>
> Rebecca Tolfts Mother in law W aged 66 b.Great Hormead.
>
>
>
>
>
> In 1871
>
> Elizabeth has died ( poss Elizabeth Cat*ley (d1863?)
>
> Charles W
>
> Ann aged 20
>
> Mary aged 18
>
> Sarah aged 13
>
> Rebecca aged 11
>
> Charles aged 9
>
>
>
> In 1880 Ann married Charles Pavyer in Islington
>
> In the 1881 1891 1901 census Sarah is living with the Pavyers.
>
>
>
> I hope this makes sense. Does anybody have anything on these Cat*leys? If
> not I will splash out and get their marriage cert. I have got the
childrens
> details from the igi. I also have checked Chris's database but did not
find
> anything.
>
>
>
> Best wishes
>
>
>
> Elaine
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Hi Elaine
This is a good one! Looking at this marriage has been interesting! The
Charles Cat*ley in question appears to have three different spellings (so
far) of his surname. On the IGI he appears as Charles CATTEY and I have
found his marriage, 28 September 1850 at Great Hormead, to Elizabeth Tolfts.
I have discovered the same six children that you have, and also another,
Walter Tolfts, who was born 1849 in Great Hormead.
It appears that this Charles is likely to have been born 1823 and could be
the son of James and Sarah nee Fox. Another Charles Cattley is shown on the
IGI, b.c.1825 and he is shown as marrying Susan Bentley in 1849 but his
father is shown as John Cattley rather than James. There is a lot of
swapping between the single and double 't'.
I will look into this in further depth and get back to you.
Sharon
-----Original Message-----
From: catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:catley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
Behalf Of Elaine Nash
Sent: 21 November 2007 20:35
To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [CATLEY] Anstey Cat*leys
Hi Tim , Sharon and All
In my efforts on the Anstey tree, I am having trouble finding the parents of
a Charles (Chas) Cat*ley.
Charles b 1823. Married Elizabeth Torfts (Tolfts) 28/9/1850.
I cannot find them in any census until 1861 where they are living in Hare
Street Layston.
Charles m aged 38 b. Anstey
Elizabeth m aged 31 b. Geat Hormead
Ann D aged 10 b. Great Hormead 1851
Mary D aged 7 b. Great Hormead 1854
Thomas S aged 5 b Great Hormead 1856
Sarah D aged 3 b. Layston 1858
Rebecca D aged 11 mths b Layston 1860
Walter Tolfts S aged 12 Great Hormead
Rebecca Tolfts Mother in law W aged 66 b.Great Hormead.
In 1871
Elizabeth has died ( poss Elizabeth Cat*ley (d1863?)
Charles W
Ann aged 20
Mary aged 18
Sarah aged 13
Rebecca aged 11
Charles aged 9
In 1880 Ann married Charles Pavyer in Islington
In the 1881 1891 1901 census Sarah is living with the Pavyers.
I hope this makes sense. Does anybody have anything on these Cat*leys? If
not I will splash out and get their marriage cert. I have got the childrens
details from the igi. I also have checked Chris's database but did not find
anything.
Best wishes
Elaine
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Hi Elaine,
I have found Elizabeth and Walter in Hare Street. I have forwarded a copy
from Ancestry to you. Going to look for Charles
Liz
-------Original Message-------
From: catley(a)rootsweb.com
Date: 11/21/07 20:56:37
To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [CATLEY] Anstey Cat*leys
Hi Tim , Sharon and All
In my efforts on the Anstey tree, I am having trouble finding the parents of
a Charles (Chas) Cat*ley.
Charles b 1823. Married Elizabeth Torfts (Tolfts) 28/9/1850.
I cannot find them in any census until 1861 where they are living in Hare
Street Layston.
Charles m aged 38 b. Anstey
Elizabeth m aged 31 b. Geat Hormead
Ann D aged 10 b. Great Hormead 1851
Mary D aged 7 b. Great Hormead 1854
Thomas S aged 5 b Great Hormead 1856
Sarah D aged 3 b. Layston 1858
Rebecca D aged 11 mths b Layston 1860
Walter Tolfts S aged 12 Great Hormead
Rebecca Tolfts Mother in law W aged 66 b.Great Hormead.
In 1871
Elizabeth has died ( poss Elizabeth Cat*ley (d1863?)
Charles W
Ann aged 20
Mary aged 18
Sarah aged 13
Rebecca aged 11
Charles aged 9
In 1880 Ann married Charles Pavyer in Islington
In the 1881 1891 1901 census Sarah is living with the Pavyers.
I hope this makes sense. Does anybody have anything on these Cat*leys? If
not I will splash out and get their marriage cert. I have got the childrens
details from the igi. I also have checked Chris's database but did not find
anything.
Best wishes
Elaine
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Hi Liz
I can finally reply to this message of yours as I have today discovered some
information on this which needs to be checked out further before I add it to
the Family Tree Maker database for Herts etc. Catley's!
The Clavering connection could come from James Catley b.1814 the son of
Edward b.1746 Barkway who married Martha Lilly. I have been given
information to suggest that this James, who according to my records died in
1815, in fact died in 1893 in Saffron Walden, Essex and married Hannah aka
Ann nee Chipperfield. They had six children, as you have shown, all born in
Clavering, Essex, although you've got Martha born in Wendon. I haven't yet
checked the births out in any detail. The children were:
Eliza b. 1847
George b. 1849
John b. 1852
Mary Ann b. 1859
Elizabeth A b. 1864
Martha b. 1870
Hope this helps a bit Liz, and I will let you know when I've looked into
this further.
Best wishes,
Sharon
-----Original Message-----
From: catley-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:catley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
Behalf Of liz cordingley
Sent: 12 October 2007 16:00
To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [CATLEY] Clavering Catley's
Hi All,
Is there anyone who has Catley's that came from Clavering in their tree. I
am looking for James and Hannah
children
Eliza b 1848
George b 1849
John b 1849
Mary Ann b 1859
Elizabeth A b 1864
Martha b 1870 Wendon
Thanks
Liz
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Hi Tim , Sharon and All
In my efforts on the Anstey tree, I am having trouble finding the parents of
a Charles (Chas) Cat*ley.
Charles b 1823. Married Elizabeth Torfts (Tolfts) 28/9/1850.
I cannot find them in any census until 1861 where they are living in Hare
Street Layston.
Charles m aged 38 b. Anstey
Elizabeth m aged 31 b. Geat Hormead
Ann D aged 10 b. Great Hormead 1851
Mary D aged 7 b. Great Hormead 1854
Thomas S aged 5 b Great Hormead 1856
Sarah D aged 3 b. Layston 1858
Rebecca D aged 11 mths b Layston 1860
Walter Tolfts S aged 12 Great Hormead
Rebecca Tolfts Mother in law W aged 66 b.Great Hormead.
In 1871
Elizabeth has died ( poss Elizabeth Cat*ley (d1863?)
Charles W
Ann aged 20
Mary aged 18
Sarah aged 13
Rebecca aged 11
Charles aged 9
In 1880 Ann married Charles Pavyer in Islington
In the 1881 1891 1901 census Sarah is living with the Pavyers.
I hope this makes sense. Does anybody have anything on these Cat*leys? If
not I will splash out and get their marriage cert. I have got the childrens
details from the igi. I also have checked Chris's database but did not find
anything.
Best wishes
Elaine
Hi David,
Guess what?
Whilst hunting my Catley paper archives for information on a Dan Catley d
1779.... watch and clock maker, I stumbled upon your copy of the Sawston
Surnames by Rev Ronald Bircham (1977) which you so kindly sent to me from
Huntly some time ago now.
A quick check of this, against The CatleyDatabase, indicates that not all
entries by Bircham are included; were you "selective" when you submitted
stuff to Chris.N?
Given the extra interest shown by Liz.C and the consequnt additional
research going on concerning the Cambs/Herts/Essex Catleys, it seems a good
idea to do the additional extractions.
Would you object if I did a study and extraction and sent the results to
both Liz and Chris?
Regards
Timcatt
----- Original Message -----
From: "David BARKER" <davidwbarker(a)wanadoo.fr>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 12:55 AM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Cambridgeshire/Hertfordshire
> Hi Tim ,
> re Sawston surnames . I consulted it in Cambridge city record office .It
is in fact a very rare slim volume ,
> being privately published by the then vicar of Sawston he having extracted
and collated the information from
> his parish registers and parish chest papers.You are unlikely to find a
copy elsewher except maybe the british
> museum library or perhaps Cambridge University Library might have a copy
> Regards Dave Barker
>
>
>
>
>
> > Message du 15/10/07 15:14
> > De : "Tim Cattley"
> > A : catley(a)rootsweb.com
> > Copie à :
> > Objet : Re: [CATLEY] Cambridgeshire/Hertfordshire
> >
> > Liz you are a hero!
> >
> > But then I know you just love a genealogical challenge and the
> > Herts/Cambs/Essex Cat*leys are proving to be just that, as expected.
> >
> > The job is made harder by the fact that the geographical area in
question
> > falls within the boundaries of the three Counties of Hertfordshire,
> > Cambridgeshire and Essex.
> >
> > Whilst Liz has set the Eastern limit as the M11 motorway, I think it
highly
> > possible that there will be genealogical links "off limits" ie with
Saffron
> > Walden, Essex and Sawston, Cambridgeshire which are only a few miles
further
> > East.
> >
> > What could be of immense help long term, would be a copy of the work by
> > R.Bircham which goes under the title:-
> >
> >
> > "Sawston Surnames by Rev'd Canon Ronald Bircham"
> >
> > Someone on the List must have a copy of this because most of you will
> > already have seen in Chris' Catley Database that some of the entries
from
> > this work are already written up in it?
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Tim
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "liz cordingley"
> > To:
> > Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 10:44 PM
> > Subject: [CATLEY] Cambridgeshire/Hertfordshire
> >
> >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > For those of you that don't know I have been looking at the
> > > Anstey/Cambridge trees. To see if there are any links.
> > >
> > > For those of you with access to a map of the area. I am looking at all
the
> > > villages between the A10 and M11 from the A120 northwards towards
> > Cambridge.
> > > I note that Clavering is a stone throw from Meedsen and Anstey but it
is
> > in
> > > Essex.
> > >
> > > If anybody has any info on the families from this area can you please
pass
> > > my way, apart from the info Tim has sent me.
> > >
> > > I will be taking a break and going back to India at the British Lib.
> > before
> > > I go on my hols, so hope to meet up with Nigel again next week.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Liz
> > >
> > >
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Thanks, this is Bernie Catley in Perth
I thought my brother had changed is address again.....
How's it going over there in our mother land???
----- Original Message -----
From: John Catley
To: catley(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 10:00 PM
Subject: [CATLEY] New email address
I have managed to retain my email address for a number of years, however I now have a problem.
I have been without email since the beginning of November and Supanet have been trying to correct the problem. I have just received a message from their support people suggesting that I open another account; and so I have. Please ammend your records to jcatley(a)hotmail.co.uk
If it is possible to resend any November messages it would be great.
Regards
John one T
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FYI -See copy of e-mail to Liz Cordingley and others -exclusing
attachments
Liz-
having discovered that the military records at the BL only covered the
East India Company Army, and that all the British Army records are at
the National Archives , I visited the NA last week, as promised, to
follow up the military records of those Butterfield and Catley men who
we know served with the British Army in India in the nineteenth
century.
The problem is that the Army only retained the detailed records of
soldiers if they were properly discharged and ended up drawing a
pension. Records for anyone who died in service or did not qualify for a
pension are therefore limited.
I was however able to find the muster roll of the HM 4th Foot dated 28
Feb 1842 (Original Document) - which records Private Thomas Pratt
(b1811 and future husband of Charlotte Bunyan and posthumous father of
Thomas Pratt Catley) The information given is very limited but does
show that he enlisted in Southampton on 2nd November 1841, and had been
in hospital the week prior to the roll call. It is interesting that the
regimental muster roll shows him as a private, whereas his marriage
registration (21 Sep 1842 ) describes him as a Sergeant , and his burial
record 13 Oct 1843 as a lance Sergeant. This would be very quick
promotion but as he was in his early 30s he would be significantly older
than his peers and may have been fast tracked.
I struck gold however with Leonard Catley and was able to locate his
discharge papers (original docs) dated 7 January 1861 which include some
personal information and his service record.
Leonard was the patriarch of the Catleys in India and you will recall
you had discovered a strong link for him to Glynis Brown’s Midsomer
Norton Catleys as son of Thomas Catley and Hester Tovey. I think this
document provides strong confirmation.
I was able to take a photocopy of the four page document at NA and
attach jpg scans of this. I only have a basic scanner and as the
originals were larger than A4 I have had to chop off top and bottom,
also as this is a scan of a photocopy of a faded handwritten document,
the quality is not great - however the key points are-
No 3739 Private Leonard Catley, by trade a labourer was born in the
parish of Philips Norton* near Bath in the county of Somerset and was
attested for the Fourth Regiment of Foot at Bristol on 23 October 1839
at age of 18 11/12 years [ie born Sept 1820]. Up to his discharge he had
served 21 years/ 101 days in the army of which 20years/183 days were in
the ‘East Indies’. His discharge was medical- unfit for further
service.
Of his conduct it notes - his conduct has been very good and he has
four good conduct badges. He has never been court marshalled or entered
in the regimental defaulter’s book.
His pay records show that he was with the 4th Foot between 23 October
1839 and 31 October 1847, transferring to 25th Foot (Kings own
Borderers) on 1 Nov 1847 and again to 74th Foot (Highlanders) on 1
March 1855. He was a Private throughout,
* Philips Norton or Norton St. Philip as it is now called is about 7
or 8 miles from Midsomer Norton.
His physical description at discharge is Age 40 10/12 yrs, Height 5ft
5in , Complexion -fresh, eyes grey, hair brown, trade labourer, no
marks or scars. Intended place of residence - Ootacamund. [we know that
Leonard subsequently joined the staff of Lawrence Asylum in Ootacamund.
He joined as Sergeant in 1860 and progressed through Sergeant Major and
Quartermaster Sergeant to Dr Mr Sergeant. He retired as a Queens
Pensioner c1866/7.Lawrence Asylum later became the public school -
Lawrence School ]
Finaly the medical report is almost unreadable - my best translation is
“ The nature of the disability loss of free motion of the left arm the
consequence of his accident off duty. This has not been aggravated by **
for**.”
Leonard's age and birthplace -( along with what we already knew - that
his grandson Ernest is shown in the 1881UK Census as a 7 year old boy
staying in Hammersmith ( 23, Parade), with his (second ) cousins John
and Hephzibah Hutton (nee Catley) daughter of Leonard's elder brother
William.) - provide pretty convincing evidence of the connection.
Nigel
PS I have copied this to interested parties , but not to the Catley
forum address which does not accept attachments. I will send a seperate
copy without attachments to the forum
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